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Post by Jomo on Nov 2, 2021 10:41:36 GMT -5
.....where the owner asks himself, "wtf do I do now?"
And the real problem is that he never has a good answer because he doesn't know what to do next.
The man is useless as CEO.
Firing is just busy work to give the illusion of change. Anyone can do it.
We don't need change, we need thoughtful change with a complete overhaul of how this team evaluates and coaches talent.
We deserve more and better than we've had to endure with him
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 2, 2021 10:48:01 GMT -5
What can you do John (mara?)
1.Pay your brother Fredo 10 million to go away
2.Retire Gettleman
3.Hire Ozzy Newsome to be consultant
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Post by Jomo on Nov 2, 2021 10:50:57 GMT -5
What can you do John (mara?) 1.Pay your brother Fredo 10 million to go away 2.Retire Gettleman 3.Hire Ozzy Newsome to be consultant He might pay Fredo more, expecting a different outcome for the additional dollars. It is said tongue in cheek but this guy's instincts as a CEO are so poor. Our best hope is for Tisch to grow a pair and get through to him. He probably doesn't have any contractual authority to force that issue but if there is some respect between the two, JM might listen. Grasping at straws here... |
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Post by Roswell on Nov 2, 2021 10:53:46 GMT -5
To paraphrase Jack Nicholson’s Joker,
“This team needs an enema.”
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 2, 2021 10:55:30 GMT -5
What can you do John (mara?) 1.Pay your brother Fredo 10 million to go away 2.Retire Gettleman 3.Hire Ozzy Newsome to be consultant He might pay Fredo more, expecting a different outcome for the additional dollars. It is said tongue in cheek but this guy's instincts as a CEO are so poor. Our best hope is for Tisch to grow a pair and get through to him. He probably doesn't have any contractual authority to force that issue but if there is some respect between the two, JM might listen. Grasping at straws here... I think we all are Right now realisticly we as fans have to think of a creative way to publicly embarrass the Maras that can be seen/heard on TV... They can't fly planes over the stadium anymore... "Let's go Brandon " changing Brandon to Mara the entire 1st half is my idea |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 11:02:21 GMT -5
.....where the owner asks himself, "wtf do I do now?" And the real problem is that he never has a good answer because he doesn't know what to do next. The man is useless as CEO. Firing is just busy work to give the illusion of change. Anyone can do it. We don't need change, we need thoughtful change with a complete overhaul of how this team evaluates and coaches talent. We deserve more and better than we've had to endure with him lol, keep cashing those checks and sharing how you care more than the fans. |
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 2, 2021 11:15:29 GMT -5
.....where the owner asks himself, "wtf do I do now?" And the real problem is that he never has a good answer because he doesn't know what to do next. The man is useless as CEO. Firing is just busy work to give the illusion of change. Anyone can do it. We don't need change, we need thoughtful change with a complete overhaul of how this team evaluates and coaches talent. We deserve more and better than we've had to endure with him Perfectly perfectly said. A lot of fans are locked in a fantasy world where the white knight coach is going to get hired and makes everything better. A goal without a plan is a wish. We all want an awesome coach and awesome GM. They’re just wishes, because there’s no plan to stop the Reese/Gettleman/McAdoo/Shurmer/Judge revolving door routine. Just add another name and two more years so we can just keep repeating the same pattern. Fans shouldn’t be calling for a new coach. They should be calling for the Maras and people associated with the family to step back from football operations. Won’t be popular, but if you’d be happy with a new coach and GM, you’re part of the problem. Firings for this franchise are just PR initiatives. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 11:17:37 GMT -5
.....where the owner asks himself, "wtf do I do now?" And the real problem is that he never has a good answer because he doesn't know what to do next. The man is useless as CEO. Firing is just busy work to give the illusion of change. Anyone can do it. We don't need change, we need thoughtful change with a complete overhaul of how this team evaluates and coaches talent. We deserve more and better than we've had to endure with him Perfectly perfectly said. A lot of fans are either locked in a fantasy world where the white knight coach is going to get hired and makes everything better. A goal without a plan is a wish. yup, they all loved Judge coming in. In Judge we trust, players loved him, he’s running the show . . . get out. lol |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 2, 2021 11:32:35 GMT -5
What can you do John (mara?) 1.Pay your brother Fredo 10 million to go away 2.Retire Gettleman 3.Hire Ozzy Newsome to be consultant Instead of paying Fredo, they can do what Michael did to him in GF2 |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 2, 2021 11:35:51 GMT -5
What can you do John (mara?) 1.Pay your brother Fredo 10 million to go away 2.Retire Gettleman 3.Hire Ozzy Newsome to be consultant Instead of paying Fredo, they can do what Michael did to him in GF2 Hmmmmm |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 11:38:36 GMT -5
What can you do John (mara?) 1.Pay your brother Fredo 10 million to go away 2.Retire Gettleman 3.Hire Ozzy Newsome to be consultant Instead of paying Fredo, they can do what Michael did to him in GF2 Their father isn't around to stop it so you maybe on to something.. |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 2, 2021 12:01:55 GMT -5
I think you guys think John Mara is way more involved in football ops than he is. He's not Jerry Jones.
