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Post by SG88 on Jan 25, 2022 20:30:56 GMT -5
Cooperstown in a nutshell
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Post by SG88 on Jan 25, 2022 20:33:57 GMT -5
Well Schilling doesn't get in because he's a republican......so........ let’s cap the Political angle. This place will explode in 10 min and get downright evil within hours. Within minutes. I think that Curt Schilling is a scumbag of a human being, but think he is a no-brainer HOF player. A lot of these voters are just idiots who shouldn't be voting for shit.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 25, 2022 22:10:56 GMT -5
My guy. Should have been a hall of famer a very long time ago
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Post by TEM on Jan 26, 2022 7:27:15 GMT -5
IBB with the bases loaded! So was Abner Dalrymple in 1881 he is not in the hall .288 ba . So did Del Bissonette he is not in the hall either. Bill Nicholson is deserving. He has 2 seasons where he had 122 and 125 RBIs. Career 51 ABs for every HR (no roids needed) Bases loaded walk does not put a player in the hall.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 26, 2022 9:22:18 GMT -5
My guy. Should have been a hall of famer a very long time ago He’s that one guy that everyone knows had hall of fame talent. Unfortunately, this isn’t football where they give out hall of fame jackets to guys who played at a high level for six years. He had a run from 84-87 where he played as good as it gets at the position. I hate how he retired just before the beginning of the dynasty.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 26, 2022 9:28:59 GMT -5
IBB with the bases loaded! So was Abner Dalrymple in 1881 he is not in the hall .288 ba . So did Del Bissonette he is not in the hall either. Bill Nicholson is deserving. He has 2 seasons where he had 122 and 125 RBIs. Career 51 ABs for every HR (no roids needed) Bases loaded walk does not put a player in the hall. I see what you did there 😄
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Post by Parademon1 on Jan 26, 2022 12:33:18 GMT -5
Baseball overall has become a joke in the past decade or so. 100 pitch limits or 5 innings for "Aces" of the team, no one can bunt to the opposite field worth a damn when the shift is on, a runner on 2nd in extra innings. 12 game winners now win the Cy Young. 90% of today's pitchers couldn't carry the jock straps of Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Jim Palmer, Steve Carlton, Bob Gibson, Sandy Kofax, Jack Morris, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 26, 2022 12:39:16 GMT -5
Cooperstown in a nutshell Every year that goes by, I lose more and more respect for the game I used to love. MLB was MY #1 sport forever. In the 80s-90s, my baseball card game was phenomenal. Loved players from all over, Tony Gwynn, Kirby Puckett, Ozzie Smith, Ken Griffey Jr, Rickey Henderson, Nolan Ryan, Greg Maddux, Howard Johnson, Andre Dawson, Dave Winfield... Even Wade Boggs when he played for Boston I had a ton of respect for. It slowly dying. And then last year they added a runner on 2nd base in extras and fudged with the baseball mid season without any acknowledgement or communications on it. WTF was that about? And they want to keep some players who cheated when Bud Selig encouraged it (who is in the MLB HOF I might add)? GTFO... Everyone knows Ortiz was a roider. They put a inferior PEDer in over the greatest PEDer to ever play. By the way, Barry Bonds failed 1 less drug test than Ortiz did. Zero. And never admitted it. Same with Roger. Of course they did it, but there was less proof they did than Ortiz. Not to mention his off the field stuff as well. Man I miss the good old days of MLB. I like all the new young guys too, Trout, Tatis, Vlad Jr, Acuna, Soto, ect., and that is what keeps me coming back, but the sport just changed so much. Now get off my lawn!
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Post by SG88 on Jan 26, 2022 13:05:02 GMT -5
Cooperstown in a nutshell Every year that goes by, I lose more and more respect for the game I used to love. MLB was MY #1 sport forever. In the 80s-90s, my baseball card game was phenomenal. Loved players from all over, Tony Gwynn, Kirby Puckett, Ozzie Smith, Ken Griffey Jr, Rickey Henderson, Nolan Ryan, Greg Maddux, Howard Johnson, Andre Dawson, Dave Winfield... Even Wade Boggs when he played for Boston I had a ton of respect for. It slowly dying. And then last year they added a runner on 2nd base in extras and fudged with the baseball mid season without any acknowledgement or communications on it. WTF was that about? And they want to keep some players who cheated when Bud Selig encouraged it (who is in the MLB HOF I might add)? GTFO... Everyone knows Ortiz was a roider. They put a inferior PEDer in over the greatest PEDer to ever play. By the way, Barry Bonds failed 1 less drug test than Ortiz did. Zero. And never admitted it. Same with Roger. Of course they did it, but there was less proof they did than Ortiz. Not to mention his off the field stuff as well. Man I miss the good old days of MLB. I like all the new young guys too, Trout, Tatis, Vlad Jr, Acuna, Soto, ect., and that is what keeps me coming back, but the sport just changed so much. Now get off my lawn! I'm with you on that and our history is pretty similar. Baseball is still my favorite sport to watch and play, but my respect for it has gone down every year. How ironic is it that Bud Selig is in the Hall of Fame and most of these steroid era players are not? The home run chase in 1998 saved the sport yet they have exiled the participants. I remember running to a TV every time McGwire or Sosa came up to hit. ESPN stopped their programming to show those at bats. SI named both of them Sportsmen of the Year. Fast forward a few years later and they were thrown to the curb once MLB maxed out on the money they made off of them. These HOF gatekeepers with axes to grind have completely embarrassed the sport. I actually feel bad for David Ortiz in that hardly anyone is talking about his HOF selection. Baseball has some real problems and the solutions to those problems are currently unknown.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 26, 2022 14:12:03 GMT -5
All kidding aside.....It's time to keep it real. My friend SG is absolutely right.
