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Post by miggs on Oct 29, 2023 17:13:33 GMT -5
Playing not to lose is for losers. Too bad Daboll was the HC today. He should have been sitting in the rain drenched stands and suffered along with the . Team deserved better. Seems like he's trying to emulate Judge. He's getting there.
Hate HC's who tell a player what he does wrong when a player messes up as he already knows that.Daboll still has the presence on the sidelines of a coach, not that of a HC.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 29, 2023 17:13:53 GMT -5
Barkley had a good enough game to potentially draw interest. He always has defenses keying on him. But today after Tyrod and Waller go down he has 11 guys keying on him every play.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 29, 2023 17:14:39 GMT -5
Brian Daboll has officially lost me as a fan. I'm afraid I am with you Mike. Yeah, that nonsense Daboll pulled on offense was atrocious. They totally played not to lose instead of playing to win. I feel bad for Lawrence and Thibs. Those guys were dogs out there and the offense gave them virtually nothing.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 29, 2023 17:16:01 GMT -5
1st game Daboll was the HC against the titans he went for a two point conversion to win the game... Fast forward to today and instead of going for the win by getting a 1st down on 4th and 1 he goes for the FG which doesn't seal the win just makes it tougher on the jets as they'd need a TD instead of a tying FG. What has happened since that first game that he has lost the original courage he showed? This is where I am at. He should have gone for it in 1st half on that 4th and 1 in Jets territory as well. Instead a gimpy Gano missed 2 FG's and they lose the game despite an all world performance from their defense. The defense played well. The opponent helped that tremendously.
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Post by repeatchamps on Oct 29, 2023 17:17:24 GMT -5
This is where I am at. He should have gone for it in 1st half on that 4th and 1 in Jets territory as well. Instead a gimpy Gano missed 2 FG's and they lose the game despite an all world performance from their defense. The defense played well. The opponent helped that tremendously. True the Jets offense was abysmal as well.
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Post by miggs on Oct 29, 2023 17:18:40 GMT -5
The Jets ran lousy plays with a bad QB. Not a game to judge the Giants defense. However, individual defenders played well.
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 29, 2023 17:19:36 GMT -5
Barkley had a good enough game to potentially draw interest. Yes, we could probably get something for him like a 4th and 5th round pick, but he's the life and heartbeat of this team. He's also our ONLY offensive threat at the moment. We trade him, season is over. We should lock him up and see what we can get another QB for...
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Post by krappdetector on Oct 29, 2023 17:20:16 GMT -5
Disgusting display of insanity... over.. and over.. and over.. and over.. and
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 29, 2023 17:23:34 GMT -5
Barkley had a good enough game to potentially draw interest. Yes, we could probably get something for him like a 4th and 5th round pick, but he's the life and heartbeat of this team. He's also our ONLY offensive threat at the moment. We trade him, season is over. We should lock him up and see what we can get another QB for... Has to be a team which knows something is missing, Buffalo has cap issues and I cannot think of another team which may offer better than a 4th. idk if the Giants lock him up. Desperately need to pick in the Top 2 imo and get a QB or I think purgatory is our Giants ceiling with dips into hell.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 29, 2023 17:25:40 GMT -5
Barkley had a good enough game to potentially draw interest. Yes, we could probably get something for him like a 4th and 5th round pick, but he's the life and heartbeat of this team. He's also our ONLY offensive threat at the moment. We trade him, season is over. We should lock him up and see what we can get another QB for... He's the real face of the franchise. Unfortunately, the Giants force fed us with 8, and crashed and burned.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 29, 2023 17:29:40 GMT -5
Its a lot to digest but the way this ended reminded me of the kneel down on the goal line with Judge.
You play the whole second half conservatively and try to eliminate the chances for a mistake. I hated it, but ok.
Then at the end, you have a chance to win at the end with one yard. The low risk play there, the most conservative to me, is hand it off and eliminate the chance of something bad happening- a blocked FG, bad snap, etc.
Get 1 effing yard and the game is over. 1 yard. What happened to the guy who went for 2 at the end of the Titans game? Reward the defense for their play and not putting them out there again for the 20th time.
At worst they are on their 20, which is where they got it anyway. I know the defense could have stopped them, but it shouldn't have had to...again
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 29, 2023 17:30:35 GMT -5
Yes, we could probably get something for him like a 4th and 5th round pick, but he's the life and heartbeat of this team. He's also our ONLY offensive threat at the moment. We trade him, season is over. We should lock him up and see what we can get another QB for... Has to be a team which knows something is missing, Buffalo has cap issues and I cannot think of another team which may offer better than a 4th. idk if the Giants lock him up. Desperately need to pick in the Top 2 imo and get a QB or I think purgatory is our Giants ceiling with dips into hell. I wouldn’t deal him for a 4th. Sometimes some players are worth more to keep especially when the market for them is low. No one builds around a RB but I wanted him signed for three years last off season and would still be OK with a three year market deal. You need a franchise QB, Barkley can help bridge the team to that.
