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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 4, 2018 19:20:16 GMT -5
The visit has been canceled. The press release stated that the whole team would not be there. Apparently the President insisted that everyone would stand for the National Anthem with their hand over their heart. That's what was read on the air of one of the cable news shows.
It just won't end.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 4, 2018 19:47:50 GMT -5
A proud moment in Eagle history.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 5, 2018 0:27:25 GMT -5
And American.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jun 5, 2018 0:57:04 GMT -5
This may be the beginning of the end, of having championship teams visit the White House.
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Post by EliQB10 on Jun 5, 2018 5:29:20 GMT -5
This may be the beginning of the end, of having championship teams visit the White House. While this President is in the White House anyway....didn't the Penguins decline to go also?
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Post by EliQB10 on Jun 5, 2018 7:42:33 GMT -5
This may be the beginning of the end, of having championship teams visit the White House. While this President is in the White House anyway....didn't the Penguins decline to go also? Actually check that...the Penguins went to the White House, the Warriors declined....
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 5, 2018 8:30:20 GMT -5
This may be the beginning of the end, of having championship teams visit the White House. As well it should in today’s political climate I guess.
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Post by KingCap88 on Jun 5, 2018 9:55:02 GMT -5
The White House had no choice but to cancel the Eagles visit since less than 10 players were planning to attend. I'm no Eagles fan, but I'm proud of most of them for refusing to go to see a president who has done nothing but publicly insult players. The White House shouldn't even bother inviting whoever wins the NBA Finals since neither the Cavs or Warriors will show up.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 5, 2018 10:00:34 GMT -5
They all should have gone. Players all went when it was George Bush, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama etc..... Politics should stay out of it. Players should go regardless of their views of the person who is holding the office.
Just go to the White House. When 10 players or less were going to go it would have just been a joke, To me this is on the Eagles players.
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 5, 2018 10:36:00 GMT -5
They all should have gone. Players all went when it was George Bush, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama etc..... Politics should stay out of it. Players should go regardless of their views of the person who is holding the office. Just go to the White House. When 10 players or less were going to go it would have just been a joke, To me this is on the Eagles players. Trump has now announced that there will still be a celebration, for fans originally invited and possibly those few players who would still go. And the National Anthem will be played - so I'd assume all must stand... was the National Anthem normally played at these type functions, in the past?
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 5, 2018 10:41:32 GMT -5
Plenty of players have opted out in the past including Brady skipping during the Obama adminsistraion (and subsequently) for the phantom scheduling conflict. And while most players are smart enough like Brady to make up an innocuous excuse, not all are.
Actions have consequences. Some players choose not to attend a photo op hosted by a guy who has no actual authority over their livelihood but has wasted more time picking fights with them and their profession rather than using that time to accomplish something productive for the country.
It’s well within their rights as citizens to do so. If the president doesn’t like it, that’s too bad. He can always come off like a spoiled child and disinvite them. The old “you can’t dump me because I’m now dumping you” isn’t at all pathetic and it never gets old.
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 5, 2018 10:56:37 GMT -5
Oh we called it off again last night But oh, this time I'm telling you, I'm telling you
We are never ever, ever getting back together We are never ever, ever getting back together You go talk to your friends, talk to my friends, talk to me But we are never ever, ever, ever getting back together
Like, ever
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 5, 2018 12:01:53 GMT -5
Plenty of players have opted out in the past including Brady skipping during the Obama adminsistraion (and subsequently) for the phantom scheduling conflict. And while most players are smart enough like Brady to make up an innocuous excuse, not all are. Actions have consequences. Some players choose not to attend a photo op hosted by a guy who has no actual authority over their livelihood but has wasted more time picking fights with them and their profession rather than using that time to accomplish something productive for the country. It’s well within their rights as citizens to do so. If the president doesn’t like it, that’s too bad. He can always come off like a spoiled child and disinvite them. The old “you can’t dump me because I’m now dumping you” isn’t at all pathetic and it never gets old. Again...It's the office that needs to be respected...even if the current occupant is someone you dislike. If Tom Brady or anyone else didn't show up for political reasons then they should be ashamed of themselves. There are bigger things than political squabbles. This sets a horrible precedent.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 5, 2018 14:41:49 GMT -5
Golden State already didn't have a visit. What's funny to me is that pretty much whoever ends up in office next will arrive and this will all stop. And there will be players who don't agree with that guys politics, but it won't be fashionable and trendy to bash that President. Oh well, it's 2018 and this is who we are. I like that Chris Long is so outspoken about all of this. That's who I need life advice from Howie Long's son who grew up with a silver spoon up his ***. At what point in his life has that guy had any sort of valuable real life experiences that the Average Joe(like myself) goes through?
