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Post by Roswell on Dec 17, 2023 17:32:00 GMT -5
He didn’t play well but he didn’t play nearly as badly as the Oline.
They suck.
Pugh? Sucks.
They have one excellent left tackle and hopefully a developing center. Every other Olineman sucks.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 17, 2023 17:34:28 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand the offensive game plan for this game at all. I don't think it gave them any chance to win this game. What you witnessed was exactly all Danny could handle. A very rudimentary version of the playbook. No way he can run the complex offense that was needed to dishevel that Saints D. Even the route trees that ran were High schoolish in nature. No wonder they were constantly not able to get separation. There was no fooling that secondary. They knew exactly what was coming. [br He didn't play well, but they didn't do much to help him. Barkley didn't get nearly enough touches, neither did Wan'Dale. The creativity of last weeks game plan was not there today.
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Post by TEM on Dec 17, 2023 17:35:40 GMT -5
What you witnessed was exactly all Danny could handle. A very rudimentary version of the playbook. No way he can run the complex offense that was needed to dishevel that Saints D. Even the route trees that ran were High schoolish in nature. No wonder they were constantly not able to get separation. There was no fooling that secondary. They knew exactly what was coming. [br He didn't play well, but they didn't do much to help him. Barkley didn't get nearly enough touches, neither did Wan'Dale. The creativity of last weeks game plan was not there today. His sacks were drive killers. Can't dig out of that hole with him behind center.
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Post by repeatchamps on Dec 17, 2023 17:37:41 GMT -5
Taylor would have made no difference today based on what I saw when he was the starter.
Regardless, Defense should be ashamed of their efforts today. If that was what we were going to get defensively, no chance to win no matter which QB played for the Giants offense. Exactly. Through 3 QB's, nothing has changed on offense. Also agree the defense gave us no hope. Terrible, from the coaching on down, and we've said that too much this season. I like Wink but honestly too many games this year the Defense was flat or out-coached. Cards, SF, Dallas twice, Miami, Raiders, Saints. Completely invisible and lifeless.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 17, 2023 17:39:24 GMT -5
He didn’t play well but he didn’t play nearly as badly as the Oline. They suck. Pugh? Sucks. They have one excellent left tackle and hopefully a developing center. Every other Olineman sucks. What's sad is that most of the starters are bad and not much better than the back ups. They can't even run block, can't move a defense off the ball and keep defenders out of the backfield. Its pathetic.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 17, 2023 17:40:07 GMT -5
He didn’t play well but he didn’t play nearly as badly as the Oline. They suck. Pugh? Sucks. They have one excellent left tackle and hopefully a developing center. Every other Olineman sucks. What's sad is that most of the starters are bad and not much better than the back ups. They can't even run block, can't move a defense off the ball and keep defenders out of the backfield. Its pathetic. at least their consistent...
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Post by McCherry on Dec 17, 2023 17:46:17 GMT -5
He didn’t play well but he didn’t play nearly as badly as the Oline. They suck. Pugh? Sucks. They have one excellent left tackle and hopefully a developing center. Every other Olineman sucks. What's sad is that most of the starters are bad and not much better than the back ups. They can't even run block, can't move a defense off the ball and keep defenders out of the backfield. Its pathetic. Most of that was one player. The Saints clearly did their homework and went after Pugh all day. All the pressure, all the holes were coming from that side.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 17, 2023 17:49:17 GMT -5
[br He didn't play well, but they didn't do much to help him. Barkley didn't get nearly enough touches, neither did Wan'Dale. The creativity of last weeks game plan was not there today. His sacks were drive killers. Can't dig out of that hole with him behind center. And that was his biggest issue when he played at Cuse. Today is pretty much who he was when he was here.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 17, 2023 17:50:38 GMT -5
What's sad is that most of the starters are bad and not much better than the back ups. They can't even run block, can't move a defense off the ball and keep defenders out of the backfield. Its pathetic. Most of that was one player. The Saints clearly did their homework and went after Pugh all day. All the pressure, all the holes were coming from that side. He was as bad today as I've ever seen him play. He's washed....
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Post by Roswell on Dec 17, 2023 17:51:42 GMT -5
His sacks were drive killers. Can't dig out of that hole with him behind center. And that was his biggest issue when he played at Cuse. Today is pretty much who he was when he was here. You can’t run an offense if you can’t block. It’s impossible. Their Oline is unwatchable.
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Post by gumby on Dec 17, 2023 17:59:09 GMT -5
He looked like what I expected. A 3rd stringer with 3-4 games experience.
It's not realistic to expect him to act like he knows the offense. He's still learning.
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Post by Analyst on Dec 17, 2023 18:25:39 GMT -5
And that was his biggest issue when he played at Cuse. Today is pretty much who he was when he was here. You can’t run an offense if you can’t block. It’s impossible. Their Oline is unwatchable. Its the same reason why everyone always defended DJ. The OL is terrible and the WRs are meh. I dont see much of a difference between DJ and TD as far as overall QB impact. Ill give the nod to TD, but both are backup QBs more than likely. We have 1 good OLman after 10 years of trying. Pathetic. I will say this, the play calling was absolutely dog shit today too. Why did they give up on teh run so early and why no reverses or end arounds with WanDale / Hyatt? It worked bs GB. Now none?
