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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 11, 2023 6:56:20 GMT -5
Well I bailed at halftime, I couldn't watch anymore. That was the worst display of football by this team that I can remember in a long time, even under McAdoo, Shurmur and Judge.
They lost a lot of games under those clowns but they were at least competitive most of the time. That was pathetic last night. It was like watching a pro team play against a mediocre college team. Unacceptable.
It is unfathomable that this OL is still as bad as it is...after all this time. And these were the "starters" I can't imagine what it would be like with backups.
Lets hope this was an aberration. Lack of preseason playing time. Players new to the system on both sides of the ball. A bad night...
I'm grasping at straws here.
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Post by Analyst on Sept 11, 2023 6:58:58 GMT -5
What do you think? What is the one thing that hasn’t changed all these years? You really need this explanation? We talk about it every year. How did Mara make us look the way we looked last night? I get it, Joe Judge was most likely his influence. DG was too. Fine blame him. But are we now saying Dabol and Schoen are piss poor too and Mara hand picked them as well? If you are talking culture, the culture here looked to have done a 180 last year. There was emotion and drive. There was overperformances. Last night was one of the worst games I have seen the Giants ever play. In 40 years. Reminded me of those Eli Eagles games where he gets his head twisted backwards and throws 5 INTs. Where the defense gets gashed by Boston Scott or who ever. Thats what just happened again. Maybe worse. I cant blame Mara on this one. It looked like we were headed in the right direction. We weren't prepared. We weren't ready. And our talent is absent apparently. And our draft picks are terrible apparently.
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Post by miggs on Sept 11, 2023 7:00:23 GMT -5
There needs to be some Giants players moved from the practice squad to the 53-man roster. Phillips and Beavers would be a good start. No reason for Peart to be on the 53-man roster.
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Post by miggs on Sept 11, 2023 7:10:39 GMT -5
This game showed it was far more important with so many new starters that it was far more important to play the Giants starters in pre-season games so Daboll could see who was good and who was not, and for the the starters to gain cohesion than it was to fear injury to players. As the result of not doing so is now is obvious. Schoen and Daboll simply out-smarted themselves.
Really like both Hawkins and Banks. Both can stay with receivers, just noed to reduce contacts with opponents.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 11, 2023 7:16:50 GMT -5
This game showed it was far more important with so many new starters that it was far more important to play the Giants starters in pre-season games so Daboll could see who was good and who was not, and for the the starters to gain cohesion than it was to fear injury to players. As the result of not doing so is now is obvious. Schoen and Daboll simply out-smarted themselves. thats what you took away from this game? Preseason? OK....well take everything you think is good about this team and throw in the garbage. They are starting from square one this week. That is one of the worst games ever played in the history of the NFL and you want to blame it on preseason..... I thought they would win. You thought it would be a cake walk. Both views were completely wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2023 8:10:20 GMT -5
There needs to be some Giants players moved from the practice squad to the 53-man roster. Phillips and Beavers would be a good start. No reason for Peart to be on the 53-man roster. We’ve been through this. Nobody on that list is going to help us win. They are substitutes. Bodies.
