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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 11:35:06 GMT -5
I hope they make it to 5 wins then I can say my preseason prediction was spot on! Not really but not everyone out here was drinking the blue cool-aid.. Bad thing is, if they win their last 4 games of the season, people will come on here saying, "See, this team is on the right path, let's give the HC/OC another yr". The objective of every team is to make the playoffs, once that objective is no longer achievable, and for us, that means prior to Halloween, then you start looking at trading high priced players at the trade deadline for draft capitol & if going into the last 4 weeks of the yr, you have just 1-2 wins under your belt, start looking at getting a top 3 pick as winning meaningless games will only hurt your draft stock & possibly give a division opponent the chance to draft the pick that you have your eyes on as has been done to us so many times in the past few yrs. Crap like that has been why we had to resort to drafting crap players like Flowers & Apple #1! I understand your perspective but lets face it this team had the 2nd pick in what was considered a QB rich draft and they selected a dancing RB who can't block.. Who's to say they would've made better picks if they did lose those last few games each year.. BTW.. Flowers is better than any guard the Giants have fielded this season..
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Post by jaymas on Oct 20, 2021 15:00:29 GMT -5
Dont think that was an indictment on Lawrence, just pointing out that tanking for any player isn't a magic elixir that makes your team awesome. It’s not guaranteed, no, but your chances of building a better roster and getting a true difference maker increase in most cases. I could use Chase Young as an example, of course one player won’t make a difference on a team as bad as this but you have to start somewhere. The Washington Football Team is an example of an awesome team?
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 20, 2021 15:07:06 GMT -5
After all the injuries and failures, it is safe to say this season is all but over for the Giants. A new goal now is in front of them……the No. 1 slot in the 2022 NFL draft. Assuming the Giants decide to keep Daniel Jones, that slot will provide a bevy of high draft choices in 2022 and beyond. The current Giant players will scrap and fight to wins all games, or at least keep their jobs but the lack of roster quality and injury status have left this team toothless for this season. I'm definitely ALL in..............
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 20, 2021 15:08:24 GMT -5
I hope they make it to 5 wins then I can say my preseason prediction was spot on! Not really but not everyone out here was drinking the blue cool-aid.. Bad thing is, if they win their last 4 games of the season, people will come on here saying, "See, this team is on the right path, let's give the HC/OC another yr". The objective of every team is to make the playoffs, once that objective is no longer achievable, and for us, that means prior to Halloween, then you start looking at trading high priced players at the trade deadline for draft capitol & if going into the last 4 weeks of the yr, you have just 1-2 wins under your belt, start looking at getting a top 3 pick as winning meaningless games will only hurt your draft stock & possibly give a division opponent the chance to draft the pick that you have your eyes on as has been done to us so many times in the past few yrs. Crap like that has been why we had to resort to drafting crap players like Flowers & Apple #1! afreakinmen bro
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Post by vinnie on Oct 20, 2021 16:24:31 GMT -5
It’s not guaranteed, no, but your chances of building a better roster and getting a true difference maker increase in most cases. I could use Chase Young as an example, of course one player won’t make a difference on a team as bad as this but you have to start somewhere. The Washington Football Team is an example of an awesome team? Really? REALLY? Do I need to explain this to you or do you want to continue to play dumb (hopefully you’re playing)? Your comment was almost worth ignoring altogether.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 20, 2021 16:46:29 GMT -5
The Washington Football Team is an example of an awesome team? Really? REALLY? Do I need to explain this to you or do you want to continue to play dumb (hopefully you’re playing)? Your comment was almost worth ignoring altogether. What? My original comment was about how the number 1 draft pick (or other really high picks) are not elixirs that magically create an awesome team. Which is true and has been proven time and time again. 1 pick, no matter how high will single handedly change a team's fortunes. You responded by pointing out Chase Young - which made it seem like that was an example of a single pick that does change a team's fortunes. Which would not be true because Washington isn't very good (which is not Young's fault, but rather proof of my point). So either: I did not understand what you were trying to say, or your original counterargument stinks.
