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Post by mrmaad on Sept 30, 2018 18:30:33 GMT -5
Same old stuff with this team. If we want to compete with the big teams in the league we have to make the hard decisions. Eli can't be here next season if this is as best the oline will be
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 18:30:40 GMT -5
Start Kyle Lauletta next week. I don't care if he isn't ready. We need to tank.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 18:30:42 GMT -5
I said it after the Dallas game. I do not believe we can win with Eli as our QB. Eli cannot extend plays and he's been horribly inaccurate on long passes. He will not be on the team next season. i think the problem is he only attempted 3 long passes! 31 for 41. This is either the way shrmur wants him to run the offense, or him just not taking enough shots because he doesn’t trust his protection ... or his arm I don't trust either.
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Post by nycisgreat on Sept 30, 2018 18:31:20 GMT -5
The offense is way to conservative. The coaching staff appears to be paralyzed by the fear of making mistakes in games. This is the same stuff every week.
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Post by nyer on Sept 30, 2018 18:31:28 GMT -5
Crappy D Saints gets a lift from their QB. No such luck with Big Blue. Both teams have offensive weapons. We even had the better D IMO. I hate that dopey look from Eli after a loss. F this team right now!
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Post by SG88 on Sept 30, 2018 18:32:07 GMT -5
They just drove 97 yards to close the deal. This team is heading right back towards the top of the draft. Here comes some more garbage time stats for the offense. you honestly can't make this shit up.. I mean I wasn't expecting world beaters, in fact I was expecting a losing season, but with improvements. Years and years of Reese destryoing the roster can't be built back up by anyone within a year, but this team is just as bad if not worse than last year. From top to bottom this team is a disaster. The QB is right at the top of the blame list. If the giants were good, he would be getting the bulk of the credit. They suck ass, so he should rightfully get the blame. New England has a shit oline and less weapons on offense. Seattle has an even worse oline and no weapons on offense. They seem to be doing at least ok on offense.
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Post by Helmet on Sept 30, 2018 18:32:43 GMT -5
Eli Manning is not an NFL QB anymore. Its painfully obvious. Ben McAdoo was 100% correct. BM was garbage
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Post by SG88 on Sept 30, 2018 18:32:53 GMT -5
Anyway, Mayfield is killing it and winning! 48 points! The giants were gonna take him if he was available at 2.
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 30, 2018 18:33:43 GMT -5
Well I said in the prediction post that I didn't want to make a prediction because 3 games into the season is not enough of a sample size to know what this team really is...I think we all know the answer after today...we suck, mostly on the offense side of the ball....high draft pick here we come...
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Post by yoho on Sept 30, 2018 18:35:01 GMT -5
At a loss here... I'm an older Giants fan and it just feels like we're heading into a dark time once again... circa mid 90s after LT and Simms retired. This will be the second futile season in a row for us... The hope is we'll get better but we have all new coaches and only 19 players from last season but we all see the same stuff happening, mainly offensive ineptitude. Does a new QB really change that? Aside form the fact that Eli has what? 2 more years? The Giants front office hasn’t figured out yet that you need a QB with at least some mobility to buy some time. Eli is the most immobile QB in the league.
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Post by krappdetector on Sept 30, 2018 18:35:03 GMT -5
i think the problem is he only attempted 3 long passes! 31 for 41. This is either the way shrmur wants him to run the offense, or him just not taking enough shots because he doesn’t trust his protection ... or his arm I don't trust either. Isn't 31 out of 41 almost a 75% completion rate? That's excellent, and we can build on that going forward.
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Post by Merc on Sept 30, 2018 18:35:13 GMT -5
The offense is way to conservative. The coaching staff appears to be paralyzed by the fear of making mistakes in games. This is the same stuff every week. I'm not sure its not Eli using checkdowns on long pass plays. He needs to go.