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Post by miggs on Sept 11, 2023 8:24:03 GMT -5
This game showed it was far more important with so many new starters that it was far more important to play the Giants starters in pre-season games so Daboll could see who was good and who was not, and for the the starters to gain cohesion than it was to fear injury to players. As the result of not doing so is now is obvious. Schoen and Daboll simply out-smarted themselves. thats what you took away from this game? Preseason? OK....well take everything you think is good about this team and throw in the garbage. They are starting from square one this week. That is one of the worst games ever played in the history of the NFL and you want to blame it on preseason..... I thought they would win. You thought it would be a cake walk. Both views were completely wrong. The roster is better than last season and the team should be better. I repeatedly said the right side of the line had to be improved to play well against caliber play-offs teams. I put my trust in the coaching staff that the right side of the line while weak would do ok as the coaches would scheme properly. I was wrong. I can see how not playing the starters more in pre-season blinded us to how bad Neal and Glowinski are. The entire offense will always collapse as they did last night when the right side of the offensive line is that bad. Last season, the starters played far more than this pre-season and the team gained cohesion by the time the regular season started. This season the HC took a different approach even though he had far more new starters on both sides of the ball. One reason the Giants played so poorly last night is that they mostly practiced against themselves. Daboll didn't properly prepare the team for last night' s game, and that became obvious when we saw it with our own eyes. But unlike others, I'm not ready to throw in the towel, but Schoen can't continue to sit on his hands and hide the fact that both Neal and Glowinski are terrible. If Neal and Glowinski had played more during the pre-season which they should have, their ineptness would have exposed and hopefully changes would have been made to avoid last night's disaster by the offensive line. Such would have forced Schoen to make a trade to upgrade the offensive line which I repeatedly called for. Your position has been that Neal just needed time to develop. Glad that even you see how hopeless that is.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2023 8:25:02 GMT -5
worst part of this the injury happened on the blocked kick he played almost a full game with a Hammy what were the coaches and medical people thinking risking the best player hands down on the team. They have a lot of work to do from the coaches on down . ty, did not know when it happened. He still played pretty well considering he was on 1 leg.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2023 8:30:03 GMT -5
Well I bailed at halftime, I couldn't watch anymore. That was the worst display of football by this team that I can remember in a long time, even under McAdoo, Shurmur and Judge. They lost a lot of games under those clowns but they were at least competitive most of the time. That was pathetic last night. It was like watching a pro team play against a mediocre college team. Unacceptable. It is unfathomable that this OL is still as bad as it is...after all this time. And these were the "starters" I can't imagine what it would be like with backups. Lets hope this was an aberration. Lack of preseason playing time. Players new to the system on both sides of the ball. A bad night... I'm grasping at straws here. The end of MacAdoo was like this on a weekly bases on November 4 my birthday the Rams embarrassed them pretty close to this with a good beat down leaving the team fighting each other ron the field more than the opponent. This was a dismantling of the highest order everything they have done is gonna be questioned right down to the preparation for the season and game 1 which they had months to do.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2023 8:35:17 GMT -5
Part of this is a lot of new pieces learning each other learning a system Each rookie had some issues Banks looked pretty decent till he left with cramps. to the tune of 40-0? But I'll give you that as part sure. We'll see how they look vs AZ and rather we should judge that as a team we should beat or a team we might be on par with... Hell no. Not an excuse to be dismantled by a division opponent that you should know inside and out Dallas has sent a message to Daboll the Giants offense and Defense and special teams that the Giants don't belong in any conversation that has the Cowboys or Eagles in it and maybe the Cardinals will join that list next week if the coaches and players don't get their heads out of their asses.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2023 8:37:53 GMT -5
What do you think? What is the one thing that hasn’t changed all these years? You really need this explanation? We talk about it every year. Mara has left these guys alone that has been front and center these are their draft picks their team their coaches. I think a little less dancing and frolicking during training camp might help. Think the piss off version of Daboll needs to reintroduce himself to this team and keep it that way.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 11, 2023 8:42:45 GMT -5
Well I bailed at halftime, I couldn't watch anymore. That was the worst display of football by this team that I can remember in a long time, even under McAdoo, Shurmur and Judge. They lost a lot of games under those clowns but they were at least competitive most of the time. That was pathetic last night. It was like watching a pro team play against a mediocre college team. Unacceptable. It is unfathomable that this OL is still as bad as it is...after all this time. And these were the "starters" I can't imagine what it would be like with backups. Lets hope this was an aberration. Lack of preseason playing time. Players new to the system on both sides of the ball. A bad night... I'm grasping at straws here. The end of MacAdoo was like this on a weekly bases on November 4 my birthday the Rams embarrassed them pretty close to this with a good beat down leaving the team fighting each other ron the field more than the opponent. This was a dismantling of the highest order everything they have done is gonna be questioned right down to the preparation for the season and game 1 which they had months to do. Yes there were definitely some bad games with those coaches for sure, but 40-0? That was one of the worst beat downs I've ever seen. They could have beaten them 60-0 if they wanted to.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2023 9:02:23 GMT -5
The end of MacAdoo was like this on a weekly bases on November 4 my birthday the Rams embarrassed them pretty close to this with a good beat down leaving the team fighting each other ron the field more than the opponent. This was a dismantling of the highest order everything they have done is gonna be questioned right down to the preparation for the season and game 1 which they had months to do. Yes there were definitely some bad games with those coaches for sure, but 40-0? That was one of the worst beat downs I've ever seen. They could have beaten them 60-0 if they wanted to. Oh I agree Dallas accomplished this by just over whelming them on defense. they hand like 265 yards of total offense but that was because they didn't have they played in preseason mode not showing much to the Jets for next week.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 11, 2023 9:10:34 GMT -5
Worst regular season loss I’ve ever witnessed, and I’ve seen a lot. Under Shurmer and Judge, we knew those were bad teams. I shut the game off with 3 minutes remaining in the first half. I’ve never shut a game off in my life. THIS WAS THE SEASON OPENER AND I SHUT IT OFF!