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 5, 2018 14:53:21 GMT -5
Golden State already didn't have a visit. What's funny to me is that pretty much whoever ends up in office next will arrive and this will all stop. And there will be players who don't agree with that guys politics, but it won't be fashionable and trendy to bash that President. Oh well, it's 2018 and this is who we are. I like that Chris Long is so outspoken about all of this. That's who I need life advice from Howie Long's son who grew up with a silver spoon up his ***. At what point in his life has that guy had any sort of valuable real life experiences that the Average Joe(like myself) goes through? All good points....
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 5, 2018 14:57:40 GMT -5
Golden State already didn't have a visit. What's funny to me is that pretty much whoever ends up in office next will arrive and this will all stop. And there will be players who don't agree with that guys politics, but it won't be fashionable and trendy to bash that President. Oh well, it's 2018 and this is who we are. I like that Chris Long is so outspoken about all of this. That's who I need life advice from Howie Long's son who grew up with a silver spoon up his ***. At what point in his life has that guy had any sort of valuable real life experiences that the Average Joe(like myself) goes through? All good points.... Thank you Sir.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 5, 2018 15:07:23 GMT -5
Plenty of players have opted out in the past including Brady skipping during the Obama adminsistraion (and subsequently) for the phantom scheduling conflict. And while most players are smart enough like Brady to make up an innocuous excuse, not all are. Actions have consequences. Some players choose not to attend a photo op hosted by a guy who has no actual authority over their livelihood but has wasted more time picking fights with them and their profession rather than using that time to accomplish something productive for the country. It’s well within their rights as citizens to do so. If the president doesn’t like it, that’s too bad. He can always come off like a spoiled child and disinvite them. The old “you can’t dump me because I’m now dumping you” isn’t at all pathetic and it never gets old. Again...It's the office that needs to be respected...even if the current occupant is someone you dislike. If Tom Brady or anyone else didn't show up for political reasons then they should be ashamed of themselves. There are bigger things than political squabbles. This sets a horrible precedent. I agree but this isn't precedent setting. In order for that to be true this would have to be the first time it happened. It isn't; players have skipped this photo op for political reasons in the past. The primary difference is that those presidents (from both parties) weren't thin skinned morons about it.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 5, 2018 19:24:27 GMT -5
Oh we called it off again last night But oh, this time I'm telling you, I'm telling you We are never ever, ever getting back together We are never ever, ever getting back together You go talk to your friends, talk to my friends, talk to me But we are never ever, ever, ever getting back together Like, ever You don't hear grown men quote T Swizzle every day. I respect it.
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 6, 2018 5:48:38 GMT -5
Oh we called it off again last night But oh, this time I'm telling you, I'm telling you We are never ever, ever getting back together We are never ever, ever getting back together You go talk to your friends, talk to my friends, talk to me But we are never ever, ever, ever getting back together Like, ever You don't hear grown men quote T Swizzle every day. I respect it. LOL, please don't ask how I knew that song... maybe Trump would like to be known as T Swizzle?
