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Post by Bigjeep on Jan 27, 2022 8:06:19 GMT -5
I'm a longtime fan going back to the 50's, but I don't get into the numbers game! I don't know every player on every team and in fact could care less about other teams. I do have my favorites in games not evolving the Giants! Loved the KC win and the Rams win! So far, I like the Joe Schoen pick for GM! This could be our ticket back to winning games again down the road! He sounds like a no-nonsense guy that is going to be tough! Watching the presser, I get the sense that he is going to tear this team apart and start from scratch! He is going to bite the bullet and high salary players like Williams are going to disappear quickly. For a change we hired a guy with a great track record. If Mara fights him in any way, he is a jackass! You have been the laughingstock of the league and you better let him do what he wants. It can't get any worse than it already is. I have hope!
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Post by Jomo on Jan 27, 2022 8:36:30 GMT -5
I'm a longtime fan going back to the 50's, but I don't get into the numbers game! I don't know every player on every team and in fact could care less about other teams. I do have my favorites in games not evolving the Giants! Loved the KC win and the Rams win! So far, I like the Joe Schoen pick for GM! This could be our ticket back to winning games again down the road! He sounds like a no-nonsense guy that is going to be tough! Watching the presser, I get the sense that he is going to tear this team apart and start from scratch! He is going to bite the bullet and high salary players like Williams are going to disappear quickly. For a change we hired a guy with a great track record. If Mara fights him in any way, he is a jackass! You have been the laughingstock of the league and you better let him do what he wants. It can't get any worse than it already is. I have hope! I agree! Yesterday JM said more or less: "We've done everything possible to screw this kid up (Daniel Jones)" That is an admission that he is in fact Jerry Seinfeld: "George, if every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right." |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 27, 2022 8:43:03 GMT -5
I liked the non-bravado approach with Shoen. Tough talk to the press and camera means nothing. We know all to well what Dave Gettleman kicking ass and a Joe Judge punching you in the nose for 60 minutes truly looks like. The Giants website is littered with clips of past Giants greats and a bunch of current crap designed to make everyone feel good about themselves. It’s time for the Giants to pick a competent staff of professionals and get to work.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 27, 2022 9:00:33 GMT -5
I liked the non-bravado approach with Shoen. Tough talk to the press and camera means nothing. We know all to well what Dave Gettleman kicking ass and a Joe Judge punching you in the nose for 60 minutes truly looks like. The Giants website is littered with clips of past Giants greats and a bunch of current crap designed to make everyone feel good about themselves. It’s time for the Giants to pick a competent staff of professionals and get to work. Leave the team to do your talking on Sundays.  |
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 27, 2022 9:16:41 GMT -5
I liked the non-bravado approach with Shoen. Tough talk to the press and camera means nothing. We know all to well what Dave Gettleman kicking ass and a Joe Judge punching you in the nose for 60 minutes truly looks like. The Giants website is littered with clips of past Giants greats and a bunch of current crap designed to make everyone feel good about themselves. It’s time for the Giants to pick a competent staff of professionals and get to work. Leave the team to do your talking on Sundays. exactly |
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Post by jmike on Jan 27, 2022 9:20:19 GMT -5
I liked the non-bravado approach with Shoen. Tough talk to the press and camera means nothing. We know all to well what Dave Gettleman kicking ass and a Joe Judge punching you in the nose for 60 minutes truly looks like. The Giants website is littered with clips of past Giants greats and a bunch of current crap designed to make everyone feel good about themselves. It’s time for the Giants to pick a competent staff of professionals and get to work. Leave the team to do your talking on Sundays. Still can't figure out why anyone gives a shit about that. Oh, I forgot, they actually don't. Because if we were winning nobody would be complaining about the GM or HC personality. Literally nobody. So the complaints are just utter bullshit to have something more to complain about because we are losing. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 27, 2022 9:27:22 GMT -5
To the fans who are shitting on Gettlemans and Judges tough talk. Most of you were eating out of Judges hand until a month ago. How things change when your ass is grass.
As for the current state of the Giants. Change is good, we needed it like no other team. This franchise has been toxic for far too long. First time in a long time they wiped the slate clean completely, and are starting fresh. The head coach and Schoen will now be attached to the hip. If they fail, they both go to the waste sides together. If they succeed, we have two men who are part of that. The Giants we grew up to are dead, the “Giants way” went out with the phone booth. The league is ever changing, and we had to change with it. Take a good look at the teams this weekend, what do they all have in common outside the roster? Good ownership, solid front office, and excellent coaching. The three necessities to a successful franchise.
