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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 9:14:22 GMT -5
Jones’ advantage to Schoen/Daboll is the versatility of his contract. He’s here for 2022, he could be here under contract for 2022/2023, with the tag extending that stay if necessary. A word of warning for the those completely fed up with Jones: Choosing a QB is career defining. When you’re a fan and you’re done with a QB, any replacement is a good replacement because there’s no accountability in being wrong. When your job security is defined by choosing a QB, the next warm body available in the draft is not the standard you use to make that decision. I predict that unless we’re in a realistic draft position to choose a QB that Schoen is legit excited about, they’ll hang onto Jones longer than his detractors think is reasonable. 100% agree on everything.... Also why we should not discount they absolutely love one of these qbs .The one thing I do have Supreme confidence in is that coach and GM are in lockstep ... Absolutely...and the blow softens if Jones becomes a decent QB and we used a 5 or 7 pick on a QB this year, that might need a few years... or even excels right away, as we're then in a situation where we can trade Jones, or feel confident enough the new QB is ready and has enough pieces to become franchise, in the Schoen and Daboll vision of the offense. While I agree with dngfan in having more job security with Jones going forward, ultimately the security is on wins, playoffs and improvement. Just to add...think how difficult it's now going to be for Jones knowing they are about to shave 40 million and this being his make or break year for the big money year 5. If DJ does indeed make it, that kid with all he has went through should become a New York icon upon a superbowl win. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 23, 2022 9:29:14 GMT -5
Jones’ advantage to Schoen/Daboll is the versatility of his contract. He’s here for 2022, he could be here under contract for 2022/2023, with the tag extending that stay if necessary. A word of warning for the those completely fed up with Jones: Choosing a QB is career defining. When you’re a fan and you’re done with a QB, any replacement is a good replacement because there’s no accountability in being wrong. When your job security is defined by choosing a QB, the next warm body available in the draft is not the standard you use to make that decision. I predict that unless we’re in a realistic draft position to choose a QB that Schoen is legit excited about, they’ll hang onto Jones longer than his detractors think is reasonable. That’s a distinct possibility. Looking at the top 20 QBs by cap hit, it’s a fairly ugly rogues gallery of quality QBs and overpaid mediocrity. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 23, 2022 9:51:44 GMT -5
That's the huge reason We know all sides of the argument and who is on what side by heart. We have the same people making the same threads that have posted the same opinion ad nauseum See the way to handle the situation is not to send these threads to the corner. Just redirect the topic of the thread. So instead of every thread becoming a Jones thread, every Jones thread will become a cooking thread. Unless Joey is around and then lawns will come up somehow. Nice I can contribute all my air fryer recipes |
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Post by jmike on Feb 23, 2022 10:04:27 GMT -5
Or better, I could talk about my most recent accounting CPE class; that will just kill the thread in a few posts. So what have you found to be the best way to manage multistate sales tax?I just give all my docs/receipts to my stressed out tax accountant to deal with it. Of course you would. Get this, sent an email to a client yesterday with a list questions about their corp return for prep purposes. Come into today with a reply to that email: "I will check with my accountant and get back to you." The next email is a forwarded copy of the email I sent them with the question: "Could you help this person with the questions below?" I facepalmed so hard I think I gave myself a concussion. |
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Post by jmike on Feb 23, 2022 10:05:10 GMT -5
See the way to handle the situation is not to send these threads to the corner. Just redirect the topic of the thread. So instead of every thread becoming a Jones thread, every Jones thread will become a cooking thread. Unless Joey is around and then lawns will come up somehow. Nice I can contribute all my air fryer recipes Welcome addition and thank you for doing your part in the struggle. |
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 23, 2022 10:06:36 GMT -5
i also think the new GM and HC will give Jones a chance to start with a viable backup QB in case he shows he has really peaked out and is what we have seen so far... Viable backup? What’s that? one that we hope can give us a chance at winning if he has to go in instead of just being another dead body...  |
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 23, 2022 10:11:14 GMT -5
Honestly, the bickering in this fan base between Jones doubters and believers on social media has reached its capacity on level of annoyance. The front office and coaching staff will do what they feel that they need to do one way or the other. I want good and consistent play from our QB, no matter who it is. I'm on the fence with Jones, I don't like what I've seen so far with mistakes and inconsistency but I'm also afraid to jump ship on him too soon because he might be ready to take the next step like some young QBs do... |
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Post by jmike on Feb 23, 2022 10:14:10 GMT -5
Honestly, the bickering in this fan base between Jones doubters and believers on social media has reached its capacity on level of annoyance. The front office and coaching staff will do what they feel that they need to do one way or the other. I want good and consistent play from our QB, no matter who it is. I'm on the fence with Jones, I don't like what I've seen so far with mistakes and inconsistency but I'm also afraid to jump ship on him too soon because he might be ready to take the next step like some young QBs do... Maybe. But did you remember to confirm the amount of your advanced child tax credit. Since the IRS announced the documents they sent out might not be right. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 23, 2022 10:34:48 GMT -5
