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Post by fifthavephil on Nov 26, 2021 15:41:29 GMT -5
This off season , Jimmy Garrapolo will be available. Trey Lance will be the Niner’s starting ( next season ) QB. Giants have two number three picks. Giants can trade one of there third round pick . My premise on Garrapolo , is the Giants give up a third round pick only. A pick where they have no success picking a long term player. Garrapolo would ( maybe ) be the best QB, in the NFC EAST. Another,QB that is possibly is Derek Carr. His contract is up at season end. Raiders, may resign Carr or sign and trade. A third round pick or Jones for Carr trade. Again, Carr would be the best QB in the NFC East. Giants can legitimately contend for a Playoff spot. Plus, , Giants keep all there high draft picks.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 15:51:16 GMT -5
This off season , Jimmy Garrapolo will be available. Trey Lance will be the Niner’s starting ( next season ) QB. Giants have two number three picks. Giants can trade one of there third round pick . My premise on Garrapolo , is the Giants give up a third round pick only. A pick where they have no success picking a long term player. Garrapolo would ( maybe ) be the best QB, in the NFC EAST. Another,QB that is possibly is Derek Carr. His contract is up at season end. Raiders, may resign Carr or sign and trade. A third round pick or Jones for Carr trade. Again, Carr would be the best QB in the NFC East. Giants can legitimately contend for a Playoff spot. Plus, , Giants keep all there jigh draft picks. We can't afford his cap hit. Also You can't assume we are not going to change our luck with 3rd round picks at some point,which we actually need . I get it,some of you are anyone but Jones right now,some of you were looking for this chance ever since he was drafted.Instant gratification We have seen what instant gratification got us (the guy who hand picked Jones fired after a year,Garrett,),instant gratification gets you Kotite,or disastrous what looks to be quick fixes that end up making things much worse longer term... I need to stress again we are not a qb away,these guys won't move our meter much and not only make our now bad cap situation worse but put us out of reach to possibly trade up in 2023 for a guy like Bryce Young unless we trade 3 years of all of our draft picks or something. And this is again on the elderly Lobstah Boy who built this team like it was 1979(and a piss poor attempt at that )and forgot you have to know what you have as a qb in 3 or at most 4 years in the 2020s..
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Post by giantsalmon on Nov 26, 2021 16:00:30 GMT -5
Wilson has lost a step and doesn't even look good this year...and how much is he going to cost? Not interested in Watson...seemed like the guy wanted to be treated like royalty and be a part time GM for the team. Then add the legal issues. The NY media would have a field day. If that avatar photo you have wasn't taken BEFORE Solder "mailed it in" during the game, I want him cut immediately.
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Post by fifthavephil on Nov 26, 2021 16:18:08 GMT -5
My premise on Garrapolo , is the Giants give up a third round pick only. A pick where they have no success picking a long term player. Garrapolo would ( maybe ) be the best QB, in the NFC EAST. Another,QB that is possibly is Derek Carr. His contract is up at season end. Raiders, may resign Carr or sign and trade. A third round pick or Jones for Carr trade. Again, Carr would be the best QB in the NFC East. Giants can legitimately contend for a Playoff spot. Plus, , Giants keep all there jigh draft picks. We can't afford his cap hit. Also You can't assume we are not going to change our luck with 3rd round picks at some point,which we actually need . I get it,some of you are anyone but Jones right now,some of you were looking for this chance ever since he was drafted.Instant gratification We have seen what instant gratification got us (the guy who hand picked Jones fired after a year,Garrett,),instant gratification gets you Kotite,or disastrous what looks to be quick fixes that end up making things much worse longer term... I need to stress again we are not a qb away,these guys won't move our meter much and not only make our now bad cap situation worse but put us out of reach to possibly trade up in 2023 for a guy like Bryce Young unless we trade 3 years of all of our draft picks or something. And this is again on the elderly Lobstah Boy who built this team like it was 1979(and a piss poor attempt at that )and forgot you have to know what you have as a qb in 3 or at most 4 years in the 2020s.. Both, Garrapolo and Carr have made their big money. Both , want to be recognized as a winning QB. Each one would be willing ( like Brady ) to accept a 20 - 22 million a year contract.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 16:25:11 GMT -5
