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Post by themaz5 on Oct 12, 2018 7:49:35 GMT -5
Too soon? Is he who we would most likely target? Herbert? Any college gurus available for comment on this?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 12, 2018 8:59:56 GMT -5
Those QBs are not as good as the 2018 class. Sucking for any of them is not a good idea. We would just wind up taking a DB or WR.
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Post by themaz5 on Oct 12, 2018 9:03:15 GMT -5
Im not huge into college football, a simple google search told me that Lock and Herbert seem to be the front runners in the 2019 QB draft class. Would we go O-Line then?
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Post by solomonphoenix on Oct 12, 2018 9:05:05 GMT -5
I don't really watch college football but the Herbert kid is a name I hear thrown around as being good. I have no idea but how could they NOT take a QB if they pick #1?
The only other thing that would make any sense is a generational defensive talent.
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Post by bizcliz on Oct 12, 2018 9:05:53 GMT -5
Assuming we have a top 3 pick, I think you have to go Herbert or the OT from Alabama.
Realistically, they could draft a QB, OT or EDGE with that pick and it wouldn't be "wrong"
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 12, 2018 9:07:15 GMT -5
Im not huge into college football, a simple google search told me that Lock and Herbert seem to be the front runners in the 2019 QB draft class. Would we go O-Line then? IMO both those 2 are not as good as the big 3 from last year in Mayfield Rosen and Darnold. Since we are now stuck with no QB we should trade back at all costs and build the trenches and see what Lauletta has. If he has nothing, go QB in 2020 when it looks like it could be a good class.
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Post by soflo on Oct 12, 2018 9:08:32 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but if the QBs in this class aren't worth the number 2 pick, I'd prefer to see Gettleman repeat history and not draft one by going with the greater talent, like the OT Greg Little, or just trade the pick for a haul of draft assets.
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Post by lawrencetaylor56hof on Oct 12, 2018 9:08:48 GMT -5
I think they sign someone from the 2013-2014 draft class this offseason and pass on QB again.
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Post by bizcliz on Oct 12, 2018 9:10:30 GMT -5
I think they sign someone from the 2013-2014 draft class this offseason and pass on QB again. It doesn't make sense to sign a QB and spend premium dollars on that position when you are rebuilding a franchise.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 12, 2018 9:10:52 GMT -5
Im not huge into college football, a simple google search told me that Lock and Herbert seem to be the front runners in the 2019 QB draft class. Would we go O-Line then? IMO both those 2 are not as good as the big 3 from last year in Mayfield Rosen and Darnold. Since we are now stuck with no QB we should trade back at all costs and build the trenches and see what Lauletta has. If he has nothing, go QB in 2020 when it looks like it could be a good class. Trade for Derek Carr.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 9:10:58 GMT -5
Too soon? Is he who we would most likely target? Herbert? Any college gurus available for comment on this? Herbert
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 12, 2018 9:12:40 GMT -5
IMO both those 2 are not as good as the big 3 from last year in Mayfield Rosen and Darnold. Since we are now stuck with no QB we should trade back at all costs and build the trenches and see what Lauletta has. If he has nothing, go QB in 2020 when it looks like it could be a good class. Trade for Derek Carr. Pass...
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Post by bizcliz on Oct 12, 2018 9:14:26 GMT -5
IMO both those 2 are not as good as the big 3 from last year in Mayfield Rosen and Darnold. Since we are now stuck with no QB we should trade back at all costs and build the trenches and see what Lauletta has. If he has nothing, go QB in 2020 when it looks like it could be a good class. Trade for Derek Carr. They need all the draft capital they can get, MH You're probably giving up a 1st round pick and a 2nd/3rd minimum for Carr, who isn't good enough for that. A rebuilding team cannot afford to lose cap space or draft picks on average players
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Post by lawrencetaylor56hof on Oct 12, 2018 9:15:38 GMT -5
I think they sign someone from the 2013-2014 draft class this offseason and pass on QB again. It doesn't make sense to sign a QB and spend premium dollars on that position when you are rebuilding a franchise. I don’t think it’ll cost premium dollars. There aren’t a lot of QB jobs that will be open and another draft class coming. I think they bring in Mariota, Tannehill, or Bridgewater and keep developing Lauletta. Id have taken a QB at 2. I’m just not believing they’ll take a kid QB now. They take time to develop and if we wanted to could have already started that process. Shurmur has success with a scrub like Case Keenum and u fortunately I think that will lead to us working with a reclamation project.
