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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 4:51:25 GMT -5
From a draft site that also has top scouts - yes, those boring guys who happen to be the most important aspect of any football game or team These guys will be playing in the NFL and taken quickly...well, day 1 and 2
Penei SewellI can't say this enough. This 20 year old phenom is the Quenton Nelson of the tackle class. You want a guy who can gap and zone?...like Nelson? and do it at all pro levels? This guy is a no brainer first guy taken not named QB. Rashawn Slater
Pro bowl player day 1. Who can get around those quick feet? Christian Darrisaw
Watch his punch... Teven JenkinsA rag dolling right tackle ... amazing block Dillon RadunzOh, this guy will be a first rounder...tape does not lie, and he solidified his talent at the senior bowl. Sam Cosmi
2nd best feet and mirroring ability in this draft...here he shows off the wheels for a ...yes, TD In case you forget he is a after whistle mauler as well...this is when we start seeing some technical issues in players and they slide to rounds 2-4...then becomes a question can they improve and are they easily coached...what's their athletic limits. He was a favorite of some here last year, before staying in school. Pass sets are brilliant Jackson CarmanInjuries for this Clemson stud...could be a pro bowl player once he gets back to learning...the athletic toolbox is just needs tweaking Walker Little
Stanford stud...hopefully Coach Shaw can bring some insight if he visits the NFL Network coverage once again Liam Eichenberg
Might be the most technical guy of the group, but his athletic abilities will limit his ceiling Alex Leatherwood
He's a guard, which I will do the IOL in another thread. He reminds me of Flowers, to a T...he gets toasted on pure pass sets so consistently outside it is almost embarrassing to watch. Yet, at guard and less space he could be a pro bowl player. Like the cornerback, these tackles are on Islands many times...takes a while to translate to NFL speed...Leatherwood will be out of the league if he plays tackle in the NFL IMHO...unless some brilliant coach can fix that soft outside leg...this is a high school habit that should have been corrected back then.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2021 10:38:51 GMT -5
Supposedly Leatherwood refused to practice at G during senior bowl week
If that's true
Off my board till the 6th round
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 21, 2021 14:21:45 GMT -5
Those blocks by the kid from Ok St. have me sold.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 21, 2021 14:34:12 GMT -5
Nice job aris enjoyed watching the clips. That Penei Sewell is a machine. Looks like another Jonathon Ogden to me. I think he goes to Cinnci with the #5 pick. Sewell keeps Burrows alive and from a career ruined by injury.
Miami at #3 should go Chase. And Atlanta at #4 God knows what their doing. Most think QB. Probably Fields or Wilson, whichever one the jets leave behind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 14:58:55 GMT -5
Nice job aris enjoyed watching the clips. That Penei Sewell is a machine. Looks like another Jonathon Ogden to me. I think he goes to Cinnci with the #5 pick. Sewell keeps Burrows alive and from a career ruined by injury. Miami at #3 should go Chase. And Atlanta at #4 God knows what their doing. Most think QB. Probably Fields or Wilson, whichever one the jets leave behind. I do believe Peart will be a starting RT for us....and Thomas is fine. I will have no issues however taking Slater at 1 if no WR...guard or tackle...he's a player. Sewell is still 20 years old, that's amazing...he's an athletic freak already with pinpoint technique from high school ...and his ability to zone block on the outside so well can open up so many more plays for an OC. I guess I'm kind of weird watching how the engine works to win those races for the drivers. Yeah, the draft starts with the Jets. If they are solid with Darnold going forward, they should be listening to the phone ring, many times. I'm starting to believe they passed up Marino again for Ken O'Brien though as Josh Allen torments them (not that O'Brien was a horrible QB)...gotta get that QB right, so they just might take the next best one as Darnold is not even O'Brien.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 21, 2021 15:11:28 GMT -5
Nice job aris enjoyed watching the clips. That Penei Sewell is a machine. Looks like another Jonathon Ogden to me. I think he goes to Cinnci with the #5 pick. Sewell keeps Burrows alive and from a career ruined by injury. Miami at #3 should go Chase. And Atlanta at #4 God knows what their doing. Most think QB. Probably Fields or Wilson, whichever one the jets leave behind. I do believe Peart will be a starting RT for us....and Thomas is fine. I will have no issues however taking Slater at 1 if no WR...guard or tackle...he's a player. Sewell is still 20 years old, that's amazing...he's an athletic freak already with pinpoint technique from high school ...and his ability to zone block on the outside so well can open up so many more plays for an OC. I guess I'm kind of weird watching how the engine works to win those races for the drivers. Yeah, the draft starts with the Jets. If they are solid with Darnold going forward, they should be listening to the phone ring, many times. I'm starting to believe they passed up Marino again for Ken O'Brien though as Josh Allen torments them (not that O'Brien was a horrible QB)...gotta get that QB right, so they just might take the next best one as Darnold is not even O'Brien. I am looking forward to the RT battle for our starter. At this point I believe both Solder and Fleming are with us. I think. Sewell is going to be great from the moment he signs his contract. And as far as the Jetsies they are in such great position to go whatever direction they wish. If they believe in Darnell like you said they're going to get 2-3 1st rd picks maybe 1-2 2nd rd picks to move back from #2. They already have 2 1st rd picks for the next 2 years from the jamal Adams trade. Plus 2 3rd rd picks this year. Their rebuild could be amazing.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2021 15:53:39 GMT -5