We can't afford his cap hit. Also You can't assume we are not going to change our luck with 3rd round picks at some point,which we actually need . I get it,some of you are anyone but Jones right now,some of you were looking for this chance ever since he was drafted.Instant gratification We have seen what instant gratification got us (the guy who hand picked Jones fired after a year,Garrett,),instant gratification gets you Kotite,or disastrous what looks to be quick fixes that end up making things much worse longer term... I need to stress again we are not a qb away,these guys won't move our meter much and not only make our now bad cap situation worse but put us out of reach to possibly trade up in 2023 for a guy like Bryce Young unless we trade 3 years of all of our draft picks or something. And this is again on the elderly Lobstah Boy who built this team like it was 1979(and a piss poor attempt at that )and forgot you have to know what you have as a qb in 3 or at most 4 years in the 2020s.. Both, Garrapolo and Carr have made their big money. Both , want to be recognized as a winning QB. Each one would be willing ( like Brady ) to accept a 20 - 22 million a year contract. We can't afford 20 million for a qb that hasn't shown he can be a winner,no cap room. Good sound franchises don't make panic moves like this when they are not a qb away to appease a loud segment of the fan base who want instant gratification
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 16:26:07 GMT -5
Wilson has lost a step and doesn't even look good this year...and how much is he going to cost? Not interested in Watson...seemed like the guy wanted to be treated like royalty and be a part time GM for the team. Then add the legal issues. The NY media would have a field day. If that avatar photo you have wasn't taken BEFORE Solder "mailed it in" during the game, I want him cut immediately. Who cares when that photo was taken Solder needs to be benched the rest of the year unless needed because of injury
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 26, 2021 16:50:08 GMT -5
I say we continue to build the team properly, and keep DJ for the last year of his rookie deal (I'm assuming we won't pick up the option year of course). I think our cap position opens up a bit in 2023 as well.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 26, 2021 17:30:52 GMT -5
It is funny that most people know this team will never win with this line but we talk about fixing the running game and passing game before fixing the line.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2021 17:47:55 GMT -5
This off season , Jimmy Garrapolo will be available. Trey Lance will be the Niner’s starting ( next season ) QB. Giants have two number three picks. Giants can trade one of there third round pick . My premise on Garrapolo , is the Giants give up a third round pick only. A pick where they have no success picking a long term player. Garrapolo would ( maybe ) be the best QB, in the NFC EAST. Another,QB that is possibly is Derek Carr. His contract is up at season end. Raiders, may resign Carr or sign and trade. A third round pick or Jones for Carr trade. Again, Carr would be the best QB in the NFC East. Giants can legitimately contend for a Playoff spot. Plus, , Giants keep all there high draft picks. I don't think I could disagree more. imo neither od those QBs can take a team any further than it could go with a serviceable average QB. If the Giants picked up Garrappolo I doubt he'd be the best QB on the Giants let alone the NFCE. And Carr is also not a QB that is taking a franchise anywhere. He too would struggle to be the best QB on the Giants, not that the NFCE QBs are all that good. IMO it's Pescott and the others. None of whom have distinguished themselves yet.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2021 17:50:04 GMT -5
We can't afford his cap hit. Also You can't assume we are not going to change our luck with 3rd round picks at some point,which we actually need . I get it,some of you are anyone but Jones right now,some of you were looking for this chance ever since he was drafted.Instant gratification We have seen what instant gratification got us (the guy who hand picked Jones fired after a year,Garrett,),instant gratification gets you Kotite,or disastrous what looks to be quick fixes that end up making things much worse longer term... I need to stress again we are not a qb away,these guys won't move our meter much and not only make our now bad cap situation worse but put us out of reach to possibly trade up in 2023 for a guy like Bryce Young unless we trade 3 years of all of our draft picks or something. And this is again on the elderly Lobstah Boy who built this team like it was 1979(and a piss poor attempt at that )and forgot you have to know what you have as a qb in 3 or at most 4 years in the 2020s.. Both, Garrapolo and Carr have made their big money. Both , want to be recognized as a winning QB. Each one would be willing ( like Brady ) to accept a 20 - 22 million a year contract. Neither had the ability to move a franchise. Brady went to a team that was solidi in every phase but QB and ready to win now. The Giants are far from that.