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Post by nycisgreat on Sept 30, 2018 18:36:11 GMT -5
I said it after the Dallas game. I do not believe we can win with Eli as our QB. Eli cannot extend plays and he's been horribly inaccurate on long passes. He will not be on the team next season. i think the problem is he only attempted 3 long passes! 31 for 41. This is either the way shrmur wants him to run the offense, or him just not taking enough shots because he doesn’t trust his protection ... or his arm This is exactly how I feel about this team. Also to add to that. I really wish the owners would have opened the piggy back for TC the way they did after he was fired. This team have no legitimate structure. It may take a few years for that to happen. I give it a few more weeks before some people start making noise to the media anonymously if they keep losing in this fashion.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 30, 2018 18:36:59 GMT -5
They just drove 97 yards to close the deal. This team is heading right back towards the top of the draft. Here comes some more garbage time stats for the offense.Just curious.. does any reporting entity differentiate between meaningful stats and GARBAGE TIME stats? I think that would be very interesting to know. The total QBR statistic actually takes when the plays happen into consideration for the grade. Of course FF couldn't care less. That is why people tune into games that are already decided.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 30, 2018 18:39:34 GMT -5
Start Kyle Lauletta next week. I don't care if he isn't ready. Lol, might as well. We can be trash with or without Eli Manning. He makes next to no difference
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Post by boxcarwillie on Sept 30, 2018 18:40:11 GMT -5
Here's my level headed take on it all:
This team is a "loser" team right now. They don't make the key plays.(I watched this from '68-'81, this feels familiar).
The Offensive Line IS the weakest link on the squad. If they were an upper middle quality unit- this team would be very good. We just played a team that has been gashed by big plays for 3 weeks, and we didn't barely attempt a pass of over 10 yards- so either Shurmur/Shula are morons, or they have their hands tied by the weak O-line. (It's the latter IMO).
Eli would be pretty good with protection, but he's helpless without it. I wish we had a different QB, but he's not the root of our problems, just a large branch.
1-3 is not the end in a division where 2-2 is first place (how'd the 'Skins do? they could be 3-1).
So, they have some strong points and players, but the weak O-line starts a chain reaction that affects the whole.
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Post by nycisgreat on Sept 30, 2018 18:41:12 GMT -5
i think the problem is he only attempted 3 long passes! 31 for 41. This is either the way shrmur wants him to run the offense, or him just not taking enough shots because he doesn’t trust his protection ... or his arm This is exactly how I feel about this team. Also to add to that. I really wish the owners would have opened the piggy back for TC the way they did after he was fired. This team have no legitimate structure. It may take a few years for that to happen. I give it a few more weeks before some people start making noise to the media anonymously if they keep losing in this fashion. Every week each team play us the same way. Rush 4 occasional blitz. It is the QB have no time to throw the ball or essentially a coverage sack. OC has zero imagination. We know the the weakest link is offensive line why not design a game plan around that factor. The offense looks the same way every single week. With no change.
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Post by krappdetector on Sept 30, 2018 18:47:46 GMT -5
Just curious.. does any reporting entity differentiate between meaningful stats and GARBAGE TIME stats? I think that would be very interesting to know. The total QBR statistic actually takes when the plays happen into consideration for the grade. Of course FF couldn't care less. That is why people tune into games that are already decided. Thank you, I did not know that as I am still learning...
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Post by Helmet on Sept 30, 2018 18:50:06 GMT -5
i think the problem is he only attempted 3 long passes! 31 for 41. This is either the way shrmur wants him to run the offense, or him just not taking enough shots because he doesn’t trust his protection ... or his arm This is exactly how I feel about this team. Also to add to that. I really wish the owners would have opened the piggy back for TC the way they did after he was fired. This team have no legitimate structure. It may take a few years for that to happen. I give it a few more weeks before some people start making noise to the media anonymously if they keep losing in this fashion. absolutely. Season’s on the line. If they lose the next two weeks, this is going to get ugly quick
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Post by r2z2 on Sept 30, 2018 18:55:47 GMT -5
Lmao this defense. Average until you need a stop. This is a 5 win team at best. U just turned the game on? Not quite watching the same game as you I guess Yup I sure did you dumb ****. I saw the defense give up big plays in the running game and display poor tackling.
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Post by Jaydub on Sept 30, 2018 19:01:07 GMT -5
Yeah, close to an interception everything is close to an INT when you can’t stand Eli. If thats what you need to believe, so be it. It was a throw into double coverage that was nearly picked off. How anyone feels about Eli is completely and totally irrelevant to the case.
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Post by bigbluefoo on Sept 30, 2018 19:01:53 GMT -5
I'm very upset and frustrated, but don't forget we may have won the game had the refs called the game fairly. We got done on about half a dozen killer flags. I was hugely disappointed in Eli in the first half with the dumpoffs and missed Obj throws altho Gallman fumble probably cost us the game. Second half was better Eli made big plays but our D was gassed by then. Eli still makes all the throws when given time in the pocket but our guard play is horrible. Hey we hung in till the end. Not the end of the world but we don't do nearly enough to win games right now.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 30, 2018 19:04:16 GMT -5
Start Kyle Lauletta next week. I don't care if he isn't ready. Lol, might as well. We can be trash with or without Eli Manning. He makes next to no difference Except he is costing us $20m a year lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 19:06:06 GMT -5
Why isn't anyone talking about the refs. The first play on their last drive, Brees was in the endzone and his olineman got beat and should have been called for a holding. The refs gave them every call. It was just pathetic.