He hires the guy(s) that run the team, in particular the GM. But even in that scenario, he listens to those around him. For DG he brought in Accorsi, the moment that happened, everyone knew it was going to be DG. What really needs to happen is the a change in strategy for picking the person who runs the front office. Since George Young, the GM and head coach have the biggest influences over the team.
We need a better General Manager, and many other things will start taking shape from that. Mara needs to be really, really honest with himself how that process plays out.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 12:05:24 GMT -5
I think you guys think John Mara is way more involved in football ops than he is. He's not Jerry Jones. He hires the guy(s) that run the team, in particular the GM. But even in that scenario, he listens to those around him. For DG he brought in Accorsi, the moment that happened, everyone knew it was going to be DG. What really needs to happen is the a change in strategy for picking the person who runs the front office. Since George Young, the GM and head coach have the biggest influences over the team. We need a better General Manager, and many other things will start taking shape from that. Mara needs to be really, really honest with himself how that process plays out. what else do you think he does all day? |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 2, 2021 12:11:29 GMT -5
I think you guys think John Mara is way more involved in football ops than he is. He's not Jerry Jones. He hires the guy(s) that run the team, in particular the GM. But even in that scenario, he listens to those around him. For DG he brought in Accorsi, the moment that happened, everyone knew it was going to be DG. What really needs to happen is the a change in strategy for picking the person who runs the front office. Since George Young, the GM and head coach have the biggest influences over the team. We need a better General Manager, and many other things will start taking shape from that. Mara needs to be really, really honest with himself how that process plays out. what else do you think he does all day? Who knows. All I can tell you, is John Mara is not my boogieman, neither is his brother. The Giants for a long long long time have had their GM and Head coach as the two most powerful people in the organization that direct how this thing turns out. I think John's worst flaw is not over meddling in football operations, but rather surrounding himself with terrible people to make the right hires for who handles football ops. If Ernie Accorsi or some other old Giant are somehow assisting with the next GM search, I'm going to be pissed. John hasn't made an effective hire since Jerry Reese, in 2007. That's a bad track record. Something about the process needs to change, and I think he loves the Giants enough to recognize that now, even if it took way too long. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 12:24:05 GMT -5
what else do you think he does all day? Who knows. All I can tell you, is John Mara is not my boogieman, neither is his brother. The Giants for a long long long time have had their GM and Head coach as the two most powerful people in the organization that direct how this thing turns out. I think John's worst flaw is not over meddling in football operations, but rather surrounding himself with terrible people to make the right hires for who handles football ops. If Ernie Accorsi or some other old Giant are somehow assisting with the next GM search, I'm going to be pissed. John hasn't made an effective hire since Jerry Reese, in 2007. That's a bad track record. Something about the process needs to change, and I think he loves the Giants enough to recognize that now, even if it took way too long. Halloween is over so i’m not scared of the boogieman anymore. I think Mara meddles a lot. The changing of Coughlin’s coordinators was obvious. Imo, he forced Coughlin out the door. He conveniently was absent when Mac delivered the message to Eli and found a GM who told him what he wanted to hear about resurrecting Eli’s career. Upset over OBJ, i believe he forced that trade. Prematurely, he broadcasted how Barkley would be a Giant for a long while. Coming off an offseason in which the Giants robbed their future cap out of complete desperation, i see no signs Mara has any clue what to do . . . but i believe he will hire his new GM so long as he hears Jones is his QB and Judge is his HC. |
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Post by giants8493 on Nov 2, 2021 12:53:08 GMT -5
What can you do John (mara?) 1.Pay your brother Fredo 10 million to go away 2.Retire Gettleman 3.Hire Ozzy Newsome to be consultant is ozzy available? I would let him have some say. Need a respected outside voice. |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 2, 2021 13:00:50 GMT -5
