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Post by southerner on Nov 8, 2023 18:45:21 GMT -5
If the Giants end up as the first pick of the draft, they can actually draft the player immediately, long before the draft event. Of course the NFL discourages this, but the rules allow it……..if the Giants are first and sure who they want, they should ignore the NFL’s wishes, draft their new QB and immediately start teaching him the playbook. Incidentally, if the Giants did do that, then the team picking second could pick, and on and on.
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Post by southerner on Nov 8, 2023 18:52:50 GMT -5
If the Giants end up as the first pick of the draft, they can actually draft the player immediately, long before the draft event. Of course the NFL discourages this, but the rules allow it……..if the Giants are first and sure who they want, they should ignore the NFL’s wishes, draft their new QB and immediately start teaching him the playbook. Incidentally, if the Giants did do that, then the team picking second could pick, and on and on. I should add, the Giants would have to wait until the new NFL year began which should be in early to mid March.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 8, 2023 21:37:51 GMT -5
The NFL doesn't want to ruin the event of the NFL Draft. The first 2 days they get a lot of mileage from. Fans love it, the 1st rd is talked about for months previous. The Last thing they want is to do is mess with the Golden Goose.
The Giants could sign him at the beginning of the new fiscal year if they're allowed but all they would gain is a few weeks. The draft is the end of March I believe. I believe the rookies get a week or so by themselves before any players come in. Then there is three 3 day practices allowed before pre season starts. The players union insists on down time for all players.
Only playing time speeds up the learning process from what I understand.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 8, 2023 22:32:11 GMT -5
If the Giants end up as the first pick of the draft, they can actually draft the player immediately, long before the draft event. Of course the NFL discourages this, but the rules allow it……..if the Giants are first and sure who they want, they should ignore the NFL’s wishes, draft their new QB and immediately start teaching him the playbook. Incidentally, if the Giants did do that, then the team picking second could pick, and on and on. Teams send their playbooks before the draft often and then review during interviews.
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Post by presumablygunner on Nov 8, 2023 22:52:30 GMT -5
You are way too excited about this
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 9, 2023 6:47:03 GMT -5
The NFL doesn't want to ruin the event of the NFL Draft. The first 2 days they get a lot of mileage from. Fans love it, the 1st rd is talked about for months previous. The Last thing they want is to do is mess with the Golden Goose. The Giants could sign him at the beginning of the new fiscal year if they're allowed but all they would gain is a few weeks. The draft is the end of March I believe. I believe the rookies get a week or so by themselves before any players come in. Then there is three 3 day practices allowed before pre season starts. The players union insists on down time for all players. Only playing time speeds up the learning process from what I understand. Apr 25 - 27
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Post by Analyst on Nov 9, 2023 6:53:18 GMT -5
It was told that once Dave Gettleman drafted a RB 2nd overall a month before the draft he was so excited.
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Post by hadenough on Nov 9, 2023 7:12:22 GMT -5
I don’t love any QB in this draft…I don’t think the 1st round QBs would be all that different from the 3rd round QBs.
With that said…I wouldn’t mind the Giants trading out of a top 3 pick.
Get another 1st and 2nd. We need players. Another mediocre QB won’t help. We already have one. And he’s under contact.
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Post by southerner on Nov 9, 2023 7:36:31 GMT -5
The NFL doesn't want to ruin the event of the NFL Draft. The first 2 days they get a lot of mileage from. Fans love it, the 1st rd is talked about for months previous. The Last thing they want is to do is mess with the Golden Goose. The Giants could sign him at the beginning of the new fiscal year if they're allowed but all they would gain is a few weeks. The draft is the end of March I believe. I believe the rookies get a week or so by themselves before any players come in. Then there is three 3 day practices allowed before pre season starts. The players union insists on down time for all players. Only playing time speeds up the learning process from what I understand. The draft is the end of April, they would gain at least a month and a half….who cares about the NFL’s little TV event.