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Post by bizcliz on Oct 12, 2018 9:17:54 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense to sign a QB and spend premium dollars on that position when you are rebuilding a franchise. I don’t think it’ll cost premium dollars. There aren’t a lot of QB jobs that will be open and another draft class coming. I think they bring in Mariota, Tannehill, or Bridgewater and keep developing Lauletta. Id have taken a QB at 2. I’m just not believing they’ll take a kid QB now. They take time to develop and if we wanted to could have already started that process. Shurmur has success with a scrub like Case Keenum and u fortunately I think that will lead to us working with a reclamation project. We all bitch about Manning's $22 mil cap hit - but that's only 10th in the league. QBs are getting premium dollars and it's not worth sinking that much money into a position that is still going to be majorly effected by a swiss cheese OL Good teams win with QBs on rookie deals because they can spend money everywhere else.
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Post by lawrencetaylor56hof on Oct 12, 2018 9:22:21 GMT -5
I don’t think it’ll cost premium dollars. There aren’t a lot of QB jobs that will be open and another draft class coming. I think they bring in Mariota, Tannehill, or Bridgewater and keep developing Lauletta. Id have taken a QB at 2. I’m just not believing they’ll take a kid QB now. They take time to develop and if we wanted to could have already started that process. Shurmur has success with a scrub like Case Keenum and u fortunately I think that will lead to us working with a reclamation project. We all bitch about Manning's $22 mil cap hit - but that's only 10th in the league. QBs are getting premium dollars and it's not worth sinking that much money into a position that is still going to be majorly effected by a swiss cheese OL Good teams win with QBs on rookie deals because they can spend money everywhere else. Eli makes $21 million I think the guys I mentioned will sign in the $10-12 range. Bridgewater couldn’t even get a job this offseason and is a backup. I’d take a QB. I’d have taken a QB. I don’t think this front office will.
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Post by bizcliz on Oct 12, 2018 9:30:27 GMT -5
We all bitch about Manning's $22 mil cap hit - but that's only 10th in the league. QBs are getting premium dollars and it's not worth sinking that much money into a position that is still going to be majorly effected by a swiss cheese OL Good teams win with QBs on rookie deals because they can spend money everywhere else. Eli makes $21 million I think the guys I mentioned will sign in the $10-12 range. Bridgewater couldn’t even get a job this offseason and is a backup. I’d take a QB. I’d have taken a QB. I don’t think this front office will. Here are the QBs making $10-12mil in 2018: Blake Bortles: $10 Josh McCown: $10 Sam Bradford: $10.9 Nick Foles: $13.6 You're telling me that Mariota, Tannehill or Bridgewater are going to command the same level of salary as 30+ year old back up journeyman QBs?
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Post by soflo on Oct 12, 2018 9:32:09 GMT -5
Seriously, what happened to Derek Carr? And what happened to the Raiders? Two years ago they were primed to be a serious contender for years.
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Post by soflo on Oct 12, 2018 9:33:48 GMT -5
Eli makes $21 million I think the guys I mentioned will sign in the $10-12 range. Bridgewater couldn’t even get a job this offseason and is a backup. I’d take a QB. I’d have taken a QB. I don’t think this front office will. Here are the QBs making $10-12mil in 2018: Blake Bortles: $10 Josh McCown: $10 Sam Bradford: $10.9 Nick Foles: $13.6 You're telling me that Mariota, Tannehill or Bridgewater are going to command the same level of salary as 30+ year old back up journeyman QBs? They should stay as far away from Tannehill as possible. I get to watch him down here in south florida and he's reviled.
