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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 20:50:11 GMT -5
Has this season and the 9 before it become a franchise transforming moment in Giants history, Like the miracle at the meadow lands was, I feel like this season feels like the straw that is gonna break the franchises back and force them to do some really uncomfortable things,
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Post by allnygin on Dec 6, 2021 20:52:33 GMT -5
Has this season and the 9 before it become a franchise transforming moment in Giants history, Like the miracle at the meadow lands was, I feel like this season feels like the straw that is gonna break the franchises back and force them to do some really uncomfortable things, I hope you're right. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 6, 2021 20:56:26 GMT -5
Has this season and the 9 before it become a franchise transforming moment in Giants history, Like the miracle at the meadow lands was, I feel like this season feels like the straw that is gonna break the franchises back and force them to do some really uncomfortable things,
Who knows Dog42? Mara has done so much talking over the years and has made many moves and nothing's changed. It wouldn't surprise me to hear Mara say this team needs consistency in their front office and coaching - not another new system.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 20:59:50 GMT -5
Has this season and the 9 before it become a franchise transforming moment in Giants history, Like the miracle at the meadow lands was, I feel like this season feels like the straw that is gonna break the franchises back and force them to do some really uncomfortable things, I hope you're right. So do I lol there is only so much losing that a team in this market can dish to their fans, The Giants need to get this right asap this can't be the same ho hum GM / coach search they are gonna have to put in a ton of work and talk to more then 1 out sider and 3 insiders. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 6, 2021 21:01:05 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 21:02:27 GMT -5
Has this season and the 9 before it become a franchise transforming moment in Giants history, Like the miracle at the meadow lands was, I feel like this season feels like the straw that is gonna break the franchises back and force them to do some really uncomfortable things,
Who knows Dog42? Mara has done so much talking over the years and has made many moves and nothing's changed. It wouldn't surprise me to hear Mara say this team needs consistency in their front office and coaching - not another new system.
Thats a scary thought, think the apparatus is broken in every way to much losing with to many different faces only a few things stay the same Fredo and a lot of the scouts. |
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Post by allnygin on Dec 6, 2021 21:02:32 GMT -5
So do I lol there is only so much losing that a team in this market can dish to their fans, The Giants need to get this right asap this can't be the same ho hum GM / coach search they are gonna have to put in a ton of work and talk to more then 1 out sider and 3 insiders. and maybe, just maybe realize that chris isn't the man to hold the job "Vice President of Player evaluation". To me I don't think that'll ever change, bc they're family. Maybe Chirs on the other hand will realize he's not cut out for it and step down respectfully, regardless Mara has quite a bit to chew on. Who knows maybe you're right. I think it'll be more of the same, promote from within yada yada and churn out the same shit product. |
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 6, 2021 21:04:27 GMT -5
Lawrence Taylor is not walking though that door. Nor, is any other great player to save us. No Frank Gifford to recommend George Young to us either. We have to figure this out all on our own. For us to really get out of this, we need a transcending player out of the draft. And he better not be touched by the hand of God.. Look at our teams over the years, we never have that one guy who is one of the best in the league. And not a flash in the pan, I mean a bonafide all time player that came through our system.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 21:05:12 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it I have I high level of concern. In the name of  this worries me and actually vex me to. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 21:09:46 GMT -5
So do I lol there is only so much losing that a team in this market can dish to their fans, The Giants need to get this right asap this can't be the same ho hum GM / coach search they are gonna have to put in a ton of work and talk to more then 1 out sider and 3 insiders. and maybe, just maybe realize that chris isn't the man to hold the job "Vice President of Player evaluation". To me I don't think that'll ever change, bc they're family. Maybe Chirs on the other hand will realize he's not cut out for it and step down respectfully, regardless Mara has quite a bit to chew on. Who knows maybe you're right. I think it'll be more of the same, promote from within yada yada and churn out the same shit product. On the inside I feel that way but refuse to believe it, He could pull a fast one and hire Riddick who I didn't know was mentored by Accorsi guess earnie got to know him so he isn't actually an outsider but is because he will have different ideas on player, I'm not a Riddick guy but I would give him the same thing I give every GM 4 years. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 21:11:02 GMT -5
