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Post by myronguyton on Nov 29, 2021 13:31:43 GMT -5
Teams ahead of us for final WC slot SF- 6-5 Vikes 5-6 Atl- 5-6 NO- 5-6 Phil- 5-7 Car- 5-7 Wash- 4-6 Chi- 4-7 At the moment, We hold tie breakers vs NO, Car & Phil , but Atl & Wash hold tie breaker against us. IMO, we have to go 5-1 the rest of the way as a 9-8 record will be needed for the final WC spot. 5 teams on that list except for SF, only has a 1 game lead on us for the final slot. If after an 0-3 start, we can rally to make the playoffs with a 9-8 record, then no one can say we didn't earn that final WC slot as we would have gone 9-5 the rest of the way. None of the teams left on our schedule are world beaters, we can afford 1 more loss the rest of the way & I would rather it be vs the Chargers & we sweep Philly, split with Dallas/Skins & beat Mia/Chi. You're forgetting the fact that there are three wild card teams this year, not two. So put SF in slot number 6 and keep the rest of your list. Pointless to talk about tie breakers at this point, as the rest of the season can and likely will change the state of those tie breakers. At the moment, the Giants are 1 back in the race for the final spot. It's that simple. Anyway, I understand why some people would scoff at Giants fans thinking about playoffs right now, but its certainly a possibility. The Giants don't look like a very good team, but I do think they have a pretty good defense. Certainly playoff caliber if it was paired with a competent offense. I think fans tend to overestimate how good or bad their own team is in comparison to the rest of the league. Its easy to get worked up and think the sky is falling when you see performances like we had against Tampa and LA. However, most of the teams in the league this year have had equally terrible performances, including teams that most of us think are good. The bengals, packers, rams, titans, cowboys, chiefs, bucs, bills etc. have all been embarrassed at least once. The difference with the Giants and those 'good teams', I must concede, is that we don't seem to have the same scoring potential on offense, even when we win. If the Giants are going to find a way into the playoffs via the final 6 games, it has to come from a steadily improving offense. The defense is good, but they aren't the 2000 Ravens. They need help from the other half. We need more from Jones. I want to see him start playing the game within the game, and elevating those around him. Not turning the ball over is great and all, but the Giants need him to be more than a game manager. He needs to start creating plays whether they're scripted or not. That's what the good qbs do. It was a small glimpse of light in an otherwise pathetic performance, but I did generally approve of the playcalling yesterday. With more time, hopefully we will start to see more points from Kitchen's offense, and hopefully it won't be too late. Ultimately, it's the players that have to execute. The way I see it, the Giants have 6 winnable games left, 3 games they should win, and 3 games they can win. We will find out very soon how they are going to go out this year, as those 'can win' games, which will be the biggest tests, are the next 3 on the schedule. If they can take at least 2 of those, they're going to have a shot to sneak in the playoffs.