Losing to Dallas is one thing, not being prepared to play football… inexcusable. I thought we were past all of that. Even the Cardinals were prepared yesterday and they’re trying to lose games.
Dallas just took 12 months of hope and optimism and threw it under 6 feet of dirt. I don’t know where we go from here. I don’t know how you just forget it and move on from a loss like that.
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Post by miggs on Sept 11, 2023 9:14:09 GMT -5
Today's a particularly sad day as our hearts go out to the families of the 9-11 victims of the attack in NYC, at the Pentagon, and those who heroically lost their lives on United Flight 93 in Pennsylvania
If anyone wants to share what they witnessed that day feel free to do so.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 11, 2023 9:20:51 GMT -5
Well I bailed at halftime, I couldn't watch anymore. That was the worst display of football by this team that I can remember in a long time, even under McAdoo, Shurmur and Judge. They lost a lot of games under those clowns but they were at least competitive most of the time. That was pathetic last night. It was like watching a pro team play against a mediocre college team. Unacceptable. It is unfathomable that this OL is still as bad as it is...after all this time. And these were the "starters" I can't imagine what it would be like with backups. Lets hope this was an aberration. Lack of preseason playing time. Players new to the system on both sides of the ball. A bad night... I'm grasping at straws here. Agree with everything. I bailed too. Not going to waste my time watching a non competitive team. This team is never prepared early in the season, even though multiple regimes. Sad.
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Post by miggs on Sept 11, 2023 9:25:10 GMT -5
The loss is hardly the end of the world for the Giants. May be, but we don't know. Let things play out. I think the Giants can still do quite well, but to do so, the offensive line has to be fixed.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 11, 2023 9:33:25 GMT -5
thats what you took away from this game? Preseason? OK....well take everything you think is good about this team and throw in the garbage. They are starting from square one this week. That is one of the worst games ever played in the history of the NFL and you want to blame it on preseason..... I thought they would win. You thought it would be a cake walk. Both views were completely wrong. The roster is better than last season and the team should be better. I repeatedly said the right side of the line had to be improved to play well against caliber play-offs teams. I put my trust in the coaching staff that the right side of the line while weak would do ok as the coaches would scheme properly. I was wrong. I can see how not playing the starters more in pre-season blinded us to how bad Neal and Glowinski are. The entire offense will always collapse as they did last night when the right side of the offensive line is that bad. Last season, the starters played far more than this pre-season and the team gained cohesion by the time the regular season started. This season the HC took a different approach even though he had far more new starters on both sides of the ball. One reason the Giants played so poorly last night is that they mostly practiced against themselves. Daboll didn't properly prepare the team for last night' s game, and that became obvious when we saw it with our own eyes. But unlike others, I'm not ready to throw in the towel, but Schoen can't continue to sit on his hands and hide the fact that both Neal and Glowinski are terrible. If Neal and Glowinski had played more during the pre-season which they should have, their ineptness would have exposed and hopefully changes would have been made to avoid last night's disaster by the offensive line. Such would have forced Schoen to make a trade to upgrade the offensive line which I repeatedly called for. Your position has been that Neal just needed time to develop. Glad that even you see how hopeless that is. blah blah blah you repeatable say "everything to cover every single contingency". Bottom line is you thought they would win last night easily and they were humiliated on national TV. At least admit that miggs!! I freely and openly admit I was 100% wrong in my assessment of last night's out come. I have said it on several posts already in various threads. You should admit too or just STFU
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 11, 2023 9:45:14 GMT -5
Well I bailed at halftime, I couldn't watch anymore. That was the worst display of football by this team that I can remember in a long time, even under McAdoo, Shurmur and Judge. They lost a lot of games under those clowns but they were at least competitive most of the time. That was pathetic last night. It was like watching a pro team play against a mediocre college team. Unacceptable. It is unfathomable that this OL is still as bad as it is...after all this time. And these were the "starters" I can't imagine what it would be like with backups. Lets hope this was an aberration. Lack of preseason playing time. Players new to the system on both sides of the ball. A bad night... I'm grasping at straws here. couldn't have been said any better and to a man if they don't come out swining vs AZ and win this game they are done this early depending on how they lose if they lose yes I said it lol. And mostly because of the schedule and those D lines to come...........
