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Post by SG88 on Oct 12, 2018 11:02:35 GMT -5
The biggest turn around came when they got rid of a dog of a HC and hired a young and innovative HC. Unfortunately our owner and GM are stuck in the old school and conservative mentality. Yeah they struck gold with McVay. I'm really hoping the Giants start Lauletta next week. He has 11 days to prepare and then one home game and then the bye week. By that point Lauletta should be fully comfortable and in the full swing of things. We need to see what we have with him before next year's draft. Now is the perfect timing in my opinion. The team just needs a jolt of some sort. Lauletta gets to attain some real OJT as well. It might not work, but it is definitely worth a shot in this already lost season.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 12, 2018 11:02:46 GMT -5
The Rams started with Gurley and then drafted Goff, all while filling out solid defensive pieces along the way. Now they're arguably the best team in football. The Giants now have the opportunity to do the same exact thing. The biggest turn around came when they got rid of a dog of a HC and hired a young and innovative HC. Unfortunately our owner and GM are stuck in the old school and conservative mentality. That AND getting a franchise QB in Goff. I was wrong about him, he is legit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 11:05:25 GMT -5
The biggest turn around came when they got rid of a dog of a HC and hired a young and innovative HC. Unfortunately our owner and GM are stuck in the old school and conservative mentality. That AND getting a franchise QB in Goff. I was wrong about him, he is legit. Granted it was his rookie season but Fischer had Goff and Gurley, et al... yet the team struggled.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 12, 2018 11:09:54 GMT -5
That AND getting a franchise QB in Goff. I was wrong about him, he is legit. Granted it was his rookie season but Fischer had Goff and Gurley, et al... yet the team struggled. You said it. 1st year QB. Plus Fisher really is not good. And their OL was in shambles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 11:12:44 GMT -5
Granted it was his rookie season but Fischer had Goff and Gurley, et al... yet the team struggled. You said it. 1st year QB. Plus Fisher really is not good. And their OL was in shambles. You said it. Fischer is not good. McVay is a great young innovative HC.
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Post by TEM on Oct 12, 2018 11:14:41 GMT -5
IMO:
There is no magic in building a winner with the picks the rams have had in the past 4 years. 13 picks in the top 3 rounds in 4 years. It is coming to the pay the piper time for the rams . ( they have won nothing with what they have done and their window is closing ) The money has already started with Cooks and Darnold , Next year it is Gurley than Goff.
What is magic; is to build a team that can win constantly and place trophies in the case. That is elusive to all but a handful of franchises. The Giants know how to do that and have done that. We will win again. We do not need to the "grow like a weed , die like a weed" model to do so.
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Post by EliQB10 on Oct 12, 2018 11:15:48 GMT -5
The Rams started with Gurley and then drafted Goff, all while filling out solid defensive pieces along the way. Now they're arguably the best team in football. The Giants now have the opportunity to do the same exact thing. The biggest turn around came when they got rid of a dog of a HC and hired a young and innovative HC. Unfortunately our owner and GM are stuck in the old school and conservative mentality. I would have liked to have seen one of the "young and innovative " Head Coaches bere but I think Shurmur should at least be given a chance to either do something with Lauletta or another QB of his liking if we can get that guy...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 11:18:20 GMT -5
The biggest turn around came when they got rid of a dog of a HC and hired a young and innovative HC. Unfortunately our owner and GM are stuck in the old school and conservative mentality. I would have liked to have seen one of the "young and innovative " Head Coaches bere but I think Shurmur should at least be given a chance to either do something with Lauletta or another QB of his liking if we can get that guy... He definitely needs to be given a chance. I think he sucks but I agree, you have to give him 2-3 years minimum. What I don't get is he is considered a "QB guru"... yet there is no talk about developing Lauletta? If the Giants stick with Eli for the rest of the season while Lauletta remains inactive for every game, then I will just laugh at anyone trying to sell me that Murmur™ is some sort of QB guru.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 12, 2018 11:23:15 GMT -5
You said it. 1st year QB. Plus Fisher really is not good. And their OL was in shambles. You said it. Fischer is not good. McVay is a great young innovative HC. If we had McVay, we would still have Eli and be losing. Goff is a great QB to go with a great HC. Until we detach from Eli, we wont know what Shurmur is. We never found out McAdoo either. Any coach that comes in was instantly handicapped.