First...these players in the steroid era all played against other guys from the same era. A despite what we think we know, we have NO idea who was and who wasn't on PED's. So Roger Clemens may have benefitted from steroids, but so did most of the batters he faced.
And look at baseball today....It's the exact same thing. All these guys are juiced up. They may not be on banned PED's, but this era has brought supplements, performance enhancing cocktails and new training methods that deliver the exact same results as steroids did.
Have we ever seen so many pitchers throwing near 100 MPH? Have we ever seen so many hitters down in the lineup with this kind of HR power? The answer is no. We are STILL in the PED era. Players have just found a way around the rules. And BTW...MLB LOVES it. They love all this power and run production. They love all these strike outs as well. yet they are "shocked" if a player tests positive. Such ****ing hypocrisy.
And now to the true hypocrites. The sports writers of MLB. These preachy, pompous, self righteous jaggoffs, 99% of whom never had to face a major league fastball or an exploding slider. Steroids doesn't help you hit a Steve Carlton slider....or a Randy Johnson fastball. That takes incredible talent and experience. These "keepers of the game" are idiots who have no idea what it takes to be a MLB player. They just look down their collective nose at all of us as if they have some kind of monopoly on human virtue.
And finally ...what is the HOF? It's a record of the greatest players in baseball history. And yet, the guy with the most hits in MLB history, the guy with the most HR's in MLB history, and the guy with the most Cy Young's in MLB history are not recorded there. the Baseball HOF is a sham. It's NOT an accurate record. It's NOT a legitimate museum to learn about baseball's greatest. It's not, because these "keepers of the game" have no idea what the game is.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 26, 2022 15:27:37 GMT -5
I absolutely agree that the players are using these days. The players have always been years ahead of the testing. Like MH said, you have freakish athletes hitting 7th-9th that are sometimes hitting 30 home runs in a season. In the era I grew up in, spray hitters with great defense and low BA were taking those spots.
MLB fell in love with the long ball in that home run chase and let it slide, mainly because the money was endless. Once the money slowed down, baseball tried to distance themselves from those players that saved the sport.
I'm just so disappointed that they've turned the sport that I grew up loving and playing into a joke. Baseball used to be ahead of football and was for a long time. They will never be on top again as our past time.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 26, 2022 15:36:23 GMT -5
I absolutely agree that the players are using these days. The players have always been years ahead of the testing. Like MH said, you have freakish athletes hitting 7th-9th that are sometimes hitting 30 home runs in a season. In the era I grew up in, spray hitters with great defense and low BA were taking those spots. MLB fell in love with the long ball in that home run chase and let it slide, mainly because the money was endless. Once the money slowed down, baseball tried to distance themselves from those players that saved the sport. I'm just so disappointed that they've turned the sport that I grew up loving and playing into a joke. Baseball used to be ahead of football and was for a long time. They will never be on top again as our past time. While the game has changed in many ways, some of which I don't like,...they HAVE tried to keep up with the expectations of the modern fan. The problems baseball has vs. football are more about the way the leagues are constructed and the difficulty in baseball to keep competitive balance. Once you're down in MLB, it's hard not to stay down. In football that is very different. But baseball has a level of drama that may be unmatched even by the NFL. The "hanging on every pitch" in baseball is genuinely compelling. It's not nothing.
MLB hasn't done the great branding though that the NFL has. The NFL is the branding master. It truly doesn't matter what markets are represented in the playoffs. Green Bay vs. Buffalo, would be just as compelling to a TV audience as LA vs. NY.
It's the genius of the NFL. Plus, football just works perfectly on TV. The geography of it, the size of the ball, etc....... all work on TV. Poor hockey. Thank God for HDTV. It probably saved them.
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Post by Dogecoin on Jan 26, 2022 15:52:12 GMT -5
Cooperstown in a nutshell Rose should be in, if the worst thing he did was bet on his own team to win, essentially what managers do every game with their career. If hes not then how the heck can the core group of Astros cheaters not be blocked as well? The other two guys I have no sympathy for as we all know they were roided up
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 26, 2022 17:42:35 GMT -5
Cooperstown in a nutshell Rose should be in, if the worst thing he did was bet on his own team to win, essentially what managers do every game with their career. If hes not then how the heck can the core group of Astros cheaters not be blocked as well? The other two guys I have no sympathy for as we all know they were roided up He’s never getting in. Bartlett Giamatti made sure of that in ‘89, and every commissioner since then has followed his wishes. He may have a chance when he passes, and that’s a slim chance.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 26, 2022 22:47:02 GMT -5
Excellent segment and right on the money
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