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 6, 2018 6:42:03 GMT -5
Plenty of players have opted out in the past including Brady skipping during the Obama adminsistraion (and subsequently) for the phantom scheduling conflict. And while most players are smart enough like Brady to make up an innocuous excuse, not all are. Actions have consequences. Some players choose not to attend a photo op hosted by a guy who has no actual authority over their livelihood but has wasted more time picking fights with them and their profession rather than using that time to accomplish something productive for the country. It’s well within their rights as citizens to do so. If the president doesn’t like it, that’s too bad. He can always come off like a spoiled child and disinvite them. The old “you can’t dump me because I’m now dumping you” isn’t at all pathetic and it never gets old. Again...It's the office that needs to be respected...even if the current occupant is someone you dislike. If Tom Brady or anyone else didn't show up for political reasons then they should be ashamed of themselves. There are bigger things than political squabbles. This sets a horrible precedent. Respect is earned, and this President hasn’t earned it
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 6, 2018 7:47:55 GMT -5
Again...It's the office that needs to be respected...even if the current occupant is someone you dislike. If Tom Brady or anyone else didn't show up for political reasons then they should be ashamed of themselves. There are bigger things than political squabbles. This sets a horrible precedent. Respect is earned, and this President hasn’t earned it He might be respected, or possibly feared, more by many other countries leaders, than some of our previous Presidents. This may be more critical than what us as individuals feel about him, and all the trivial spats and absurd comments coming from him. I've never cared for him personally, but we as a country seem to doing much better for the majority.
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Post by KingCap88 on Jun 6, 2018 9:55:04 GMT -5
They all should have gone. Players all went when it was George Bush, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama etc..... Politics should stay out of it. Players should go regardless of their views of the person who is holding the office. Just go to the White House. When 10 players or less were going to go it would have just been a joke, To me this is on the Eagles players. But the difference with Bush, Clinton and Obama is that those presidents didn't publicly bash the NFL players, call them SOBs and say that maybe some of them shouldn't be in the country. It's hard for the players to keep politics out of it when the president is turning the fact some of the players kneeled during the anthem to protest social justice issues into a political weapon against the entire NFL. So, it's understandable that a lot of NFL players would find it hard to smile and pose for pictures with the person that's publicly attacked NFL players for months.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 6, 2018 11:40:35 GMT -5
Respect is earned, and this President hasn’t earned it He might be respected, or possibly feared, more by many other countries leaders, than some of our previous Presidents. This may be more critical than what us as individuals feel about him, and all the trivial spats and absurd comments coming from him. I've never cared for him personally, but we as a country seem to doing much better for the majority. While I think the absolute dearth of accomplishments speaks for itself, I do not believe that there has been any increase in either respect or fear of the US. In fact, quite the opposite. There may be some small fear due to volatility, ignorance and unpredictability but respect? That ship sailed over a year ago. I have yet to read - since the election - even one world leader indicate any kind of respect whatsoever for this administration and consequently this country. I have seen plenty of ridicule from other world leaders, which to me is the opposite of respect.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 6, 2018 11:43:07 GMT -5
Again...It's the office that needs to be respected...even if the current occupant is someone you dislike. If Tom Brady or anyone else didn't show up for political reasons then they should be ashamed of themselves. There are bigger things than political squabbles. This sets a horrible precedent. Respect is earned, and this President hasn’t earned it Again...It's the office, not the occupant of that office.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 6, 2018 11:43:18 GMT -5
They all should have gone. Players all went when it was George Bush, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama etc..... Politics should stay out of it. Players should go regardless of their views of the person who is holding the office. Just go to the White House. When 10 players or less were going to go it would have just been a joke, To me this is on the Eagles players. But the difference with Bush, Clinton and Obama is that those presidents didn't publicly bash the NFL players, call them SOBs and say that maybe some of them shouldn't be in the country. It's hard for the players to keep politics out of it when the president is turning the fact some of the players kneeled during the anthem to protest social justice issues into a political weapon against the entire NFL. So, it's understandable that a lot of NFL players would find it hard to smile and pose for pictures with the person that's publicly attacked NFL players for months. The president has zero authority in this arena. The biggest issue I have with this is that the owners have essentially handed over control of their business to his ranting. I don't know whether that is more stupid or pathetic. Either way it's no way to run a business.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 6, 2018 11:46:56 GMT -5
