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Post by robl on Feb 1, 2021 13:40:50 GMT -5
Kwity Paye makes sense for us at 11. Another huge strong bull rusher to complement Williams and I think our defense gets really nasty.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 1, 2021 13:59:08 GMT -5
I don't trust Michigan guys. They never beat the teams that matter. He might be a another Taco Sauce Charlton. That dude didn't even play out his rookie deal as a first rounder. smh..
If we draft back and get him, I'm all for it...but not at 11. He's not going to have the pass rush impact we need. Not a 3rd down DE yet.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 1, 2021 14:04:39 GMT -5
Terrible idea
Square peg in round hole and no production last year ..
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Post by fifthavephil on Feb 1, 2021 14:09:06 GMT -5
Kwity Paye makes sense for us at 11. Another huge strong bull rusher to complement Williams and I think our defense gets really nasty. Is, he a mean Kitty ? |
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Post by Kase1 on Feb 1, 2021 14:17:04 GMT -5
Not a fan at all. If we picked him it might be 1 of my least favorite outcomes. This is NOT the year for a pass rusher in the 1st round
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 1, 2021 15:17:24 GMT -5
If we took him over Waddle or Pitts, I'd be pretty pissed.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 1, 2021 15:45:05 GMT -5
If we took him over Waddle or Pitts, I'd be pretty pissed. Trust me there are fans that want this |
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 1, 2021 16:33:06 GMT -5
we need more pass rush help but not this guy as a first round pick, WR first and pass rush second...
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 1, 2021 17:38:12 GMT -5
If you check Bucky Brooks first mock on NFL.com, he has Waddle going to Detroit at 7, and us taking Rousseau, all with Devonte Smith on the board. He doesn't have Smith going until 16 (he has the Eagles taking Pitts at 6, and the Phins taking Chase at 3). The boards would be interesting on draft night if that occurs.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 1, 2021 17:44:17 GMT -5
No thanks no production in college isn't a good sign first round picks shouldn't be developmental picks. This should be a guy who comes in and plays and produces at least a moderate level with room to grow. If the big 4 our weapons are gone Parsons maybe one of the tackles even the Pass rusher from Miami Rousse can't spelt lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 18:45:57 GMT -5
If you check Bucky Brooks first mock on NFL.com, he has Waddle going to Detroit at 7, and us taking Rousseau, all with Devonte Smith on the board. He doesn't have Smith going until 16 (he has the Eagles taking Pitts at 6, and the Phins taking Chase at 3). The boards would be interesting on draft night if that occurs. It's his frame...skinny, and speed of the 40. He and DJ both feel you can get a WR1 or 1A in the second round, and taking any that don't look the part (size such as Calvin Johnson ect) in the top 10 is not positional value. Both have said they would take any OT over a smaller WR in the first due to that positional value. IOW, according to two well respected scouts...it's possible Smith slips to the Giants, and even past... especially with what I believe... 4 QB's, maybe 5 (Mac Jones is rising), being top 10.  Tee Higgins Michael Pittman Jr. Laviska Shenault K. J. Hamler Chase Claypool Van Jefferson Denzel Mims Last years 2nd round class of wide receivers...hell of a haul |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 1, 2021 18:52:29 GMT -5
If you check Bucky Brooks first mock on NFL.com, he has Waddle going to Detroit at 7, and us taking Rousseau, all with Devonte Smith on the board. He doesn't have Smith going until 16 (he has the Eagles taking Pitts at 6, and the Phins taking Chase at 3). The boards would be interesting on draft night if that occurs. The geritol addicted fogies that can't grasp that the game has changed will all have baby boners and a mass masturbatuon fest. us knowledgeable and knowing will be rightfully pissed. Smith is legit |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 1, 2021 18:58:02 GMT -5