That's the huge reason We know all sides of the argument and who is on what side by heart. We have the same people making the same threads that have posted the same opinion ad nauseum See the way to handle the situation is not to send these threads to the corner. Just redirect the topic of the thread. So instead of every thread becoming a Jones thread, every Jones thread will become a cooking thread. Unless Joey is around and then lawns will come up somehow. Or here’s an idea. How about not reading or participating in the threads that don’t interest you? |
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 23, 2022 10:41:58 GMT -5
Honestly, the bickering in this fan base between Jones doubters and believers on social media has reached its capacity on level of annoyance. The front office and coaching staff will do what they feel that they need to do one way or the other. I want good and consistent play from our QB, no matter who it is. I'm on the fence with Jones, I don't like what I've seen so far with mistakes and inconsistency but I'm also afraid to jump ship on him too soon because he might be ready to take the next step like some young QBs do... This is the only reasonable way to look at him. |
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Post by jmike on Feb 23, 2022 10:46:18 GMT -5
See the way to handle the situation is not to send these threads to the corner. Just redirect the topic of the thread. So instead of every thread becoming a Jones thread, every Jones thread will become a cooking thread. Unless Joey is around and then lawns will come up somehow. Or here’s an idea. How about not reading or participating in the threads that don’t interest you? pffft....what's the fun in that...geez |
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Post by SG88 on Feb 23, 2022 12:03:13 GMT -5
Or better, I could talk about my most recent accounting CPE class; that will just kill the thread in a few posts. So what have you found to be the best way to manage multistate sales tax?I just give all my docs/receipts to my stressed out tax accountant to deal with it. Are you a 1099? |
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 23, 2022 12:07:24 GMT -5
Jones’ advantage to Schoen/Daboll is the versatility of his contract. He’s here for 2022, he could be here under contract for 2022/2023, with the tag extending that stay if necessary. A word of warning for the those completely fed up with Jones: Choosing a QB is career defining. When you’re a fan and you’re done with a QB, any replacement is a good replacement because there’s no accountability in being wrong. When your job security is defined by choosing a QB, the next warm body available in the draft is not the standard you use to make that decision. I predict that unless we’re in a realistic draft position to choose a QB that Schoen is legit excited about, they’ll hang onto Jones longer than his detractors think is reasonable. I agree with most of this and outlined it in my 2022/2023 plans (as a fan). But wrt to your bolded words. We know the NFL is a results business. And results are expected to be produced within a 3-4 year window. So why would Schoen want to define his first (and maybe only) GM career based on Gettleman's choice? I have a feeling that they'll bring in Trubisky or Taylor or someone else that can legitimately compete for the starting QB position this year. Then proceed with making their choice at a franchise QB.
I don't think it matters very much who drafted the player. He's either a guy you want keep or he's not.
Sometimes GM's don't have much of a choice as Jerry Reese can attest to - although I don't think he'd complain very much with his name is engraved on two Lombardi's.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 23, 2022 12:07:32 GMT -5
Of course you would. Get this, sent an email to a client yesterday with a list questions about their corp return for prep purposes. Come into today with a reply to that email: "I will check with my accountant and get back to you." The next email is a forwarded copy of the email I sent them with the question: "Could you help this person with the questions below?" I facepalmed so hard I think I gave myself a concussion. Wowzer. I'm not that bad. I have everything super organized in folder directories for my accountant. She loves me. Good on you! I'm personally glad that I'm involved more in Tax Controversy at the firm I work for. One of the cases I'm currently working on have me going through about 2000 pages of receipts and bank statements trying to determine ordinary and necessary business expenses where the bookkeeper did next to no determination. The only good news is that I have until June. |
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Post by SG88 on Feb 23, 2022 12:09:29 GMT -5
I'm on the fence with Jones, I don't like what I've seen so far with mistakes and inconsistency but I'm also afraid to jump ship on him too soon because he might be ready to take the next step like some young QBs do... Maybe. But did you remember to confirm the amount of your advanced child tax credit. Since the IRS announced the documents they sent out might not be right. Most smart people opted out after receiving that first advance payment last year. |
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Post by jmike on Feb 23, 2022 12:20:37 GMT -5
Maybe. But did you remember to confirm the amount of your advanced child tax credit. Since the IRS announced the documents they sent out might not be right. Most smart people opted out after receiving that first advance payment last year. Which means very few people in all. |
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Post by SG88 on Feb 23, 2022 12:29:12 GMT -5
