mattmeyerbud
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 28, 2022 10:08:21 GMT -5
The next big question is, who for OC?
Who is linked with Flories? Who isn't that you would like?
What type of guy? Do you want a young and up and coming or do you want an old vet type guy?
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 28, 2022 10:23:44 GMT -5
The next big question is, who for OC? Who is linked with Flories? Who isn't that you would like? What type of guy? Do you want a young and up and coming or do you want an old vet type guy? If I was a betting man, which I'm not, I would still bet Brian Daboll will be our next HC.
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 28, 2022 10:26:59 GMT -5
The next big question is, who for OC? Who is linked with Flories? Who isn't that you would like? What type of guy? Do you want a young and up and coming or do you want an old vet type guy? If I was a betting man, which I'm not, I would still bet Brian Daboll will be our next HC. That was looking like the probability but it looks like Miami is on the table for him. Just assuming he takes Miami job, we will most likely end up wiht a defensive minded HC. With the condition of the offense, OC is going to be the next huge decision. Just curious what everybody would like to see in that scenerio
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 28, 2022 10:31:14 GMT -5
If I was a betting man, which I'm not, I would still bet Brian Daboll will be our next HC. That was looking like the probability but it looks like Miami is on the table for him. Just assuming he takes Miami job, we will most likely end up wiht a defensive minded HC. With the condition of the offense, OC is going to be the next huge decision. Just curious what everybody would like to see in that scenerio We think we know who's who among potential OC's, but we don't. It would probably be someone we barely know anything about. I don't care if the guy is famous already.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 28, 2022 10:39:04 GMT -5
If we get Flores, we should probably let HIM pick his OC exclusively. Otherwise, we'll still be going through the same shit of firing OC's every couple of years. Other than that.....I got nothing
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Post by mendy on Jan 28, 2022 10:56:33 GMT -5
If we get Flores, we should probably let HIM pick his OC exclusively. Otherwise, we'll still be going through the same shit of firing OC's every couple of years. Other than that.....I got nothing One thing I have noticed is that it seems that a OC hired as a HC has a hard time turning over the offense to his OC. No question the people we are looking at are good at their jobs but will they be good at a job they have never done before?
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 28, 2022 11:03:17 GMT -5
I think I read that Flores is linked to Bill O'Brien as his OC (currently OC for Saban at the Tide). No idea who is linked to Frazier.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 28, 2022 11:19:58 GMT -5
If we get Flores, we should probably let HIM pick his OC exclusively. Otherwise, we'll still be going through the same shit of firing OC's every couple of years. Other than that.....I got nothing I'm sure whoever the HC is he gets to pick his OC and DC. I think it's more rare when they don't than when they do. The HC should absolutely pick his staff.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 28, 2022 11:22:01 GMT -5
daboll is the one that makes the most sense at the moment to me. TBH I'm not huge on any of the options this year. Honestly, I don't even care who the HC is at this point. I think it might be better to have a good Offensive minded coach considering the offense has been horrible, but at the end of the day we've also tried that in the past and it didn't work out..
For the first time - I just don't care who the HC turns out to be. I guess I'm jaded at this point.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 28, 2022 11:24:07 GMT -5
If I was a betting man, which I'm not, I would still bet Brian Daboll will be our next HC. That was looking like the probability but it looks like Miami is on the table for him. Just assuming he takes Miami job, we will most likely end up wiht a defensive minded HC. With the condition of the offense, OC is going to be the next huge decision. Just curious what everybody would like to see in that scenerio I think he initially planned to bring Jim Caldwell to Miami as his OC, but Caldwell had some health issue that is now resolved. Caldwell would be a good choice
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 28, 2022 11:30:30 GMT -5
I think I read that Flores is linked to Bill O'Brien as his OC (currently OC for Saban at the Tide). No idea who is linked to Frazier. Oh God I hope not. O'Brien ruins every place he goes to. I honestly don't know what people see in this guy. This guy looks good cause Belechek and Saben take him under their umbrella. He leaves them he falls on his face. He failed at Penn St. They couldn't get anybody to take the job after their scandel. then he fails with the Houston Texans. Talk about a combative personality. I really hope he doesn't come here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 11:33:57 GMT -5
Jason Garrett without a doubt!