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 26, 2021 19:23:07 GMT -5
Both, Garrapolo and Carr have made their big money. Both , want to be recognized as a winning QB. Each one would be willing ( like Brady ) to accept a 20 - 22 million a year contract. Neither had the ability to move a franchise. Brady went to a team that was solidi in every phase but QB and ready to win now. The Giants are far from that. which is why I would simply stick with DJ next year, it's the economics, along with general state of the team.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 19:30:02 GMT -5
Neither had the ability to move a franchise. Brady went to a team that was solidi in every phase but QB and ready to win now. The Giants are far from that. which is why I would simply stick with DJ next year, it's the economics, along with general state of the team. Exactly It's making a potentially bad situation 100 times worse
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Post by GameTime on Nov 26, 2021 19:52:20 GMT -5
No Watson....too much BS
I have given up on Jones.
Wilson....stop gap for a few years maybe bit who knows
The Giants are in a state of flux and once again.
This thread is asking about QBs and I dont see Judge being here next season at the rate he is going.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 19:52:54 GMT -5
one that wants to win. I mean there are plenty of guys in the league or who were in the league who have done worst and got 2nd and third chances. I just had to look up what he actually did because I heard ofcourse initially. Ok I will say from what I just read, let me copy and paste: allege Watson forced two women to perform oral sex, ejaculated on three women and in front of three others, groped four women and kissed another woman unprompted upon arrival for a massage. Ok yeah some of those things you can't do, but it's alleged. In my opinion the other things are things I'm sure shit more than half of this society does I mean to each their own on how much of a fetish you are lol. The thing is rather someone is guilty or not in this world today especially, I know there will be piling on in some instances where people who have dealt with someone and see an oppurtunity to get a payday, heck yeah they are going to throw there name in the hat. It could've been totally consensual but nawwwww. Do I think he's a bad guy for that, no in my opinion because like I said I know men and what men do. Like I said some of the other stuff you can't do and but we know also that in the context of the allegations, it could've been a situation where it was a flirt on both sides and then the man is just aggressive in his wanting to go further. Or heck even if just a tad aggressive as men do what they do to get what they want and it could be in an innocent way so to speak but ofcourse a woman can pursue something out of that if they feel they have a chance. So yeah I'm sure there are a lot of people on this board who will have different feelings about the situation and that's my take and my opinion on the matter and on life in general. GM's have taken on situations before that were questionable and the real answer is if he goes somewhere and wins and especially brings a title, a lot of stuff will be forgiven because that's society, human nature, and frankly the way things are especially in sports and winning masks a lot of shit that it wouldn't otherwise do. Does it make it right , well that depends on what you as an individual believes one way or another; everyone's different! Miami backed out of their deal with Houston because of doubt with whether this would be resolved for a while Ask yourself this I think Houston wanted at least 3 first round picks and Tua plus.... If you are a GM and there is a real chance you could be without the guy you just mortgaged your entire future for could be good for possibly 2 years if convicted plus a suspension....would you do this? Nevemind like above we don't have cap room for this ... I understand fans are frustrated but doing things completely out of haste for instant gratification usually ends up making things much worse in the long run.Fans don't want to hear this but unfortunately right now the sane and right thing to do is stay the course with Jones for 2022 and do everything else to make it where either he steps up (as unlikely as it looks now it could change,how many fans were wanting to run Eli out of town vs Minnesota in 2007,year 4?)or we are good enough to be a qb away and make the move for a guy in 2023(if there was a way to get Detroit's 2023 1st round pick I'd mortgage whatever because that and ours could be enough to ensure Bryce Young) I said in my OP that I'd love to have Watson but I'm not sure or either I said I'm sure I wouldn't want to give up the farm to get him as he'd be just too expensive. I said at the end the best course for me would be riding DJ out for next year and pretty much knowing the line will/shall be fixed and us being blessed on the injury front next year, then he has no excuses and that will be his make it or break the heck outta NY?