Most smart people opted out after receiving that first advance payment last year. Which means very few people in all. What happens is that people forget about the word "advance". They don’t realize that they will have to give that money back come tax time. I am not doing any tax prep outside of my own this year, but expect a lot of people to complain about their overpayments being lower or their balances due being higher. |
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Post by jmike on Feb 23, 2022 12:38:23 GMT -5
Which means very few people in all. What happens is that people forget about the word "advance". They don’t realize that they will have to give that money back come tax time. I am not doing any tax prep outside of my own this year, but expect a lot of people to complain about their overpayments being lower or their balances due being higher. Exactly what is happening, and of course its my fault. Someone actually said to me.....then don't put it in that I got it. sigh |
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Post by jmike on Feb 23, 2022 12:46:40 GMT -5
Wowzer. I'm not that bad. I have everything super organized in folder directories for my accountant. She loves me. Good on you! I'm personally glad that I'm involved more in Tax Controversy at the firm I work for. One of the cases I'm currently working on have me going through about 2000 pages of receipts and bank statements trying to determine ordinary and necessary business expenses where the bookkeeper did next to no determination. The only good news is that I have until June. Get this....spent 3 days in September cleaning up the books of a client that were an absolute train wreck because their bookkeeper is terrible. Figured ok, we are good, not much she can mess up in the last 4 months and I can fix that(QB Online so no back-up). They hadn't filed a return since 2015(1120S). So got 2016-2020 filed. Figured we are good. Got the books back in January and looks like everything I did got undone and then some. So I run an audit report. 24 hours after I had given them their books back, she went through and deleted every single journal entry I had made and to add to it went through and started deleting random transactions this year and going all the way back to 2012. Must have taken her all day just to do all of that. Balance sheet is out of balance by over $2million. How did she even manage that for crying out loud? |
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Post by SG88 on Feb 23, 2022 12:48:15 GMT -5
What happens is that people forget about the word "advance". They don’t realize that they will have to give that money back come tax time. I am not doing any tax prep outside of my own this year, but expect a lot of people to complain about their overpayments being lower or their balances due being higher. Exactly what is happening, and of course its my fault. Someone actually said to me.....then don't put it in that I got it. sigh I certainly wouldn't listen to that someone. The Service will know if you got it or not. Lol |
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Post by jmike on Feb 23, 2022 12:53:55 GMT -5
What happens is that people forget about the word "advance". They don’t realize that they will have to give that money back come tax time. I am not doing any tax prep outside of my own this year, but expect a lot of people to complain about their overpayments being lower or their balances due being higher. I took the advanced payments not giving a shit about later on. I know it's not the best move but I honestly couldn't care less. If you understand it is an advance, there really isn't an issue. Too many thought it was just free money. I end up owing a ton every year and I don't care because I know it's coming. Cover my 110% safe harbor and pay the difference. Last year was worse then usual, my boss reviewed my return and was like WTF?!?! I owed the IRS more than he paid me last year on top of the 110% I already paid. |
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Post by jmike on Feb 23, 2022 12:58:09 GMT -5
Get this....spent 3 days in September cleaning up the books of a client that were an absolute train wreck because their bookkeeper is terrible. Figured ok, we are good, not much she can mess up in the last 4 months and I can fix that(QB Online so no back-up). They hadn't filed a return since 2015(1120S). So got 2016-2020 filed. Figured we are good. Got the books back in January and looks like everything I did got undone and then some. So I run an audit report. 24 hours after I had given them their books back, she went through and deleted every single journal entry I had made and to add to it went through and started deleting random transactions this year and going all the way back to 2012. Must have taken her all day just to do all of that. Balance sheet is out of balance by over $2million. How did she even manage that for crying out loud? Walk away. Just walk away from that one. I pretty much did. I said you are going on extension and I will look at it again in June AFTER she puts back all the items she deleted. If she doesn't, I'll spend the time and bill the time do clean it all up again and get your 2021 return done, but we won't be doing your 2022 books or return in that case. They respond with "I should find someone else to handle our account them." I said by all means, please do. But they won't unfortunately. |
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Post by Bigjeep on Feb 23, 2022 13:11:31 GMT -5
See the way to handle the situation is not to send these threads to the corner. Just redirect the topic of the thread. So instead of every thread becoming a Jones thread, every Jones thread will become a cooking thread. Unless Joey is around and then lawns will come up somehow. Or here’s an idea. How about not reading or participating in the threads that don’t interest you? Guess they never thought of that approach!  |
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 23, 2022 13:42:32 GMT -5