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 11, 2023 10:45:36 GMT -5
Today's a particularly sad day as our hearts go out to the families of the 9-11 victims of the attack in NYC, at the Pentagon, and those who heroically lost their lives on United Flight 93 in Pennsylvania If anyone wants to share what they witnessed that day feel free to do so. yes sad. Did you witness anything?
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Post by miggs on Sept 11, 2023 11:21:34 GMT -5
The roster is better than last season and the team should be better. I repeatedly said the right side of the line had to be improved to play well against caliber play-offs teams. I put my trust in the coaching staff that the right side of the line while weak would do ok as the coaches would scheme properly. I was wrong. I can see how not playing the starters more in pre-season blinded us to how bad Neal and Glowinski are. The entire offense will always collapse as they did last night when the right side of the offensive line is that bad. Last season, the starters played far more than this pre-season and the team gained cohesion by the time the regular season started. This season the HC took a different approach even though he had far more new starters on both sides of the ball. One reason the Giants played so poorly last night is that they mostly practiced against themselves. Daboll didn't properly prepare the team for last night' s game, and that became obvious when we saw it with our own eyes. But unlike others, I'm not ready to throw in the towel, but Schoen can't continue to sit on his hands and hide the fact that both Neal and Glowinski are terrible. If Neal and Glowinski had played more during the pre-season which they should have, their ineptness would have exposed and hopefully changes would have been made to avoid last night's disaster by the offensive line. Such would have forced Schoen to make a trade to upgrade the offensive line which I repeatedly called for. Your position has been that Neal just needed time to develop. Glad that even you see how hopeless that is. blah blah blah you repeatable say "everything to cover every single contingency". Bottom line is you thought they would win last night easily and they were humiliated on national TV. At least admit that miggs!! I freely and openly admit I was 100% wrong in my assessment of last night's out come. I have said it on several posts already in various threads. You should admit too or just STFU Some can look beyond the score. Some can't. You're in the later category. One game does not make a season. If you've already concluded the Giants are a bad team so be it. There's a difference between playing a bad first game and being a bad team. You may be proved right, but the Giants first game is no litmus test.I'd be saying that if the Giants won as well. .
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Post by GameTime on Sept 11, 2023 11:29:44 GMT -5
blah blah blah you repeatable say "everything to cover every single contingency". Bottom line is you thought they would win last night easily and they were humiliated on national TV. At least admit that miggs!! I freely and openly admit I was 100% wrong in my assessment of last night's out come. I have said it on several posts already in various threads. You should admit too or just STFU Some can look beyond the score. Some can't. You're in the later category. One game does not make a season. If you've already concluded the Giants are a bad team so be it. There's a difference between playing a bad first game and being a bad team. You may be proved right, but the Giants first game is no litmus test.I'd be saying that if the Giants won as well. . your comprehension is terrible. I clearly said "LAST NIGHTS GAME" You cant look beyond your own BS They are a bad team today. They were a bad team last night. Let's see what next Sunday brings. I dont want to be right. I want the NYGs to get their shit together. One game does not make a season is true. Last night and the last year's playoff game vs the eagles combined score of 78-7. Let that sink in. They could go 16-1 and one this season and last night will still be a historically bad game.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 11, 2023 13:33:23 GMT -5
Looks like they put this roster together an hour before the game and they never practiced once together.