If you check Bucky Brooks first mock on NFL.com, he has Waddle going to Detroit at 7, and us taking Rousseau, all with Devonte Smith on the board. He doesn't have Smith going until 16 (he has the Eagles taking Pitts at 6, and the Phins taking Chase at 3). The boards would be interesting on draft night if that occurs. It's his frame...skinny, and speed of the 40. He and DJ both feel you can get a WR1 or 1A in the second round, and taking any that don't look the part (size such as Calvin Johnson ect) in the top 10 is not positional value. Both have said they would take any OT over a smaller WR in the first due to that positional value. IOW, according to two well respected scouts...it's possible Smith slips to the Giants, and even past... especially with what I believe... 4 QB's, maybe 5 (Mac Jones is rising), being top 10. Tee Higgins Michael Pittman Jr. Laviska Shenault K. J. Hamler Chase Claypool Van Jefferson Denzel Mims Last years 2nd round class of wide receivers...hell of a haul People who are stuck on only big guys .. I fear Gettleman with his history and seeing 2 slugs taken earl6(Benjamin and Funchess).. We both know the modern game is based on speed and athletic ability to stress defenses all over the field Smith is much faster than People think,he took over games.. Both those guys are clueless |
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Feb 1, 2021 18:58:04 GMT -5
Does not seem like pass rusher is addressable in the first round this year. Roussoue looks interesting but I don't know if he is a fit for us
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 1, 2021 18:58:53 GMT -5
Does not seem like pass rusher is addressable in the first round this year. Roussoue looks interesting but I don't know if he is a fit for us Very high risk ...high ceiling very low floor Hard pass |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 19:24:08 GMT -5
It's his frame...skinny, and speed of the 40. He and DJ both feel you can get a WR1 or 1A in the second round, and taking any that don't look the part (size such as Calvin Johnson ect) in the top 10 is not positional value. Both have said they would take any OT over a smaller WR in the first due to that positional value. IOW, according to two well respected scouts...it's possible Smith slips to the Giants, and even past... especially with what I believe... 4 QB's, maybe 5 (Mac Jones is rising), being top 10. Tee Higgins Michael Pittman Jr. Laviska Shenault K. J. Hamler Chase Claypool Van Jefferson Denzel Mims Last years 2nd round class of wide receivers...hell of a haul People who are stuck on only big guys .. I fear Gettleman with his history and seeing 2 slugs taken earl6(Benjamin and Funchess).. We both know the modern game is based on speed and athletic ability to stress defenses all over the field Smith is much faster than People think,he took over games.. Both those guys are clueless I don't believe they were talking slugs...just a guy with the size, speed and route running...more a knock on the frame of Smith, who is indeed skinny. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 1, 2021 19:50:59 GMT -5
I don't trust Michigan guys. They never beat the teams that matter. He might be a another Taco Sauce Charlton. That dude didn't even play out his rookie deal as a first rounder. smh.. If we draft back and get him, I'm all for it...but not at 11. He's not going to have the pass rush impact we need. Not a 3rd down DE yet. Yeah. That Tom Brady guy sucks. That said, I agree with your analysis on this guy. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Feb 1, 2021 20:59:00 GMT -5
You may want to rethink this one.
I’m a Michigan fan. I’ve watched every one of his games. I don’t believe he’s done much of anything vs the better teams we play. He’s usually held in check. He is not a dominant pass rusher - not even close.
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Post by Kase1 on Feb 2, 2021 11:06:39 GMT -5
Does not seem like pass rusher is addressable in the first round this year. Roussoue looks interesting but I don't know if he is a fit for us I dont want ANYTHING to do with Rousseau or Paye or really ANY pass rusher in the 1st. Really the only pass rushers I want at this point are Hamilcar Rashed or Pat Jones both are 2nd round picks at best. This is NOT the year to need a pass rusher |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 2, 2021 11:43:08 GMT -5
If you check Bucky Brooks first mock on NFL.com, he has Waddle going to Detroit at 7, and us taking Rousseau, all with Devonte Smith on the board. He doesn't have Smith going until 16 (he has the Eagles taking Pitts at 6, and the Phins taking Chase at 3). The boards would be interesting on draft night if that occurs. I seen the Bucky Brooks mock draft on the NFL channel. I know they make like 5 or 6 mock drafts and make picks for controversy but he did surprise me where he let some people fall.
Us getting Rousseau didn't really surprise me with the DB's Surtain and Farley going at #9 and #10. 3 defensive guys in a row but I think that would only happen if the Eagles take Smith at #6. Bucky had Smith going at #15 or #16. I don't see Waddle going before Smith. Because of Waddle's injured ankle I guess I just didn't see him enough to appreciate him. So maybe I'm out of bounds in my thinking.
I think the Lions would take Smith since they have their QB from the trade if the Eagles go Pitts. So with Chase, Smith, and Pitts already gone plus the 2 top CB's I could see going for the pass rush over Waddle. But for the life of me if Smith is sitting there at #11 I don't see how he can get past us.
