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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 18, 2021 9:10:13 GMT -5
first for the short question I want you guys to answer.
With all that you guys are saying as to how the scouting department ect is being ran, when it comes down to picking players and the top 2-3 guys with the most clout say they all want different guys, who ultimately gets the guy THEY WANT? Is it the GM, Mara, the coach, or who???
I was just having a conversation with a coworker who is a Giants fan as well and he basically said and made a good point of the Giants liking " Their " guys and how Garrett is kind of a part of the Parcells coaching tree. Judge was/kinda I guess an offspring of Parcells or directly Belichek. With Garrett's success Judge brought in Garrett or was made to or whatever and so with Garrett's success even though with Dallas they were basically 8-8 overall during his tenure, he is the guy in waiting in case their hire of a special teams coach in Judge didn't work out as some were saying Belichick blessed off on it and that Judge would be the man per say. Back to what you guys were saying about Garrett possibly sabatoging play calling inside the 20 as it kinda looks that way, what I said to him was yeah but why would he think that would get him hired if he fails as OC and I guess if he was brought in as in them wanting him to take over at some point possibly, then why even give Judge a shot? I can't see that aspect of them telling him to make sure Judge fails as in wasting time with that whole scenario.
I told him I don't see WHY they should hire him given his overall failure as our OC but going back to what you guys keep saying about Mara and this damn circus with having his family run shit, Garrett being a yes man in Dallas he'd fall right in line here with us as HC smdh and I wouldn't be shocked if they did. If he did get the job should they move on from Judge, maybe he'll learn from his failures and step things up, maybe even have more say in bringing in his type of players, ect and we'll be ok. Hoping and wishing!!!
What are your thought?
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 18, 2021 9:12:17 GMT -5
its too bad that Bill Parcells is too old now to take the job...
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 18, 2021 9:17:56 GMT -5
its too bad that Bill Parcells is too old now to take the job... And I actually said that to him a minute ago lol |
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Post by jaymas on Oct 18, 2021 9:20:57 GMT -5
Oh boy, the wheels are coming off here. I guess that's fair though, since the wheels have been gone for awhile on the actual NYG.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 18, 2021 9:49:42 GMT -5
😮 this thread looks familiar....
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 18, 2021 10:43:15 GMT -5
😮 this thread looks familiar.... lol who made the other? |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 18, 2021 10:44:17 GMT -5
Oh boy, the wheels are coming off here. I guess that's fair thought, since the wheels have been gone for awhile on the actual NYG. you just never know maaaaannnnnnn, you never know. But if he does that would confirm the circus act going on around there....... |
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Post by jb456 on Oct 18, 2021 11:07:07 GMT -5
Jason Garrett's offense is trash and the Giants offense has regressed since his arrival. This teams coaching staff and management needs to be purged in its entirety.
No more rookie head coaches. This team needs an established coach to at least bring it up to average. This team is a laughing stock of the league and isin the running for the number 1 overall draft pick...
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 11:11:54 GMT -5
Jason Garrett's offense is trash and the Giants offense has regressed since his arrival. This teams coaching staff and management needs to be purged in its entirety. No more rookie head coaches. This team needs an established coach to at least bring it up to average. This team is a laughing stock of the league and isin the running for the number 1 overall draft pick... So what established coach actually gets your meter pointed to psyched? I actually want no part of Peterson with how he destroyed the Eagles...he got lucky 1 year and was a disaster every other year,Eagles fans would love that move. Who else is out there Be careful for what you wish for because we could really dip deep into the prehistoric Giants way witb an established coach with John Fox sitting out there unemployed while Abrams is the next Fredo sock puppet |
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 18, 2021 11:16:25 GMT -5
Garrett is the most qualified member of the staff to be head coach but I don't see it happening. He's probably looking for a way out will take a coaching job elsewhere. |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 18, 2021 11:21:02 GMT -5
No way would they make Garrett the head coach after this season. But I actually think it’s possible, only as an interim coach. The team has two former head coaches on the staff, but I think it would make more sense to make Kitchens the interim if it comes to that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 11:30:15 GMT -5
Jason Garrett's offense is trash and the Giants offense has regressed since his arrival. This teams coaching staff and management needs to be purged in its entirety. No more rookie head coaches. This team needs an established coach to at least bring it up to average. This team is a laughing stock of the league and isin the running for the number 1 overall draft pick...That's been the goal these past few years!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 12:10:51 GMT -5
Yeah, just keep making a bad thing worse.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 18, 2021 12:16:22 GMT -5
Garrett is the most qualified member of the staff to be head coach but I don't see it happening. He's probably looking for a way out will take a coaching job elsewhere. might be. Heck I think I'd take Kellen Moore |
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 18, 2021 12:22:31 GMT -5
Jason Garrett's offense is trash and the Giants offense has regressed since his arrival. This teams coaching staff and management needs to be purged in its entirety. No more rookie head coaches. This team needs an established coach to at least bring it up to average. This team is a laughing stock of the league and isin the running for the number 1 overall draft pick... So what established coach actually gets your meter pointed to psyched? I actually want no part of Peterson with how he destroyed the Eagles...he got lucky 1 year and was a disaster every other year,Eagles fans would love that move. Who else is out there Be careful for what you wish for because we could really dip deep into the prehistoric Giants way witb an established coach with John Fox sitting out there unemployed while Abrams is the next Fredo sock puppet Great point. There’s no coaching saviour who will fix this. Firing the coaching staff is a PR stunt at best. And to read more than a few minds out there, yes, it can get much much worse than Judge. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 12:23:42 GMT -5
Garrett is the most qualified member of the staff to be head coach but I don't see it happening. He's probably looking for a way out will take a coaching job elsewhere. might be. Heck I think I'd take Kellen Moore Moore modernized Garret's system his last year,and Jerruh did a very rare good thing insisting that Moore be kept... Meanwhile we have what appeared to be a young foward thinking modern NFL coach and get a relic like Garrett forced on him because they had to somehow keep "the Giamts way" |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 12:27:16 GMT -5
if you take this roster exactly as it is, im not sure what just a head coach alone would do, our roster is garbage.