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 20, 2021 16:51:59 GMT -5
We’ve been over this. As bad as the Giants are, and they put the P in pathetic. They will not get the 1st overall pick. They will squeak by a team or two on their way to oblivion. Now, if somehow we do get the 1st overall pick. Jobs will be lost, and hell will pay. Mara will throw a hissy fit, and Gettleman will be on a first class trip to Area 51. The Giants goal is no different then any season. Win games, and put a good product on the field. Losers, play for draft position. I think this year with all the injuries they actually have a good shot at it.
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 20, 2021 17:05:13 GMT -5
Giants will beat Chicago to avoid picking #1
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Post by allnygin on Oct 20, 2021 17:08:10 GMT -5
Cool, maybe we'll draft a thumper at the HB position this time with the number 1 overall pick this time instead of number 2. Well pretend its the 70's and 80's again, since it seems like everyone in the organization is stuck in that era.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 20, 2021 17:10:21 GMT -5
Cool, maybe we'll draft a thumper at the HB position this time with the number 1 overall pick this time instead of number 2. Well pretend its the 70's and 80's again, since it seems like everyone in the organization is stuck in that era. If Fredo is legit running the team proxy the next sock puppet it wouldn't shock me in the least
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Post by vinnie on Oct 20, 2021 17:23:11 GMT -5
Really? REALLY? Do I need to explain this to you or do you want to continue to play dumb (hopefully you’re playing)? Your comment was almost worth ignoring altogether. What? My original comment was about how the number 1 draft pick (or other really high picks) are not elixirs that magically create an awesome team. Which is true and has been proven time and time again. 1 pick, no matter how high will single handedly change a team's fortunes. You responded by pointing out Chase Young - which made it seem like that was an example of a single pick that does change a team's fortunes. Which would not be true because Washington isn't very good (which is not Young's fault, but rather proof of my point). So either: I did not understand what you were trying to say, or your original counterargument stinks. I believe I even stated in the comment you quoted that I realized rarely does one player change an entire teams fortunes (QB would be the most likely but still rare). I did not mean to imply in any way that Chase Young made Washington a good team so I’ll chalk it up to you misunderstood me. My point was, although there are plenty of first round busts, I believe you are more likely to get an impact player the higher you pick and you certainly have more options as far as what position you want to draft. I used Chase Young as an example of what one spot in the draft made in regards to where we picked or just like the Eagles jumping us for Devonta Smith. And yes, my original counter argument would stink if what you thought I was trying to say was really what I meant to say. Apologies if I came across rough, I thought you were purposely trying to start an argument about something I never said or meant to imply.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 20, 2021 19:23:10 GMT -5
What? My original comment was about how the number 1 draft pick (or other really high picks) are not elixirs that magically create an awesome team. Which is true and has been proven time and time again. 1 pick, no matter how high will single handedly change a team's fortunes. You responded by pointing out Chase Young - which made it seem like that was an example of a single pick that does change a team's fortunes. Which would not be true because Washington isn't very good (which is not Young's fault, but rather proof of my point). So either: I did not understand what you were trying to say, or your original counterargument stinks. I believe I even stated in the comment you quoted that I realized rarely does one player change an entire teams fortunes (QB would be the most likely but still rare). I did not mean to imply in any way that Chase Young made Washington a good team so I’ll chalk it up to you misunderstood me. My point was, although there are plenty of first round busts, I believe you are more likely to get an impact player the higher you pick and you certainly have more options as far as what position you want to draft. I used Chase Young as an example of what one spot in the draft made in regards to where we picked or just like the Eagles jumping us for Devonta Smith. And yes, my original counter argument would stink if what you thought I was trying to say was really what I meant to say. Apologies if I came across rough, I thought you were purposely trying to start an argument about something I never said or meant to imply. Ahhh...this makes a lot more sense. All good