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Post by Jaydub on Sept 30, 2018 19:08:54 GMT -5
Here's my level headed take on it all: This team is a "loser" team right now. They don't make the key plays.(I watched this from '68-'81, this feels familiar). The Offensive Line IS the weakest link on the squad. If they were an upper middle quality unit- this team would be very good. We just played a team that has been gashed by big plays for 3 weeks, and we didn't barely attempt a pass of over 10 yards- so either Shurmur/Shula are morons, or they have their hands tied by the weak O-line. (It's the latter IMO). Eli would be pretty good with protection, but he's helpless without it. 1-3 is not the end in a division where 2-2 is first place (how'd the 'Skins do? they could be 3-1). So, they have some strong points and players, but the weak O-line starts a chain reaction that affects the whole. Eli had some of the best protection he has had for some time today. They gave him plenty of time on quite a few occasions, and he STILL checked down. He doesn't look downfield because he's scared, and that is 100% mental, meaning that it's 100% on him to get it figured out and work through it in a hurry, before the entire season is in the toilet again. Now before anyone takes this as me thinking that the OL is suddenly great, or even very good, because thats not what I'm implying. They are still a big part of the issues, but they have definitely improved, starting with last week's game against Houston. They have noticeably improved in pass protection and given Eli far more time than they have been previously, and he's still doing the same dink and dunk checkdown crap that he's been doing for going on 4 years. Again, that is 100% on him, and no one in their right mind is going to deny it
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Post by Jaydub on Sept 30, 2018 19:11:50 GMT -5
The offense is way to conservative. The coaching staff appears to be paralyzed by the fear of making mistakes in games. This is the same stuff every week. I'm not so sure that its the coaching staff as much as it is Eli being the one who is scared. The offensive gameplan actually looked fairly good today, they just didn't execute 90% of the time because Eli was too busy checking down and throwing high.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 19:11:50 GMT -5
I'm active and at a good weight. Based on your picture, you're not
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Post by Jaydub on Sept 30, 2018 19:13:29 GMT -5
Why isn't anyone talking about the refs. The first play on their last drive, Brees was in the endzone and his olineman got beat and should have been called for a holding. The refs gave them every call. It was just pathetic. Because blaming the refs for the offense looking like a pile of garbage is kind of counter-productive and ridiculous.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Sept 30, 2018 19:15:44 GMT -5
Here's my level headed take on it all: This team is a "loser" team right now. They don't make the key plays.(I watched this from '68-'81, this feels familiar). The Offensive Line IS the weakest link on the squad. If they were an upper middle quality unit- this team would be very good. We just played a team that has been gashed by big plays for 3 weeks, and we didn't barely attempt a pass of over 10 yards- so either Shurmur/Shula are morons, or they have their hands tied by the weak O-line. (It's the latter IMO). Eli would be pretty good with protection, but he's helpless without it. 1-3 is not the end in a division where 2-2 is first place (how'd the 'Skins do? they could be 3-1). So, they have some strong points and players, but the weak O-line starts a chain reaction that affects the whole. Eli had some of the best protection he has had for some time today. They gave him plenty of time on quite a few occasions, and he STILL checked down. He doesn't look downfield because he's scared, and that is 100% mental, meaning that it's 100% on him to get it figured out and work through it in a hurry, before the entire season is in the toilet again. Now before anyone takes this as me thinking that the OL is suddenly great, or even very good, because thats not what I'm implying. They are still a big part of the issues, but they have definitely improved, starting with last week's game against Houston. They have noticeably improved in pass protection and given Eli far more time than they have been previously, and he's still doing the same dink and dunk checkdown crap that he's been doing for going on 4 years. Again, that is 100% on him, and no one in their right mind is going to deny it Yeah. It's both. When O-line is pretty good Eli is okay. When O-line is bad Eli is helpless. They're both equally responsible, I guess, that this team with talented playmakers have only scored 20 points once in the first 4 games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 19:17:07 GMT -5
Eli Knights will be throwing that around all week.
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