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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 15, 2021 18:45:11 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 15, 2021 18:49:12 GMT -5
We need to start thinking about 2023 and ignore 2022. Just try to get some franchise pieces for the next rebuild. 2022 is already a lost season IMO. Like 2017 was.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 15, 2021 18:58:09 GMT -5
This clown has mismanaged this franchise worse than anyone could have imagined. It's one thing to be in this situation with a good team that is nearly complete and winning.
To be in this situation with a team this bad and devoid of overall talent and depth just defies logic.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 15, 2021 19:04:56 GMT -5
This clown has mismanaged this franchise worse than anyone could have imagined. It's one thing to be in this situation with a good team that is nearly complete and winning. To be in this situation with a team this bad and devoid of overall talent and depth just defies logic. I honestly think the majority of posters here could have built a better roster. Of course there’s a lot of people that supported him for years so maybe not. |
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 15, 2021 19:04:56 GMT -5
One reason why I think it's a good chance Abrams is retained as the GM. It's going to be tough to bring in a GM hamstrung by the lack of cap space and a HC already in place.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 15, 2021 19:07:07 GMT -5
One reason why I think it's a good chance Abrams is retained as the GM. It's going to be tough to bring in a GM hamstrung by the lack of cap space and a HC already in place. Yup, plus he’s been in the organization forever, is familiar with Judge, mentored by DG, JR and Accorsi IIRC…Abrams or someone from the Patriots is who I would put my money on and I’m strongly against both. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 15, 2021 19:08:30 GMT -5
This is like old news their cap is what it is for 2022 they shouldn't be using it anyway.
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 15, 2021 19:09:49 GMT -5
One reason why I think it's a good chance Abrams is retained as the GM. It's going to be tough to bring in a GM hamstrung by the lack of cap space and a HC already in place. Yup, plus he’s been in the organization forever, is familiar with Judge, mentored by DG, JR and Accorsi IIRC…Abrams or someone from the Patriots is who I would put my money on and I’m strongly against both. Agreed. Maybe Judge has someone he's recommending that's off the radar, but Abrams or one of the guys from the Pats wouldn't surprise me. I don't have a strong feeling towards anyone at this point. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 15, 2021 19:21:16 GMT -5
One reason why I think it's a good chance Abrams is retained as the GM. It's going to be tough to bring in a GM hamstrung by the lack of cap space and a HC already in place. Cap hell is when the cap is shot for 2 or 3 years like the last time when it doesn't measure up to the roster turn over. The Giants have one year where the new GM will have to deal with each, Cap restraint and Joe Judge I think 2 top ten picks and one in the top 36 is pretty good incentive. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 15, 2021 19:28:13 GMT -5
Once we stretched to sign all the FA's that we did this off-season, we knew we would be strapped for next season on the FA market, and will rely on the draft predominantly to restock the roster. Fortunately we have a lot of picks this year.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 15, 2021 19:35:24 GMT -5
This clown has mismanaged this franchise worse than anyone could have imagined. It's one thing to be in this situation with a good team that is nearly complete and winning. To be in this situation with a team this bad and devoid of overall talent and depth just defies logic. I honestly think the majority of posters here could have built a better roster. Of course there’s a lot of people that supported him for years so may be not. It's hard to imagine anyone doing a worse job. |
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 15, 2021 19:35:58 GMT -5
Gettleman is so gone at end of this season -- even the Giants cant be this blind. But they let him hang around, go out "on his own terms" kind of stuff, since he's part of the "old boy" network.