They may have been better off with no game plan or play calls.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 11, 2023 14:51:57 GMT -5
Some can look beyond the score. Some can't. You're in the later category. One game does not make a season. If you've already concluded the Giants are a bad team so be it. There's a difference between playing a bad first game and being a bad team. You may be proved right, but the Giants first game is no litmus test.I'd be saying that if the Giants won as well. . your comprehension is terrible. I clearly said "LAST NIGHTS GAME" You cant look beyond your own BS They are a bad team today. They were a bad team last night. Let's see what next Sunday brings. I dont want to be right. I want the NYGs to get their shit together. One game does not make a season is true. Last night and the last year's playoff game vs the eagles combined score of 78-7. Let that sink in. They could go 16-1 and one this season and last night will still be a historically bad game. I don’t know why you continue to feed this clown troll, I guarantee you he doesn’t believe 99% of what he says. Probably a cows or filthy fan.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 11, 2023 14:52:53 GMT -5
Looks like they put this roster together an hour before the game and these never practiced once together. They may have been better off with no game plan or play calls. just realized the change in your avatar. bwahahahahahahaha…
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 11, 2023 15:09:39 GMT -5
I wonder if we can convince Gronk to come out of retirement anymore? Think he still wants to play with Dabs after this abomination?
With the exception of the Arizona game, I don't see a single game going forward we'll be favored. And if Thomas is out for an extended period of time, good ****ing luck to this sack of shit team avoiding 0-17.
That swagger and shine Joe Schoen had just got tarnished with shit. His draft picks have been ****ing horrible, and it's coming to roost.
- Thibs is hot garbage. I look forward to his first sack on week 14. - To even mention Neal is an exercise in self harm. - When is Wandale coming off the stretcher to play his 2 games, 60 yards of irrelevance? I guess we always need a small injured receiver on the team once Shep retires. - Bellenger was the only good things and he was replaced in free agency with a life size paper mache tight end. - Ezude and Mckethan were teammates on UNC. That's right, the power house UNC from the power house ACC conference. Same place we got Daniel Jones at Duke. They wouldn't make a top 10 college team, but somehow we allow them to be on our roster. - How the **** can Hyatt not beat out Hodgins or Slayton? He should take off the 13. - JMS, way to be in the center of the avalanche with our mis snap from hell.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 11, 2023 15:21:48 GMT -5
Looks like they put this roster together an hour before the game and these never practiced once together. They may have been better off with no game plan or play calls. just realized the change in your avatar. bwahahahahahahaha… I did a post with a before the game and after the game pics...lol before the game after the first D-bags score in the 3rd quarter
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Post by BlueReign on Sept 11, 2023 16:03:49 GMT -5
Looks like a team that read the press clippings. They weren't ready.
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Post by miggs on Sept 11, 2023 16:26:59 GMT -5
It's amazing how so many posters said here that the Giants shouldn't play their starters in pre-season games so they wouldn't get injured and now complain how bad the Giants looked last night. They simply fail to see that such is related to the starters having hardly played in pre-season games.
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Post by southerner on Sept 11, 2023 16:28:18 GMT -5
I was in DC…..about a mile from the pentagon when the plane came crashing down over the interstate which goes over the 14th street bridge. I worked in Saudi Arabia on military bases and the sound was loud, like a transport, a 141 or C-5 coming in hard…….then there it was. I did not see it hit the pentagon….but everyone knew……Edwards and all air bases were already scrambled and it was believed the White House or congressional hill was next. All Senators and Congress were evacuated and Yankee 1 was airborne with Bush….and now the new woke history books want to avoid mentioning this attack……that is despicable.
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