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Post by EliQB10 on Oct 12, 2018 11:24:13 GMT -5
I would have liked to have seen one of the "young and innovative " Head Coaches bere but I think Shurmur should at least be given a chance to either do something with Lauletta or another QB of his liking if we can get that guy... He definitely needs to be given a chance. I think he sucks but I agree, you have to give him 2-3 years minimum. What I don't get is he is considered a "QB guru"... yet there is no talk about developing Lauletta? If the Giants stick with Eli for the rest of the season while Lauletta remains inactive for every game, then I will just laugh at anyone trying to sell me that Murmur™ is some sort of QB guru. I agree...hopefully the new regime will not do the same with Lauletta like they did with Webb...the sooner they play Lauletta the sooner Eli may retire or be released... I just can't take Eli playing any longer and getting pounded anymore...it's really getting too hard to watch
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 11:27:20 GMT -5
You said it. Fischer is not good. McVay is a great young innovative HC. If we had McVay, we would still have Eli and be losing. Goff is a great QB to go with a great HC. Until we detach from Eli, we wont know what Shurmur is. We never found out McAdoo either. Any coach that comes in was instantly handicapped. I agree. But if we had McVay there's a good chance we're moving on from Eli or would have in this past draft.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 11:28:52 GMT -5
He definitely needs to be given a chance. I think he sucks but I agree, you have to give him 2-3 years minimum. What I don't get is he is considered a "QB guru"... yet there is no talk about developing Lauletta? If the Giants stick with Eli for the rest of the season while Lauletta remains inactive for every game, then I will just laugh at anyone trying to sell me that Murmur™ is some sort of QB guru. I agree...hopefully the new regime will not do the same with Lauletta like they did with Webb...the sooner they play Lauletta the sooner Eli may retire or be released... I just can't take Eli playing any longer and getting pounded anymore...it's really getting too hard to watch Carson Wentz takes a beating yet still makes plays. If Eli was taking a beating like he was in 2011 yet still carrying this team I wouldn't care. But Eli sucks. He's done. He can't make plays. He and this OL are unbearable to watch.
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Post by Waybackfan on Oct 12, 2018 11:36:00 GMT -5
I agree...hopefully the new regime will not do the same with Lauletta like they did with Webb...the sooner they play Lauletta the sooner Eli may retire or be released... I just can't take Eli playing any longer and getting pounded anymore...it's really getting too hard to watch Carson Wentz takes a beating yet still makes plays.If Eli was taking a beating like he was in 2011 yet still carrying this team I wouldn't care. But Eli sucks. He's done. He can't make plays. He and this OL are unbearable to watch. Except when Wentz was out getting his ACL reconstructed.
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Post by EliQB10 on Oct 12, 2018 11:36:31 GMT -5
I agree...hopefully the new regime will not do the same with Lauletta like they did with Webb...the sooner they play Lauletta the sooner Eli may retire or be released... I just can't take Eli playing any longer and getting pounded anymore...it's really getting too hard to watch Carson Wentz takes a beating yet still makes plays. If Eli was taking a beating like he was in 2011 yet still carrying this team I wouldn't care. But Eli sucks. He's done. He can't make plays. He and this OL are unbearable to watch. I agree but part of Eli being done is I feel he has "David Carr" syndrome and can no longer take all the hits he has endured over the years...I wish Eli was benched against ATL in favor of Lauletta but I don't think it will happen just yet, IMO anyway
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 11:43:11 GMT -5
Carson Wentz takes a beating yet still makes plays.If Eli was taking a beating like he was in 2011 yet still carrying this team I wouldn't care. But Eli sucks. He's done. He can't make plays. He and this OL are unbearable to watch. Except when Wentz was out getting his ACL reconstructed. What does that injury have to do with the OL?