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 2, 2021 12:40:53 GMT -5
If you check Bucky Brooks first mock on NFL.com, he has Waddle going to Detroit at 7, and us taking Rousseau, all with Devonte Smith on the board. He doesn't have Smith going until 16 (he has the Eagles taking Pitts at 6, and the Phins taking Chase at 3). The boards would be interesting on draft night if that occurs. I seen the Bucky Brooks mock draft on the NFL channel. I know they make like 5 or 6 mock drafts and make picks for controversy but he did surprise me where he let some people fall.
Us getting Rousseau didn't really surprise me with the DB's Surtain and Farley going at #9 and #10. 3 defensive guys in a row but I think that would only happen if the Eagles take Smith at #6. Bucky had Smith going at #15 or #16. I don't see Waddle going before Smith. Because of Waddle's injured ankle I guess I just didn't see him enough to appreciate him. So maybe I'm out of bounds in my thinking.
I think the Lions would take Smith since they have their QB from the trade if the Eagles go Pitts. So with Chase, Smith, and Pitts already gone plus the 2 top CB's I could see going for the pass rush over Waddle. But for the life of me if Smith is sitting there at #11 I don't see how he can get past us.
I agree with you on Smith over Waddle, and if Waddle looks recovered during his pro-day, I'd be surprised if we passed over him as well. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 2, 2021 14:52:49 GMT -5
I don't trust Michigan guys. They never beat the teams that matter. He might be a another Taco Sauce Charlton. That dude didn't even play out his rookie deal as a first rounder. smh.. If we draft back and get him, I'm all for it...but not at 11. He's not going to have the pass rush impact we need. Not a 3rd down DE yet. Yeah. That Tom Brady guy sucks. That said, I agree with your analysis on this guy. Brady had a better coach |
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 2, 2021 17:03:37 GMT -5
If you check Bucky Brooks first mock on NFL.com, he has Waddle going to Detroit at 7, and us taking Rousseau, all with Devonte Smith on the board. He doesn't have Smith going until 16 (he has the Eagles taking Pitts at 6, and the Phins taking Chase at 3). The boards would be interesting on draft night if that occurs. The geritol addicted fogies that can't grasp that the game has changed will all have baby boners and a mass masturbatuon fest. us knowledgeable and knowing will be rightfully pissed. Smith is legit thats amazing... |
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Feb 2, 2021 18:11:58 GMT -5
Does not seem like pass rusher is addressable in the first round this year. Roussoue looks interesting but I don't know if he is a fit for us I dont want ANYTHING to do with Rousseau or Paye or really ANY pass rusher in the 1st. Really the only pass rushers I want at this point are Hamilcar Rashed or Pat Jones both are 2nd round picks at best. This is NOT the year to need a pass rusher I didn't see the senior bowl, how did Rashed play? |
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 2, 2021 20:45:43 GMT -5
I've seen this kid mocked to us quite a bit. I don't know much about him, but his production seems limited based on the notes I've read and he seems to be "full of potential." Players that have tons of potential but haven't produced on the field rarely seem to pan out.
Parsons would be the only defender I'd want in Rd1 at this time. However, after researching his off-field issues, I wouldn't want him either if the allegations against him and his teammates have a spec of truth to them. Nothing seems to have come of the allegations, but they're f*****g weird.
To me, the majority of value at #11 will be on the offensive side of the ball. We should have our choice between a top notch OL or WR, and potentially TE if we want another receiving TE who apparently "is willing to block."
