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Post by DJones19 on Nov 27, 2021 1:43:11 GMT -5
Pulling fake guns on people, skipping OTA’s, can’t take the heat from the media, always hurt, what could go wrong? ..and dumb tweets. He recently retweeted Ochocinco regarding how he’s used in the offense. Joe Judge likes to call Toney smart though…maybe I’m missing something but Toney hasn’t given me much reasons to be optimistic about him other than being a decent gadget player.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 27, 2021 8:15:04 GMT -5
Pulling fake guns on people, skipping OTA’s, can’t take the heat from the media, always hurt, what could go wrong? ..and dumb tweets. He recently retweeted Ochocinco regarding how he’s used in the offense. Joe Judge likes to call Toney smart though…maybe I’m missing something but Toney hasn’t given me much reasons to be optimistic about him other than being a decent gadget player. Judge has had to defend and talk about Toney’s social media, skipping OTA’s, etc habits more than anything positive he’s done on the field. I’m sure that’s what all coaches envision when they draft a player. Of course, this is on Judge too, by most accounts he is just as guilty for drafting Toney as DG. Judge brought this upon himself.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 27, 2021 9:47:35 GMT -5
If we took Slater or Parsons they’d be killing Gettleman for not making the trade. Lol, said no one but you. Pretty sure you’re not even a Giants fan. Yeah Mike, everyone would be killing DG for picking a guy that will most likley not only get Rookie of the Year but Defensive Player of the Year. Where do you come up with this trash unless you’re trolling? Just give me ONE example of who DG has drafted that is either in Slater or Parsons league and fans have bashed DG for. Just one. Maybe Thomas at the beginning because he sucked, so who has played as well as Parsons or Slater as a rookie that DG has even drafted? Let alone fans have bashed him for? Of course this is like arguing with a brick wall, or my dog, because not once have you ever admitted DG is a shitty GM. Not a single time. It’s almost like you purposely say the most ridiculous shit just to piss off every Giants fan here and see you who can get banned for calling you out. I’m sure you won’t answer eiter question, as usual, you’ll just ignore it and keep making ridiculous comments. No, it just seems to be you... But these meltdowns you have where you go ballistic on 10 different topics are always entertaining. It’s called "sarcasm", so don't blame me if you get banned. It’s not my problem you’re a grown man who can't keep his emotions under control while discussing a simple game.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 27, 2021 9:50:24 GMT -5
In other news, Parsons and Slater are having great rookie seasons. With friends like Gettleman, who needs enemies.. To be fair many people said great trade 6 months ago. Many people are idiots. Fair trade or not, we lost out on selecting a franchise player. You don’t make that mistake, and brag about potential lottery tickets.
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Post by Nite on Nov 27, 2021 9:57:17 GMT -5
Moore and Smith are playing regularly...
Our 1st rd is not...
Incompetence is who we are..
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 27, 2021 12:03:43 GMT -5
To be fair many people said great trade 6 months ago. Many people are idiots. Fair trade or not, we lost out on selecting a franchise player. You don’t make that mistake, and brag about potential lottery tickets. Well right now I agree with you. Back then many fans and "experts" said great trade but look at our oline. UGH.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 27, 2021 12:09:00 GMT -5
Why is that people think GMs can predict injuries?? Has to do more with the nutrionalists, trainers and the coaching staff. Giants always have injuries to key players, ALWAYS.
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Post by mendy on Nov 27, 2021 12:12:16 GMT -5
In other news, Parsons and Slater are having great rookie seasons. With friends like Gettleman, who needs enemies.. To be fair many people said great trade 6 months ago. Yes,,yet will not admit to it.
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Post by krappdetector on Nov 27, 2021 12:29:57 GMT -5
In other news, Parsons and Slater are having great rookie seasons. With friends like Gettleman, who needs enemies.. Glad I read thru the thread before I Posted the SAME GODDAMN THING. How many reliable quality starters have we drafted since that misbegotten 2018 set us on a path to nowhere?