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Post by ratbastich on Jan 28, 2022 11:34:18 GMT -5
Looks like New Orleans is reaching out to Flores for an interview per Adam Schefter 3 hours ago.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 28, 2022 11:38:02 GMT -5
If we get Flores, we should probably let HIM pick his OC exclusively. Otherwise, we'll still be going through the same shit of firing OC's every couple of years. Other than that.....I got nothing I'm sure whoever the HC is he gets to pick his OC and DC. I think it's more rare when they don't than when they do. The HC should absolutely pick his staff. Judge didn't get to pick his.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 28, 2022 11:47:19 GMT -5
Whomever it is had better be versed in 2022 era offense and be able to develop a qb..
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 28, 2022 11:52:42 GMT -5
Looks like New Orleans is reaching out to Flores for an interview per Adam Schefter 3 hours ago. I could picture that as a fit. I think we end up Daboll. Daboll was the clear favorite to start this, the first in person interview, the ties to Schoen. The window of opportunity is now, as Miami's interview is next week. I'm ok wherever we end up because I just have no idea how its going to pan out; I was leery of Flores' red flags for a while but Im just some dude watching the games on his couch, its not my problem. lol bring it on universe, who we getn?
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Post by jaymas on Jan 28, 2022 12:08:40 GMT -5
I think I read that Flores is linked to Bill O'Brien as his OC (currently OC for Saban at the Tide). No idea who is linked to Frazier. Oh God I hope not. O'Brien ruins every place he goes to. I honestly don't know what people see in this guy. This guy looks good cause Belechek and Saben take him under their umbrella. He leaves them he falls on his face. He failed at Penn St. They couldn't get anybody to take the job after their scandel. then he fails with the Houston Texans. Talk about a combative personality. I really hope he doesn't come here. Wait, what? O'Brien literally brought Penn State back after one of the biggest stories in sports history rocked them to their core. He also had the Texans as a playoff team. Where he fell down was when he became general manager of the Texans too, clearly not a fit for that job. As an OC choice, he seems like he's be a good one.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 28, 2022 12:59:29 GMT -5
I'm sure whoever the HC is he gets to pick his OC and DC. I think it's more rare when they don't than when they do. The HC should absolutely pick his staff. Judge didn't get to pick his. Yet waited 1.6 seasons to fire him? Not letting Judge off the hook for this. A suggestion was made to him, he went with it, vetted the guy, hired the guy, developed an offense with him. The offense sucked, he didn't fire him in the offseason, brought him back, then fired him. Sounds pretty indecisive to me, or a bunch of baloney that Garrett was "literally forced on him."
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 28, 2022 13:00:26 GMT -5
I'm sure whoever the HC is he gets to pick his OC and DC. I think it's more rare when they don't than when they do. The HC should absolutely pick his staff. Judge didn't get to pick his. Unfortunately this is where it went sideways
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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 28, 2022 13:00:51 GMT -5
If it is Flores and that means we get Bill O'Brien or for that matter even Jim Caldwell (maybe Caldwell gets us Peyton as QB Coach lol) as OC, I'm good. Daboll intrigues me most but if that's not possible a Flores-O'Brien/Caldwell-Graham combo works for me.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 28, 2022 13:07:00 GMT -5
Judge didn't get to pick his. Yet waited 1.6 seasons to fire him? Not letting Judge off the hook for this. A suggestion was made to him, he went with it, vetted the guy, hired the guy, developed an offense with him. The offense sucked, he didn't fire him in the offseason, brought him back, then fired him. Sounds pretty indecisive to me, or a bunch of baloney that Garrett was "literally forced on him." There was enough to fire Judge without Garrett. To lay Garrett at his feet too, seems like crossing over from holding him accountable to blaming him for everything that went wrong. He was an ST coordinator with no other HC options by the sounds of things. And a storied franchise gives him a shot. I’d like to know which fans here would tell John Mara, their new boss who gave them an opportunity of a lifetime, that you’ll refuse to work with Garrett, even if that was your opinion. As fans we seem to remove the human element from a lot of these decisions.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 28, 2022 13:19:58 GMT -5
I’m surprised Flores is in the running.
