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Post by vinnie on Aug 28, 2022 16:43:25 GMT -5
I just hope our D line can get pressure quickly (or Winks blitz disguises) because I think our starting secondary will get absolutely torched by most QB’s and slightly better than average receivers. Hope I eat crow on this one. Leonard Williams played zero snaps this preseason. That's all I need to know. What's understood doesn't need to be said 😉 Based on some of these comments, it absolutely needs to be said. I love the irony of it all. Our backups play fairly well against the starters from the worst defense in the league last year and one of the worst offenses and it’s got people feeling giddy (good for them). But when our starters played other teams back ups all pre season and the results weren’t much different people were giddy about how good our offense and defense looked. It can’t go both ways, so which is it? I’m going with being concerned that our starters didn’t do better against other teams back ups. I couldn’t care less about how our back ups did against the f’in Jets starters. Now if our back ups were playing starters like Denver, KC, Rams, TB, etc instead of the Jets starters who most wouldn’t make most teams starting line up, then I would be more excited. I guarantee most fans of the teams who our starters played against their back ups in the pre season were saying the same thing about their back ups. “Gee, they looked pretty good against the Giants starters” and rightfully so.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 28, 2022 16:46:20 GMT -5
let's just hope that when we have starters in there, we get a different song. We'll see in 2 weeks. I just hope our D line can get pressure quickly (or Winks blitz disguises) because I think our starting secondary will get absolutely torched by most QB’s and slightly better than average receivers. Hope I eat crow on this one. more times than not its the underneath players who get smoked on blitzes not the deep guys. LBs, strong safties and nickles
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Post by presumablygunner on Aug 28, 2022 16:48:12 GMT -5
Leonard Williams played zero snaps this preseason. That's all I need to know. What's understood doesn't need to be said 😉 Based on some of these comments, it absolutely needs to be said. I love the irony of it all. Our backups play fairly well against the starters from the worst defense in the league last year and one of the worst offenses and it’s got people feeling giddy (good for them). But when our starters played other teams back ups all pre season and the results weren’t much different people were giddy about how good our offense and defense looked. It can’t go both ways, so which is it? I’m going with being concerned that our starters didn’t do better against other teams back ups. I couldn’t care less about how our back ups did against the f’in Jets starters. Now if our back ups were playing starters like Denver, KC, Rams, TB, etc instead of the Jets starters who most wouldn’t make most teams starting line up, then I would be more excited. I guarantee most fans of the teams who our starters played against their back ups in the pre season were saying the same thing about their back ups. “Gee, they looked pretty good against the Giants starters” and rightfully so. too much schematics, I will revisit after week 1
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Post by vinnie on Aug 28, 2022 17:11:43 GMT -5
I just hope our D line can get pressure quickly (or Winks blitz disguises) because I think our starting secondary will get absolutely torched by most QB’s and slightly better than average receivers. Hope I eat crow on this one. more times than not its the underneath players who get smoked on blitzes not the deep guys. LBs, strong safties and nickles We’ll see, won’t we?