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 29, 2021 13:42:40 GMT -5
Teams ahead of us for final WC slot SF- 6-5 Vikes 5-6 Atl- 5-6 NO- 5-6 Phil- 5-7 Car- 5-7 Wash- 4-6 Chi- 4-7 At the moment, We hold tie breakers vs NO, Car & Phil , but Atl & Wash hold tie breaker against us. IMO, we have to go 5-1 the rest of the way as a 9-8 record will be needed for the final WC spot. 5 teams on that list except for SF, only has a 1 game lead on us for the final slot. If after an 0-3 start, we can rally to make the playoffs with a 9-8 record, then no one can say we didn't earn that final WC slot as we would have gone 9-5 the rest of the way. None of the teams left on our schedule are world beaters, we can afford 1 more loss the rest of the way & I would rather it be vs the Chargers & we sweep Philly, split with Dallas/Skins & beat Mia/Chi. You're forgetting the fact that there are three wild card teams this year, not two. So put SF in slot number 6 and keep the rest of your list. Pointless to talk about tie breakers at this point, as the rest of the season can and likely will change the state of those tie breakers. At the moment, the Giants are 1 back in the race for the final spot. It's that simple. Anyway, I understand why some people would scoff at Giants fans thinking about playoffs right now, but its certainly a possibility. The Giants don't look like a very good team, but I do think they have a pretty good defense. Certainly playoff caliber if it was paired with a competent offense. I think fans tend to overestimate how good or bad their own team is in comparison to the rest of the league. Its easy to get worked up and think the sky is falling when you see performances like we had against Tampa and LA. However, most of the teams in the league this year have had equally terrible performances, including teams that most of us think are good. The bengals, packers, rams, titans, cowboys, chiefs, bucs, bills etc. have all been embarrassed at least once. The difference with the Giants and those 'good teams', I must concede, is that we don't seem to have the same scoring potential on offense, even when we win. If the Giants are going to find a way into the playoffs via the final 6 games, it has to come from a steadily improving offense. The defense is good, but they aren't the 2000 Ravens. They need help from the other half. We need more from Jones. I want to see him start playing the game within the game, and elevating those around him. Not turning the ball over is great and all, but the Giants need him to be more than a game manager. He needs to start creating plays whether they're scripted or not. That's what the good qbs do. It was a small glimpse of light in an otherwise pathetic performance, but I did generally approve of the playcalling yesterday. With more time, hopefully we will start to see more points from Kitchen's offense, and hopefully it won't be too late. Ultimately, it's the players that have to execute. The way I see it, the Giants have 6 winnable games left, 3 games they should win, and 3 games they can win. We will find out very soon how they are going to go out this year, as those 'can win' games, which will be the biggest tests, are the next 3 on the schedule. If they can take at least 2 of those, they're going to have a shot to sneak in the playoffs. The only loss we can afford the rest of the way would be to either LA or Dallas, we have to win 5 of the last 6 to get a ticket to the dance. I was looking at the remaining schedule of all the other teams in the hunt for the final 3 WC slots & I can see many of them finishing 8-9 or worse. NY just has to take care of business, win out or at least go 5-1 the rest of the way & we get a chance to turn a lost season into a "coach of the yr" award for Judge.
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Post by smitty on Nov 29, 2021 15:45:53 GMT -5
We’re currently 6th in the draft order. That ain’t a playoff team.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 29, 2021 16:58:41 GMT -5
This thread is nuttier than a bag full of nuts. We just beat the pussies across the street in puke green. Ugly ass win, I’ve seen prettier car accidents. However, we still control our destiny. Dallas losing has giving us a pulse, it’s time we take them off life support. Next in line, time to filet the Dolphins. I do not think its about catching 7-4 Cowboys. I think its about catching and passing the 5-6 teams.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 29, 2021 17:02:16 GMT -5
This thread is nuttier than a bag full of nuts. We just beat the pussies across the street in puke green. Ugly ass win, I’ve seen prettier car accidents. However, we still control our destiny. Dallas losing has giving us a pulse, it’s time we take them off life support. Next in line, time to filet the Dolphins. I do not think its about catching 7-4 Cowboys. I think its about catching and passing the 5-6 teams. We aren’t catching a cold in Antarctica with this offense.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 29, 2021 17:16:05 GMT -5
You know that saying “anything can happen in the playoffs?” That applies to everyone but us. We Win the turnover battle by 4, still needed an opposing WR to have a ball go through his hands (literally) on the 1yd line to win by 6. This team doesn’t have the talent to win a playoff game, even Disney writers would say that script is too unbelievable to invest in. Nobody cared when our guys dropped balls including in the endzone. Nobody saw us making the playoffs in 1981 with a backup QB completing 41% of his passes and a backup RB we traded for halfway through that season. We made the playoffs and then upset the defending NFC champs on the road. Our preseason Superbowl odds that year were 20,000 to 1 We even out up a fight against Joe Montanna and the Superbowl 49ers that season in the next playoff game.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 29, 2021 17:18:46 GMT -5
I do not think its about catching 7-4 Cowboys. I think its about catching and passing the 5-6 teams. We aren’t catching a cold in Antarctica with this offense. 1. Hope is free. 2. We are 4-4 in our last 8 games. 3. Buy some cold medicine just in case.