Who knows. All I can tell you, is John Mara is not my boogieman, neither is his brother. The Giants for a long long long time have had their GM and Head coach as the two most powerful people in the organization that direct how this thing turns out. I think John's worst flaw is not over meddling in football operations, but rather surrounding himself with terrible people to make the right hires for who handles football ops. If Ernie Accorsi or some other old Giant are somehow assisting with the next GM search, I'm going to be pissed. John hasn't made an effective hire since Jerry Reese, in 2007. That's a bad track record. Something about the process needs to change, and I think he loves the Giants enough to recognize that now, even if it took way too long. Halloween is over so i’m not scared of the boogieman anymore. I think Mara meddles a lot. The changing of Coughlin’s coordinators was obvious. Imo, he forced Coughlin out the door. He conveniently was absent when Mac delivered the message to Eli and found a GM who told him what he wanted to hear about resurrecting Eli’s career. Upset over OBJ, i believe he forced that trade. Prematurely, he broadcasted how Barkley would be a Giant for a long while. Coming off an offseason in which the Giants robbed their future cap out of complete desperation, i see no signs Mara has any clue what to do . . . but i believe he will hire his new GM so long as he hears Jones is his QB and Judge is his HC. I don't think he forced change on Coughlin's coordinators. I think that's just what mad fans say when they have nowhere else to look. Also, most fans wanted Gilbride gone. Coughlin, despite appearances, was a progressive coach. He built a hybrid offense with Mac and it was a good offense. It's what he felt was best for his QB that just had thrown 27 interceptions. And really, they were an explosive offense. Mac's alone was much worse. Also, Tom was done. He lost 7 or 8 games in the last 45 seconds of the game in 2015, that's completely unheard of. On the OBJ trade, it's documented that OBJ still has a relationship with him, so I doubt it. Based on what we know, it feels like a very much Shurmur/DG decision, and they got Mara's sign off. We know Shurmur was livid at the ESPN interview. On the Eli benching, I can't defend the Mara, it was very...odd. But I also don't know whether what he said was true. Mac had lost a locker room already and wasn't noted as a great communicator, who are we to say that was communicated to Eli Manning how Mara thought it was going to be? Like most fans, I had no problem benching Eli, but thought it was silly for it to be Geno Smith. They robbed their future cap no more than any other team that backloads contracts and restructures later. There are also often clear outs in contracts, that you don't hear about in the media. I doubt they completely sacrificed their cap. Also, the cap never got as high as it was supposed to be fresh off last year's lockdown season. I doubt that remains to be the case. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 2, 2021 13:02:29 GMT -5
What can you do John (mara?) 1.Pay your brother Fredo 10 million to go away 2.Retire Gettleman 3.Hire Ozzy Newsome to be consultant is ozzy available? I would let him have some say. Need a respected outside voice. Dunno Everyone has a price though |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 13:17:03 GMT -5
(1) I don't think he forced change on Coughlin's coordinators. I think that's just what mad fans say when they have nowhere else to look. Also, most fans wanted Gilbride gone. Coughlin, despite appearances, was a progressive coach. He built a hybrid offense with Mac and it was a good offense. It's what he felt was best for his QB that just had thrown 27 interceptions. And really, they were an explosive offense. Mac's alone was much worse. Also, Tom was done. He lost 7 or 8 games in the last 45 seconds of the game in 2015, that's completely unheard of. (2) On the OBJ trade, it's documented that OBJ still has a relationship with him, so I doubt it. Based on what we know, it feels like a very much Shurmur/DG decision, and they got Mara's sign off. We know Shurmur was livid at the ESPN interview. (3)On the Eli benching, I can't defend the Mara, it was very...odd. But I also don't know whether what he said was true. Mac had lost a locker room already and wasn't noted as a great communicator, who are we to say that was communicated to Eli Manning how Mara thought it was going to be? Like most fans, I had no problem benching Eli, but thought it was silly for it to be Geno Smith. (4)They robbed their future cap no more than any other team that backloads contracts and restructures later. There are also often clear outs in contracts, that you don't hear about in the media. I doubt they completely sacrificed their cap. Also, the cap never got as high as it was supposed to be fresh off last year's lockdown season. I doubt that remains to be the case. 1 - i just don’t see why Coughlin would part ways with coordinators he won Super Bowls with. Mara stormed right past John after his goodbye press conference. I think that said a kot 2 - Mara was in the lockerroom watching OBJ interview with the media after that ESPN fiasco occurred. Mara brought on Gettleman due after he heard what he wanted about Eli. OBJ speaks out about Eli and is gone? Com’on, Mara was a bystander? Who signs a guy only to trade him and wreck their own cap? 3- see above. Brought in Gettleman, moved out OBJ . . . then disappears when the message was sent? What a coward 4 - Going against you 100% here bud. It’s all out there and they crippled their own cap. They are -$8million in effective cap space with a terrible roster no wins to show for it historically. No other team has done this for years. It’s almost impossible to do considering the dollars include the anticipated rise in cap dollars for 2022. It’s all out there. The cap isn’t a secret. |