when everyones healthy, we almost have a football team, the saints game, we were as whole as we've been and we nearly looked like an nfl team
take just a few key guys away and we completely collapse.
the roster is very thin.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 18, 2021 12:37:49 GMT -5
might be. Heck I think I'd take Kellen Moore Moore modernized Garret's system his last year,and Jerruh did a very rare good thing insisting that Moore be kept... Meanwhile we have what appeared to be a young foward thinking modern NFL coach and get a relic like Garrett forced on him because they had to somehow keep "the Giamts way" sounds kinda bout right smdh |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 18, 2021 12:38:08 GMT -5
might be. Heck I think I'd take Kellen Moore Moore modernized Garret's system his last year,and Jerruh did a very rare good thing insisting that Moore be kept... Meanwhile we have what appeared to be a young foward thinking modern NFL coach and get a relic like Garrett forced on him because they had to somehow keep "the Giamts way" sounds kinda bout right smdh |
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Oct 18, 2021 13:31:56 GMT -5
I'm all for giving garrett a free look as a head coach and Freddie kitckens a free look as an oc. Fire judge right after the last game before the bye. Give garrett and kitckens the 2nd half of the season to see what they got.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 18, 2021 13:34:50 GMT -5
Jason Garrett's offense is trash and the Giants offense has regressed since his arrival. This teams coaching staff and management needs to be purged in its entirety. No more rookie head coaches. This team needs an established coach to at least bring it up to average. This team is a laughing stock of the league and isin the running for the number 1 overall draft pick... So what established coach actually gets your meter pointed to psyched? I actually want no part of Peterson with how he destroyed the Eagles...he got lucky 1 year and was a disaster every other year,Eagles fans would love that move. Who else is out there Be careful for what you wish for because we could really dip deep into the prehistoric Giants way witb an established coach with John Fox sitting out there unemployed while Abrams is the next Fredo sock puppet I had the same thought process as your response. I'm done with it and am willing to accept mediocrity. The Giants need a coach who has been there and done that. This team is over Judge's head and it's not all his fault but based on what has been told in the media, Gentlemen was getting players that the coaches wanted. Judge is part of the problem, Graham is part of the problem, Garrett is part of the problem. The Giants have fallen so far that they are literally the bud of jokes. At this point, the Giants are a mile from the point when they were 1 or 2 games under 500 (When Coughlin was canned). There is a big difference to missing the playoffs by 1-3 games and basically getting eliminated from playoff contention by October. This is a worse situation than the Mets. At least they stick around for a few months. At this point, the Giants are not only one of the if not the worst teams in Football. They could throw their hat into one of the worst teams in pro sports. It's that bad. |
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Post by jb456 on Oct 18, 2021 13:36:24 GMT -5
if you take this roster exactly as it is, im not sure what just a head coach alone would do, our roster is garbage. when everyones healthy, we almost have a football team, the saints game, we were as whole as we've been and we nearly looked like an nfl team take just a few key guys away and we completely collapse. the roster is very thin. The Giants also don't have any money to spend next year but they have a crap ton of good draft picks and money to spend in 2023. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Oct 18, 2021 13:50:04 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 13:54:57 GMT -5
So what established coach actually gets your meter pointed to psyched? I actually want no part of Peterson with how he destroyed the Eagles...he got lucky 1 year and was a disaster every other year,Eagles fans would love that move. Who else is out there Be careful for what you wish for because we could really dip deep into the prehistoric Giants way witb an established coach with John Fox sitting out there unemployed while Abrams is the next Fredo sock puppet I had the same thought process as your response. I'm done with it and am willing to accept mediocrity. The Giants need a coach who has been there and done that. This team is over Judge's head and it's not all his fault but based on what has been told in the media, Gentlemen was getting players that the coaches wanted. Judge is part of the problem, Graham is part of the problem, Garrett is part of the problem. The Giants have fallen so far that they are literally the bud of jokes. At this point, the Giants are a mile from the point when they were 1 or 2 games under 500 (When Coughlin was canned). There is a big difference to missing the playoffs by 1-3 games and basically getting eliminated from playoff contention by October. This is a worse situation than the Mets. At least they stick around for a few months. At this point, the Giants are not only one of the if not the worst teams in Football. They could throw their hat into one of the worst teams in pro sports. It's that bad.  So again where is this unicorn top established coach that has been there/done that that is waiting by the phone waiting for Mara to call him up ? Who fits this bill? Remember the game has changed bigtine the past 10 years so anyone that might have fit that bill in the 2012 will probably be coming in with a very dated mindset |