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 19:56:14 GMT -5
I agree with what most are saying. Wilson I also think his best years are behind him. These are the years injuries start showing up. This year could be just be the beginning of the end. Watson is a mental headache. I don't trust him there is always some issue with him. And now these charges after law enforcement the league could still impose punishment. And we would give up a kings ransom to get him ? Give me a break. Jones doesn't seem to be anywhere near the answer. But only his 4th year next year on rookie contract. No option year for him. But keep him in place for next year. You want a mid level vet QB from FA to compete fine. 1 year cheap. I don't want to give up those early 1st rd picks next year and whatever else it would take. I'm going that old philosophy of build the team then drop the QB in there. At this point I believe it's our best chance to succeed. What is/are the other issue(s)?
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 19:57:30 GMT -5
one that wants to win. I mean there are plenty of guys in the league or who were in the league who have done worst and got 2nd and third chances. I just had to look up what he actually did because I heard ofcourse initially. Ok I will say from what I just read, let me copy and paste: allege Watson forced two women to perform oral sex, ejaculated on three women and in front of three others, groped four women and kissed another woman unprompted upon arrival for a massage. Ok yeah some of those things you can't do, but it's alleged. In my opinion the other things are things I'm sure shit more than half of this society does I mean to each their own on how much of a fetish you are lol. The thing is rather someone is guilty or not in this world today especially, I know there will be piling on in some instances where people who have dealt with someone and see an oppurtunity to get a payday, heck yeah they are going to throw there name in the hat. It could've been totally consensual but nawwwww. Do I think he's a bad guy for that, no in my opinion because like I said I know men and what men do. Like I said some of the other stuff you can't do and but we know also that in the context of the allegations, it could've been a situation where it was a flirt on both sides and then the man is just aggressive in his wanting to go further. Or heck even if just a tad aggressive as men do what they do to get what they want and it could be in an innocent way so to speak but ofcourse a woman can pursue something out of that if they feel they have a chance. So yeah I'm sure there are a lot of people on this board who will have different feelings about the situation and that's my take and my opinion on the matter and on life in general. GM's have taken on situations before that were questionable and the real answer is if he goes somewhere and wins and especially brings a title, a lot of stuff will be forgiven because that's society, human nature, and frankly the way things are especially in sports and winning masks a lot of shit that it wouldn't otherwise do. Does it make it right , well that depends on what you as an individual believes one way or another; everyone's different! He is a law suit waiting to happen. The FO does not need that. The NY press would run him out of town in an hour. **** the NY press. He's here to play football. Let them ask all the questions they want and he can choose to answer if he wants or not.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 19:59:24 GMT -5
This off season , Jimmy Garrapolo will be available. Trey Lance will be the Niner’s starting ( next season ) QB. Giants have two number three picks. Giants can trade one of there third round pick . My premise on Garrapolo , is the Giants give up a third round pick only. A pick where they have no success picking a long term player. Garrapolo would ( maybe ) be the best QB, in the NFC EAST. Another,QB that is possibly is Derek Carr. His contract is up at season end. Raiders, may resign Carr or sign and trade. A third round pick or Jones for Carr trade. Again, Carr would be the best QB in the NFC East. Giants can legitimately contend for a Playoff spot. Plus, , Giants keep all there high draft picks. I could probably roll with either of this...