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Post by Nite on Jan 27, 2022 9:27:35 GMT -5
I'm a longtime fan going back to the 50's, but I don't get into the numbers game! I don't know every player on every team and in fact could care less about other teams. I do have my favorites in games not evolving the Giants! Loved the KC win and the Rams win! So far, I like the Joe Schoen pick for GM! This could be our ticket back to winning games again down the road! He sounds like a no-nonsense guy that is going to be tough! Watching the presser, I get the sense that he is going to tear this team apart and start from scratch! He is going to bite the bullet and high salary players like Williams are going to disappear quickly. For a change we hired a guy with a great track record. If Mara fights him in any way, he is a jackass! You have been the laughingstock of the league and you better let him do what he wants. It can't get any worse than it already is. I have hope! I agree! Yesterday JM said more or less: "We've done everything possible to screw this kid up (Daniel Jones)" That is an admission that he is in fact Jerry Seinfeld: "George, if every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right." He is more George Costanza with a giant ego and small brains... |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 27, 2022 9:44:16 GMT -5
I liked the non-bravado approach with Shoen. Tough talk to the press and camera means nothing. We know all to well what Dave Gettleman kicking ass and a Joe Judge punching you in the nose for 60 minutes truly looks like. The Giants website is littered with clips of past Giants greats and a bunch of current crap designed to make everyone feel good about themselves. It’s time for the Giants to pick a competent staff of professionals and get to work. Leave the team to do your talking on Sundays. Oh, I forgot, they actually don't. Because if we were winning nobody would be complaining about the GM or HC personality. Literally nobody. So the complaints are just utter bullshit to have something more to complain about because we are losing. What's that? |
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Post by jmike on Jan 27, 2022 9:49:18 GMT -5
Still can't figure out why anyone gives a shit about that.Oh, I forgot, they actually don't. Because if we were winning nobody would be complaining about the GM or HC personality. Literally nobody. So the complaints are just utter bullshit to have something more to complain about because we are losing. What's that? The "non bravado approach" or the "bravado approach" Personally, I don't care if the GM answers all questions at a press conference by farting in Morse code into the microphone. I only care if he does a good job making this team into a winner. You will see a bunch of people complain about that, until the team wins, then they will think its funny because the media are idiots anyway. Because they never actually cared about it in the first place. They care about winning and having an entertaining team to watch. All the other complaints only exist when the team is losing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 9:53:38 GMT -5
Next year, I want a medium popcorn to go with that Pepsi.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 27, 2022 10:23:25 GMT -5
The "non bravado approach" or the "bravado approach" Personally, I don't care if the GM answers all questions at a press conference by farting in Morse code into the microphone. I only care if he does a good job making this team into a winner. You will see a bunch of people complain about that, until the team wins, then they will think its funny because the media are idiots anyway. Because they never actually cared about it in the first place. They care about winning and having an entertaining team to watch. All the other complaints only exist when the team is losing.
John Mara like bravado if you haven't noticed. He's liked to see the toughness in the attitude of his Giants. Look at Dave. Look at Pat Hanlon. JOhn has always derived a sense of pleasure when he sees his head coach barking at players.
I found this GM to be different in that regard. Less rough around the edges. Dare I call him more normal?
Here's to normal. 
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Post by jmike on Jan 27, 2022 10:35:58 GMT -5
The "non bravado approach" or the "bravado approach" Personally, I don't care if the GM answers all questions at a press conference by farting in Morse code into the microphone. I only care if he does a good job making this team into a winner. You will see a bunch of people complain about that, until the team wins, then they will think its funny because the media are idiots anyway. Because they never actually cared about it in the first place. They care about winning and having an entertaining team to watch. All the other complaints only exist when the team is losing.
John Mara like bravado if you haven't noticed. He's liked to see the toughness in the attitude of his Giants. Look at Dave. Look at Pat Hanlon. JOhn has always derived a sense of pleasure when he sees his head coach barking at players.
I found this GM to be different in that regard. Less rough around the edges. Dare I call him more normal?
Here's to normal. 
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 27, 2022 10:54:43 GMT -5
John Mara like bravado if you haven't noticed. He's liked to see the toughness in the attitude of his Giants. Look at Dave. Look at Pat Hanlon. JOhn has always derived a sense of pleasure when he sees his head coach barking at players.
I found this GM to be different in that regard. Less rough around the edges. Dare I call him more normal?
Here's to normal.
Normal is overrated. I've never been normal and quite happy that is the case.
You sound pretty normal to me. You're intelligent. You know the game of football. Your a Giants fan....
Jesus! You everything a Giants fan dreams about!