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Post by vinnie on Aug 28, 2022 17:14:26 GMT -5
Based on some of these comments, it absolutely needs to be said. I love the irony of it all. Our backups play fairly well against the starters from the worst defense in the league last year and one of the worst offenses and it’s got people feeling giddy (good for them). But when our starters played other teams back ups all pre season and the results weren’t much different people were giddy about how good our offense and defense looked. It can’t go both ways, so which is it? I’m going with being concerned that our starters didn’t do better against other teams back ups. I couldn’t care less about how our back ups did against the f’in Jets starters. Now if our back ups were playing starters like Denver, KC, Rams, TB, etc instead of the Jets starters who most wouldn’t make most teams starting line up, then I would be more excited. I guarantee most fans of the teams who our starters played against their back ups in the pre season were saying the same thing about their back ups. “Gee, they looked pretty good against the Giants starters” and rightfully so. too much schematics, I will revisit after week 1 I’ll dumb it down for you after week 1 but I think what I said will be obvious based on the score with the caveat that in week 1 there are often a lot of surprises that are only illusions for what teams really are.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 28, 2022 17:15:02 GMT -5
more times than not its the underneath players who get smoked on blitzes not the deep guys. LBs, strong safties and nickles We’ll see, won’t we? either way they will get beat on the blitz if they cant cover
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Post by presumablygunner on Aug 28, 2022 17:15:09 GMT -5
too much schematics, I will revisit after week 1 I’ll dumb it down for you after week 1 but I think what I said will be obvious based on the score with the caveat that in week 1 there are often a lot of surprises that are only illusions for what teams really are. ok so you're guessing just like me... Noted
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Post by SG88 on Aug 28, 2022 17:17:54 GMT -5
Leonard Williams played zero snaps this preseason. That's all I need to know. What's understood doesn't need to be said 😉 Based on some of these comments, it absolutely needs to be said. I love the irony of it all. Our backups play fairly well against the starters from the worst defense in the league last year and one of the worst offenses and it’s got people feeling giddy (good for them). But when our starters played other teams back ups all pre season and the results weren’t much different people were giddy about how good our offense and defense looked. It can’t go both ways, so which is it? I’m going with being concerned that our starters didn’t do better against other teams back ups. I couldn’t care less about how our back ups did against the f’in Jets starters. Now if our back ups were playing starters like Denver, KC, Rams, TB, etc instead of the Jets starters who most wouldn’t make most teams starting line up, then I would be more excited. I guarantee most fans of the teams who our starters played against their back ups in the pre season were saying the same thing about their back ups. “Gee, they looked pretty good against the Giants starters” and rightfully so. Preseason football to me is pretty pointless for starters, regardless of their success or struggles. IMO, a preseason win occurs when you dodge the serious injury bullet. Nothing I saw this preseason moved the needle in either direction IMO. One thing that has changed is that our games won't be over at the coinflip like they were last year. Football fans in every fanbase overrate and overreact to any preseason success or struggles. It is what it is.
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Post by balloonknot on Aug 28, 2022 17:27:16 GMT -5
There was a blatant hold right in front of the ref the old line took the defensive player down to the ground. Basically tackled the guy. I saw that as well. The LT literally dragged the defender down as he was turning the corner on the way to a QB Sack/Pressure
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2022 17:29:00 GMT -5
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2022 17:30:59 GMT -5
Based on some of these comments, it absolutely needs to be said. I love the irony of it all. Our backups play fairly well against the starters from the worst defense in the league last year and one of the worst offenses and it’s got people feeling giddy (good for them). But when our starters played other teams back ups all pre season and the results weren’t much different people were giddy about how good our offense and defense looked. It can’t go both ways, so which is it? I’m going with being concerned that our starters didn’t do better against other teams back ups. I couldn’t care less about how our back ups did against the f’in Jets starters. Now if our back ups were playing starters like Denver, KC, Rams, TB, etc instead of the Jets starters who most wouldn’t make most teams starting line up, then I would be more excited. I guarantee most fans of the teams who our starters played against their back ups in the pre season were saying the same thing about their back ups. “Gee, they looked pretty good against the Giants starters” and rightfully so. Preseason football to me is pretty pointless for starters, regardless of their success or struggles. IMO, a preseason win occurs when you dodge the serious injury bullet. Nothing I saw this preseason moved the needle in either direction IMO. One thing that has changed is that our games won't be over at the coinflip like they were last year. Football fans in every fanbase overrate and overreact to any preseason success or struggles. It is what it is. The only purpose of camp for the starters is to be in football shape for week 1. That is it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 28, 2022 17:55:03 GMT -5
Talking about the inability to get a stop with 2minutes or less at the end of halves and games. big blue I know you know better than that. What are you expecting with fringe NFL guys out there. The fact it was competitive up until that point is good enough I agree all I said is it was a reminder of last year, responding to Fletch's post that he was a little disappointed they couldn't get those stops. I get how he feels those 2 situations last year were the difference between 3 or 4 more wins last year. different situation this game and last year tho for sure.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 28, 2022 17:56:21 GMT -5
Poor Khalil Dorsey, kid was absolutely Shredded Schoen and Coach will need to work the Waiver Wire for some Lineman and DB's, the Depth not looking good at those Positions Maybe he will get a shot with another team if not the USFL for some further development.