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 26, 2021 20:24:40 GMT -5
What GM in their right mind wants Watson with his baggage. one that wants to win. I mean there are plenty of guys in the league or who were in the league who have done worst and got 2nd and third chances. I just had to look up what he actually did because I heard ofcourse initially. Ok I will say from what I just read, let me copy and paste: allege Watson forced two women to perform oral sex, ejaculated on three women and in front of three others, groped four women and kissed another woman unprompted upon arrival for a massage. Ok yeah some of those things you can't do, but it's alleged. In my opinion the other things are things I'm sure shit more than half of this society does I mean to each their own on how much of a fetish you are lol. The thing is rather someone is guilty or not in this world today especially, I know there will be piling on in some instances where people who have dealt with someone and see an oppurtunity to get a payday, heck yeah they are going to throw there name in the hat. It could've been totally consensual but nawwwww. Do I think he's a bad guy for that, no in my opinion because like I said I know men and what men do. Like I said some of the other stuff you can't do and but we know also that in the context of the allegations, it could've been a situation where it was a flirt on both sides and then the man is just aggressive in his wanting to go further. Or heck even if just a tad aggressive as men do what they do to get what they want and it could be in an innocent way so to speak but ofcourse a woman can pursue something out of that if they feel they have a chance. So yeah I'm sure there are a lot of people on this board who will have different feelings about the situation and that's my take and my opinion on the matter and on life in general. GM's have taken on situations before that were questionable and the real answer is if he goes somewhere and wins and especially brings a title, a lot of stuff will be forgiven because that's society, human nature, and frankly the way things are especially in sports and winning masks a lot of shit that it wouldn't otherwise do. Does it make it right , well that depends on what you as an individual believes one way or another; everyone's different! GM I'm sorry I have to disagree with you big time. Take a deep breath and ask yourself do you want Watson ? What does forcing 2 women to perform oral sex mean to you ? Could that be a form of rape ? Do you think this man would be a good leader for your team ? IMHO Watson should be suspended from the league indefinitely. But beside that do you want to pay this man 40 mil plus a year ? Do you want to give up all those 1st rd picks for him ? Before these charges there was always something with him, arguing with his coaches, supposedly him and teammates yelling at one another splitting the locker room, arguing with FO publicaly. Now maybe each of these things aren't over the top seperately but together theres always a problem' I just disagree MG, I don't want him.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 26, 2021 20:31:23 GMT -5
This off season , Jimmy Garrapolo will be available. Trey Lance will be the Niner’s starting ( next season ) QB. Giants have two number three picks. Giants can trade one of there third round pick . My premise on Garrapolo , is the Giants give up a third round pick only. A pick where they have no success picking a long term player. Garrapolo would ( maybe ) be the best QB, in the NFC EAST. Another,QB that is possibly is Derek Carr. His contract is up at season end. Raiders, may resign Carr or sign and trade. A third round pick or Jones for Carr trade. Again, Carr would be the best QB in the NFC East. Giants can legitimately contend for a Playoff spot. Plus, , Giants keep all there high draft picks. I doubt if we can get Carr the Raiders are almost guaranteed to re sign him. Of course I would take him I just don't think he will be available. Now Jimmy G maybe we could get him for a 3rd or a combo of a 3rd and say a 4th or 5th. I think this would be a windfall for us.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 20:37:53 GMT -5
one that wants to win. I mean there are plenty of guys in the league or who were in the league who have done worst and got 2nd and third chances. I just had to look up what he actually did because I heard ofcourse initially. Ok I will say from what I just read, let me copy and paste: allege Watson forced two women to perform oral sex, ejaculated on three women and in front of three others, groped four women and kissed another woman unprompted upon arrival for a massage. Ok yeah some of those things you can't do, but it's alleged. In my opinion the other things are things I'm sure shit more than half of this society does I mean to each their own on how much of a fetish you are lol. The thing is rather someone is guilty or not in this world today especially, I know there will be piling on in some instances where people who have dealt with someone and see an oppurtunity to get a payday, heck yeah they are going to throw there name in the hat. It could've been totally