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 27, 2022 10:59:30 GMT -5
I liked the non-bravado approach with Shoen. Tough talk to the press and camera means nothing. We know all to well what Dave Gettleman kicking ass and a Joe Judge punching you in the nose for 60 minutes truly looks like. The Giants website is littered with clips of past Giants greats and a bunch of current crap designed to make everyone feel good about themselves. It’s time for the Giants to pick a competent staff of professionals and get to work. Leave the team to do your talking on Sundays. Still can't figure out why anyone gives a shit about that. Oh, I forgot, they actually don't. Because if we were winning nobody would be complaining about the GM or HC personality. Literally nobody. So the complaints are just utter bullshit to have something more to complain about because we are losing. winning cures everything and covers up a lot... |
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 27, 2022 11:01:06 GMT -5
I got the opposite feeling...Schoen sounded conservative and not a guy who likes flashy changes to a roster and signing overpriced free agents.
It sounded like he's only going to cut the people that we already expect to be cut.
He wants to build in the draft, build a team with young players. Wouldn't even be surprised if he trades back.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 27, 2022 11:03:38 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree Big Jeep.
Schoen is a modern leader who I don’t think is going to walk into the building cracking skulls and laying down the law. That was Getty.
He’s hitting every talking point of modern leadership 101. Everyone in the building is going to be give a clean slate to demonstrate how they can contribute to the future success of the franchise.
Accountability is only one tool in that toolbox. He will get everyone to buy into a standard of performance AND development. He will give employees the room to show they can get better from who and where they are right now. It won’t be a black and white “you stay and you go” process. If any employee shows a strong work ethic and ability to adapt to his process (which will be more cultural than tactical), they will have a job in Schoen’s franchise. That kind of leadership is what builds employees who are willing to run through a wall to succeed. Fear and accountability don’t create that as consistently.
If players/employees start pushing back on the process, then you’ll see surprise firings and cuts/trades. But they will happen after careful consideration.
This is what we’ve needed. This is the modernization of a franchise. Joe even said it about Parcells. Out of touch with how franchises are run today (but made the point very respectfully).
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 27, 2022 11:15:47 GMT -5
Who cares if the GM is tough. What the heck does he have to be tough about.
He needs to be smart and able to assemble a group that can judge talent. The HC, Head of Scouting, somebody to control the cap. We need an organizer and someone who can put competent people around him so he can succeed. He needs to be able to remove hurdles for his people that he trusts to do their best.
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Post by jmike on Jan 27, 2022 11:22:18 GMT -5
Normal is overrated. I've never been normal and quite happy that is the case.
You sound pretty normal to me. You're intelligent. You know the game of football. Your a Giants fan....
Jesus! You everything a Giants fan dreams about!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 27, 2022 11:44:08 GMT -5
I liked the non-bravado approach with Shoen. Tough talk to the press and camera means nothing. We know all to well what Dave Gettleman kicking ass and a Joe Judge punching you in the nose for 60 minutes truly looks like. The Giants website is littered with clips of past Giants greats and a bunch of current crap designed to make everyone feel good about themselves. It’s time for the Giants to pick a competent staff of professionals and get to work. Leave the team to do your talking on Sundays. Excellent points I believe he will do some surgery to that scouting department as needed that tho takes some time. |
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Post by ocgiant on Jan 27, 2022 12:45:41 GMT -5
Refreshing that there was no smugness with the new GM and I look forward to better communication with the press and ultimatley with the fans.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 27, 2022 13:08:42 GMT -5
I agree! Yesterday JM said more or less: "We've done everything possible to screw this kid up (Daniel Jones)" That is an admission that he is in fact Jerry Seinfeld: "George, if every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right." He is more George Costanza with a giant ego and small brains... I have also referred to JM as Jerry Jones in a better wrapper. |
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Post by Bigjeep on Jan 27, 2022 13:49:45 GMT -5
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Post by Bigjeep on Jan 27, 2022 14:01:33 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree Big Jeep. Schoen is a modern leader who I don’t think is going to walk into the building cracking skulls and laying down the law. That was Getty. He’s hitting every talking point of modern leadership 101. Everyone in the building is going to be give a clean slate to demonstrate how they can contribute to the future success of the franchise. Accountability is only one tool in that toolbox. He will get everyone to buy into a standard of performance AND development. He will give employees the room to show they can get better from who and where they are right now. It won’t be a black and white “you stay and you go” process. If any employee shows a strong work ethic and ability to adapt to his process (which will be more cultural than tactical), they will have a job in Schoen’s franchise. That kind of leadership is what builds employees who are willing to run through a wall to succeed. Fear and accountability don’t create that as consistently. If players/employees start pushing back on the process, then you’ll see surprise firings and cuts/trades. But they will happen after careful consideration. This is what we’ve needed. This is the modernization of a franchise. Joe even said it about Parcells. Out of touch with how franchises are run today (but made the point very respectfully). I agree with much of what you type, but he will have to reduce the player payroll and that means cleaning house as far as the players go! |