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Post by vinnie on Aug 28, 2022 17:56:43 GMT -5
either way they will get beat on the blitz if they cant cover I think that will be the biggest weakness on the entire team followed by the O line.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 28, 2022 17:58:22 GMT -5
Preseason football to me is pretty pointless for starters, regardless of their success or struggles. IMO, a preseason win occurs when you dodge the serious injury bullet. Nothing I saw this preseason moved the needle in either direction IMO. One thing that has changed is that our games won't be over at the coinflip like they were last year. Football fans in every fanbase overrate and overreact to any preseason success or struggles. It is what it is. The only purpose of camp for the starters is to be in football shape for week 1. That is it. Not when you have a new coach and coordinators they better be learning and getting the timing down.
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Post by vinnie on Aug 28, 2022 18:00:33 GMT -5
I’ll dumb it down for you after week 1 but I think what I said will be obvious based on the score with the caveat that in week 1 there are often a lot of surprises that are only illusions for what teams really are. ok so you're guessing just like me... Noted TN is favored by 6.5. I don’t like betting on weeks 1-3 games because there’s too much wackiness but I’ll do an avatar bet with you. So care to make it interesting?
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Post by OrangeGiant on Aug 28, 2022 18:10:03 GMT -5
I think overall the roster has improved, and I think without question this team will be better coached and scheme better on both sides of the ball.
However, overall the roster is still mediocre at best and the depth is still a concern. Its better than it was, but there are still several unknowns and holes.
I saw a better team this preseason than probably the last 3 teams were in the preseason. Will that translate to the regular season? Maybe...maybe not.
I think some people need to temper their enthusiasm. I think they will be better. I think they will win more games than than last season. I think they will be more competitive and maybe even win a couple games they shouldn't (and lose a couple they shouldn't, like normal)
Any predictions of winning 11-12 games are silly to me. Maybe even 9 or 10. I see a record of 7-10 +/- a game or two either way.
But hey what the hell do I know. Thats why they play the games.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 28, 2022 18:29:12 GMT -5
either way they will get beat on the blitz if they cant cover I think that will be the biggest weakness on the entire team followed by the O line. I am counting on being pleasantly surprised by the OL. what I really worried about is that any hope of good players stepping up will crumble because of injuries.
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2022 18:41:53 GMT -5
The only purpose of camp for the starters is to be in football shape for week 1. That is it. Not when you have a new coach and coordinators they better be learning and getting the timing down. This is why I disagree with that. Injuries............ Look at what happened to Thibs . He got cheap shot form a bubble boy. Now he can't practice. IMO way more important than a preseason game that has a bunch of "I have something to prove" Timming is done with repetition. Not the 20 snaps in a preseason game.
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Post by vinnie on Aug 28, 2022 18:48:40 GMT -5
I think that will be the biggest weakness on the entire team followed by the O line. I am counting on being pleasantly surprised by the OL. what I really worried about is that any hope of good players stepping up will crumble because of injuries. Let’s hope you’re right! I would love for them to be just average, that would be a huge upgrade. I know Neal will most likely struggle as a rookie and make some bad mistakes but he’s still gotta be better than Solder overall. The interior frightens me.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 28, 2022 18:58:40 GMT -5
I am counting on being pleasantly surprised by the OL. what I really worried about is that any hope of good players stepping up will crumble because of injuries. Let’s hope you’re right! I would love for them to be just average, that would be a huge upgrade. I know Neal will most likely struggle as a rookie and make some bad mistakes but he’s still gotta be better than Solder overall. The interior frightens me. thats what I mean....average would be head and shoulders above what they have shown in the last few years. RG should be ok. Center and LG are unsettled for sure.