As an outsider looking in, he doesn’t seem to exude the things Schoen is looking for.
Hire a great staff:, he can’t keep one together.
Develop players: sounds like he left the dolphins because he got into a dust up with Tua and someone issue an ultimatum somewhere.
If they hire him there’s no doubt in my mind that Schoen would have satisfied himself with Flores being part of a solution instead of an imported problem.
But that doesn’t seem like a great fit from the outside looking in.
If Daboll wants Miami, my money is on Frazier.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 28, 2022 13:22:03 GMT -5
Judge didn't get to pick his. Yet waited 1.6 seasons to fire him? Not letting Judge off the hook for this. A suggestion was made to him, he went with it, vetted the guy, hired the guy, developed an offense with him. The offense sucked, he didn't fire him in the offseason, brought him back, then fired him. Sounds pretty indecisive to me, or a bunch of baloney that Garrett was "literally forced on him."I know some like to toss that a round but it's never been substantiated.
It's very obvious that some Giants fans either don't listen to John Mara when he speaks about the team's structure or they think he's bullshitting us with it.
But I'd like one person to tell me the logic that lies behind not allowing your newly hired head coach to pick his own staff.
If you don't feel comfortable with your head coach's ability to pick his own coaches, than you are an idiot for hiring him in the first place.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 28, 2022 13:34:15 GMT -5
Yet waited 1.6 seasons to fire him? Not letting Judge off the hook for this. A suggestion was made to him, he went with it, vetted the guy, hired the guy, developed an offense with him. The offense sucked, he didn't fire him in the offseason, brought him back, then fired him. Sounds pretty indecisive to me, or a bunch of baloney that Garrett was "literally forced on him." There was enough to fire Judge without Garrett. To lay Garrett at his feet too, seems like crossing over from holding him accountable to blaming him for everything that went wrong. He was an ST coordinator with no other HC options by the sounds of things. And a storied franchise gives him a shot. I’d like to know which fans here would tell John Mara, their new boss who gave them an opportunity of a lifetime, that you’ll refuse to work with Garrett, even if that was your opinion. As fans we seem to remove the human element from a lot of these decisions. Very fair. The human element AND the coin.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 28, 2022 13:36:36 GMT -5
Yet waited 1.6 seasons to fire him? Not letting Judge off the hook for this. A suggestion was made to him, he went with it, vetted the guy, hired the guy, developed an offense with him. The offense sucked, he didn't fire him in the offseason, brought him back, then fired him. Sounds pretty indecisive to me, or a bunch of baloney that Garrett was "literally forced on him." There was enough to fire Judge without Garrett. To lay Garrett at his feet too, seems like crossing over from holding him accountable to blaming him for everything that went wrong. He was an ST coordinator with no other HC options by the sounds of things. And a storied franchise gives him a shot. I’d like to know which fans here would tell John Mara, their new boss who gave them an opportunity of a lifetime, that you’ll refuse to work with Garrett, even if that was your opinion. As fans we seem to remove the human element from a lot of these decisions. I agree with the sentiment here, about the human element that makes all of this more dyanmic then we give it credit for. But a head coach is the main architect of their staff. And they have been with the Giants. No one was forced on anyone is my point. So absolving Judge because "Mara forced Garrett on him" just doesn't hold weight for me. But I agree with the idea that the suggestion probably made sense to Judge, an offensive guy that had been relatively successful as a coach, that most people say they like a lot and had head coaching experience coming in to run your offense. So they meet, find out they are aligned (at the time) and it happens. It's not wild to me that it happened, it's wild to pretend like the "force" kept him there no matter what Judge thought. I don't buy that for one second.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 28, 2022 13:41:13 GMT -5
The next big question is, who for OC? Who is linked with Flories? Who isn't that you would like? What type of guy? Do you want a young and up and coming or do you want an old vet type guy? I have heard Bill O'Brien X texans head man that seams like 1 control freak to many.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 28, 2022 13:45:39 GMT -5
Yet waited 1.6 seasons to fire him? Not letting Judge off the hook for this. A suggestion was made to him, he went with it, vetted the guy, hired the guy, developed an offense with him. The offense sucked, he didn't fire him in the offseason, brought him back, then fired him. Sounds pretty indecisive to me, or a bunch of baloney that Garrett was "literally forced on him."I know some like to toss that a round but it's never has never been substantiated.