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Post by lawrencetaylor56hof on Oct 12, 2018 9:54:57 GMT -5
Eli makes $21 million I think the guys I mentioned will sign in the $10-12 range. Bridgewater couldn’t even get a job this offseason and is a backup. I’d take a QB. I’d have taken a QB. I don’t think this front office will. Here are the QBs making $10-12mil in 2018: Blake Bortles: $10 Josh McCown: $10 Sam Bradford: $10.9 Nick Foles: $13.6 You're telling me that Mariota, Tannehill or Bridgewater are going to command the same level of salary as 30+ year old back up journeyman QBs? Bridgewater was just a FA. He took $10 million to be a 3rd string. Foles just won a SB and will be a FA so the team willing to pay a FA likely pays him. Who is paying these other guys? Supply exceeds demand. If the Titans and Dolphins move on where are they going? 5 teams took QBs in Round 1 last year. 3 more will go round 1 this year. Those guys aren’t breaking the bank.....
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Post by wtfjjk on Oct 12, 2018 9:57:15 GMT -5
Sign Bridgewater, BPA except fugazi QB or trade down in 2019 draft. Trade the house for 2020 #1 and get QB of the future.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 12, 2018 10:09:16 GMT -5
Much more of a Herbert guy myself. And a thing to remember is everyone was meh on the Goff, Wentz class, those two in particular. You never know.
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Post by nyg9289 on Oct 12, 2018 10:16:09 GMT -5
Too soon? Is he who we would most likely target? Herbert? Any college gurus available for comment on this? I'd take Herbert depending on how the rest of his season plays out.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Oct 12, 2018 10:40:26 GMT -5
Justin Herbert is currently the consensus top QB based on the sources I follow. I don't see any QB coming out as top 5 talent yet, but we will see as the season progresses.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Oct 12, 2018 10:43:37 GMT -5
Sign Bridgewater, BPA except fugazi QB or trade down in 2019 draft. Trade the house for 2020 #1 and get QB of the future. Teddy B is going to want a big time pay day and his reconstructed knee has not been fully tested IMO. Why pay another QB $20million/yr when we can pay a rookie QB $8mill/yr and rebuild the offense?
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Post by wtfjjk on Oct 12, 2018 10:52:26 GMT -5
Sign Bridgewater, BPA except fugazi QB or trade down in 2019 draft. Trade the house for 2020 #1 and get QB of the future. Teddy B is going to want a big time pay day and his reconstructed knee has not been fully tested IMO. Why pay another QB $20million/yr when we can pay a rookie QB $8mill/yr and rebuild the offense? If that's what he wants then f him but I see him as bargain basement deal since he hasn't played in a few years. I am not too familiar with the 19 class of QBs but if everyone is saying they're worse than the 18 class, I'd rather wait till 2020.
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 12, 2018 11:25:50 GMT -5
I keep saying it but I WANT to love Lock and Herbert, but both have their flaws. They also both have great arms, above average agility and mobility, decent accuracy and great arm strength.
Personally id go BPA since we have SO MANY holes on this team.
Trade Apple, trade Jenkins, trade anyone not named Barkley, Hernandez, or Beckham, stock up picks for 2019 and 2020. If we are gonna suck, might as well plan for the future
Have Eli 'retire' and try to get Mariotta, Taylor, Bridgewater, or Fitzpatrick as a stop gap qb til we find our qb for the future
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Post by jmike on Oct 12, 2018 11:35:33 GMT -5
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Post by lt56 on Oct 12, 2018 12:26:35 GMT -5
Way too early obviously, QB's always emerge down the stretch of the college season so we shall see how things play out. Big test for Herbert this Saturday vs Washington. Already was impressed with his game vs Stanford a few weeks ago.
As for Drew Lock, Struggled the last 2 Games vs SEC Competition (Georgia and South Carolina) so his stock is probably down at the moment but plenty of time to raise it back up between now and the Draft. Lock accuracy is not that good I'm noticing
A big time Sleeper is Will Grier from West Virginia, one of those guys that will impress Scouts and work his way up leading up to the Draft
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Post by allnygin on Oct 12, 2018 13:13:22 GMT -5
I mean can Bridgwater still play decently? He and Shurmur are well acquainted. What would the saints want for a guy like that? Might be a good idea to have a vet who can still perform, while whatever new guy that will more than likely be drafted can settle in before he takes the lead?
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