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Post by mendy on Aug 28, 2022 19:08:03 GMT -5
Not even close. We had very good QB play from our third string QB to a bunch of second and third string players and lost on a penalty and bad play by a DB who will be cut by Tuesday. Talking about the inability to get a stop with 2minutes or less at the end of halves and games. Fully understood but again I think we need to look at what level players were playing.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 28, 2022 19:22:23 GMT -5
Preseason offensive stats and leaders:
Giants QB's threw 101 times for 303 ypg and 69.3 comp %. 3 TD's 1 INT 2 sacks total. Giants RB's ran for 53 times for 244 yds. 4.6 per carry. 122 ypg.
Antonio Williams 14-87 yds. 6.2 ypc. Jashaun Corbin 15-50 yds. 3.3 ypc. Gary Brightwell 7-40 yds. 5.7 ypc.
Alex Bachman 13-139 yds. 2 td's.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 28, 2022 20:03:10 GMT -5
Talking about the inability to get a stop with 2minutes or less at the end of halves and games. Fully understood but again I think we need to look at what level players were playing. Understood just had resemblance of what turned 2021 upside down several of there losses can directly connected to the failure at the ned of games and halves. this game was just a reminder, I do feel for some of these guys like Dorsey kid had hope hard to say wether he will get another chance anywhere.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 28, 2022 20:14:02 GMT -5
Not when you have a new coach and coordinators they better be learning and getting the timing down. This is why I disagree with that. Injuries............ Look at what happened to Thibs . He got cheap shot form a bubble boy. Now he can't practice. IMO way more important than a preseason game that has a bunch of "I have something to prove" Timming is done with repetition. Not the 20 snaps in a preseason game. I always say they don't need the games they can use practice with other teams more then the preseason.
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Post by Nite on Aug 28, 2022 21:23:26 GMT -5
We lost, what??? My god....
Fudge..I wish the ghost of George Steinbrenner owned this team. He might have fired Daboll because of the loss. It would be hi-larious. half the board would be have a cow, canary, conniption fit and the other half (well, me) would-be having fun reading the reactions. One thing fer sure he WOULD NOT tolerate losing and do all that he could to turn around the franchise. We would love him as the owner
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Post by Nite on Aug 28, 2022 21:42:22 GMT -5
BTW (non-sequitur) Los eGALs got waxed big time the the Dolphins yesterday, gave me supreme joy. My Igs friend, not so much
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Post by miggs on Aug 28, 2022 22:14:38 GMT -5
The Jets exposed that the Giants cornerbacks can't stop the deep ball.
Not even Jackson can do that. Having such players is crucial in Wink's pressure defense which relies on it's cornerbacks being able to cover and cover deep passes in man on man coverages. ]Schoen needs to make some bold moves and obtain two taller experienced cornerbacks who can. That's not likely to happen. The Giants also lacks any linebacker capable of dropping back and defending the middle of the field. Beaver was good at that. He's gone.
Will be interesting to see if Schoen can address the Giants multiple glaring defenses weaknesses in the Giants final 53-man roster.
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Post by mendy on Aug 29, 2022 3:12:41 GMT -5
We lost, what??? My god.... Fudge..I wish the ghost of George Steinbrenner owned this team. He might have fired Daboll because of the loss. It would be hi-larious. half the board would be have a cow, canary, conniption fit and the other half (well, me) would-be having fun reading the reactions. One thing fer sure he WOULD NOT tolerate losing and do all that he could to turn around the franchise. We would love him as the owner No , he was a crap Owner. He set the example on what not to do.
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Post by miggs on Aug 29, 2022 8:07:06 GMT -5
Short passes negates pass rushes. 3 opponents have had but 2 sacks. Offensive line is fine.
We should just be discussing the Giant players inability to defend passes over the middle and deep passes.
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