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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 1, 2021 10:11:11 GMT -5
Should lock this thread, no? Why? Don't like the topic or conversation, scroll past & ignore it. I bet you want Chapelle canceled too. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 10:15:41 GMT -5
Ridiculous comparison. Compare the quality of each one’s first round picks. JRs average first round draft position was ~20. Gettlemens is ~10 Some food for thought. Though, he traded 3 draft picks to get Deandre Baker's first round selection. Makes sense, right? And why did DG have that draft position because he took over the shell of what was left of the Giants franchise, he has 4 drafts of course with disaster the Giants were he would be drafting high the first 2 to 4 drafts. this aint a pissing match they both needed firing one is gone and the other hopefully will follow suit, both men love this franchise and surly didn't want things to go the way they did for either it is what it is, if Reese was good the Giants would be a winning franchise as we speak there not and he is gone, if Gettlemen were getting it done they would show some signs of life. these 2 guys didn't get it done. Think only 1 guy Les Snead for the rams had 5 losing years to start his career there and survived since, 3 playoff appearances and a Super Bowl game in the books GMS don't survive losing usually. |
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 1, 2021 10:22:05 GMT -5
I love investing in secondary. and we have in the draft. Sam Beal, Deandre Baker, Darney Holmes, Julian Love, Mckinney. Not a whole lot to show. We still need to look at drafting a CB next year. This is how bad teams come to fruition Thats is some bad luck right there Baker and Love were winners up for the Thorpe award you would think 1 would have panned out or both. Secondary is really important for the passrush and the Passrush is important to the secondary. The list of investment in the secondary extends beyond that list too. You have Williams and Robinson drafted this past draft and also Corey Ballantine was a recent DB pick plus the trade for Peppers for OBJ and Yiadom last year as well as the signing of Logan Ryan, Bradberry and Adoree Jackson. It for sure is not from a lack of trying. They are doing everything they possibly can and just can't quite get it settled. |
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 1, 2021 10:34:46 GMT -5
Why? Don't like the topic or conversation, scroll past & ignore it. I bet you want Chapelle canceled too. lol calm down, Skippy. It’s because a thread was recently locked for far less. No prob. What thread was that about? |
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 1, 2021 10:42:14 GMT -5
Wow he's playing. I mean, not starting but he does have 7 tackles in 4 games this year. Define "making plays"? The guy is a first round pick in 2019 and cant start on the worst defence in football. He plays on 40% of their snaps. He’s not out of the league and is playing for a team which is normally atop the NFL. I don't think that this is accurate. Baker has been a healthy scratch in 3 of the Chiefs' first seven games. In another game he had zero defensive snaps and in another game he had one defensive snap. That's 1 defensive snap total in 5 of the Chiefs 7 games this year. |
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 1, 2021 10:48:29 GMT -5
I'm not a dg hater. Some peeps here seem to hate him because of his accent, manner or even because he's fat.
The only thing I judge him on is wins and losses. And on that basis he's not a good GM, and probably deserves to lose his job.