Of course you would. Get this, sent an email to a client yesterday with a list questions about their corp return for prep purposes. Come into today with a reply to that email: "I will check with my accountant and get back to you." The next email is a forwarded copy of the email I sent them with the question: "Could you help this person with the questions below?" I facepalmed so hard I think I gave myself a concussion. Wowzer. I'm not that bad. I have everything super organized in folder directories for my accountant. She loves me. Me too. I feel like I'm not making her work hard enough. |
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Post by jmike on Feb 23, 2022 14:18:45 GMT -5
Wowzer. I'm not that bad. I have everything super organized in folder directories for my accountant. She loves me. Me too. I feel like I'm not making her work hard enough. Hey now, keep it in your pants. |
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Post by Nick6475 on Feb 23, 2022 15:52:56 GMT -5
I took the advanced payments not giving a shit about later on. I know it's not the best move but I honestly couldn't care less. If you understand it is an advance, there really isn't an issue. Too many thought it was just free money. I end up owing a ton every year and I don't care because I know it's coming. Cover my 110% safe harbor and pay the difference. Last year was worse then usual, my boss reviewed my return and was like WTF?!?! I owed the IRS more than he paid me last year on top of the 110% I already paid. Yeah, money now is almost always better than money in the future. |
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Post by jmike on Feb 23, 2022 15:54:28 GMT -5
Me too. I feel like I'm not making her work hard enough. If jmike was my accountant this is how I'd submit my documents/receipts:  Cha-Ching. $175/hour buddy and I'll take my time picking that up and organizing it. |
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 23, 2022 16:38:48 GMT -5
there are valid reasons Jones is in this situation. The new GM and HC will give him another shot but, IMO, will have competition in camp. They will handle Jones' contract in a way that is the most friendly to the this year's cap and going forward. Its not much of a gamble. The light either goes on in 2022 or it doesnt. I agree that the team will start with Jones but they should also have competition waiting if he falters, I also think Trubisky would be a damn good idea as that competition.. |
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Post by GameTime on Feb 23, 2022 20:16:20 GMT -5
there are valid reasons Jones is in this situation. The new GM and HC will give him another shot but, IMO, will have competition in camp. They will handle Jones' contract in a way that is the most friendly to the this year's cap and going forward. Its not much of a gamble. The light either goes on in 2022 or it doesnt. I agree that the team will start with Jones but they should also have competition waiting if he falters, I also think Trubisky would be a damn good idea as that competition.. yeah Trubisky would provide competition for Jones and he has won way more games as well. |
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Post by cdngfan on Feb 24, 2022 7:08:04 GMT -5
Jones’ advantage to Schoen/Daboll is the versatility of his contract. He’s here for 2022, he could be here under contract for 2022/2023, with the tag extending that stay if necessary. A word of warning for the those completely fed up with Jones: Choosing a QB is career defining. When you’re a fan and you’re done with a QB, any replacement is a good replacement because there’s no accountability in being wrong. When your job security is defined by choosing a QB, the next warm body available in the draft is not the standard you use to make that decision. I predict that unless we’re in a realistic draft position to choose a QB that Schoen is legit excited about, they’ll hang onto Jones longer than his detractors think is reasonable. I agree with most of this and outlined it in my 2022/2023 plans (as a fan). But wrt to your bolded words. We know the NFL is a results business. And results are expected to be produced within a 3-4 year window. So why would Schoen want to define his first (and maybe only) GM career based on Gettleman's choice? I have a feeling that they'll bring in Trubisky or Taylor or someone else that can legitimately compete for the starting QB position this year. Then proceed with making their choice at a franchise QB. I don’t think Schoen gives a flying fadoo who chose Jones. I think the only thing he cares about is can he win with him. There’s a portion of the fanbase that has already decided that Jones is a bust, but Schoen is going to be 100% sure that Jones’ play didn’t have anything to do with the roster or coaching or the culture of the team. It’s a huge advantage to Schoen if Jones is our Garapolo. Not someone good enough to carry a team but good enough to win in the playoffs with. It gives the franchise more time to find a replacement. It’s sounds like you agree, but Schoen will not be “ready” to move on from Jones based on Jone play. He’ll be ready to move on from Jones when he sees the im replacement he’s willing to bet his job on. It’s a results business but Schoen ha at least three seasons before Mara (not the fans) start thinking about replacing him. Just my opinion, it he’ll have more patience from his boss making a thoughtful vs panicked decision at QB, including keeping Jones longer than fans would. Why do you think they’ll bring in someone to “compete” for the position? For QBs that seem to have a desire to win, and by every account I’ve read being competitive isn’t Jones’ issue, other than the usual “every starting role is up for grabs” standard response, in. It sure what signaling to everyone that Jones doesn’t have the support of the franchise does to help us win. other than being a competent backup given his injury history, I’m not sure why there’s this desire to have a backup who competes for the starting role. Just my opinion, but I think NYG fans underestimate how much GMs and coaches manage the media and fan reaction here. Even with the lies GMs tell the fanbase (“we can win with Eli”), the intensity to change QBs in this town is unbearable. Even if your open to pulling your QB in favour of your backup, I can’t imagine you’d ever even hint at that to the fans. |
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