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Post by Jomo on Oct 20, 2021 19:37:13 GMT -5
We keep it simple, we play to win.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 20, 2021 20:07:29 GMT -5
Our goal is to beat the Panthers this week. Nothing more, nothing less. Who gives a shit about draft position, it's not guarantee anyway.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 20, 2021 20:10:29 GMT -5
Considering that we are the worst team in the NFL since 2017, it's comical that some fans would rather win 2-3 more meaningless games in an already lost season. So you gonna go around bragging that we went 4-13 & the 5th pick instead of 2-15 & the #1 or #2 pick? The last thing this team needs is to win 5-6 games & have the GM/HC/OC come back next yr & rinse & repeat. I mean Jets fans are laughing at us! It's pathetic that a "fan" of any team would want that team to lose. **** THAT. You only get to watch a handful of football games in your life, I'll be damned if I'm going to spend a single one hoping my team loses. I'd rather win 9 more games, finish 10-7 and miss the playoffs than get the first pick in the draft. I will never root for the Giants to lose, no real fan would.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 20, 2021 21:39:32 GMT -5
Our goal is to beat the Panthers this week. Nothing more, nothing less. Who gives a shit about draft position, it's not guarantee anyway. I certainly give a shit. If I were a player I would be playing my heart out every game but as a fan, I don’t even give a shit about this season anymore. Great, so say we beat the Panthers who aren’t that great of a team anyways, what does that do? Give us a moral victory and false hope for Mara that could cause him to keep everyone around for another year. Yay!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 7:24:37 GMT -5
Our goal is to beat the Panthers this week. Nothing more, nothing less. Who gives a shit about draft position, it's not guarantee anyway. I certainly give a shit. If I were a player I would be playing my heart out every game but as a fan, I don’t even give a shit about this season anymore. Great, so say we beat the Panthers who aren’t that great of a team anyways, what does that do? Give us a moral victory and false hope for Mara that could cause him to keep everyone around for another year. Yay! Do you give a shit or not?? You claimed both! LOL GO GIANTS!!
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 21, 2021 7:36:01 GMT -5
I hate watching the Giants lose games. It really doesn't matter what the record is. That's the illogical fan in me, no apologies!!!
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 21, 2021 12:18:00 GMT -5
Considering we're 19-51 the past 5 yrs, not a whole lotta winning has been happening so all this, " I want them to win every game" talk is laughable. We can barely string together a 2 game win streak nowadays but some of you think this team can win every week? Sorry, I'm a realist, I don't live on the corner of Rainbow & Sunshine like some of you seem to do. This team is totally dysfunctional going on 5 full seasons now. Their record the past 5 yrs after just 5 games is 4-18! That has pretty much eliminated us from playoff contention by Halloween 5yrs in a row! The Browns had to suck multiple yrs in a row in order to be able to stockpile high draft picks & slowly but surely build the team they have now that is a contender. We may have to suck this yr & next yr in order to finally field a playoff contender in 24' & beyond. With this season already a wash, it's dumb to hope for more wins just to feel good about a 5-12 or 6-11 record & push ourselves out of a top 5-6 pick & watch Philly get 2 picks in the top 5 & continue to dominate us along with Dallas as they have for the past 5yrs..
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Post by Jomo on Oct 21, 2021 12:46:27 GMT -5
Draft order doesn't solve anything.
We don't draft especially well and the draft is not at the heart of our problems.