Period.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 10:53:45 GMT -5
Thats is some bad luck right there Baker and Love were winners up for the Thorpe award you would think 1 would have panned out or both. Secondary is really important for the passrush and the Passrush is important to the secondary. The list of investment in the secondary extends beyond that list too. You have Williams and Robinson drafted this past draft and also Corey Ballantine was a recent DB pick plus the trade for Peppers for OBJ and Yiadom last year as well as the signing of Logan Ryan, Bradberry and Adoree Jackson. It for sure is not from a lack of trying. They are doing everything they possibly can and just can't quite get it settled. Theres talent there I don't think our pass rush has held up their end of the bargain even with good coverage they weren't getting there I think if they can get after the QB a bit they would be fine, there worst 2 games Dallas and Rams they almost 0 pressures or hits Rams it was 0 the have to work hand in hand. and when they pressured and sacked the panthers we got a 3 point game. |
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Post by thetruth on Nov 1, 2021 11:02:35 GMT -5
He plays on 40% of their snaps. He’s not out of the league and is playing for a team which is normally atop the NFL. I don't think that this is accurate. Baker has been a healthy scratch in 3 of the Chiefs' first seven games. In another game he had zero defensive snaps and in another game he had one defensive snap. That's 1 defensive snap total in 5 of the Chiefs 7 games this year.  |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 11:04:48 GMT -5
He plays on 40% of their snaps. He’s not out of the league and is playing for a team which is normally atop the NFL. I don't think that this is accurate. Baker has been a healthy scratch in 3 of the Chiefs' first seven games. In another game he had zero defensive snaps and in another game he had one defensive snap. That's 1 defensive snap total in 5 of the Chiefs 7 games this year. Regardless this happens he was a thorpe finalist and shut down the SEC pretty good, no one saw this coming some guys just can't make the transition Baker has been down more then he has been up KCs secondary stinks so if he isn't getting a chance there it isn't a good sign. Then again they only have 8 sacks as a team that might be more of the problem. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 11:07:13 GMT -5
I'm not a dg hater. Some peeps here seem to hate him because of his accent, manner or even because he's fat. The only thing I judge him on is wins and losses. And on that basis he's not a good GM, and probably deserves to lose his job. Period. Exactly poking holes in guys games that he drafted because you don't like him is kind of silly he has had some nice picks and some bad ones. wins is what matters he hasn't done enough of that. |
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 1, 2021 11:08:41 GMT -5
I don't think that this is accurate. Baker has been a healthy scratch in 3 of the Chiefs' first seven games. In another game he had zero defensive snaps and in another game he had one defensive snap. That's 1 defensive snap total in 5 of the Chiefs 7 games this year. Regardless this happens he was a thorpe finalist and shut down the SEC pretty good, no one saw this coming some guys just can't make the transition Baker has been down more then he has been up KCs secondary stinks so if he isn't getting a chance there it isn't a good sign. Then again they only have 8 sacks as a team that might be more of the problem. It's been well-documented that there was a lot of stuff out there about Baker's motivation and work-ethic before the draft. The Giants ignored it (or even worse, didn't know about it) and it bit them in the ass. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 11:17:23 GMT -5
Regardless this happens he was a thorpe finalist and shut down the SEC pretty good, no one saw this coming some guys just can't make the transition Baker has been down more then he has been up KCs secondary stinks so if he isn't getting a chance there it isn't a good sign. Then again they only have 8 sacks as a team that might be more of the problem. It's been well-documented that there was a lot of stuff out there about Baker's motivation and work-ethic before the draft. The Giants ignored it (or even worse, didn't know about it) and it bit them in the ass. They admitted they new about and thought they could coach him up, clearly they liked the talent they saw and took a chance now if he were there only first round pick they would be getting killed but Jones and Lawrence have been good even tho Lawrence gets crap he shouldn't, Gettleemn should have went QB edge and DB, then again in our division teams have to win the LOS and Lawrence can do that from across the front. They didn't have Leo yet either, No way around Baker was a risky pick and it came back and bit them. These are the things that guys fired. |
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Post by McCherry on Nov 1, 2021 11:30:31 GMT -5