Has this season and the 9 before it become a franchise transforming moment in Giants history, Like the miracle at the meadow lands was, I feel like this season feels like the straw that is gonna break the franchises back and force them to do some really uncomfortable things, I doubt it. Call me a bitter cynic. Nah your just going off of what the Giants usually do the wrong thing the last 10 or so years. |
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Post by allnygin on Dec 6, 2021 21:13:25 GMT -5
and maybe, just maybe realize that chris isn't the man to hold the job "Vice President of Player evaluation". To me I don't think that'll ever change, bc they're family. Maybe Chirs on the other hand will realize he's not cut out for it and step down respectfully, regardless Mara has quite a bit to chew on. Who knows maybe you're right. I think it'll be more of the same, promote from within yada yada and churn out the same shit product. On the inside I feel that way but refuse to believe it, He could pull a fast one and hire Riddick who I didn't know was mentored by Accorsi guess earnie got to know him so he isn't actually an outsider but is because he will have different ideas on player, I'm not a Riddick guy but I would give him the same thing I give every GM 4 years. I would not be opposed to hiring riddick, I mean there are others that come to mind like Dobbs that I would prefer, but tbh I wouldn't mind mind riddick even if he did say he liked Dwane haskins - so did practically everyone else in the media does not be that if he were an actual GM he would've actually pulled the trigger esp with real consequences. |
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 6, 2021 21:15:37 GMT -5
The frog has boiled to death.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 21:18:56 GMT -5
On the inside I feel that way but refuse to believe it, He could pull a fast one and hire Riddick who I didn't know was mentored by Accorsi guess earnie got to know him so he isn't actually an outsider but is because he will have different ideas on player, I'm not a Riddick guy but I would give him the same thing I give every GM 4 years. I would not be opposed to hiring riddick, I mean there are others that come to mind like Dobbs that I would prefer, but tbh I wouldn't mind mind riddick even if he did say he liked Dwane haskins - so did practically everyone else in the media does not be that if he were an actual GM he would've actually pulled the trigger esp with real consequences. I have said this before, he can't be any worse, we have had a solid 8 to 10 years of horrible drafts and personnel moves I always say the bad drafts and personnel disaster start before the losing starts, especially if the the team is a good one it takes time for the suck to take over the roster. I do think Riddick gets what modern offenses and defenses need the kind of players that is. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 6, 2021 21:19:30 GMT -5
I feel like hiring Judge was a gamble this team normally wouldn't make. And now they are regretting it so it's back to the usual. Maybe we bring back Spags or Gilbride to be HC.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 21:20:03 GMT -5
and maybe, just maybe realize that chris isn't the man to hold the job "Vice President of Player evaluation". To me I don't think that'll ever change, bc they're family. Maybe Chirs on the other hand will realize he's not cut out for it and step down respectfully, regardless Mara has quite a bit to chew on. Who knows maybe you're right. I think it'll be more of the same, promote from within yada yada and churn out the same shit product. On the inside I feel that way but refuse to believe it, He could pull a fast one and hire Riddick who I didn't know was mentored by Accorsi guess earnie got to know him so he isn't actually an outsider but is because he will have different ideas on player, I'm not a Riddick guy but I would give him the same thing I give every GM 4 years. You would not want to try somebody proven as GM (and of coach)? Speaking of which anyone have any interest in trying to get Jim Harbough here? He did a good job in SF. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 6, 2021 21:20:50 GMT -5
I feel like hiring Judge was a gamble this team normally wouldn't make. And now they are regretting it so it's back to the usual. Maybe we bring back Spags or Gilbride to be HC. I fear John Fox under Abrams.... Because we didn't go retro goober old school hard enough,let's double down on it That would be a great way to litterally not give a shit about this team anymore |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 21:21:10 GMT -5
The frog has boiled to death. Try some frog eggs can't be any worse then what the Giants are toting onto the field weekly. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 21:23:22 GMT -5