Nice job aris enjoyed watching the clips. That Penei Sewell is a machine. Looks like another Jonathon Ogden to me. I think he goes to Cinnci with the #5 pick. Sewell keeps Burrows alive and from a career ruined by injury. Miami at #3 should go Chase. And Atlanta at #4 God knows what their doing. Most think QB. Probably Fields or Wilson, whichever one the jets leave behind. I do believe Peart will be a starting RT for us....and Thomas is fine. I will have no issues however taking Slater at 1 if no WR...guard or tackle...he's a player. Sewell is still 20 years old, that's amazing...he's an athletic freak already with pinpoint technique from high school ...and his ability to zone block on the outside so well can open up so many more plays for an OC. I guess I'm kind of weird watching how the engine works to win those races for the drivers. Yeah, the draft starts with the Jets. If they are solid with Darnold going forward, they should be listening to the phone ring, many times. I'm starting to believe they passed up Marino again for Ken O'Brien though as Josh Allen torments them (not that O'Brien was a horrible QB)...gotta get that QB right, so they just might take the next best one as Darnold is not even O'Brien. Honestly...maybe I'm being a wweeeeeeee bit picky here I'd prefer to draft an OT that has good tackle experience but will be a much better guard at this level. 1 gives Peart competition for the starting job as you really don't want to hand a guy a starting job(like you I think tbe job is his and he will be really good) 2.still having PTSD symptoms watching Mahomes in my sleep because Remmers and a practice squad T were his starting OTs in the super bowl We now have depth to move the G/T over and hopefully we have a league average functional swing T as well.. Why I'm so high on Slater,Trey Smitb...ect and why I'm usually drafting these types in my mocks
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 21, 2021 20:27:22 GMT -5
Also Speaking of PTDS symptoms I'm wondering if we will see a league wide overreaction post suoer bowl witb teams overdrafting every spot on the o line early to ensure the drop off isn't as catastrophic between starter and backup like we saw on the Chiefs This actually was the first time since the cap era started where a team was forced in a huge game to have yo basically find someone off the street to start at OT in January/February.. Pre cap teams could hoard O lineman..teams would have guys that probably would be above average starters in 2020 sitting on the bench for years as backups
One of my draft themes is possibly watch an insane run on o linemen starting around pick 20 with playoff teams to make sure they have depth
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 22, 2021 7:38:47 GMT -5
Also Speaking of PTDS symptoms I'm wondering if we will see a league wide overreaction post suoer bowl witb teams overdrafting every spot on the o line early to ensure the drop off isn't as catastrophic between starter and backup like we saw on the Chiefs This actually was the first time since the cap era started where a team was forced in a huge game to have yo basically find someone off the street to start at OT in January/February.. Pre cap teams could hoard O lineman..teams would have guys that probably would be above average starters in 2020 sitting on the bench for years as backups One of my draft themes is possibly watch an insane run on o linemen starting around pick 20 with playoff teams to make sure they have depth Even modern football is won in the trenches, so I'm not sure insuring line stability would count as overdrafting.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 22, 2021 9:22:25 GMT -5
Also Speaking of PTDS symptoms I'm wondering if we will see a league wide overreaction post suoer bowl witb teams overdrafting every spot on the o line early to ensure the drop off isn't as catastrophic between starter and backup like we saw on the Chiefs This actually was the first time since the cap era started where a team was forced in a huge game to have yo basically find someone off the street to start at OT in January/February.. Pre cap teams could hoard O lineman..teams would have guys that probably would be above average starters in 2020 sitting on the bench for years as backups One of my draft themes is possibly watch an insane run on o linemen starting around pick 20 with playoff teams to make sure they have depth Even modern football is won in the trenches, so I'm not sure insuring line stability would count as overdrafting. Well I mean in the context where teams litterally draft top o linemen to basically sit for 3 plus years Pre cap teams would hoard these guys as they would be developed and because or no cap you would have litterally 2021 caliber starters as backups I know we did this back in the day pre cap
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 10:55:56 GMT -5
Even modern football is won in the trenches, so I'm not sure insuring line stability would count as overdrafting. Well I mean in the context where teams litterally draft top o linemen to basically sit for 3 plus years Pre cap teams would hoard these guys as they would be developed and because or no cap you would have litterally 2021 caliber starters as backups I know we did this back in the day pre cap I have a strong sense the Cowboys will invest their 1st pick on getting their OL back up to domination .... would not be surprised to see them select Slater if we go pass catcher.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 22, 2021 11:01:16 GMT -5
Well I mean in the context where teams litterally draft top o linemen to basically sit for 3 plus years Pre cap teams would hoard these guys as they would be developed and because or no cap you would have litterally 2021 caliber starters as backups I know we did this back in the day pre cap I have a strong sense the Cowboys will invest their 1st pick on getting their OL back up to domination .... would not be surprised to see them select Slater if we go pass catcher. They pick ahead of us
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 22, 2021 11:07:38 GMT -5
Now a lot of this depends on what we look like after FA.