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 29, 2023 17:34:02 GMT -5
Has to be a team which knows something is missing, Buffalo has cap issues and I cannot think of another team which may offer better than a 4th. idk if the Giants lock him up. Desperately need to pick in the Top 2 imo and get a QB or I think purgatory is our Giants ceiling with dips into hell. I wouldn’t deal him for a 4th. Sometimes some players are worth more to keep especially when the market for them is low. No one builds around a RB but I wanted him signed for three years last off season and would still be OK with a three year market deal. You need a franchise QB, Barkley can help bridge the team to that. i wouldn’t either. hoping something crazy happens like a 2nd Rounder appears.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 29, 2023 18:00:01 GMT -5
they called the game to not lose, you can't win that way. I place this one on the offensive coaching staff. I don't care how little DeVito worked with the receivers, to not throw at all like that was criminal. I'm guessing he'll be throwing next week.... The season away, probably.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 29, 2023 18:08:56 GMT -5
Barkley had a good enough game to potentially draw interest. Yes, we could probably get something for him like a 4th and 5th round pick, but he's the life and heartbeat of this team. He's also our ONLY offensive threat at the moment.We trade him, season is over. We should lock him up and see what we can get another QB for... Right. He is going to keep the QB's alive and give us a fair shot to evaluate Jones the rest of the way. For that reason alone he's worth more to us here. Plus, no team is going to take on his contract for a temporary rental, then have to deal with resigning him knowing the unrealistic numbers he tried to get with us. He hasn't been that good this year.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 29, 2023 18:25:01 GMT -5
they called the game to not lose, you can't win that way. I place this one on the offensive coaching staff. I don't care how little DeVito worked with the receivers, to not throw at all like that was criminal. I'm guessing he'll be throwing next week.... The season away, probably. I'm sorry... while mathematically still possble... but isn't the season already gone?
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 29, 2023 18:27:25 GMT -5
Yes, we could probably get something for him like a 4th and 5th round pick, but he's the life and heartbeat of this team. He's also our ONLY offensive threat at the moment.We trade him, season is over. We should lock him up and see what we can get another QB for... Right. He is going to keep the QB's alive and give us a fair shot to evaluate Jones the rest of the way. For that reason alone he's worth more to us here. Plus, no team is going to take on his contract for a temporary rental, then have to deal with resigning him knowing the unrealistic numbers he tried to get with us. He hasn't been that good this year. There’s nothing to evaluate.. It’s a wrap.. The divorce is in the mail.. Now we just have to live with each other for another two years before we kick him to the curb. Barkley has always been the heart beat of our team. Our gutless offense would have flatlined if not for him pumping blood into it. Career high in carries.. Eight shy of the franchise record. Only thing he didn’t do today is miss two field goals.
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Post by Modog on Oct 29, 2023 18:51:11 GMT -5
Right. He is going to keep the QB's alive and give us a fair shot to evaluate Jones the rest of the way. For that reason alone he's worth more to us here. Plus, no team is going to take on his contract for a temporary rental, then have to deal with resigning him knowing the unrealistic numbers he tried to get with us. He hasn't been that good this year. There’s nothing to evaluate.. It’s a wrap.. The divorce is in the mail.. Now we just have to live with each other for another two years before we kick him to the curb. Barkley has always been the heart beat of our team. Our gutless offense would have flatlined if not for him pumping blood into it. Career high in carries.. Eight shy of the franchise record. Only thing he didn’t do today is miss two field goals. I didn't need to see today's game to say Saquon is the heart and soul of this offense. Which made it even more sickening seeing DJ get the bag this offseason while they got stingy with Saquon. Ownership got what they deserved.. now they are forced to pay a backup level QB with a neck problem 100m guaranteed..over the 25m plus they already gifted him by overdrafting him 6th overall
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Post by McCherry on Oct 29, 2023 18:51:11 GMT -5
I'm guessing he'll be throwing next week.... The season away, probably. I'm sorry... while mathematically still possble... but isn't the season already gone? Pretty much, I was just trying to make some kind of a pun.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 29, 2023 19:03:33 GMT -5
There’s nothing to evaluate.. It’s a wrap.. The divorce is in the mail.. Now we just have to live with each other for another two years before we kick him to the curb. Barkley has always been the heart beat of our team. Our gutless offense would have flatlined if not for him pumping blood into it. Career high in carries.. Eight shy of the franchise record. Only thing he didn’t do today is miss two field goals. I didn't need to see today's game to say Saquon is the heart and soul of this offense. Which made it even more sickening seeing DJ get the bag this offseason while they got stingy with Saquon. Ownership got what they deserved.. now they are forced to pay a backup level QB with a neck problem 100m guaranteed..over the 25m plus they already gifted him by overdrafting him 6th overall The Coach and GM’s mistake with Jones has nothing to do with Barkley and in no way shape or form prohibited the team from signing Barkley. He just got malpractice worthy advice from his representatives.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 29, 2023 19:16:11 GMT -5
You have nothing to gain with a FG except to lose the way we did, or on a KO return. By running it, at worst you set up the Jets with a 80 yd drive with 20-something seconds left. But again, we would've walked for a 1st down with the way we were dominating the line of scrimmage. Daboll played the analytics game and got served. I don’t think incompetence is in the analytics book. Thought we had seen the end of the I word guess not.