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Post by Antwuan on Nov 29, 2021 22:51:07 GMT -5
I honestly believe if we are to make any kind of run at the last wild card spot DJ is going to play some of his best ball to get us there.
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 30, 2021 1:49:25 GMT -5
Stinking Seattle didn't do us any favors tonight, that's for sure!
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Post by GameTime on Nov 30, 2021 6:07:02 GMT -5
Stinking Seattle didn't do us any favors tonight, that's for sure! Wilson looks like a different QB, injured or he just doesnt care anymore.
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Post by imgrate on Nov 30, 2021 7:02:17 GMT -5
We discussed this at length last year with the "NFC East/NFC Least". Two different schools of thought: First group thinks any success is good and making the playoffs even in the parity filled NFL is a stepping stone and a step in the right direction to changing the mindset and expectation to win. I am in this group. The 2nd group will just point to all the teams deficiencies and tell us how we are wasting draft position. Enough is enough. Win anyway you can screw draft position. NYG has two 1st rounders. Lets let the Bears pick be the early one. Miami is a team on the rise. Let us remember they were calling for their HC to be fired last season and early this season. A win VS Miami will be meaningful. This is the perfect year for both of those groups. If you're a group 1 person, then keep on pulling for the Giants to win games since we're going to technically be in the playoff picture for atleast a few weeks...and cheer for the Bears to lose. If you're a group 2 person, then you're an overanalyzer, I get it, I borderline am a group 2 person. But hey, if we miss the playoffs, then our chances of winning SB are 0.000, so if you're a number person, then you know that any playoff seed is infinitely better than 0.000 chance of winning. Oh, and the bears completely suck, so we can watch college highlights of all of the prospects and not just the ones that'll still be there in the mid teens.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 30, 2021 9:21:54 GMT -5
You know that saying “anything can happen in the playoffs?” That applies to everyone but us. We Win the turnover battle by 4, still needed an opposing WR to have a ball go through his hands (literally) on the 1yd line to win by 6. This team doesn’t have the talent to win a playoff game, even Disney writers would say that script is too unbelievable to invest in. Nobody cared when our guys dropped balls including in the endzone. Nobody saw us making the playoffs in 1981 with a backup QB completing 41% of his passes and a backup RB we traded for halfway through that season. We made the playoffs and then upset the defending NFC champs on the road. Our preseason Superbowl odds that year were 20,000 to 1 We even out up a fight against Joe Montanna and the Superbowl 49ers that season in the next playoff game. I know an acquaintance that won $1 million in a regional lottery. So you can definitely win the lottery and I know someone that has. We’re discussing possibility vs probability. If you’re saying it’s statistically possible we can beat teams in the playoffs, I clearly won’t disagree with that. But it’s so statistically insignificant that it’s not worth my time to consider. I’m a glass half full guy. But I’m also a realist. This team is missing too many fundamental pieces, and there’s no glimmers of improvement in those fundamental areas.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 30, 2021 9:38:44 GMT -5
Nobody cared when our guys dropped balls including in the endzone. Nobody saw us making the playoffs in 1981 with a backup QB completing 41% of his passes and a backup RB we traded for halfway through that season. We made the playoffs and then upset the defending NFC champs on the road. Our preseason Superbowl odds that year were 20,000 to 1 We even out up a fight against Joe Montanna and the Superbowl 49ers that season in the next playoff game. I know an acquaintance that won $1 million in a regional lottery. So you can definitely win the lottery and I know someone that has. We’re discussing possibility vs probability. If you’re saying it’s statistically possible we can beat teams in the playoffs, I clearly won’t disagree with that. But it’s so statistically insignificant that it’s not worth my time to consider. I’m a glass half full guy. But I’m also a realist. This team is missing too many fundamental pieces, and there’s no glimmers of improvement in those fundamental areas. had an Aunt who won 1.3m decades ago in NJ.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 30, 2021 9:40:13 GMT -5
Nobody cared when our guys dropped balls including in the endzone. Nobody saw us making the playoffs in 1981 with a backup QB completing 41% of his passes and a backup RB we traded for halfway through that season. We made the playoffs and then upset the defending NFC champs on the road. Our preseason Superbowl odds that year were 20,000 to 1 We even out up a fight against Joe Montanna and the Superbowl 49ers that season in the next playoff game. I know an acquaintance that won $1 million in a regional lottery. So you can definitely win the lottery and I know someone that has. We’re discussing possibility vs probability.