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 2, 2021 13:22:15 GMT -5
I think you guys think John Mara is way more involved in football ops than he is. He's not Jerry Jones. He hires the guy(s) that run the team, in particular the GM. But even in that scenario, he listens lol to those around him. For DG he brought in Accorsi, the moment that happened, everyone knew it was going to be DG. What really needs to happen is the a change in strategy for picking the person who runs the front office. Since George Young, the GM and head coach have the biggest influences over the team. We need a better General Manager, and many other things will start taking shape from that. Mara needs to be really, really honest with himself how that process plays out. I give it to Mara because when he is involved he doesn’t show well (the Eli benching, he threw everyone under the bus). And there’s been relatively recent noise that other organizations have developed analytic based talent and draft evaluation systems, when asked about it our GM responded “we hired 4 computer folks”. Besides the huge offer that was given to Rhule before he interviewed here,, at least one reporter mentioned he chose Carolina for his first interview based on the perception that the Giants have an out of date franchise compared to most of the NFL (he’s mr analytics, which isn’t an endorsement of Rhule as much as more smoke to this fire that the Giants have become outdated in their front office). Our struggle evaluating talent over 2 GMs would support that that theory. So I don’t think he’s a Jones or Snyder who actually asks for certain plays to be run by OCs. But he has multiple family members (including in-laws) surrounding him in the organization and he’s the common element on more than a decade of bad hires. And they seem to fit this “blue collar tough nosed” narrative that never seems to translate to actual culture on this team. Long story short? He clearly has a blind spot, and I’ve never heard him acknowledge that he’s part of the problem. Every good leader does that. He talks about how disappointed he is. I believe it too. But I don’t think he can see the forest through the trees |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 2, 2021 13:59:02 GMT -5
(1) I don't think he forced change on Coughlin's coordinators. I think that's just what mad fans say when they have nowhere else to look. Also, most fans wanted Gilbride gone. Coughlin, despite appearances, was a progressive coach. He built a hybrid offense with Mac and it was a good offense. It's what he felt was best for his QB that just had thrown 27 interceptions. And really, they were an explosive offense. Mac's alone was much worse. Also, Tom was done. He lost 7 or 8 games in the last 45 seconds of the game in 2015, that's completely unheard of. (2) On the OBJ trade, it's documented that OBJ still has a relationship with him, so I doubt it. Based on what we know, it feels like a very much Shurmur/DG decision, and they got Mara's sign off. We know Shurmur was livid at the ESPN interview. (3)On the Eli benching, I can't defend the Mara, it was very...odd. But I also don't know whether what he said was true. Mac had lost a locker room already and wasn't noted as a great communicator, who are we to say that was communicated to Eli Manning how Mara thought it was going to be? Like most fans, I had no problem benching Eli, but thought it was silly for it to be Geno Smith. (4)They robbed their future cap no more than any other team that backloads contracts and restructures later. There are also often clear outs in contracts, that you don't hear about in the media. I doubt they completely sacrificed their cap. Also, the cap never got as high as it was supposed to be fresh off last year's lockdown season. I doubt that remains to be the case. 1 - i just don’t see why Coughlin would part ways with coordinators he won Super Bowls with. Mara stormed right past John after his goodbye press conference. I think that said a kot 2 - Mara was in the lockerroom watching OBJ interview with the media after that ESPN fiasco occurred. Mara brought on Gettleman due after he heard what he wanted about Eli. OBJ speaks out about Eli and is gone? Com’on, Mara was a bystander? Who signs a guy only to trade him and wreck their own cap? 3- see above. Brought