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Post by te88 on Jan 27, 2022 14:23:02 GMT -5
He is more George Costanza with a giant ego and small brains... I have also referred to JM as Jerry Jones in a better wrapper. He’s actually less competent than Jerry Jones too. |
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 27, 2022 14:42:32 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree Big Jeep. Schoen is a modern leader who I don’t think is going to walk into the building cracking skulls and laying down the law. That was Getty. He’s hitting every talking point of modern leadership 101. Everyone in the building is going to be give a clean slate to demonstrate how they can contribute to the future success of the franchise. Accountability is only one tool in that toolbox. He will get everyone to buy into a standard of performance AND development. He will give employees the room to show they can get better from who and where they are right now. It won’t be a black and white “you stay and you go” process. If any employee shows a strong work ethic and ability to adapt to his process (which will be more cultural than tactical), they will have a job in Schoen’s franchise. That kind of leadership is what builds employees who are willing to run through a wall to succeed. Fear and accountability don’t create that as consistently. If players/employees start pushing back on the process, then you’ll see surprise firings and cuts/trades. But they will happen after careful consideration. This is what we’ve needed. This is the modernization of a franchise. Joe even said it about Parcells. Out of touch with how franchises are run today (but made the point very respectfully). I agree with much of what you type, but he will have to reduce the player payroll and that means cleaning house as far as the players go! He will definitely make hard decisions. You’re bang on. But “cleaning house” is what some fans have been calling for and they won’t get it with this GM. BUT! If he starts hearing “that’s not how we do things here”, then you’re absolutely right. He seems obsessive about getting everyone pulling in the right direction. Won’t be popular, but I don’t think Schoen’s Giants will want their #1 WR pick to be showing off a conference rivals colors on social media. He’ll give people a chance to get in line. If they don’t, watch out. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 27, 2022 15:34:28 GMT -5
I agree with much of what you type, but he will have to reduce the player payroll and that means cleaning house as far as the players go! He will definitely make hard decisions. You’re bang on. But “cleaning house” is what some fans have been calling for and they won’t get it with this GM. BUT! If he starts hearing “that’s not how we do things here”, then you’re absolutely right. He seems obsessive about getting everyone pulling in the right direction. Won’t be popular, but I don’t think Schoen’s Giants will want their #1 WR pick to be showing off a conference rivals colors on social media. He’ll give people a chance to get in line. If they don’t, watch out. Cleaning house never made sense for a team with most of its starters in place. We need some offensive linemen, a few players on defense. A TE.... It's a rounding out of the roster. And I don't think Schoen gives a damn that Toney wore a Rams mask. Skipping OTA's might be another story. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 27, 2022 23:02:15 GMT -5
He will definitely make hard decisions. You’re bang on. But “cleaning house” is what some fans have been calling for and they won’t get it with this GM. BUT! If he starts hearing “that’s not how we do things here”, then you’re absolutely right. He seems obsessive about getting everyone pulling in the right direction. Won’t be popular, but I don’t think Schoen’s Giants will want their #1 WR pick to be showing off a conference rivals colors on social media. He’ll give people a chance to get in line. If they don’t, watch out. Cleaning house never made sense for a team with most of its starters in place. We need some offensive linemen, a few players on defense. A TE.... It's a rounding out of the roster. And I don't think Schoen gives a damn that Toney wore a Rams mask. Skipping OTA's might be another story. I'd like to know if Shoen and our new HC would draft a player Toney? Or is Toney one of those talented guys that just doesn't have the right head to help build a winning team.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 28, 2022 1:12:46 GMT -5
Cleaning house never made sense for a team with most of its starters in place. We need some offensive linemen, a few players on defense. A TE.... It's a rounding out of the roster. And I don't think Schoen gives a damn that Toney wore a Rams mask. Skipping OTA's might be another story. I'd like to know if Shoen and our new HC would draft a player Toney? Or is Toney one of those talented guys that just doesn't have the right head to help build a winning team. We're going to find out. I think it's important for Toney to be a solid participant this offseason. He could be a star if they can keep him healthy. |
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Post by Martin on Jan 28, 2022 9:26:19 GMT -5
I'd like to know if Shoen and our new HC would draft a player Toney? Or is Toney one of those talented guys that just doesn't have the right head to help build a winning team. We're going to find out. I think it's important for Toney to be a solid participant this offseason. He could be a star if they can keep him healthy. Tyreek Hill lite! |
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