If you’re saying it’s statistically possible we can beat teams in the playoffs, I clearly won’t disagree with that. But it’s so statistically insignificant that it’s not worth my time to consider. I’m a glass half full guy. But I’m also a realist. This team is missing too many fundamental pieces, and there’s no glimmers of improvement in those fundamental areas. Winning the lottery is probably at least 5 million to 1. Our current playoff odds are 20-1 Would you play the lottery if the odds were only 20-1?
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 30, 2021 9:45:48 GMT -5
I know an acquaintance that won $1 million in a regional lottery. So you can definitely win the lottery and I know someone that has. We’re discussing possibility vs probability.
If you’re saying it’s statistically possible we can beat teams in the playoffs, I clearly won’t disagree with that. But it’s so statistically insignificant that it’s not worth my time to consider. I’m a glass half full guy. But I’m also a realist. This team is missing too many fundamental pieces, and there’s no glimmers of improvement in those fundamental areas. Winning the lottery is probably at least 5 million to 1. Our current playoff odds are 20-1 Would you play the lottery if the odds were only 20-1? I like numbers guys!! I’m a numbers guy. How much are you betting on the Giants making the playoffs? I’m putting down $0.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 30, 2021 10:02:40 GMT -5
Winning the lottery is probably at least 5 million to 1. Our current playoff odds are 20-1 Would you play the lottery if the odds were only 20-1? I like numbers guys!! I’m a numbers guy. How much are you betting on the Giants making the playoffs? I’m putting down $0. My bet on the Giants is my time. Figure around 5 hours a week times 20 weeks a year times $100 an hour.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 30, 2021 10:40:20 GMT -5
We aren’t catching a cold in Antarctica with this offense. 1. Hope is free. 2. We are 4-4 in our last 8 games. 3. Buy some cold medicine just in case. Nothing in life is free. Even the air we breath comes with a price. Right now, we got the division leaders, and teams that are still in the hunt. We’re on the outside, bunking with the Seahawks. As the Lions are eating one another.
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 30, 2021 10:54:23 GMT -5
I know an acquaintance that won $1 million in a regional lottery. So you can definitely win the lottery and I know someone that has. We’re discussing possibility vs probability. If you’re saying it’s statistically possible we can beat teams in the playoffs, I clearly won’t disagree with that. But it’s so statistically insignificant that it’s not worth my time to consider. I’m a glass half full guy. But I’m also a realist. This team is missing too many fundamental pieces, and there’s no glimmers of improvement in those fundamental areas. had an Aunt who won 1.3m decades ago in NJ. I have a nephew who's never won anything in the lottery.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 30, 2021 11:10:48 GMT -5
1. Hope is free. 2. We are 4-4 in our last 8 games. 3. Buy some cold medicine just in case. Nothing in life is free. Even the air we breath comes with a price. Right now, we got the division leaders, and teams that are still in the hunt. We’re on the outside, bunking with the Seahawks. As the Lions are eating one another. Food for thought. If we beat Miami we will be 5-4 in our last 9 games. Given our oline that would be a small miracle.