It's been well-documented that there was a lot of stuff out there about Baker's motivation and work-ethic before the draft. The Giants ignored it (or even worse, didn't know about it) and it bit them in the ass. They admitted they new about and thought they could coach him up, clearly they liked the talent they saw and took a chance now if he were there only first round pick they would be getting killed but Jones and Lawrence have been good even tho Lawrence gets crap he shouldn't, Gettleemn should have went QB edge and DB, then again in our division teams have to win the LOS and Lawrence can do that from across the front. They didn't have Leo yet either, No way around Baker was a risky pick and it came back and bit them. These are the things that guys fired. Baker was a monster prospect. I had no problem with going after a player of that talent. Plenty of fans here wanted Parsons, who issues went way beyond Baker's. Using 3 picks though is a high-risk move that the Giants weren't in a position to take. There is no room for error when you trade that capital, and you can't be wrong. And the Giants were wrong after one season. |
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Post by Zimonami on Nov 1, 2021 11:37:17 GMT -5
Gettleman's 1st rounder ijn 2019 was Daniel Jones. I think he is still playing somewhere in the league. The Giants selected three times in the first round in 2019. Boom... Thank you, LT... I totally forgot that.... Yes, Lawrence and Baker. I forgot we moved up for Baker... what a bust choice that was. |
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Post by imgrate on Nov 1, 2021 11:53:16 GMT -5
I don't think that this is accurate. Baker has been a healthy scratch in 3 of the Chiefs' first seven games. In another game he had zero defensive snaps and in another game he had one defensive snap. That's 1 defensive snap total in 5 of the Chiefs 7 games this year. Just going by the stat sheet.  They're only calculating the games he played in. The chiefs have 431 plays against them. 99 divided by 431 is 23%. Edit...its actually more than. 431 plays. www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/2021-snap-counts.htm |
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Post by McCherry on Nov 1, 2021 12:25:16 GMT -5
I don't think that this is accurate. Baker has been a healthy scratch in 3 of the Chiefs' first seven games. In another game he had zero defensive snaps and in another game he had one defensive snap. That's 1 defensive snap total in 5 of the Chiefs 7 games this year. Regardless this happens he was a thorpe finalist and shut down the SEC pretty good, no one saw this coming some guys just can't make the transition Baker has been down more then he has been up KCs secondary stinks so if he isn't getting a chance there it isn't a good sign. Then again they only have 8 sacks as a team that might be more of the problem. Baker suffered one of the worst broken leg injuries (femur) you have in the final game last year. He'd been playing well up to the injury. The time he’s missed this year has been health related and not performance related at all. Andy Reid has said nothing but good things about him. |
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Post by Speedman on Nov 1, 2021 12:27:15 GMT -5
Ridiculous comparison. Compare the quality of each one’s first round picks. JRs average first round draft position was ~20. Gettlemens is ~10 Some food for thought. Though, he traded 3 draft picks to get Deandre Baker's first round selection. Makes sense, right? You say that JR’s average 1st round draft position is 20 but the 2 players that you mentioned were top 10 picks. Can’t have it both ways. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 12:48:03 GMT -5
Regardless this happens he was a thorpe finalist and shut down the SEC pretty good, no one saw this coming some guys just can't make the transition Baker has been down more then he has been up KCs secondary stinks so if he isn't getting a chance there it isn't a good sign. Then again they only have 8 sacks as a team that might be more of the problem. Baker suffered one of the worst broken leg injuries (femur) you have in the final game last year. He'd been playing well up to the injury. The time he’s missed this year has been health related and not performance related at all. Andy Reid has said nothing but good things about him. So are you saying the Giants were right about maturity issues, It still came back to bite them if he were home doing something other than hanging out in the beginning fo a deadly pandemic at a gambling den he would still be a Giant it was risky and it didn't work out, the talent is there it's the brain they thought they could help. |
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Post by McCherry on Nov 1, 2021 12:51:55 GMT -5
Baker suffered one of the worst broken leg injuries (femur) you have in the final game last year. He'd been playing well up to the injury. The time he’s missed this year has been health related and not performance related at all. Andy Reid has said nothing but good things about him. So are you saying the Giants were right about maturity issues, It still came back to bite them if he were home doing something other than hanging out in the beginning fo a deadly pandemic at a gambling den he would still be a Giant it was risky and it didn't work out, the talent is there it's the brain they thought they could help. Kaderius Toney has maturity issues. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Baker learned a lesson and may still turn out to be a good NFL CB. Players like Toney and Parsons may still blow it. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 13:04:36 GMT -5