I wish we could go OL with either of our first 2 picks but we have much weaker positions to shore up immediately. We must get a playmaker WR. This has to even override serious defensive needs imo.
Now if all 4 top receivers are already off the board at #11 we either go top CB available probably best 2 CB's are gone also. So is the 3rd CB better than the top edge guy ? To me this is how I'm looking at our 2nd pick.
3rd priority to me will either be another WR or TE or whichever defense position we didn't take with our 2nd pick.
With the 4th pick and beyond I have no wish list. This is all hyped BS on my part cause it will change with who is acquired in FA and needs afterward. But I was listing what I think would help our team the most.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 11:19:13 GMT -5
I have a strong sense the Cowboys will invest their 1st pick on getting their OL back up to domination .... would not be surprised to see them select Slater if we go pass catcher. They pick ahead of us Oh crap...yep they do. Well, might allow a Waddle or even Smith to fall a bit more. Getting old, remember a post you made in discussion about if they would actually take another WR before us....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 11:22:29 GMT -5
Now a lot of this depends on what we look like after FA. I wish we could go OL with either of our first 2 picks but we have much weaker positions to shore up immediately. We must get a playmaker WR. This has to even override serious defensive needs imo. Now if all 4 top receivers are already off the board at #11 we either go top CB available probably best 2 CB's are gone also. So is the 3rd CB better than the top edge guy ? To me this is how I'm looking at our 2nd pick. 3rd priority to me will either be another WR or TE or whichever defense position we didn't take with our 2nd pick. With the 4th pick and beyond I have no wish list. This is all hyped BS on my part cause it will change with who is acquired in FA and needs afterward. But I was listing what I think would help our team the most. No doubt we are picking a WR either first or second round, possibly both picks....just like last year was OL...this is the year for us to load up on the pass catchers...preferably one that can do X.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 22, 2021 11:31:51 GMT -5
Now a lot of this depends on what we look like after FA. I wish we could go OL with either of our first 2 picks but we have much weaker positions to shore up immediately. We must get a playmaker WR. This has to even override serious defensive needs imo. Now if all 4 top receivers are already off the board at #11 we either go top CB available probably best 2 CB's are gone also. So is the 3rd CB better than the top edge guy ? To me this is how I'm looking at our 2nd pick. 3rd priority to me will either be another WR or TE or whichever defense position we didn't take with our 2nd pick. With the 4th pick and beyond I have no wish list. This is all hyped BS on my part cause it will change with who is acquired in FA and needs afterward. But I was listing what I think would help our team the most. No doubt we are picking a WR either first or second round, possibly both picks....just like last year was OL...this is the year for us to load up on the pass catchers...preferably one that can do X. Roger That !
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 22, 2021 11:58:32 GMT -5
Oh crap...yep they do. Well, might allow a Waddle or even Smith to fall a bit more. Getting old, remember a post you made in discussion about if they would actually take another WR before us.... That would work in our favor as well in a different way,not ideal for one of the top guys falling to us.. Just think of all the dire needs they bypass again by doing that in a horrific cap situation
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Post by Kase1 on Feb 22, 2021 17:50:30 GMT -5
If the top 4 pass catchers (Chase, Smith, Waddle and Pitts) are gone im totally cool with taking an OT like Sewell, Slater, or Darrisaw
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 16:10:40 GMT -5
Nice breakdown of the master technician with short arms, and quicker feet
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 31, 2021 18:53:50 GMT -5
Same story, different year.
Will the Giants go OL in Round 1 or pass so they can struggle all season and fans can debate about drafting OL again?