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Post by Waybackfan on Oct 12, 2018 12:14:17 GMT -5
Except when Wentz was out getting his ACL reconstructed. What does that injury have to do with the OL? You said "Wentz takes a beating but still makes plays."
That's true but he also took such a beating he was out getting his ACL fixed and missed all those games. He got hurt running around and he'll get hurt again if he keeps doing it.
Unrelated to the OL other than Eli somehow manages to take beatings also but stays healthy.
Eli has always been a drop-back style QB. He can roll out effectively.
Tom Brady is even less mobile than Eli. He's a statue. How does NE make it work?
Mobile QBs that run around get hurt bad eventually. Tony Romo is an example. Very mobile and could elude the pass rush very well. Played a long time but got really beat up.
You build your offense around your QB, not the other way around. Smart coaches make best use of the talent they have.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 13:02:20 GMT -5
What does that injury have to do with the OL? You said "Wentz takes a beating but still makes plays." That's true but he also took such a beating he was out getting his ACL fixed and missed all those games. He got hurt running around and he'll get hurt again if he keeps doing it.
Unrelated to the OL other than Eli somehow manages to take beatings also but stays healthy. Eli has always been a drop-back style QB. He can roll out effectively. Tom Brady is even less mobile than Eli. He's a statue. How does NE make it work?
Mobile QBs that run around get hurt bad eventually. Tony Romo is an example. Very mobile and could elude the pass rush very well. Played a long time but got really beat up.
You build your offense around your QB, not the other way around. Smart coaches make best use of the talent they have.
We’re talking about the OL causing Eli to take a beating Wentz’s ACL injury came on a play where his OL was perfect and he ran on his own volition.
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Post by Waybackfan on Oct 12, 2018 13:07:30 GMT -5
You said "Wentz takes a beating but still makes plays." That's true but he also took such a beating he was out getting his ACL fixed and missed all those games. He got hurt running around and he'll get hurt again if he keeps doing it.
Unrelated to the OL other than Eli somehow manages to take beatings also but stays healthy. Eli has always been a drop-back style QB. He can roll out effectively. Tom Brady is even less mobile than Eli. He's a statue. How does NE make it work?
Mobile QBs that run around get hurt bad eventually. Tony Romo is an example. Very mobile and could elude the pass rush very well. Played a long time but got really beat up.
You build your offense around your QB, not the other way around. Smart coaches make best use of the talent they have.
We’re talking about the OL causing Eli to take a beating Wentz’s ACL injury came on a play where his OL was perfect and he ran on his own volition.
What was the question?
Well, anyway, Wentz got hurt running around. Eli doesn't run around and whenever he does he falls down. Smart.
The O-line sucks in any event.
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Post by Easy E on Oct 12, 2018 13:37:00 GMT -5
The Rams started with Gurley and then drafted Goff, all while filling out solid defensive pieces along the way. Now they're arguably the best team in football. The Giants now have the opportunity to do the same exact thing.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 12, 2018 13:42:12 GMT -5
I mean...we literally have to do it that way based on the order of how securing talent at those two particular positions is going to play out.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 12, 2018 13:50:24 GMT -5
I mean...we literally have to do it that way based on the order of how securing talent at those two particular positions is going to play out. Or it was a conscious decision to do it that way. One thing I know for sure, no one here knows.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 12, 2018 13:57:02 GMT -5
You said it. Fischer is not good. McVay is a great young innovative HC. If we had McVay, we would still have Eli and be losing. Goff is a great QB to go with a great HC. Until we detach from Eli, we wont know what Shurmur is. We never found out McAdoo either. Any coach that comes in was instantly handicapped. I doubt that Eli would still be here if we hired that guy. He knows offense and knows that Eli is toast.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 13:58:31 GMT -5
Isn't it precious how the Jags and Rams went from 3-13 to 13-3 the following year, and then we have the Giants .. from 3-13 to even worse. Great job Mara, DG, Shurmur. We are in the hands of some real football geniuses boy!
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