in Gettleman, moved out OBJ . . . then disappears when the message was sent? What a coward 4 - Going against you 100% here bud. It’s all out there and they crippled their own cap. They are -$8million in effective cap space with a terrible roster no wins to show for it historically. No other team has done this for years. It’s almost impossible to do considering the dollars include the anticipated rise in cap dollars for 2022. It’s all out there. The cap isn’t a secret. Brought in Gettleman who gave OBJ the contract...OBJ on record about having a good relationship with Mara, like they still text. OBJ, doesn't have good things to say about Getty and Shurm. And what do you mean moved out, then disappears when the message was sent...genuinely have no clue what you mean. Cap isn't a secret, but the specific structure of contracts is not something we're privy to the details of, unless it's revealed alongside some interesting discussion about a player. We're not going to agree. |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 2, 2021 14:06:19 GMT -5
I think you guys think John Mara is way more involved in football ops than he is. He's not Jerry Jones. He hires the guy(s) that run the team, in particular the GM. But even in that scenario, he listens lol to those around him. For DG he brought in Accorsi, the moment that happened, everyone knew it was going to be DG. What really needs to happen is the a change in strategy for picking the person who runs the front office. Since George Young, the GM and head coach have the biggest influences over the team. We need a better General Manager, and many other things will start taking shape from that. Mara needs to be really, really honest with himself how that process plays out. I give it to Mara because when he is involved he doesn’t show well (the Eli benching, he threw everyone under the bus). And there’s been relatively recent noise that other organizations have developed analytic based talent and draft evaluation systems, when asked about it our GM responded “we hired 4 computer folks”. Besides the huge offer that was given to Rhule before he interviewed here,, at least one reporter mentioned he chose Carolina for his first interview based on the perception that the Giants have an out of date franchise compared to most of the NFL (he’s mr analytics, which isn’t an endorsement of Rhule as much as more smoke to this fire that the Giants have become outdated in their front office). Our struggle evaluating talent over 2 GMs would support that that theory. So I don’t think he’s a Jones or Snyder who actually asks for certain plays to be run by OCs. But he has multiple family members (including in-laws) surrounding him in the organization and he’s the common element on more than a decade of bad hires. And they seem to fit this “blue collar tough nosed” narrative that never seems to translate to actual culture on this team. Long story short? He clearly has a blind spot, and I’ve never heard him acknowledge that he’s part of the problem. Every good leader does that. He talks about how disappointed he is. I believe it too. But I don’t think he can see the forest through the trees I don't like Getty, but the computer folks thing was about IT, not the analytics team. The Giants have an analytics team, every NFL team uses analytics, heavily. I posted it weeks ago, but the Giants have been in analytics longer than most teams. They were the first team in the NFL to tap into PFF's data sets (not their consumer facing grades). There is no one dumber on the analytics front than the sports media. And they prove that every time their only analytics questions are about 4th down. I think Mara is guilty of one thing (but it's the most important thing), he can't hire the most important positions to run this team, the process is flawed for it, and he doesn't surround himself with the right people to make the decisions. Like Accorsi, but why was it him, who had tight ties to the GM leaving, and the GM that came in, the guy leading that search with John Mara? Just poor, poor decision making. If the Giants can land a real general manager and this roster building philosophy evolves, I think things will get much better, maybe even with the current head coach. Or the head coaches influence grows, I don't know. Not saying he's earned that based on record, but I'd like to see a philosophical shift, that's how I know John Mara is doing things differently. So if that's new structure where Judge has additional responsibilities or a GM that's not Kevin Abrams and the search is done not through someone like Ernie Accorsi and we bring in someone not connected to Giants legacy...that's a shred of optimism for me. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 14:10:36 GMT -5