consensual but nawwwww. Do I think he's a bad guy for that, no in my opinion because like I said I know men and what men do. Like I said some of the other stuff you can't do and but we know also that in the context of the allegations, it could've been a situation where it was a flirt on both sides and then the man is just aggressive in his wanting to go further. Or heck even if just a tad aggressive as men do what they do to get what they want and it could be in an innocent way so to speak but ofcourse a woman can pursue something out of that if they feel they have a chance. So yeah I'm sure there are a lot of people on this board who will have different feelings about the situation and that's my take and my opinion on the matter and on life in general. GM's have taken on situations before that were questionable and the real answer is if he goes somewhere and wins and especially brings a title, a lot of stuff will be forgiven because that's society, human nature, and frankly the way things are especially in sports and winning masks a lot of shit that it wouldn't otherwise do. Does it make it right , well that depends on what you as an individual believes one way or another; everyone's different! GM I'm sorry I have to disagree with you big time. Take a deep breath and ask yourself do you want Watson ? What does forcing 2 women to perform oral sex mean to you ? Could that be a form of rape ? Do you think this man would be a good leader for your team ? IMHO Watson should be suspended from the league indefinitely. But beside that do you want to pay this man 40 mil plus a year ? Do you want to give up all those 1st rd picks for him ? Before these charges there was always something with him, arguing with his coaches, supposedly him and teammates yelling at one another splitting the locker room, arguing with FO publicaly. Now maybe each of these things aren't over the top seperately but together theres always a problem' I just disagree MG, I don't want him. I pretty much answered everything you just asked in my OP and again a few posts ago but I will again in a nutshell. Not that it has anything to do with him being guilty or not but just on the point of what a woman can do/change, how they can switch shit up lol. Did what they say happen, who the heck knows. We do know that women and especially in this day and age have the power to amp shit up rather what they say happened or not and yeah the guy is automatically assumed to have done those things, especially when others come out of the blue more than likely and pile on. Maybe it's true or maybe it isn't. Just saying that until he is found and deemed guilty I'm not going to convict him and if he is cleared I damn sure would give him a shot. And again I said I wouldn't want to give up the far to get him though and that would be the only reason I wouldn't sign him. And again from your earlier question I'm not sure of your style or not but I'm sure a minimum of 7 out of 10 guys on here and no matter what age, at some point in their life they asked a female to give them oral ( during sex rather before or after or during) and she probably didn't really want to do it or barely did it and I guarantee you even you once took your hand and palmed the back of her head lol lol. Just an example unless you are a prude prune dude and hate it but anyway it is what it is. A woman can spin that shit and say he forced me to. NOt saying that was the case but we see that shit in a lot of scenario's I know I have in life. Heck even in amatuer porn you see in the act guys kinda forcing females to do stuff probably a little more than the female really wanted to go/do. Not pretty , funny , or anything but it's just how it is rather some see it as wrong or not, everyone is different and see shit different. So we will see what becomes of his case. I'm not going to go back and forth arguing with anyone over the allegations on his innocence or guilt or the claims as it pertains to life; I've made my point about it rather you or anyone agree or disagree this it's all good.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 26, 2021 20:46:30 GMT -5
GM I'm sorry I have to disagree with you big time. Take a deep breath and ask yourself do you want Watson ? What does forcing 2 women to perform oral sex mean to you ? Could that be a form of rape ? Do you think this man would be a good leader for your team ? IMHO Watson should be suspended from the league indefinitely. But beside that do you want to pay this man 40 mil plus a year ? Do you want to give up all those 1st rd picks for him ? Before these charges there was always something with him, arguing with his coaches, supposedly him and teammates yelling at one another splitting the locker room, arguing with FO publicaly. Now maybe each of these things aren't over the top seperately but together theres always a problem' I just disagree MG, I don't want him. I pretty much answered everything you just asked in my OP and again a few posts ago but I will again in a nutshell. Not that it has anything to do with him being guilty or not but just on the point of what a woman can do/change, how they can switch shit up lol. Did what they say happen, who