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 27, 2021 12:35:44 GMT -5
Why is that people think GMs can predict injuries?? Has to do more with the nutrionalists, trainers and the coaching staff. Giants always have injuries to key players, ALWAYS. No need for predictions at all. You draft/sign guys that have significant injury histories and then act surprised when they continue to have injury issues when they get to your team. Just dumb
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Post by SG88 on Nov 27, 2021 12:46:33 GMT -5
Lol, said no one but you. Pretty sure you’re not even a Giants fan. Yeah Mike, everyone would be killing DG for picking a guy that will most likley not only get Rookie of the Year but Defensive Player of the Year. Where do you come up with this trash unless you’re trolling? Just give me ONE example of who DG has drafted that is either in Slater or Parsons league and fans have bashed DG for. Just one. Maybe Thomas at the beginning because he sucked, so who has played as well as Parsons or Slater as a rookie that DG has even drafted? Let alone fans have bashed him for? Of course this is like arguing with a brick wall, or my dog, because not once have you ever admitted DG is a shitty GM. Not a single time. It’s almost like you purposely say the most ridiculous shit just to piss off every Giants fan here and see you who can get banned for calling you out. I’m sure you won’t answer eiter question, as usual, you’ll just ignore it and keep making ridiculous comments. You're talking to the guy who said Slater would be our 4th OT in the depth chart or a back up guard to Lemieux and Hernandez. And someone who wouldn't have any impact his rookie year. Pretty sure he's just projecting. Did he really say all of that? Seriously, some people say silly things to justify the decisions that their team make.
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Post by krappdetector on Nov 27, 2021 12:47:35 GMT -5
To be fair many people said great trade 6 months ago. Yes,,yet will not admit to it. The trade WAS fair... that has not been at issue. The real question is will it have been WORTH it? Based on our record with DG what should we expect?
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Post by lasion2 on Nov 27, 2021 12:49:28 GMT -5
Yet Ronnie Barnes is still employed here ... That thread on the old board is where YA and I had a pretty big falling out. Basically called me a know nothing A-hole at a time in my life where I was a DPT and a CSCS. lol. Anywho, I don’t know what Barnes is doing. I admit that, but if I had to guess he’s doing the same outdated bs everyone in the organization is doing. Systemic.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 27, 2021 12:52:10 GMT -5
Yes,,yet will not admit to it. The trade WAS fair... that has not been at issue. The real question is will it have been WORTH it? Based on our record with DG what should we expect? If Gettleman is making the picks who knows
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 27, 2021 12:53:13 GMT -5
Yet Ronnie Barnes is still employed here ... That thread on the old board is where YA and I had a pretty big falling out. Basically called me a know nothing A-hole at a time in my life where I was a DPT and a CSCS. lol. Anywho, I don’t know what Barnes is doing. I admit that, but if I had to guess he’s doing the same outdated bs everyone in the organization is doing. Systemic. Saying anything bad about Barnes is heresy around here ,yet people want to get away from everything "The Giants way " (and rightfully so )
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 27, 2021 12:53:30 GMT -5
Many people are idiots. Fair trade or not, we lost out on selecting a franchise player. You don’t make that mistake, and brag about potential lottery tickets. Well right now I agree with you. Back then many fans and "experts" said great trade but look at our oline. UGH. Back then people thought the world was flat too.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 27, 2021 12:54:27 GMT -5
Well right now I agree with you. Back then many fans and "experts" said great trade but look at our oline. UGH. Back then people thought the world was flat too. How many people thought the world was flat in 2020?