Respect is earned, and this President hasn’t earned it Again...It's the office, not the occupant of that office. I agree with this wholeheartedly but unfortunately not everyone in the world does. And for those folks, the office itself does not supersede the actions of the person holding it.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 6, 2018 11:54:01 GMT -5
He might be respected, or possibly feared, more by many other countries leaders, than some of our previous Presidents. This may be more critical than what us as individuals feel about him, and all the trivial spats and absurd comments coming from him. I've never cared for him personally, but we as a country seem to doing much better for the majority. While I think the absolute dearth of accomplishments speaks for itself, I do not believe that there has been any increase in either respect or fear of the US. In fact, quite the opposite. There may be some small fear due to volatility, ignorance and unpredictability but respect? That ship sailed over a year ago. I have yet to read - since the election - even one world leader indicate any kind of respect whatsoever for this administration and consequently this country. I have seen plenty of ridicule from other world leaders, which to me is the opposite of respect. Dearth of accomplishments? Let me say this first...I did NOT vote for the current president. But to suggest a dearth of accomplishments is nonsense. Since election day....and I mean since the actual evening of the election....the market has been up a staggering amount. That means that pensions, 401K's and IRA's have exploded. Which has allowed millions of Americans to have more security and have the opportunity to lead better lives. The unemployment rate is 3.8%. That is, in economic terms, "full employment". That means millions more Americans have the dignity of work and the ability to have better lives. African American unemployment in the lowest in US history. The economy is growing substantially faster than under either Obama or Bush. Projections are for over 4% growth this year alone. That would reduce the deficit by more than $500B this year alone. That is $500B less our children will be on the hook. All that as a product of a regiment of deregulation and the corportate tax cuts,along with a general friendly attitude towards solid economic principles.... which have re-patriated hundreds of billions, possibly more than a trillion dollars to our economy. Unlike investigations of special council, and Trumps childish tweets and war with the media, those things all have profound effects on the lives of millions of Americans. We are sitting down with North Korea and looking at a possible official end of the Korean conflict which has been in a shaky "cease fire" for more than 6 decades. NK leaders are talking about de-nuclearization. Do you understand the benefits of that? They are staggering. All these "accomplishments" are absolutely unprecidented in American history. So while we argue about kneeling players and taking back of invitations to visit the WH of pro sports teams, the American people are enjoying greater prosperity than we have ever seen. I think our President acts like a clown. And he has the temperament of a 6 year old..........But results don't lie. What folks always fail to realize......the presidency is not about the president.....It's about the country.
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 6, 2018 12:08:37 GMT -5
While I think the absolute dearth of accomplishments speaks for itself, I do not believe that there has been any increase in either respect or fear of the US. In fact, quite the opposite. There may be some small fear due to volatility, ignorance and unpredictability but respect? That ship sailed over a year ago. I have yet to read - since the election - even one world leader indicate any kind of respect whatsoever for this administration and consequently this country. I have seen plenty of ridicule from other world leaders, which to me is the opposite of respect. Dearth of accomplishments? Let me say this first...I did NOT vote for the current president. But to suggest a dearth of accomplishments is nonsense. Since election day....and I mean since the actual evening of the election....the market has been up a staggering amount. That means that pensions, 401K's and IRA's have exploded. Which has allowed millions of Americans to have more security and have the opportunity to lead better lives. The unemployment rate is 3.8%. That is, in economic terms, "full employment". That means millions more Americans have the dignity of work and the ability to have better lives. African American unemployment in the lowest in US history. The economy is growing substantially faster than under either Obama or Bush. Projections are for over 4% growth this year alone. That would reduce the deficit by more than $500B this year alone. That is $500B less our children will be on the hook. All that as a product of a regiment of deregulation and the corportate tax cuts,along with a general