the heck knows. We do know that women and especially in this day and age have the power to amp shit up rather what they say happened or not and yeah the guy is automatically assumed to have done those things, especially when others come out of the blue more than likely and pile on. Maybe it's true or maybe it isn't. Just saying that until he is found and deemed guilty I'm not going to convict him and if he is cleared I damn sure would give him a shot. And again I said I wouldn't want to give up the far to get him though and that would be the only reason I wouldn't sign him. And again from your earlier question I'm not sure of your style or not but I'm sure a minimum of 7 out of 10 guys on here and no matter what age, at some point in their life they asked a female to give them oral ( during sex rather before or after or during) and she probably didn't really want to do it or barely did it and I guarantee you even you once took your hand and palmed the back of her head lol lol. Just an example unless you are a prude prune dude and hate it but anyway it is what it is. A woman can spin that shit and say he forced me to. NOt saying that was the case but we see that shit in a lot of scenario's I know I have in life. Heck even in amatuer porn you see in the act guys kinda forcing females to do stuff probably a little more than the female really wanted to go/do. Not pretty , funny , or anything but it's just how it is rather some see it as wrong or not, everyone is different and see shit different. So we will see what becomes of his case. I'm not going to go back and forth arguing with anyone over the allegations on his innocence or guilt or the claims as it pertains to life; I've made my point about it rather you or anyone agree or disagree this it's all good. OK, I do understand the point your making.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 20:51:40 GMT -5
I pretty much answered everything you just asked in my OP and again a few posts ago but I will again in a nutshell. Not that it has anything to do with him being guilty or not but just on the point of what a woman can do/change, how they can switch shit up lol. Did what they say happen, who the heck knows. We do know that women and especially in this day and age have the power to amp shit up rather what they say happened or not and yeah the guy is automatically assumed to have done those things, especially when others come out of the blue more than likely and pile on. Maybe it's true or maybe it isn't. Just saying that until he is found and deemed guilty I'm not going to convict him and if he is cleared I damn sure would give him a shot. And again I said I wouldn't want to give up the far to get him though and that would be the only reason I wouldn't sign him. And again from your earlier question I'm not sure of your style or not but I'm sure a minimum of 7 out of 10 guys on here and no matter what age, at some point in their life they asked a female to give them oral ( during sex rather before or after or during) and she probably didn't really want to do it or barely did it and I guarantee you even you once took your hand and palmed the back of her head lol lol. Just an example unless you are a prude prune dude and hate it but anyway it is what it is. A woman can spin that shit and say he forced me to. NOt saying that was the case but we see that shit in a lot of scenario's I know I have in life. Heck even in amatuer porn you see in the act guys kinda forcing females to do stuff probably a little more than the female really wanted to go/do. Not pretty , funny , or anything but it's just how it is rather some see it as wrong or not, everyone is different and see shit different. So we will see what becomes of his case. I'm not going to go back and forth arguing with anyone over the allegations on his innocence or guilt or the claims as it pertains to life; I've made my point about it rather you or anyone agree or disagree this it's all good. OK, I do understand the point your making. cool man. Yeah I know how I am in life. I always try and look deeper into things. That's why when I say something I try and make sure folks know where I'm coming from though I know it's often easy to read something and get it twisted as to what someone truly means. This is the day and age where you have to make sure you are very clear in what you're trying to say and even then sometimes it's still mistaken lol. all good though I don't mind clearing things up. We won't always agree on everything but just good to be able to agree to disagree and no one get personally hurt over things.
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 27, 2021 7:38:20 GMT -5
No Watson....too much BS I have given up on Jones. Wilson....stop gap for a few years maybe bit who knows The Giants are in a state of flux and once again. This thread is asking about QBs and I dont see Judge being here next season at the rate he is going. I hear you. I don't have faith in DJ either, but I think Wilson's cost will be pretty high, with the state of the rest of the team, not sure I'd want to make the investment. As far as Garrapolo, I'd stick with DJ straight up. Carr, like Wilson will be quite pricey.