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Post by southerner on Nov 9, 2023 7:38:52 GMT -5
I don’t love any QB in this draft…I don’t think the 1st round QBs would be all that different from the 3rd round QBs. With that said…I wouldn’t mind the Giants trading out of a top 3 pick. Get another 1st and 2nd. We need players. Another mediocre QB won’t help. We already have one. And he’s under contact. No, they are drafting a QB in the first…..no doubt about it. The only way they would not is if they win a lot of games and fall too far down the draft board…….but that ain’t happening as they will not win another game this season.
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Post by roundabout on Nov 9, 2023 7:40:40 GMT -5
I don’t love any QB in this draft…I don’t think the 1st round QBs would be all that different from the 3rd round QBs. With that said…I wouldn’t mind the Giants trading out of a top 3 pick. Get another 1st and 2nd. We need players. Another mediocre QB won’t help. We already have one. And he’s under contact. Caleb has 30 fumbles in his short college career..The pac 10 isn't known for their defensive prowess. No thank you for him in my opiniom
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Post by southerner on Nov 9, 2023 7:41:09 GMT -5
If the Giants end up as the first pick of the draft, they can actually draft the player immediately, long before the draft event. Of course the NFL discourages this, but the rules allow it……..if the Giants are first and sure who they want, they should ignore the NFL’s wishes, draft their new QB and immediately start teaching him the playbook. Incidentally, if the Giants did do that, then the team picking second could pick, and on and on. Teams send their playbooks before the draft often and then review during interviews. No, they send them a sample playbook, not their real playbook. A team would be insane to send their playbooks out ……that is beyond stupid.
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Post by Roswell on Nov 9, 2023 7:46:47 GMT -5
If the Giants end up as the first pick of the draft, they can actually draft the player immediately, long before the draft event. Of course the NFL discourages this, but the rules allow it……..if the Giants are first and sure who they want, they should ignore the NFL’s wishes, draft their new QB and immediately start teaching him the playbook. Incidentally, if the Giants did do that, then the team picking second could pick, and on and on. And if some sort of tragedy or lapse of judgement happens to the guy between their premature draft and the actual draft, what then? Do they ask for a mulligan?
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 9, 2023 7:57:02 GMT -5
I don’t love any QB in this draft…I don’t think the 1st round QBs would be all that different from the 3rd round QBs. With that said…I wouldn’t mind the Giants trading out of a top 3 pick. Get another 1st and 2nd. We need players. Another mediocre QB won’t help. We already have one. And he’s under contact. This may be how it plays out. I haven’t seen Schoen do something for the sake of doing something without a strategic angle to it. I also don’t doubt that if he loves a QB in this draft, he’s taking one.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 9, 2023 7:57:35 GMT -5
Teams send their playbooks before the draft often and then review during interviews. No, they send them a sample playbook, not their real playbook. A team would be insane to send their playbooks out ……that is beyond stupid. and if the kid gets arrested or some other discovery is made it would be really smart to draft him before the draft like you proposed 😂🙄😂
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 9, 2023 8:00:12 GMT -5
If the Giants end up as the first pick of the draft, they can actually draft the player immediately, long before the draft event. Of course the NFL discourages this, but the rules allow it……..if the Giants are first and sure who they want, they should ignore the NFL’s wishes, draft their new QB and immediately start teaching him the playbook. Incidentally, if the Giants did do that, then the team picking second could pick, and on and on. And if some sort of tragedy or lapse of judgement happens to the guy between their premature draft and the actual draft, what then? Do they ask for a mulligan? He can whine the kid is a bust and blame management
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 9, 2023 8:03:31 GMT -5
. Incidentally, if the Giants did do that, then the team picking second could pick, and on and on. It does cost us tax payers a lot to keep your type around 😂
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Post by Analyst on Nov 9, 2023 8:07:22 GMT -5
I don’t love any QB in this draft…I don’t think the 1st round QBs would be all that different from the 3rd round QBs. With that said…I wouldn’t mind the Giants trading out of a top 3 pick. Get another 1st and 2nd. We need players. Another mediocre QB won’t help. We already have one. And he’s under contact. No, they are drafting a QB in the first…..no doubt about it. The only way they would not is if they win a lot of games and fall too far down the draft board…….but that ain’t happening as they will not win another game this season. Probably, but I wouldn't be mad if they didn't. Marvin Harrison Jr is a stud #1 WR. We can finally get one of those on our team to compete with the CeeDee Lambs and AJ Browns. DJ will most likely be back in 2024, and go get yourself a FA vet to compete like Minshew/Mayfield and depending on how DeVito/Barkley play the rest of the year, one of them if not someone else. We need 3 capable QBs next year with experience because our QB1 most likely will be very limited if not completely toast. .