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Post by Jomo on Dec 17, 2023 18:56:10 GMT -5
In previous games he looked like a magician avoiding the rush. Today the defense planned for that and all the escape lanes were covered. He's ordinary but perhaps a very cost-effective backup QB next year. Let him keep playing. I'll be happy to see how he reacts to the eagles.
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Post by Analyst on Dec 17, 2023 19:14:43 GMT -5
In previous games he looked like a magician avoiding the rush. Today the defense planned for that and all the escape lanes were covered. He's ordinary but perhaps a very cost-effective backup QB next year. Let him keep playing. I'll be happy to see how he reacts to the eagles. Agreed. He has limitations but can be a solid backup IMO. And he didn't turn the ball over again. If he has a solid line he can win us games while pitchhitting for a legit starting QB. I still want to see him play more though and not see a bull rush 2 seconds after the snap nearly every play. When he has time he did good things in his 5 starts. I think he has done enough to stick around.
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Post by lt56 on Dec 17, 2023 19:18:38 GMT -5
the worst pressure to deal with for a QB is up the middle, can't step up in the pocket and makes it impossible to escape the rush
need to make another Shuffle with the Interior, time to end the Pugh comeback story garbage please...ENOUGH it was a nice story for a month but we're being remind exactly WHY he was sitting on his Couch
Bredeson and Phillips finally stabilized and stopped the bleeding on the right side of the line but now Left Guard/Center part of the Line is really struggling and the Saints purposely targets Pugh and that soft Spot they found in that Line
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Post by SG88 on Dec 17, 2023 19:41:09 GMT -5
I have been saying for a month. The Defensive take aways were masking his inefficiencies. Today they were exposed. Shame on Daboll for thinking he could step up to the challenge against a bonified NFL QB in a game we needed. Tyrod Would have giving us a better chance to win. Your hate of an UDFA QB is hilarious. Yes, it's hate at this point. The kid still plays better than starters in this league (and DJ) and will be our backup in 2024 because of it. Hopefully DJ take sa settlement and we can move on with a new starter. He is cheap and proves he can play when the OL isn't the worst OL in the NFL. The Giants don't have a good QB on their roster. That is our unfortunate reality. The fact that our 40 million dollar man has been outplayed by an UDFA in his first action tells me all that I need to know about his ass.
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Post by Analyst on Dec 17, 2023 19:56:04 GMT -5
Your hate of an UDFA QB is hilarious. Yes, it's hate at this point. The kid still plays better than starters in this league (and DJ) and will be our backup in 2024 because of it. Cheap and proves he can play when the OL isn't the worst OL in the NFL. Not hate. Sick of losing. He was the problem today. 60 yards in sack yardage. He is the reason we were in 3rd and forever. Sick of losing, yet you bashed him while winning 3 games in a row. Ok.
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Post by TEM on Dec 17, 2023 20:01:02 GMT -5
Not hate. Sick of losing. He was the problem today. 60 yards in sack yardage. He is the reason we were in 3rd and forever. Sick of losing, yet you bashed him while winning 3 games in a row. Ok. He had all those TOs awarded to him by the defense, and we barely won. Let' keep it in a real context. Him not have the free TOs proved he can't handle the job. He is a PS player. You want a new HC and GM. Keep DeVito behind the center.
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Post by Analyst on Dec 17, 2023 20:10:22 GMT -5
Sick of losing, yet you bashed him while winning 3 games in a row. Ok. He had all those TOs awarded to him by the defense, and we barely won. Let' keep it in a real context. Him not have the free TOs proved he can't handle the job. He is a PS player. You complained about games he was winning though. Of course turnovers from the defense helped. They help every QB. He had a game winning drive vs GB. A great game. He still is one of the most efficient 3rd down QBs in the NFL. It's a weird fascination you have here i cant tell if you are upset he was winning games for us and knocking our draft pick down? This OL is the worst OL in the NFL. Did you see Justin Pugh today? What do you expect from an UDFA QB constantly under pressure? And again despite losing today, and not having his best game, he still didn't turn the ball over. And he may have gotten a concussion and then could barely walk after his OL stepping on his foot. Played through it. To me he is a solid backup QB choice for 2024. And he will most likely be just that since they will need to pinch pennies with DJs massive payday. Probably add another cheap option. He has proven he can win games and lead game winning drives. Enough for me. Hopefully he continues to improve too.