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Post by Rudy on Oct 18, 2021 13:56:37 GMT -5
Yeah, just keep making a bad thing worse. lol yup |
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Post by Nite on Oct 18, 2021 14:04:56 GMT -5
Jason Garrett's offense is trash and the Giants offense has regressed since his arrival. This teams coaching staff and management needs to be purged in its entirety. No more rookie head coaches. This team needs an established coach to at least bring it up to average. This team is a laughing stock of the league and isin the running for the number 1 overall draft pick... If you want an estab;lished HC then you have to go way outside the organization. The college ranks offers some interesting possibilities 1) David Shaw - Stanford - previous NFL Experience 2) Lane Kiffin - Ole Miss - previous NFL experience and an innovator 3) Lincoln Riley - OK As for coordinators I like Venebles DC of Clemson. His defense is solid year in and out.. Hell, maybe even Chip Kelly. He is probably better than what we have now |
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 18, 2021 14:14:04 GMT -5
Awesome - Giants can trade Barkley for a 3rd Round pick and a #1 to Dallas for Zeke
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Post by jb456 on Oct 18, 2021 14:21:14 GMT -5
I had the same thought process as your response. I'm done with it and am willing to accept mediocrity. The Giants need a coach who has been there and done that. This team is over Judge's head and it's not all his fault but based on what has been told in the media, Gentlemen was getting players that the coaches wanted. Judge is part of the problem, Graham is part of the problem, Garrett is part of the problem. The Giants have fallen so far that they are literally the bud of jokes. At this point, the Giants are a mile from the point when they were 1 or 2 games under 500 (When Coughlin was canned). There is a big difference to missing the playoffs by 1-3 games and basically getting eliminated from playoff contention by October. This is a worse situation than the Mets. At least they stick around for a few months. At this point, the Giants are not only one of the if not the worst teams in Football. They could throw their hat into one of the worst teams in pro sports. It's that bad. So again where is this unicorn top established coach that has been there/done that that is waiting by the phone waiting for Mara to call him up ? Who fits this bill? Remember the game has changed bigtine the past 10 years so anyone that might have fit that bill in the 2012 will probably be coming in with a very dated mindset He doesn't have to be a unicorn, he could also be from a top college team. I agree, I'm not interested in a coach that hasn't held the position in 10 years. This team is in shambles. Nobody from within should be promoted or considered. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 14:24:35 GMT -5
So again where is this unicorn top established coach that has been there/done that that is waiting by the phone waiting for Mara to call him up ? Who fits this bill? Remember the game has changed bigtine the past 10 years so anyone that might have fit that bill in the 2012 will probably be coming in with a very dated mindset He doesn't have to be a unicorn, he could also be from a top college team. I agree, I'm not interested in a coach that hasn't held the position in 10 years. OK College I can agree with Because there is no coach that you described with just NFL experience sitting out there that qualifies as "experience,been there done that " To me that is the Fishers,Fox's,ect of the world...and the game has passed those guys by |
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Post by repeatchamps on Oct 18, 2021 16:12:48 GMT -5
He doesn't have to be a unicorn, he could also be from a top college team. I agree, I'm not interested in a coach that hasn't held the position in 10 years. OK College I can agree with Because there is no coach that you described with just NFL experience sitting out there that qualifies as "experience,been there done that " To me that is the Fishers,Fox's,ect of the world...and the game has passed those guys by Pretty much this. I like Shaw the best. Good luck luring him away from that cushy job in Cali to NYC Metro. Little to no chance it happens. |
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