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 9, 2023 8:11:55 GMT -5
the draft isn't really that fun to watch anymore or the element of surprise anyway. Maybe 10 plus years ago before the mega social media stuff it was good to turn to start the draft and they would just have their pre draft talks and there was no " Well its pretty clear so and so is going to be the first pick taken" ect ect ect. You hear the rumblings maybe a month before and see it over all the shows and tickers, ect ect so yeah you pretty much know how the first 2-3 picks wil likely go.
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Post by scoostraw on Nov 9, 2023 8:12:47 GMT -5
and if the kid gets arrested or some other discovery is made it would be really smart to draft him before the draft like you proposed 😂🙄😂 Right. Or if he gets in a car accident or something. That's why teams call the player on the phone minutes before the pick is in - to confirm that he is alive and breathing - and isn't in jail or something.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 9, 2023 8:17:13 GMT -5
No, they are drafting a QB in the first…..no doubt about it. The only way they would not is if they win a lot of games and fall too far down the draft board…….but that ain’t happening as they will not win another game this season. Probably, but I wouldn't be mad if they didn't. Marvin Harrison Jr is a stud #1 WR. We can finally get one of those on our team to compete with the CeeDee Lambs and AJ Browns. DJ will most likely be back in 2024, and go get yourself a FA vet to compete like Minshew/Mayfield and depending on how DeVito/Barkley play the rest of the year, one of them if not someone else. We need 3 capable QBs next year with experience because our QB1 most likely will be very limited if not completely toast. . Same. We have more than a couple holes at premium positions. I don’t think anyone would be pissed if we picked a QB. But the same guys saying we MUST pick a QB will be the same ones saying “fire the GM. The QB he picked sucked”. Schoen will do something that makes sense. He has been so far.
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Post by jerky on Nov 9, 2023 9:10:20 GMT -5
They are not a QB away from contention, so I would like it if they traded down and beefed up the roster.
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Post by Analyst on Nov 9, 2023 9:20:58 GMT -5
They are not a QB away from contention, so I would like it if they traded down and beefed up the roster. They could be if they got the right one IMO. Its a lot of guess work though. You need to nail it. If Williams is the next Mahomes, or at least they feel he will be, you cant pass it up. SAme with Drake Maye if they feel he is the next Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers. They have to take him. If they dont, if they feel like they are just good QBs, then you go BPA and that should be Harrison Jr. I think I would trade back if Harrison was gone and one of those QBs fell to our spot but the GM didnt feel he was worth it. Then trade back.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 9, 2023 9:53:07 GMT -5
If the Giants end up as the first pick of the draft, they can actually draft the player immediately, long before the draft event. Of course the NFL discourages this, but the rules allow it……..if the Giants are first and sure who they want, they should ignore the NFL’s wishes, draft their new QB and immediately start teaching him the playbook. Incidentally, if the Giants did do that, then the team picking second could pick, and on and on. If we have the first or second pick, we should trade it for multiple high picks. Our roster is still very needy. imho
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Post by inthezone on Nov 9, 2023 9:53:14 GMT -5
They are not a QB away from contention, so I would like it if they traded down and beefed up the roster. Unless there is a stud pass rusher coming out that's better than Thibs of course.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 9, 2023 9:58:13 GMT -5
If the Giants end up as the first pick of the draft, they can actually draft the player immediately, long before the draft event. Of course the NFL discourages this, but the rules allow it……..if the Giants are first and sure who they want, they should ignore the NFL’s wishes, draft their new QB and immediately start teaching him the playbook. Incidentally, if the Giants did do that, then the team picking second could pick, and on and on. Think he who ever it is has to wait to get a play book.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 9, 2023 10:06:32 GMT -5