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Post by lt56 on Dec 15, 2021 19:48:34 GMT -5
they will work around the Cap and create more Cap Space and I'm sure they will still bring in some Free Agents but no it won't be any Top Level Free Agents
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 15, 2021 20:24:54 GMT -5
We need to start thinking about 2023 and ignore 2022. Just try to get some franchise pieces for the next rebuild. 2022 is already a lost season IMO. Like 2017 was. Please no more New England retreads I.e. coaches or GM’s. |
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Post by wtfjjk on Dec 15, 2021 20:25:09 GMT -5
This clown has mismanaged this franchise worse than anyone could have imagined. It's one thing to be in this situation with a good team that is nearly complete and winning. To be in this situation with a team this bad and devoid of overall talent and depth just defies logic. I honestly think the majority of posters here could have built a better roster. Of course there’s a lot of people that supported him for years so maybe not. If you just looked at any of the mock drafts, you could have done better than Gettleman. Literally anyone could have done that and done better. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 15, 2021 20:34:43 GMT -5
funny how fans debate sides. Some claim cap hell while others, often more demonstrative, claim all teams do this. Well, here is some support tor hell? Honestly or media hype? Just look at the numbers. Healthy cap right? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 15, 2021 20:40:39 GMT -5
One reason why I think it's a good chance Abrams is retained as the GM. It's going to be tough to bring in a GM hamstrung by the lack of cap space and a HC already in place. Cap hell is when the cap is shot for 2 or 3 years like the last time when it doesn't measure up to the roster turn over. The Giants have one year where the new GM will have to deal with each, Cap restraint and Joe Judge I think 2 top ten picks and one in the top 36 is pretty good incentive. still don’t get it do you? So with a cap catastrophe for 2022, hint, hint, hint, the restructuring of contracts just to get bye in 2022 will hit 2023. |
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 16, 2021 9:15:55 GMT -5
What do you expect from a general manager who has a pay phone in his office.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 16, 2021 9:36:14 GMT -5
What do you expect from a general manager who has a pay phone in his office. YES!!!! |
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Post by hadenough on Dec 16, 2021 9:44:37 GMT -5
He really screwed up. I wouldn't call it cap hell...cause they'll be ok shortly. But to load up on skill players and not oline and D front 7/edge...was a risk that generally doesn't work out.
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Post by jaymas on Dec 16, 2021 10:32:59 GMT -5
DG absolutely stinks.
This is the stupidest criticism of him. It will amount to one year, and we have a lot of draft capital for the new GM. It's super common for the year after a big free agent year to be tighter than the year before.
As far as big decisions on the horizon that affect the cap. Either Jones proves he's worth it or he doesn't. If he does he gets a new contract and we have the cap to support it.
Cap hell would be up against the cap in 2023 and knowing already you have to pay Jones because he's great and you'd struggle to do it without sacrificing a lot of the roster. That is absolutely not the situation we're in.
Also, as of right now a big Jones contract is not at all in the cards. So there's a scenario where that contract moves back to a rookie contract and viola, in 2023 we have a crap ton of money to build around that.
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Post by hadenough on Dec 16, 2021 11:07:32 GMT -5
DG absolutely stinks. This is the stupidest criticism of him. It will amount to one year, and we have a lot of draft capital for the new GM. It's super common for the year after a big free agent year to be tighter than the year before. As far as big decisions on the horizon that affect the cap. Either Jones proves he's worth it or he doesn't. If he does he gets a new contract and we have the cap to support it. Cap hell would be up against the cap in 2023 and knowing already you have to pay Jones because he's great and you'd struggle to do it without sacrificing a lot of the roster. That is absolutely not the situation we're in. Also, as of right now a big Jones contract is not at all in the cards. So there's a scenario where that contract moves back to a rookie contract and viola, in 2023 we have a crap ton of money to build around that. I'll give DG a lot of credit for this...and I don't know if it's him or someone else doing the contracts. The contract's he's given out have been for big money, but typically by the 3rd year of the contract, the Giants can get out of it relatively cleanly. He's strapped them with contracts but not long contracts. They've actually been smart about it. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 16, 2021 12:16:38 GMT -5
DG absolutely stinks. This is the stupidest criticism of him. It will amount to one year, and we have a lot of draft capital for the new GM. It's super common for the year after a big free agent year to be tighter than the year before. As far as big decisions on the horizon that affect the cap. Either Jones proves he's worth it or he doesn't. If he does he gets a new contract and we have the cap to support it. Cap hell would be up against the cap in 2023 and knowing already you have to pay Jones because he's great and you'd struggle to do it without sacrificing a lot of the roster. That is absolutely not the situation we're in. Also, as of right now a big Jones contract is not at all in the cards. So there's a scenario where that contract moves back to a rookie contract and viola, in 2023 we have a crap ton of money to build around that. I'll give DG a lot of credit for this...and I don't know if it's him or someone else doing the contracts. The contract's he's given out have been for big money, but typically by the 3rd year of the contract, the Giants can get out of it relatively cleanly. He's strapped them with contracts but not long contracts. They've actually been smart about it. It is Abrems actually Banks and Papa were doing there pod cast and said Abrams was so good at his job that team sneer like letting Freeagents get into the Giants building because he usually gets his guys. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 16, 2021 12:40:54 GMT -5