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 27, 2021 13:05:07 GMT -5
Back then people thought the world was flat too. How many people thought the world was flat in 2020? Not sure. I tend to stay clear of the mentally insane. Point being, people will believe in anything. Instead of looking at the facts that are presented, they listen to what others tell them to think.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 27, 2021 13:16:58 GMT -5
How many people thought the world was flat in 2020? Not sure. I tend to stay clear of the mentally insane. Point being, people will believe in anything. Instead of looking at the facts that are presented, they listen to what others tell them to think. Now we have hindsight but at that time people did not. I was surprised because I figured DG would want the best team this year. I will say that all week they said DG has never traded back so I wondered if that would push him to trade back
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 27, 2021 13:18:49 GMT -5
Yet Ronnie Barnes is still employed here ... That thread on the old board is where YA and I had a pretty big falling out. Basically called me a know nothing A-hole at a time in my life where I was a DPT and a CSCS. lol. Anywho, I don’t know what Barnes is doing. I admit that, but if I had to guess he’s doing the same outdated bs everyone in the organization is doing. Systemic. Well, YA was exposed for lying about his background last time he was here and then deleted his account. I wouldn’t sweat anything he said.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 27, 2021 13:28:11 GMT -5
Why is that people think GMs can predict injuries?? Has to do more with the nutrionalists, trainers and the coaching staff. Giants always have injuries to key players, ALWAYS. No need for predictions at all. You draft/sign guys that have significant injury histories and then act surprised when they continue to have injury issues when they get to your team. Just dumb And what about players with little injury history that all of a sudden become permanent fixtures on the injury list? I'm obviously not talking about players that are constantly injured. Was Toney CONSTANTLY hurt in college? I honestly don't know. I thought he wasn't though 🤔
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 27, 2021 13:33:53 GMT -5
Not sure. I tend to stay clear of the mentally insane. Point being, people will believe in anything. Instead of looking at the facts that are presented, they listen to what others tell them to think. Now we have hindsight but at that time people did not. I was surprised because I figured DG would want the best team this year. I will say that all week they said DG has never traded back so I wondered if that would push him to trade back It’s not hindsight when I was dead against it from the start. Two 1st round picks next year is great.. on paper. But, what does it do for us this year? Cowboys got a game changer at linebacker. And the Chargers got a franchise left tackle. We got Dante Hall with a bad wheel. This isn’t about Toney, it’s about the gross negligence from our front office. Look no further then the chumps in suits who build this team.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 27, 2021 14:03:47 GMT -5
No need for predictions at all. You draft/sign guys that have significant injury histories and then act surprised when they continue to have injury issues when they get to your team. Just dumb And what about players with little injury history that all of a sudden become permanent fixtures on the injury list? I'm obviously not talking about players that are constantly injured. Was Toney CONSTANTLY hurt in college? I honestly don't know. I thought he wasn't though 🤔 In the scenario that you describe, I wouldn’t blame the team, with one exception…RB … since the likelihood of a RB staying consistently healthy over the long term is low (which is why you don’t build a team around a RB).
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 27, 2021 14:27:21 GMT -5
This shouldn't surprise anyone, this is who he was in college. Just like we shouldn't be surprised with Golladay missing several games and Ross missing games due to injury. This is part of their history.
Players who are injury prone are similar to players (especially QBs) who are turnover prone. They usually continue to be so. Not always, but more often than not.
At this point in time, and this could change based on the result of that extra 1st round pick, it appears Parsons was the pick. A defense still without a consistent pass rush would look much differently with Parsons on it.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 27, 2021 15:12:40 GMT -5
And what about players with little injury history that all of a sudden become permanent fixtures on the injury list? I'm obviously not talking about players that are constantly injured. Was Toney CONSTANTLY hurt in college? I honestly don't know. I thought he wasn't though 🤔 In the scenario that you describe, I wouldn’t blame the team, with one exception…RB … since the likelihood of a RB staying consistently healthy over the long term is low (which is why you don’t build a team around a RB). Good point, I agree. I liked the Barkley pick because his skill set was both RB and kind of a gadget player. In college he was very good in the pass game and was used in a plethora of ways. I saw that as almost a dual WR/RB type of player. The giants have used him horribly though aside from the 2nd half of his rookie year. I think he needs to be lined up at WR much more often, split wide. But how often have we seen that? And the last two years he obviously can't stay on the field. I also hate how the giants neglect their other RBs when he's healthy. Two coaching staffs have done that. Maybe it's Mara interfering? As you said, stupid to make one RB the focal point of your offense.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 27, 2021 16:16:14 GMT -5