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 31, 2021 19:35:17 GMT -5
From a draft site that also has top scouts - yes, those boring guys who happen to be the most important aspect of any football game or team These guys will be playing in the NFL and taken quickly...well, day 1 and 2 Â
Penei SewellI can't say this enough. This 20 year old phenom is the Quenton Nelson of the tackle class. You want a guy who can gap and zone?...like Nelson? and do it at all pro levels? This guy is a no brainer first guy taken not named QB. Rashawn Slater
Pro bowl player day 1. Who can get around those quick feet? Christian Darrisaw
Watch his punch... Teven JenkinsA rag dolling right tackle ... amazing block Dillon RadunzOh, this guy will be a first rounder...tape does not lie, and he solidified his talent at the senior bowl. Sam Cosmi
2nd best feet and mirroring ability in this draft...here he shows off the wheels for a ...yes, TD In case you forget he is a after whistle mauler as well...this is when we start seeing some technical issues in players and they slide to rounds 2-4...then becomes a question can they improve and are they easily coached...what's their athletic limits. He was a favorite of some here last year, before staying in school. Pass sets are brilliant Jackson CarmanInjuries for this Clemson stud...could be a pro bowl player once he gets back to learning...the athletic toolbox is just needs tweaking Walker Little
Stanford stud...hopefully Coach Shaw can bring some insight if he visits the NFL Network coverage once again Liam Eichenberg
Might be the most technical guy of the group, but his athletic abilities will limit his ceiling Alex LeatherwoodÂ
He's a guard, which I will do the IOL in another thread. He reminds me of Flowers, to a T...he gets toasted on pure pass sets so consistently outside it is almost embarrassing to watch. Yet, at guard and less space he could be a pro bowl player. Like the cornerback, these tackles are on Islands many times...takes a while to translate to NFL speed...Leatherwood will be out of the league if he plays tackle in the NFL IMHO...unless some brilliant coach can fix that soft outside leg...this is a high school habit that should have been corrected back then. pass on these guys, Sewell won’t be there. Much better value and not much drop off in the 2nd round tackles. A name to watch, jalen mayfield. Gonna be a steal.
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 31, 2021 19:37:07 GMT -5
Same story, different year. Will the Giants go OL in Round 1 or pass so they can struggle all season and fans can debate about drafting OL again? doubtful they go oline at 11. Outside of Sewell the value isn’t there. They can’t reach for need either. The 2nd round tackles offer similar skill sets to slater, etc.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 31, 2021 19:41:49 GMT -5
Same story, different year. Will the Giants go OL in Round 1 or pass so they can struggle all season and fans can debate about drafting OL again? doubtful they go oline at 11. Outside of Sewell the value isn’t there. They can’t reach for need either. The 2nd round tackles offer similar skill sets to slater, etc. Slater would be a solid pick at 11 if the WR’s and Pitts are gone.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 31, 2021 19:49:07 GMT -5
Same story, different year. Will the Giants go OL in Round 1 or pass so they can struggle all season and fans can debate about drafting OL again? doubtful they go oline at 11. Outside of Sewell the value isn’t there. They can’t reach for need either. The 2nd round tackles offer similar skill sets to slater, etc. i’m sure they will pass. The first round for a decade is why the team is in the position they’re in.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 31, 2021 20:52:42 GMT -5
doubtful they go oline at 11. Outside of Sewell the value isn’t there. They can’t reach for need either. The 2nd round tackles offer similar skill sets to slater, etc. Slater would be a solid pick at 11 if the WR’s and Pitts are gone. Slater is a day one good guard ..... That's actually now my first choice..he could be our Martin/Scherff at RG day one
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Post by giants8493 on Apr 1, 2021 23:54:40 GMT -5
Slater would be a solid pick at 11 if the WR’s and Pitts are gone. Slater is a day one good guard ..... That's actually now my first choice..he could be our Martin/Scherff at RG day one operation make the oline great again at all costs!!!!
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 4, 2021 21:57:34 GMT -5
Teven Jenkins is on the rise..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 0:17:09 GMT -5
Teven Jenkins is on the rise.. He's a mauler ...love his tape
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 16:16:33 GMT -5
Liam Eichenberg - Notre Dame Yes, that Notre Dame, the place where we stranded the best offensive lineman of our generation so we could take thunder thighs ...the school that has quietly become an OL factory. Here comes another good one...creeping up the boards. Looks as if the Liam athletic questions were sort of answered...this huge stud is going to be a starting tackle in the NFL...plug, and play. 2016 83rd best prospect in the country - picked Notre Dame over Ohio State (247) - High School 33 reps - and some of the best tape and reps you can find Hmmmmmm....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 9:56:13 GMT -5
Path to the Draft last night...during a segment where fans asked questions, somebody asked why Leatherwood was not getting more love suggesting he's won awards, championships and is a SEC beast ect., and DJ replied suggesting that looking at film and breaking down a prospect for the NFL is a lot more than awards...and Leatherwood has all the flawed Flowers technique at the tackle spot...not a well liked by scouts offensive lineman.
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