As always, we should keep it uncomplicated. Just play to win......we aren't going to win much anyway.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 21, 2021 13:07:35 GMT -5
I certainly give a shit. If I were a player I would be playing my heart out every game but as a fan, I don’t even give a shit about this season anymore. Great, so say we beat the Panthers who aren’t that great of a team anyways, what does that do? Give us a moral victory and false hope for Mara that could cause him to keep everyone around for another year. Yay! Do you give a shit or not?? You claimed both! LOL GO GIANTS!! Ha…true. I should clarify. I give a shit about draft position so I do give a shit about the season in a sense. I don’t give a shit about winning a pointless game or two. If we win tomorrow, fine, if we don’t…oh well. I used to be so passionate about this team and cared about every win and loss but that’s when I thought the team was a playoff contender or we were building something for the following season. Unfortunately, I don't see either with this team. They won’t be playoff contenders next year and a good portion of the current team won’t be on the roster in 2-3 years. Other than hoping Jones shows positive consistency, there is nothing more for me to look forward to other than DG being fired, major shake ups amongst the coaching staff and the draft. That’s what ten years of below average play and 3 years and running as being the worst team in the league has done to me.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 21, 2021 13:11:02 GMT -5
Draft order doesn't solve anything. We don't draft especially well and the draft is not at the heart of our problems. As always, we should keep it uncomplicated. Just play to win......we aren't going to win much anyway. Especially this hear where it looks like there is nothing but 2nd round type talent at best at QB so there won't be the demand or potential haul to trade back 2 top 10 picks though will probably get us a blue chip edge rusher type and probably the top beast IDL (Leal or Davis )so we should be thinking along those lines to beast up that side of the ball
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 21, 2021 16:16:14 GMT -5
Our goal is to beat the Panthers this week. Nothing more, nothing less. Who gives a shit about draft position, it's not guarantee anyway. I certainly give a shit. If I were a player I would be playing my heart out every game but as a fan, I don’t even give a shit about this season anymore. Great, so say we beat the Panthers who aren’t that great of a team anyways, what does that do? Give us a moral victory and false hope for Mara that could cause him to keep everyone around for another year. Yay! At the end of the season I will obviously want a good draft position. I sure as hell won't be hoping we lose a single game so we get better draft position. Anyone rooting for us to lose is not a true fan IMO.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 21, 2021 17:32:05 GMT -5
I certainly give a shit. If I were a player I would be playing my heart out every game but as a fan, I don’t even give a shit about this season anymore. Great, so say we beat the Panthers who aren’t that great of a team anyways, what does that do? Give us a moral victory and false hope for Mara that could cause him to keep everyone around for another year. Yay! At the end of the season I will obviously want a good draft position. I sure as hell won't be hoping we lose a single game so we get better draft position. Anyone rooting for us to lose is not a true fan IMO. Age old debate. I’m not rooting for us to lose but I don’t care if we win either. I guarantee about 70% of these current players won’t even be on the roster in 2-3 years when we MAY have a shot at making the playoffs, but even that’s doubtful. It’s hard foe me to excited over a moral victory that has little to no bearing on the current season or the future of this team. On the other hand, the draft and draft positioning does have an immense impact on our future.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 22, 2021 20:20:02 GMT -5
At the end of the season I will obviously want a good draft position. I sure as hell won't be hoping we lose a single game so we get better draft position. Anyone rooting for us to lose is not a true fan IMO. Age old debate. I’m not rooting for us to lose but I don’t care if we win either. I guarantee about 70% of these current players won’t even be on the roster in 2-3 years when we MAY have a shot at making the playoffs, but even that’s doubtful. It’s hard foe me to excited over a moral victory that has little to no bearing on the current season or the future of this team. On the other hand, the draft and draft positioning does have an immense impact on our future. Not really a debate. If you sit down on Sunday and watch this team play and don't care if they win or lose you are simply not a fan. I don't mean after the game. There have been plenty of times in recent years after we lost when I was like "well time to mow the lawn" because you become numb to the losing. I'm talking during the game though. Not caring in that moment is something I can't understand.
To be fair in recent years once we are out of it I don't get super excited either, like you said for a moral victory. I've been numb (after the game) to winning a random game in December when we have been out of it since October. I'm strictly talking in the moment, while the game is on.
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