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 2, 2021 20:51:48 GMT -5
I've seen this kid mocked to us quite a bit. I don't know much about him, but his production seems limited based on the notes I've read and he seems to be "full of potential." Players that have tons of potential but haven't produced on the field rarely seem to pan out. Parsons would be the only defender I'd want in Rd1 at this time. However, after researching his off-field issues, I wouldn't want him either if the allegations against him and his teammates have a spec of truth to them. Nothing seems to have come of the allegations, but they're f*****g weird. To me, the majority of value at #11 will be on the offensive side of the ball. We should have our choice between a top notch OL or WR, and potentially TE if we want another receiving TE who apparently "is willing to block." Honestly if the 3 recievers and Pitts are gone and no other WR has made a jump (of course who knows how team's boards will look this year,we will see Kiper have multiple melt downs because his board will look nothing like how the draft goes even moreso this year) Get an o lineman and grab your playmakers day 2 Even if they are iffy at T ....move the guy inside... |
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 2, 2021 20:58:29 GMT -5
I've seen this kid mocked to us quite a bit. I don't know much about him, but his production seems limited based on the notes I've read and he seems to be "full of potential." Players that have tons of potential but haven't produced on the field rarely seem to pan out. Parsons would be the only defender I'd want in Rd1 at this time. However, after researching his off-field issues, I wouldn't want him either if the allegations against him and his teammates have a spec of truth to them. Nothing seems to have come of the allegations, but they're f*****g weird. To me, the majority of value at #11 will be on the offensive side of the ball. We should have our choice between a top notch OL or WR, and potentially TE if we want another receiving TE who apparently "is willing to block." Honestly if the 3 recievers and Pitts are gone and no other WR has made a jump (of course who knows how team's boards will look this year,we will see Kiper have multiple melt downs because his board will look nothing like how the draft goes even moreso this year) Get an o lineman and grab your playmakers day 2 Even if they are iffy at T ....move the guy inside... I'm never upset with OL and Front 7 picks. I do think at least Waddle will be available, but even if he is I'm not sold on him at this point. If a top notch OL falls to 11, and the choice was between him and Waddle, I don't know who I'd want. The idea of a Waddle type player is exciting, but speed reliant WR's don't always translate to the NFL. Especially after breaking an ankle. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 3, 2021 7:34:49 GMT -5
I would think that if all 3 top receivers and Pitts are all off the boards when we pick, that PS II will still be there. I'd take him over any OL not named Penei, who I also think will be long gone. I think Pitts vs PS II is a tough debate.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 3, 2021 8:13:50 GMT -5
I've seen this kid mocked to us quite a bit. I don't know much about him, but his production seems limited based on the notes I've read and he seems to be "full of potential." Players that have tons of potential but haven't produced on the field rarely seem to pan out. Parsons would be the only defender I'd want in Rd1 at this time. However, after researching his off-field issues, I wouldn't want him either if the allegations against him and his teammates have a spec of truth to them. Nothing seems to have come of the allegations, but they're f*****g weird. To me, the majority of value at #11 will be on the offensive side of the ball. We should have our choice between a top notch OL or WR, and potentially TE if we want another receiving TE who apparently "is willing to block." We have “Coach Chaos” on the coaching staff who was actually on the PSU staff during Parsons’ final season (he opted out this year). We should have a really good handle on his off-field issues, if any .... |
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 3, 2021 9:45:31 GMT -5
I've seen this kid mocked to us quite a bit. I don't know much about him, but his production seems limited based on the notes I've read and he seems to be "full of potential." Players that have tons of potential but haven't produced on the field rarely seem to pan out. Parsons would be the only defender I'd want in Rd1 at this time. However, after researching his off-field issues, I wouldn't want him either if the allegations against him and his teammates have a spec of truth to them. Nothing seems to have come of the allegations, but they're f*****g weird. To me, the majority of value at #11 will be on the offensive side of the ball. We should have our choice between a top notch OL or WR, and potentially TE if we want another receiving TE who apparently "is willing to block." We have “Coach Chaos” on the coaching staff who was actually on the PSU staff during Parsons’ final season (he opted out this year). We should have a really good handle on his off-field issues, if any .... Oh, nice! I didn't realize that, good point. Parsons' profile makes him sound like the missing piece to our Front 7. While CB2 is another big need for us, I think another bonafide LB to compliment the current group we have up front would have the biggest impact. On a side note, players who opted out in 2020 do make me nervous. We already see plenty of soft tissue injuries each off-season, particularly with rookies. The fact there are so many players who haven't moved at game speed in over a year, I'd expect there to be an uptick in these types of injuries. Of the players realistically projected to be there at #11, I'm starting to gravitate towards Parsons and Pitts (TE-UF). Since Pitts played in 2020 and seems to be a bit of a unicorn type player, I think he has the edge at the moment......this will inevitably change by lunch time today. For  , I'd love to see do something like this in the first 4 rounds.... 1- Pitts - TE 2- Horn - CB (Love what I'm reading about him) 3- Jones ll - OLB 4- Eskridge - WR/Return If we keep our DL intact, and perhaps add a WR in FA, I think this would set us up nicely for 2021. |
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, I'd love to see do something like this in the first 4 rounds....