If the Giants end up as the first pick of the draft, they can actually draft the player immediately, long before the draft event. Of course the NFL discourages this, but the rules allow it……..if the Giants are first and sure who they want, they should ignore the NFL’s wishes, draft their new QB and immediately start teaching him the playbook. Incidentally, if the Giants did do that, then the team picking second could pick, and on and on. If we have the first or second pick, we should trade it for multiple high picks. Our roster is still very needy. imho I go back and forth with trade to take the QB if Schoen likes his job he has to be thinking if they are here again in a couple years trying to draft a QB he won't be the one making that pick. If they can get their guy with their #1 picking not have to trade the world to get their man, Think they need to consider it strongly. They will have 2 second round picks and their 3rd to bolster the roster. Either way right now I would not complain but I do think from everything I have seen from Jones that last year was an outlier and his health isn't worth the GM and coach risking their jobs over.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 9, 2023 10:14:20 GMT -5
The NFL doesn't want to ruin the event of the NFL Draft. The first 2 days they get a lot of mileage from. Fans love it, the 1st rd is talked about for months previous. The Last thing they want is to do is mess with the Golden Goose. The Giants could sign him at the beginning of the new fiscal year if they're allowed but all they would gain is a few weeks. The draft is the end of March I believe. I believe the rookies get a week or so by themselves before any players come in. Then there is three 3 day practices allowed before pre season starts. The players union insists on down time for all players. Only playing time speeds up the learning process from what I understand. Apr 25 - 27 End of April thanks Fletch. Well that would be about an extra 6 weeks. Are we allowed to pick that early ? I don't know.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 9, 2023 10:17:55 GMT -5
The NFL doesn't want to ruin the event of the NFL Draft. The first 2 days they get a lot of mileage from. Fans love it, the 1st rd is talked about for months previous. The Last thing they want is to do is mess with the Golden Goose. The Giants could sign him at the beginning of the new fiscal year if they're allowed but all they would gain is a few weeks. The draft is the end of March I believe. I believe the rookies get a week or so by themselves before any players come in. Then there is three 3 day practices allowed before pre season starts. The players union insists on down time for all players. Only playing time speeds up the learning process from what I understand. The draft is the end of April, they would gain at least a month and a half….who cares about the NFL’s little TV event. Yes the end of April, that is an extra 6 weeks or so. And were allowed to pick that early ? It is a lot of extra time to learn the offense.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 9, 2023 11:06:29 GMT -5
If we have the first or second pick, we should trade it for multiple high picks. Our roster is still very needy. imho I go back and forth with trade to take the QB if Schoen likes his job he has to be thinking if they are here again in a couple years trying to draft a QB he won't be the one making that pick. If they can get their guy with their #1 picking not have to trade the world to get their man, Think they need to consider it strongly. They will have 2 second round picks and their 3rd to bolster the roster. Either way right now I would not complain but I do think from everything I have seen from Jones that last year was an outlier and his health isn't worth the GM and coach risking their jobs over. I hear you and it comes down to Schoen's conviction around one QB or another. Trading for multiple pick is the safer route and more to our greatest need which still is the roster at large. In the end it's Schoen's call to live or die with. Taking a QB puts all his chips on that decision being correct and we all know how hard it is to pick a big time QB regardless of draft position. It will be interesting to watch.
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