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 29, 2023 19:18:23 GMT -5
I didn't need to see today's game to say Saquon is the heart and soul of this offense. Which made it even more sickening seeing DJ get the bag this offseason while they got stingy with Saquon. Ownership got what they deserved.. now they are forced to pay a backup level QB with a neck problem 100m guaranteed..over the 25m plus they already gifted him by overdrafting him 6th overall The Coach and GM’s mistake with Jones has nothing to do with Barkley and in no way shape or form prohibited the team from signing Barkley. He just got malpractice worthy advice from his representatives. we’re a hit away from Barkley playing QB so that is quite a deal.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 29, 2023 19:21:28 GMT -5
I'm afraid I am with you Mike. Yeah, that nonsense Daboll pulled on offense was atrocious. They totally played not to lose instead of playing to win. I feel bad for Lawrence and Thibs. Those guys were dogs out there and the offense gave them virtually nothing. No matter what the defense played more than good enough today. I would have rather lost the game with Devito trying to sling it then playing not to lose, what makes it worse if your gonna play that way hand it to SQB on 4th and 1 and not on a draw give him a chance.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 29, 2023 19:27:33 GMT -5
Yeah, that nonsense Daboll pulled on offense was atrocious. They totally played not to lose instead of playing to win. I feel bad for Lawrence and Thibs. Those guys were dogs out there and the offense gave them virtually nothing. No matter what the defense played more than good enough today.
I would have rather lost the game with Devito trying to sling it then playing not to lose, what makes it worse if your gonna play that way hand it to SQB on 4th and 1 and not on a draw give him a chance. Poor Thibodeaux. had his "arrival" game completely erased.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 29, 2023 19:28:45 GMT -5
No matter what the defense played more than good enough today.
I would have rather lost the game with Devito trying to sling it then playing not to lose, what makes it worse if your gonna play that way hand it to SQB on 4th and 1 and not on a draw give him a chance. Poor Thibodeaux. had his "arrival" game completely erased. I thought last year vs WAS was his arrival game.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 29, 2023 19:32:08 GMT -5
Barkley had a good enough game to potentially draw interest. He always has defenses keying on him. But today after Tyrod and Waller go down he has 11 guys keying on him every play. LOL the team that should be interested is the Giants he can be a caddy fro the young QB or help DJ win some games but he is the life blood of the offense
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 29, 2023 19:34:06 GMT -5
Poor Thibodeaux. had his "arrival" game completely erased. I thought last year vs WAS was his arrival game. He has been stacking them together 1.5 sacks and several plays last week 3 sacks and several stops again this week all while playing up to 90% of the snaps
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Post by McCherry on Oct 29, 2023 19:37:05 GMT -5
Poor Thibodeaux. had his "arrival" game completely erased. I thought last year vs WAS was his arrival game. That was more of a "hello" game. You can't arrive until you back it up in year 2. After today, you can't question him anymore. He's playing like a 5th overall pick.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 29, 2023 19:38:27 GMT -5
Barkley had a good enough game to potentially draw interest. Yes, we could probably get something for him like a 4th and 5th round pick, but he's the life and heartbeat of this team. He's also our ONLY offensive threat at the moment. We trade him, season is over. We should lock him up and see what we can get another QB for... Think your right he can really help a young QB and or make life easier for Jones
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 29, 2023 19:40:49 GMT -5
I thought last year vs WAS was his arrival game. His poor start this year erased that. That was more of a "hello" game. After today, you can't question him anymore. He's playing like a 5th overall pick. Dude has 8.5 sacks you can see his game growing using his hands better using his best weapon his great first step it's just getting better he will be part of the turnaround here.
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