On the inside I feel that way but refuse to believe it, He could pull a fast one and hire Riddick who I didn't know was mentored by Accorsi guess earnie got to know him so he isn't actually an outsider but is because he will have different ideas on player, I'm not a Riddick guy but I would give him the same thing I give every GM 4 years. You would not want to try somebody proven as GM (and of coach)? Speaking of which anyone have any interest in trying to get Jim Harbough here? He did a good job in SF. I'm interested in anyone not from the Giants circle Harbaugh why not interview him if he will even come in for one. |
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Post by allnygin on Dec 6, 2021 21:24:41 GMT -5
I feel like hiring Judge was a gamble this team normally wouldn't make. And now they are regretting it so it's back to the usual. Maybe we bring back Spags or Gilbride to be HC. Thats why the theory that Mara kind of pushed Garrett onto judge makes sense. IT added a layer of comfort to Maras decision with Judge which in turn backfired. Whatever really happened I guess is irrelevant as the team continues to suck. As much as I liked Spags and Gilbride.. this would be terrible haha |
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 6, 2021 21:24:43 GMT -5
I feel like hiring Judge was a gamble this team normally wouldn't make. And now they are regretting it so it's back to the usual. Maybe we bring back Spags or Gilbride to be HC. I’ll take your Spags and Gilbride and raise you a Stephen Belichick and Thomas McGaughey.. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 21:25:36 GMT -5
I feel like hiring Judge was a gamble this team normally wouldn't make. And now they are regretting it so it's back to the usual. Maybe we bring back Spags or Gilbride to be HC. Funny you say that because shortly after the Giants hired him I think Scheffter said in most front office folk OP is Judge was on the radar but the thought he needed a couple more years under BBs wing. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 21:27:22 GMT -5
I feel like hiring Judge was a gamble this team normally wouldn't make. And now they are regretting it so it's back to the usual. Maybe we bring back Spags or Gilbride to be HC. I fear John Fox under Abrams.... Because we didn't go retro goober old school hard enough,let's double down on it That would be a great way to litterally not give a shit about this team anymore Fox wow blast from the past no thanks tho |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 21:27:58 GMT -5
You would not want to try somebody proven as GM (and of coach)? Speaking of which anyone have any interest in trying to get Jim Harbough here? He did a good job in SF. I'm interested in anyone not from the Giants circle Harbaugh why not interview him if he will even come in for one. Both of the brothers seem to know how to win. I think he would make a lot of sense. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 7, 2021 1:02:18 GMT -5
I'm interested in anyone not from the Giants circle Harbaugh why not interview him if he will even come in for one. Both of the brothers seem to know how to win. I think he would make a lot of sense. Harbaugh is going to get a 10 year 100 million dollar contract after this past year |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 7, 2021 7:16:55 GMT -5
sadly, I gotta agree with Rose here. I don't see the ownership seeing the forest through the trees. I hope I'm wrong, but the way they have been operating lately does not give me any confidence.
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Post by BlueReign on Dec 7, 2021 7:24:53 GMT -5
Lawrence Taylor is not walking though that door. Nor, is any other great player to save us. No Frank Gifford to recommend George Young to us either. We have to figure this out all on our own. For us to really get out of this, we need a transcending player out of the draft. And he better not be touched by the hand of God.. Look at our teams over the years, we never have that one guy who is one of the best in the league. And not a flash in the pan, I mean a bonafide all time player that came through our system. Agreed. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 7, 2021 7:41:27 GMT -5
Both of the brothers seem to know how to win. I think he would make a lot of sense. Harbaugh is going to get a 10 year 100 million dollar contract after this past year That is a lot but is he worth less than our 20 mill a year WR? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 7:43:57 GMT -5
Harbaugh is going to get a 10 year 100 million dollar contract after this past year That is a lot but is he worth less than our 20 mill a year WR? Nice!! Happy Tuesday! |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 7, 2021 8:06:29 GMT -5
Harbaugh is going to get a 10 year 100 million dollar contract after this past year That is a lot but is he worth less than our 20 mill a year WR? He has won at the NFL level and has been excellent at the college level. Guys from college coming in and getting what Rhule got is risky Harbaugh has proven it on both levels of play, I don't think he will be interested in the structure here, he had issues with the front office in San Fran, think he a shop for his own groceries kind of guy. |
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this worries me and actually vex me to.