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Post by myronguyton on Nov 30, 2021 11:48:26 GMT -5
Stinking Seattle didn't do us any favors tonight, that's for sure! I dont know about that. I couldn't decide last night who would benefit the Giants more by losing. As bad as Seattle has been, they still have good players and Russell Wilson. So it could be better that they're getting pushed out of the WC race. We also get to play Washington again, so if it came down to them, the Giants will have their shot.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 30, 2021 23:03:49 GMT -5
I'm bummed that DJ may not play Sunday. Crazy that he injured his neck on a called run 2 plays in to the game but played the rest of the game. He has that Simms toughness. Still we have a good backup in Glennon. I think we can step up and win behind him. Still have to go 100% for that playoff spot.
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Post by Parademon1 on Dec 1, 2021 0:51:30 GMT -5
Stinking Seattle didn't do us any favors tonight, that's for sure! I dont know about that. I couldn't decide last night who would benefit the Giants more by losing. As bad as Seattle has been, they still have good players and Russell Wilson. So it could be better that they're getting pushed out of the WC race. We also get to play Washington again, so if it came down to them, the Giants will have their shot. We gifted foreskins that W in week 2 so I preferred they lose last night. With that win, they now own the 7th & final seed. They sure do seem to get last second favorable calls from the refs.
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Post by Tyrell on Dec 1, 2021 12:31:39 GMT -5
The Giants dont know how to score touchdowns. we're allergic to it, watching last weekends game it was as apparent as ever, they really dont know what to do in the red zone, theyre not sure what routes to run, they dont get open, like ever.
beyond the oline and linebackers and the many other problems, we need to get in the endzone above all.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 1, 2021 12:59:50 GMT -5
The Giants dont know how to score touchdowns. we're allergic to it, watching last weekends game it was as apparent as ever, they really dont know what to do in the red zone, theyre not sure what routes to run, they dont get open, like ever. beyond the oline and linebackers and the many other problems, we need to get in the endzone above all. Passing windows tighten (DJ missed Golladay’s back shoulder last game) and every team can keep 7 in coverage because we can’t run past a 4 man front. A QB who still struggles with ball placement and literally zero running game. Not great for red zone offense.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Dec 1, 2021 14:28:38 GMT -5
Stinking Seattle didn't do us any favors tonight, that's for sure! Wilson looks like a different QB, injured or he just doesnt care anymore. Which means Giants trade multiple 1s for him and he goes down as the modern day Craig Morton for this franchise.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 1, 2021 14:35:10 GMT -5
Wilson looks like a different QB, injured or he just doesnt care anymore. Which means Giants trade multiple 1s for him and he goes down as the modern day Craig Morton for this franchise. if he is still isnt recovered from his injury or doesnt care to be on the Hawks anymore thats not me saying Wilson is done.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2021 14:37:18 GMT -5
Wilson looks like a different QB, injured or he just doesnt care anymore. Which means Giants trade multiple 1s for him and he goes down as the modern day Craig Morton for this franchise. It would be the modern day Craig Morton for us even if he is healthy.. Remember unkind 1974 or whenever it happened we now have cap implications as well...
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Post by Parademon1 on Dec 1, 2021 14:42:48 GMT -5
Wilson looks like a different QB, injured or he just doesnt care anymore. Which means Giants trade multiple 1s for him and he goes down as the modern day Craig Morton for this franchise. Soon as Morton left us, he took Denver to the SB the following yr.
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Post by jb456 on Dec 1, 2021 15:35:15 GMT -5
I’d rather not make it then endure an ass kicking on National TV. This guy, he gets it. Squeaking into the playoffs and having your teams teeth kicked in on National TV doesn't sound like a good time...
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Post by jb456 on Dec 1, 2021 15:36:11 GMT -5
You know that saying “anything can happen in the playoffs?” That applies to everyone but us. We Win the turnover battle by 4, still needed an opposing WR to have a ball go through his hands (literally) on the 1yd line to win by 6. This team doesn’t have the talent to win a playoff game, even Disney writers would say that script is too unbelievable to invest in. The Giants could have 10 turnovers but would only convert them into 3 points...
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