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Post by TEM on Dec 17, 2023 20:15:47 GMT -5
He had all those TOs awarded to him by the defense, and we barely won. Let' keep it in a real context. Him not have the free TOs proved he can't handle the job. He is a PS player. You complained about games he was winning though. Of course turnovers from the defense helped. They help every QB. He had a game winning drive vs GB. A great game. He still is one of the most efficient 3rd down QBs in the NFL. It's a weird fascination you have here i cant tell if you are upset he was winning games for us and knocking our draft pick down? This OL is the worst OL in the NFL. Did you see Justin Pugh today? What do you expect from an UDFA QB constantly under pressure? And again despite losing today, and not having his best game, he still didn't turn the ball over. And he may have gotten a concussion and then could barely walk after his OL stepping on his foot. Played through it. To me he is a solid backup QB choice for 2024. And he will most likely be just that since they will need to pinch pennies with DJs massive payday. Probably add another cheap option. He has proven he can win games and lead game winning drives. Enough for me. Hopefully he continues to improve too. The only reason we won. He sucks otherwise. I am calling it now, He gets sacked 10 times for 80 yards next week if the HC is dumb enough to place him behind the center again.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 17, 2023 20:31:32 GMT -5
He played like shit and constantly held onto the ball way too long. I'm honestly not mad at him for his performance. I'm more disappointed in the coaching gameplan on offense. Barkley, who is their best player on offense by a lot, get only 11 touches? What was with the constant running up the gut and gaining no yards? Seems like we've done this all year. Runs to the outside, misdirections were gashing them....so we of course stopped doing it.
Vito is what he is. He comes it, doesn't turn it over but also isn't one to sling it around. Not a great game on his part but this loss is not on him.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 17, 2023 20:33:29 GMT -5
He didn’t play well but he didn’t play nearly as badly as the Oline. They suck. Pugh? Sucks. They have one excellent left tackle and hopefully a developing center. Every other Olineman sucks. I couldn't even judge how bad the other OL were cause Pugh was so bad. I would try Neal at LG right now if it were me. I'm actually glad he didn't play cause he'd get a ton of blame if suddenly we sucked this bad.
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Post by Martin on Dec 17, 2023 22:44:37 GMT -5
This oline situation are at levels of extreme embarrassment. They must fix this and the question is when as that has been embarrassing too. Years??? WTF!
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Post by yoho on Dec 17, 2023 22:51:21 GMT -5
He got absolutely no help from the running game whatsoever. And I think Kafka could have done a multitude of other things to simulate a running game like WR screens, jet sweeps, screen passes, etc. we have three extremely fast and quick WRs and you mean to tell me we can hit these guys on quick outs for five yards a pop?
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Post by yoho on Dec 17, 2023 22:57:08 GMT -5
He didn’t play well but he didn’t play nearly as badly as the Oline. They suck. Pugh? Sucks. They have one excellent left tackle and hopefully a developing center. Every other Olineman sucks. If they are going to be anything next year, they need to bring in a quality free agent right tackle (aka. FART) and possibly a guard as well, and maybe hit on another guard in the draft. Even if this miracle were to happen, it would take half the season to get chemistry.
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Post by Nite on Dec 17, 2023 23:07:31 GMT -5
He looked okay given what he is dealing with. An UDFA QB performs well against bad teams and poorly against good ones. Its to be expected. The Saints were a far better team than us today, they game planned for TD and we didn't have an answer for that. Not a real big deal given the expectations. I guess you can make comparisons to Brock Purdy as to the draft position, but that would be an unfair comparison. BP was drafted by a SB capable team. Not many areas of weakness there. TD was drafted by us and more holes than swiss cheese... About a week ago I was caught up in the hysteria thinking that he could possibly be 'the one' starter that is. Today's game brought me back to earth. I think he could become a decent backup with more development and coaching. Still need a starter...next draft be it
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 18, 2023 0:52:23 GMT -5
I thought he was OK. Maybe a bit overwhelmed with the pass rush he faced.
He's a young, developing QB....I'm not discouraged.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 18, 2023 7:34:01 GMT -5
He didn’t play well but he didn’t play nearly as badly as the Oline. They suck. Pugh? Sucks. They have one excellent left tackle and hopefully a developing center. Every other Olineman sucks. I couldn't even judge how bad the other OL were cause Pugh was so bad. I would try Neal at LG right now if it were me. I'm actually glad he didn't play cause he'd get a ton of blame if suddenly we sucked this bad. Neal has to get healthy before they can even consider reinserting him at RT or trying him at RG/LG...
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 18, 2023 9:59:30 GMT -5
I couldn't even judge how bad the other OL were cause Pugh was so bad. I would try Neal at LG right now if it were me. I'm actually glad he didn't play cause he'd get a ton of blame if suddenly we sucked this bad. Neal has to get healthy before they can even consider reinserting him at RT or trying him at RG/LG... Yes, that comment was assuming he is healthy. I'm a bit worried they are going to throw him out there as a RT against the Eagles. Vito might get killed.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 18, 2023 10:45:54 GMT -5
Neal has to get healthy before they can even consider reinserting him at RT or trying him at RG/LG... Yes, that comment was assuming he is healthy. I'm a bit worried they are going to throw him out there as a RT against the Eagles. Vito might get killed. He can't be much worse than Phillips was yesterday, but I hear ya!!! If our IoL plays as poorly as they did yesterday, it won't matter much anyway.
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