It's very obvious that some Giants fans either don't listen to John Mara when he speaks about the team's structure or they think he's bullshitting us with it.
But I'd like one person to tell me the logic that lies behind not allowing your newly hired head coach to pick his own staff.
If you don't feel comfortable with your head coach's ability to pick his own coaches, than you are an idiot for hiring him in the first place. I think for the 2nd or 3rd time NYG brass "got played" by what other coach snubbings or hirings occurred. I think they jumped the gun hiring Judge because of the huge endorsement by BB but also they were incensed how Rhule played Carolina against them. I don't blame them one bit for throwing Rhule the middle finger when he supposedly said NYG was his dream job but It lead to Judge. Perhaps they felt if they provided him a "set of training wheels" (Garrett) it would take some pressure off him. Not to mention, I feel that some of the NYG brass(Mara) preferred Garrett. BS compromise crap. Let us not forget, NYG was getting snubbed regularly. Back then it was thought it was because they were sticking with Eli. GM candidate Dorsey grabbed Cleveland before interviewing, Hugh Jackson cancelled a HC interview, Patricia I believe declined an interview, so they went through being jilted. It does feel different this time, but in the end I just want who Schoen thinks is best.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 28, 2022 13:57:49 GMT -5
I’m surprised Flores is in the running. As an outsider looking in, he doesn’t seem to exude the things Schoen is looking for. Hire a great staff:, he can’t keep one together. Develop players: sounds like he left the dolphins because he got into a dust up with Tua and someone issue an ultimatum somewhere. If they hire him there’s no doubt in my mind that Schoen would have satisfied himself with Flores being part of a solution instead of an imported problem. But that doesn’t seem like a great fit from the outside looking in. If Daboll wants Miami, my money is on Frazier. What about "collaboration" and "stability"? Seems completely inconsistent with Flores' tenure in Miami
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 28, 2022 14:12:40 GMT -5
There was enough to fire Judge without Garrett. To lay Garrett at his feet too, seems like crossing over from holding him accountable to blaming him for everything that went wrong. He was an ST coordinator with no other HC options by the sounds of things. And a storied franchise gives him a shot. I’d like to know which fans here would tell John Mara, their new boss who gave them an opportunity of a lifetime, that you’ll refuse to work with Garrett, even if that was your opinion. As fans we seem to remove the human element from a lot of these decisions. I agree with the sentiment here, about the human element that makes all of this more dyanmic then we give it credit for. But a head coach is the main architect of their staff. And they have been with the Giants. No one was forced on anyone is my point. So absolving Judge because "Mara forced Garrett on him" just doesn't hold weight for me. But I agree with the idea that the suggestion probably made sense to Judge, an offensive guy that had been relatively successful as a coach, that most people say they like a lot and had head coaching experience coming in to run your offense. So they meet, find out they are aligned (at the time) and it happens. It's not wild to me that it happened, it's wild to pretend like the "force" kept him there no matter what Judge thought. I don't buy that for one second. That’s fair. We’re all just speculating. I believed the story that Judge wanted Garrett gone at the end of last season. I can see John pushing back on that. But it’s just speculation on my part. . And pretty useless speculation. They’re both gone now anyway.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 28, 2022 14:16:06 GMT -5
I’m surprised Flores is in the running. As an outsider looking in, he doesn’t seem to exude the things Schoen is looking for. Hire a great staff:, he can’t keep one together. Develop players: sounds like he left the dolphins because he got into a dust up with Tua and someone issue an ultimatum somewhere. If they hire him there’s no doubt in my mind that Schoen would have satisfied himself with Flores being part of a solution instead of an imported problem. But that doesn’t seem like a great fit from the outside looking in. If Daboll wants Miami, my money is on Frazier. What about "collaboration" and "stability"? Seems completely inconsistent with Flores' tenure in Miami Exactly my point. I’m allowing for there to be a lot more to this story than I know. But boy it looks weird. And I’ve slung a lot of arrows at John and his family. But I don’t think he will force a coach on Schoen right out of the gate. Some have that worry. I don’t.
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