In the scenario that you describe, I wouldn’t blame the team, with one exception…RB … since the likelihood of a RB staying consistently healthy over the long term is low (which is why you don’t build a team around a RB). Good point, I agree. I liked the Barkley pick because his skill set was both RB and kind of a gadget player. In college he was very good in the pass game and was used in a plethora of ways. I saw that as almost a dual WR/RB type of player. The giants have used him horribly though aside from the 2nd half of his rookie year. I think he needs to be lined up at WR much more often, split wide. But how often have we seen that? And the last two years he obviously can't stay on the field. I also hate how the giants neglect their other RBs when he's healthy. Two coaching staffs have done that. Maybe it's Mara interfering? As you said, stupid to make one RB the focal point of your offense. We have misused playmakers other than Odell since 2016..... 3 coaches... Judge Tell me what a player can do... I see every other team and watching Michigan earlier many college teams design plays for what players can do... But This reeks "The Giants Way " again,which I really hope I'm 100% wrong because this confirms my most frightening fears
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Post by Jomo on Nov 27, 2021 16:44:14 GMT -5
Good point, I agree. I liked the Barkley pick because his skill set was both RB and kind of a gadget player. In college he was very good in the pass game and was used in a plethora of ways. I saw that as almost a dual WR/RB type of player. The giants have used him horribly though aside from the 2nd half of his rookie year. I think he needs to be lined up at WR much more often, split wide. But how often have we seen that? And the last two years he obviously can't stay on the field. I also hate how the giants neglect their other RBs when he's healthy. Two coaching staffs have done that. Maybe it's Mara interfering? As you said, stupid to make one RB the focal point of your offense. We have misused playmakers other than Odell since 2016..... 3 coaches... Judge Tell me what a player can do... I see every other team and watching Michigan earlier many college teams design plays for what players can do... But This reeks "The Giants Way " again,which I really hope I'm 100% wrong because this confirms my most frightening fears The Giants Way = The wrong way, JM should heed the words of Jerry Seinfeld and George Costanza: "If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right."
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Post by McCherry on Nov 27, 2021 16:51:00 GMT -5
No need for predictions at all. You draft/sign guys that have significant injury histories and then act surprised when they continue to have injury issues when they get to your team. Just dumb And what about players with little injury history that all of a sudden become permanent fixtures on the injury list? I'm obviously not talking about players that are constantly injured. Was Toney CONSTANTLY hurt in college? I honestly don't know. I thought he wasn't though 🤔 Justin Tuck was hurt in college and his rookie season. Strahan, Toomer, Barber, Nicks, Manningham, Beckham all missed games as rookies. I wouldn’t label a rookie halfway through his season. Anyone can get hurt anytime.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 27, 2021 17:14:59 GMT -5
Now we have hindsight but at that time people did not. I was surprised because I figured DG would want the best team this year. I will say that all week they said DG has never traded back so I wondered if that would push him to trade back It’s not hindsight when I was dead against it from the start. Two 1st round picks next year is great.. on paper. But, what does it do for us this year? Cowboys got a game changer at linebacker. And the Chargers got a franchise left tackle. We got Dante Hall with a bad wheel. This isn’t about Toney, it’s about the gross negligence from our front office. Look no further then the chumps in suits who build this team. I was against it but not because I knew how good Slater would be. I was against it because I feel like I prefer planning for today. Who knows what will be tomorrow. Now with that said some might say DG did an unselfish thing. He may not be here next season when we use that extra 1st round pick. I do wish we went for Slater but that is just because I realize we are not going anywhere until this oline is fixed. Going in to this season with this oline was beyond a huge mistake. Whether by draft, FA, or trade the oline had to be fixed. Its like going in to the season with a car with 2 blown out tires. It just never made any sense.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 28, 2021 8:38:28 GMT -5
Lol, said no one but you. Pretty sure you’re not even a Giants fan. Yeah Mike, everyone would be killing DG for picking a guy that will most likley not only get Rookie of the Year but Defensive Player of the Year. Where do you come up with this trash unless you’re trolling? Just give me ONE example of who DG has drafted that is either in Slater or Parsons league and fans have bashed DG for. Just one. Maybe Thomas at the beginning because he sucked, so who has played as well as Parsons or Slater as a rookie that DG has even drafted? Let alone fans have bashed him for? Of course this is like arguing with a brick wall, or my dog, because not once have you ever admitted DG is a shitty GM. Not a single time. It’s almost like you purposely say the most ridiculous shit just to piss off every Giants fan here and see you who can get banned for calling you out. I’m sure you won’t answer eiter question, as usual, you’ll just ignore it and keep making ridiculous comments. No, it just seems to be you... But these meltdowns you have where you go ballistic on 10 different topics are always entertaining. It’s called "sarcasm", so don't blame me if you get banned. It’s not my problem you’re a grown man who can't keep his emotions under control while discussing a simple game. Whatever you say Mike. Either you don’t understand the game or are trolling, probably both.
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