DG absolutely stinks. This is the stupidest criticism of him. It will amount to one year, and we have a lot of draft capital for the new GM. It's super common for the year after a big free agent year to be tighter than the year before. As far as big decisions on the horizon that affect the cap. Either Jones proves he's worth it or he doesn't. If he does he gets a new contract and we have the cap to support it. Cap hell would be up against the cap in 2023 and knowing already you have to pay Jones because he's great and you'd struggle to do it without sacrificing a lot of the roster. That is absolutely not the situation we're in. Also, as of right now a big Jones contract is not at all in the cards. So there's a scenario where that contract moves back to a rookie contract and viola, in 2023 we have a crap ton of money to build around that. this as stupid an article there is, fro all the reason you just gave, Ad in if they come back healthy free agency isn't or shouldn't be needed in 2022 Golladay hasn't forgotten how toplay and compete Jackson showed why they brought him here jus a dumb article from ver perspective. |
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Post by McCherry on Dec 16, 2021 13:02:19 GMT -5
One reason why I think it's a good chance Abrams is retained as the GM. It's going to be tough to bring in a GM hamstrung by the lack of cap space and a HC already in place. Cap hell is when the cap is shot for 2 or 3 years like the last time when it doesn't measure up to the roster turn over. The Giants have one year where the new GM will have to deal with each, Cap restraint and Joe Judge I think 2 top ten picks and one in the top 36 is pretty good incentive. This story fails to mention that the Giants have one of the healthiest 3-year cap outlooks in the league. But this is mostly hysteria to stir up shock and outrage. Like every team, the Giants will create the operating space they need next year. The Giants were $5M over the cap last year and spent nearly $200M. It's not as if we're planning on spending that much every offseason. The goal is make better choices and build through the draft. |
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Post by jaymas on Dec 16, 2021 13:52:41 GMT -5
DG absolutely stinks. This is the stupidest criticism of him. It will amount to one year, and we have a lot of draft capital for the new GM. It's super common for the year after a big free agent year to be tighter than the year before. As far as big decisions on the horizon that affect the cap. Either Jones proves he's worth it or he doesn't. If he does he gets a new contract and we have the cap to support it. Cap hell would be up against the cap in 2023 and knowing already you have to pay Jones because he's great and you'd struggle to do it without sacrificing a lot of the roster. That is absolutely not the situation we're in. Also, as of right now a big Jones contract is not at all in the cards. So there's a scenario where that contract moves back to a rookie contract and viola, in 2023 we have a crap ton of money to build around that. this as stupid an article there is, fro all the reason you just gave, Ad in if they come back healthy free agency isn't or shouldn't be needed in 2022 Golladay hasn't forgotten how toplay and compete Jackson showed why they brought him here jus a dumb article from ver perspective. Agree on most of this...though I'm genuinely worried right now that Golladay has in fact, forgotten how to play haha. Jackson has been as advertised as far as I'm concerned. Hope he gets back on the field and, he's also still young. Ceiling hasn't been hit yet. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 16, 2021 15:40:43 GMT -5
this as stupid an article there is, fro all the reason you just gave, Ad in if they come back healthy free agency isn't or shouldn't be needed in 2022 Golladay hasn't forgotten how toplay and compete Jackson showed why they brought him here jus a dumb article from ver perspective. Agree on most of this...though I'm genuinely worried right now that Golladay has in fact, forgotten how to play haha. Jackson has been as advertised as far as I'm concerned. Hope he gets back on the field and, he's also still young. Ceiling hasn't been hit yet. Yea I was thinking the same thing but last week Glennon gave him no chance at making contested catch they were short balls. Agree 100% on Jackson he was our best corner the last 4 games before he was injured now he's on the covid list. |
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Post by Jomo on Dec 16, 2021 17:19:12 GMT -5
Cap hell is the least of our worries.
This team will only get better through the draft and we have the draft covered financially.
It will also take 3 really good drafts to get us back on track at which point, whatever hell we are in will be moot.
One last point, who do we desperately need to keep this off season where a shortage of funds will create havoc?
The answer for me is no one.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 16, 2021 17:33:39 GMT -5
Agree on most of this...though I'm genuinely worried right now that Golladay has in fact, forgotten how to play haha. Jackson has been as advertised as far as I'm concerned. Hope he gets back on the field and, he's also still young. Ceiling hasn't been hit yet. Yea I was thinking the same thing but last week Glennon gave him no chance at making contested catch they were short balls. Agree 100% on Jackson he was our best corner the last 4 games before he was injured now he's on the covid list. I'm not too worried about Golloday. This is a guy that averages over 16 ypc for his career. He needs a complete restart. He needs to get healthy, stay healthy, have a solid off season of workouts. Fans are talking nonsense about dumping him, whoever is in charge should build the entire offense around him. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 17:35:52 GMT -5
We need to start thinking about 2023 and ignore 2022. Just try to get some franchise pieces for the next rebuild. 2022 is already a lost season IMO. Like 2017 was. 2 offensive linemen is imperative... |
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