So are you saying the Giants were right about maturity issues, It still came back to bite them if he were home doing something other than hanging out in the beginning fo a deadly pandemic at a gambling den he would still be a Giant it was risky and it didn't work out, the talent is there it's the brain they thought they could help. Kaderius Toney has maturity issues. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Baker learned a lesson and may still turn out to be a good NFL CB. Players like Toney and Parsons may still blow it. Toney really had no red flags except he had a legal gun in his car. unless there was something else. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 1, 2021 13:06:18 GMT -5
So are you saying the Giants were right about maturity issues, It still came back to bite them if he were home doing something other than hanging out in the beginning fo a deadly pandemic at a gambling den he would still be a Giant it was risky and it didn't work out, the talent is there it's the brain they thought they could help. Kaderius Toney has maturity issues. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Baker learned a lesson and may still turn out to be a good NFL CB. Players like Toney and Parsons may still blow it. Gettlemen doesn't usually takes chances in the first couple rounds and this is gonna make it so he probably never will again lol if he gets a chance or wants a chance. |
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 1, 2021 13:56:23 GMT -5
They admitted they new about and thought they could coach him up, clearly they liked the talent they saw and took a chance now if he were there only first round pick they would be getting killed but Jones and Lawrence have been good even tho Lawrence gets crap he shouldn't, Gettleemn should have went QB edge and DB, then again in our division teams have to win the LOS and Lawrence can do that from across the front. They didn't have Leo yet either, No way around Baker was a risky pick and it came back and bit them. These are the things that guys fired. Baker was a monster prospect. I had no problem with going after a player of that talent. Plenty of fans here wanted Parsons, who issues went way beyond Baker's. Using 3 picks though is a high-risk move that the Giants weren't in a position to take. There is no room for error when you trade that capital, and you can't be wrong. And the Giants were wrong after one season. What issues did Parson's have that went "way beyond Baker's"? Don't recall a single person questioning Parson's work ethic or motivation. |
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 1, 2021 13:59:04 GMT -5
Regardless this happens he was a thorpe finalist and shut down the SEC pretty good, no one saw this coming some guys just can't make the transition Baker has been down more then he has been up KCs secondary stinks so if he isn't getting a chance there it isn't a good sign. Then again they only have 8 sacks as a team that might be more of the problem. Baker suffered one of the worst broken leg injuries (femur) you have in the final game last year. He'd been playing well up to the injury. The time he’s missed this year has been health related and not performance related at all. Andy Reid has said nothing but good things about him. Oh, I'm sure that he is an A+ student in the meeting rooms now ... lol |
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Post by McCherry on Nov 1, 2021 14:54:37 GMT -5
Baker was a monster prospect. I had no problem with going after a player of that talent. Plenty of fans here wanted Parsons, who issues went way beyond Baker's. Using 3 picks though is a high-risk move that the Giants weren't in a position to take. There is no room for error when you trade that capital, and you can't be wrong. And the Giants were wrong after one season. What issues did Parson's have that went "way beyond Baker's"? Don't recall a single person questioning Parson's work ethic or motivation. Parson's red flags were well known during the offseason that included fighting, choking, hazing. Ric Serritella said on Giants Insider there was additional information that could've made him undraftable. Aside from that I don't recall anyone questioning his motivation or work ethic. |
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Post by thetruth on Nov 1, 2021 15:22:49 GMT -5
You'd think with someone with your name you'd do a little more investigation into...the truth  And before anyone freaks out... I'm just ribbing ya. It's all good. Nah, completely fair. Im dropping the ball! |
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Post by thetruth on Nov 1, 2021 15:23:50 GMT -5
JRs average first round draft position was ~20. Gettlemens is ~10 Some food for thought. Though, he traded 3 draft picks to get Deandre Baker's first round selection. Makes sense, right? You say that JR’s average 1st round draft position is 20 but the 2 players that you mentioned were top 10 picks. Can’t have it both ways. Yeah you can. Thats how it works. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 1, 2021 23:16:12 GMT -5
17-39 thanks Dave
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Post by Speedman on Nov 1, 2021 23:44:53 GMT -5
You say that JR’s average 1st round draft position is 20 but the 2 players that you mentioned were top 10 picks. Can’t have it both ways. Yeah you can. Thats how it works. Maybe in your world. |
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Post by thetruth on Nov 1, 2021 23:48:36 GMT -5
Yeah you can. Thats how it works. Maybe in your world. No math in your world? |
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Post by Speedman on Nov 2, 2021 0:05:40 GMT -5
Last time. You say JR average 1st round draft position 20. You compare 2 top ten picks of JR to DG’s picks. If you don’t see something flawed with that then you are just being a DG hater. |
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