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Post by TEM on Nov 27, 2021 7:50:25 GMT -5
He is a law suit waiting to happen. The FO does not need that. The NY press would run him out of town in an hour. **** the NY press. He's here to play football. Let them ask all the questions they want and he can choose to answer if he wants or not. Come on Guyt, How can you defend him? Lett's put aside he is sexual predator forcing himself on masseuses. Why does he need to get that many massages? Why so many different women? If it was therapeutic why not just one masseuse? He has a problem. We do not need a QB with mental problems, he does have them and that will at some point manifest on the field.
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Post by giantsalmon on Nov 27, 2021 9:44:24 GMT -5
**** the NY press. He's here to play football. Let them ask all the questions they want and he can choose to answer if he wants or not. Come on Guyt, How can you defend him? Lett's put aside he is sexual predator forcing himself on masseuses. Why does he need to get that many massages? Why so many different women? If it was therapeutic why not just one masseuse? He has a problem. We do not need a QB with mental problems, he does have them and that will at some point manifest on the field. I love Watsons skill set, and loved his story coming out of Clemson. Irregardless of where we individually fall as to his actions, the LAST thing THIS team needs right now is any type of distraction or media circus--especially at QB. The financial and draft pick sacrifice aside, there's zero chance the Maras will bring in a player under a microscope. With the "me too" movement in full swing everywhere, I seriously doubt Tisch would go for it either. No, the Giants want their QB/face of the franchise "squeaky clean", and thats what they had with Simms, Manning, and for now Jones. It doesn't take a prude to see where's theres smoke theres fire in this case. If I was forced to bet what the truth is, I would say he was in the wrong at least once and then there was a whole lot of piling on. Why do these guys have to resort to any of this behavior? Is it boring and too easy to have the droves of women throw themselves at them? I honestly don't know, is he a married guy who tried to keep this stuff on the down low?
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Post by mendy on Nov 27, 2021 12:20:40 GMT -5
If Deshaun didn't have all those issues off the field I would take him in a heartbeat. He is only 26. Russell Wilson, I think his best days are probably behind him. I think with DJ, what you see is what you are going to get and he isn't going to have one of those "Aha!" moments. The mistakes he is making are the same that he made in college. The only reason DW is available is because of "those issues". Wilson is good but old into a new system and will cost a boat load ,you stay with Jones.
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Post by mendy on Nov 27, 2021 12:23:28 GMT -5
It is funny that most people know this team will never win with this line but we talk about fixing the running game and passing game before fixing the line. Madden GM's
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 27, 2021 15:23:03 GMT -5
People still haven't learned that a bad OL turns a great QB into total shit. The giants have had essentially the worst OL performance in the league since 2016. And 2012-2015 was bad too. Last season their run blocking was great in the 2nd half of the season. This year they've had way too many injuries to do anything consistently well or even gel as a unit. They've had horrid games this season but also have been better than probably the previous 10 years :/ This past game was exceptionally rough though. Solder and Hernandez are really best suited as back ups. Solder should just retire.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 27, 2021 15:36:33 GMT -5
People still haven't learned that a bad OL turns a great QB into total shit. The giants have had essentially the worst OL performance in the league since 2016. And 2012-2015 was bad too. Last season their run blocking was great in the 2nd half of the season. This year they've had way too many injuries to do anything consistently well or even gel as a unit. They've had horrid games this season but also have been better than probably the previous 10 years :/ This past game was exceptionally rough though. Solder and Hernandez are really best suited as back ups. Solder should just retire. I know yOu cAnT dRaFt a CeNtEr wItH a ToP 10 pIcK Eff that noise Linderbaum is one of my guys along with Hutchinson if there is an omnipresent sky daddy listening after day 1
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Post by Jomo on Nov 27, 2021 16:45:47 GMT -5
Nothing that takes picks away from us in a trade.
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