1 - i just don’t see why Coughlin would part ways with coordinators he won Super Bowls with. Mara stormed right past John after his goodbye press conference. I think that said a kot 2 - Mara was in the lockerroom watching OBJ interview with the media after that ESPN fiasco occurred. Mara brought on Gettleman due after he heard what he wanted about Eli. OBJ speaks out about Eli and is gone? Com’on, Mara was a bystander? Who signs a guy only to trade him and wreck their own cap? 3- see above. Brought in Gettleman, moved out OBJ . . . then disappears when the message was sent? What a coward 4 - Going against you 100% here bud. It’s all out there and they crippled their own cap. They are -$8million in effective cap space with a terrible roster no wins to show for it historically. No other team has done this for years. It’s almost impossible to do considering the dollars include the anticipated rise in cap dollars for 2022. It’s all out there. The cap isn’t a secret. Brought in Gettleman who gave OBJ the contract...OBJ on record about having a good relationship with Mara, like they still text. OBJ, doesn't have good things to say about Getty and Shurm. And what do you mean moved out, then disappears when the message was sent...genuinely have no clue what you mean. Cap isn't a secret, but the specific structure of contracts is not something we're privy to the details of, unless it's revealed alongside some interesting discussion about a player. We're not going to agree. The cap is no secret nor is the structure. It’s so easy to follow yet i respectfully have no idea how people still struggle with it. |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 2, 2021 14:13:45 GMT -5
He might pay Fredo more, expecting a different outcome for the additional dollars. It is said tongue in cheek but this guy's instincts as a CEO are so poor. Our best hope is for Tisch to grow a pair and get through to him. He probably doesn't have any contractual authority to force that issue but if there is some respect between the two, JM might listen. Grasping at straws here... I think we all are Right now realisticly we as fans have to think of a creative way to publicly embarrass the Maras that can be seen/heard on TV... They can't fly planes over the stadium anymore... "Let's go Brandon " changing Brandon to Mara the entire 1st half is my idea I do think that the fly overs and burning of tickets outside the stadium had impact, even if it was on Roselle forcing the issue. But that was Wellington and Roselle, not JM and Goodell. |
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Post by Jomo on Nov 2, 2021 14:16:54 GMT -5
.....where the owner asks himself, "wtf do I do now?" And the real problem is that he never has a good answer because he doesn't know what to do next. The man is useless as CEO. Firing is just busy work to give the illusion of change. Anyone can do it. We don't need change, we need thoughtful change with a complete overhaul of how this team evaluates and coaches talent. We deserve more and better than we've had to endure with him Perfectly perfectly said. A lot of fans are locked in a fantasy world where the white knight coach is going to get hired and makes everything better. A goal without a plan is a wish. We all want an awesome coach and awesome GM. They’re just wishes, because there’s no plan to stop the Reese/Gettleman/McAdoo/Shurmer/Judge revolving door routine. Just add another name and two more years so we can just keep repeating the same pattern. Fans shouldn’t be calling for a new coach. They should be calling for the Maras and people associated with the family to step back from football operations. Won’t be popular, but if you’d be happy with a new coach and GM, you’re part of the problem. Firings for this franchise are just PR initiatives. Hiring talent is an inexact science where some do it much better than others. So the first few failures on hiring GMs or HCs can be rationalized rightly or wrongly, no one is 100% on hiring new people. At some point and for us that point was long ago, the common denominator is the man in the mirror, our CEO. |
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Post by vinnie on Nov 2, 2021 14:19:30 GMT -5
In addition to what everyone else in this thread have said, I’m like a few others here and still think Mara had a strong influence, or even mandate, that Jason Garrett be the OC.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 2, 2021 14:23:16 GMT -5
(1) I don't think he forced change on Coughlin's coordinators. I think that's just what mad fans say when they have nowhere else to look. Also, most fans wanted Gilbride gone. Coughlin, despite appearances, was a progressive coach. He built a hybrid offense with Mac and it was a good offense. It's what he felt was best for his QB that just had thrown 27 interceptions. And really, they were an explosive offense. Mac's alone was much worse. Also, Tom was done. He lost 7 or 8 games in the last 45 seconds of the game in 2015, that's completely unheard of. (2) On the OBJ trade, it's documented that OBJ still has a relationship with him, so I doubt it. Based on what we know, it feels like a very much Shurmur/DG decision, and they got Mara's sign off. We know Shurmur was livid at the ESPN interview. (3)On the Eli benching, I can't defend the Mara, it was very...odd. But I also don't know whether what he said was true. Mac had lost a locker room already and wasn't noted as a great communicator, who are we to say that was communicated to Eli Manning how Mara thought it was going to be? Like most fans, I had no problem benching Eli, but thought it was silly for it to be Geno Smith. (4)They robbed their future cap no more than any other team that backloads contracts and restructures later. There are also often clear outs in contracts, that you don't hear about in the media. I doubt they completely sacrificed their cap. Also, the cap never got as high as it was supposed to be fresh off last year's lockdown season. I doubt that remains to be the case. 1 - i just don’t see why Coughlin would part ways with coordinators he won Super Bowls with. Mara stormed right past John after his goodbye press conference. I think that said a kot 2 - Mara was in the lockerroom watching OBJ interview with the media after that ESPN fiasco occurred. Mara brought on Gettleman due after he heard what he wanted about Eli. OBJ speaks out about Eli and is gone? Com’on, Mara was a bystander? Who signs a guy only to trade him and wreck their own cap? 3- see above. Brought in Gettleman, moved out OBJ . . . then disappears when the message was sent? What a coward 4 - Going against you 100% here bud. It’s all out there and they crippled their own cap. They are -$8million in effective cap space with a terrible roster no wins to show for it historically. No other team has done this for years. It’s almost impossible to do considering the dollars include the anticipated rise in cap dollars for 2022. It’s all out there. The cap isn’t a secret. Yes, this is all supporting my assertion that he doesn't know what the **** to do as CEO. You left out his firing of TC but keeping JR on as GM which further disrupted the next regime. The guy is lost and clueless. |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 2, 2021 14:23:36 GMT -5
Brought in Gettleman who gave OBJ the contract...OBJ on record about having a good relationship with Mara, like they still text. OBJ, doesn't have good things to say about Getty and Shurm. And what do you mean moved out, then disappears when the message was sent...genuinely have no clue what you mean. Cap isn't a secret, but the specific structure of contracts is not something we're privy to the details of, unless it's revealed alongside some interesting discussion about a player. We're not going to agree. The cap is no secret nor is the structure. It’s so easy to follow yet i respectfully have no idea how people still struggle with it. I'm not talking about general knowledge of the cap or the structure of the cap as a whole or as a concept, so please please enlighten me. I want to see the specific parameters around potential outs in Golladay, Jackson's, and Rudolph's contracts. Same thing with Leonard Williams. I'd also like to see where it's set in stone around what the actual cap limit is going to be one more year removed from the locked down year. You don't even know what the cap number is going to be next year. There is just as much of a chance that it takes the jump it originally intended to this year, which would guarantee even our general cap situation is just fine - before even getting into the actual details of contracts. And finally, your crystal ball around potential restructures, pay cuts, etc. that you see in the coming years. Thanks. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 2, 2021 14:32:09 GMT -5
The cap is no secret nor is the structure. It’s so easy to follow yet i respectfully have no idea how people still struggle with it. I'm not talking about general knowledge of the cap or the structure of the cap as a whole or as a concept, so please please enlighten me. I want to see the specific parameters around potential outs in Golladay, Jackson's, and Rudolph's contracts. Same thing with Leonard Williams. I'd also like to see where it's set in stone around what the actual cap limit is going to be one more year removed from the locked down year. You don't even know what the cap number is going to be next year. There is just as much of a chance that it takes the jump it originally intended to this year, which would guarantee even our general cap situation is just fine - before even getting into the actual details of contracts. And finally, your crystal ball around potential restructures, pay cuts, etc. that you see in the coming years. Thanks. No need for a crystal ball. It’s all out there. Play with the numbers all you like. Also, select cap space at the top and look at the Giants vs the rest of the league . . . then play with the numbers. It’s ridiculous |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 2, 2021 14:50:24 GMT -5
Just an awful team with zero expectations. The old Browns. The Jags. The Lions. The Jets. And the Giants. Bottom feeders of the NFL.
Its been basically a decade of miserable football with one year of fun, defensively.
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