friendly attitude towards solid economic principles.... which have re-patriated hundreds of billions, possibly more than a trillion dollars to our economy. Unlike investigations of special council, and Trumps childish tweets and war with the media, those things all have profound effects on the lives of millions of Americans. We are sitting down with North Korea and looking at a possible official end of the Korean conflict which has been in a shaky "cease fire" for more than 6 decades. NK leaders are talking about de-nuclearization. Do you understand the benefits of that? They are staggering. All these "accomplishments" are absolutely unprecidented in American history. So while we argue about kneeling players and taking back of invitations to visit the WH of pro sports teams, the American people are enjoying greater prosperity than we have ever seen. I think our President acts like a clown. And he has the temperament of a 6 year old..........But results don't lie. What folks always fail to realize......the presidency is not about the president.....It's about the country. Very well summarized - the bottom line is some long lingering issues are being corrected, and goals are being set that greatly help the majority. And that is what democracy is about.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 6, 2018 12:14:42 GMT -5
Dearth of accomplishments? Let me say this first...I did NOT vote for the current president. But to suggest a dearth of accomplishments is nonsense. Since election day....and I mean since the actual evening of the election....the market has been up a staggering amount. That means that pensions, 401K's and IRA's have exploded. Which has allowed millions of Americans to have more security and have the opportunity to lead better lives. The unemployment rate is 3.8%. That is, in economic terms, "full employment". That means millions more Americans have the dignity of work and the ability to have better lives. African American unemployment in the lowest in US history. The economy is growing substantially faster than under either Obama or Bush. Projections are for over 4% growth this year alone. That would reduce the deficit by more than $500B this year alone. That is $500B less our children will be on the hook. All that as a product of a regiment of deregulation and the corportate tax cuts,along with a general friendly attitude towards solid economic principles.... which have re-patriated hundreds of billions, possibly more than a trillion dollars to our economy. Unlike investigations of special council, and Trumps childish tweets and war with the media, those things all have profound effects on the lives of millions of Americans. We are sitting down with North Korea and looking at a possible official end of the Korean conflict which has been in a shaky "cease fire" for more than 6 decades. NK leaders are talking about de-nuclearization. Do you understand the benefits of that? They are staggering. All these "accomplishments" are absolutely unprecidented in American history. So while we argue about kneeling players and taking back of invitations to visit the WH of pro sports teams, the American people are enjoying greater prosperity than we have ever seen. I think our President acts like a clown. And he has the temperament of a 6 year old..........But results don't lie. What folks always fail to realize......the presidency is not about the president.....It's about the country. Very well summarized - the bottom line is some long lingering issues are being corrected, and goals are being set that greatly help the majority. And that is what democracy is about. They greatly help everybody. remember what Jack Kennedy said..... "A rising tide lifts all boats". That is why Hispanic and African American unemployment is falling right along with the rest of the country. If you apply sound economic and fiscal policy, despite the optics or politics, everyone will benefit. When you apply a political slant to that policy, to benefit THIS group or THAT group, then everyone loses....PLUS you then sew the seeds of division and resentment.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 6, 2018 14:16:23 GMT -5
While I think the absolute dearth of accomplishments speaks for itself, I do not believe that there has been any increase in either respect or fear of the US. In fact, quite the opposite. There may be some small fear due to volatility, ignorance and unpredictability but respect? That ship sailed over a year ago. I have yet to read - since the election - even one world leader indicate any kind of respect whatsoever for this administration and consequently this country. I have seen plenty of ridicule from other world leaders, which to me is the opposite of respect. Dearth of accomplishments? Let me say this first...I did NOT vote for the current president. But to suggest a dearth of accomplishments is nonsense. Since election day....and I mean since the actual evening of the election....the market has been up a staggering amount. That means that pensions, 401K's and IRA's have exploded. Which has allowed millions of Americans to have more security and have the opportunity to lead better lives. The unemployment rate is 3.8%. That is, in economic terms, "full employment". That means millions more Americans have the dignity of work and the ability to have better lives. African American unemployment in the lowest in US history. The economy is growing substantially faster than under either Obama or Bush. Projections are for over 4% growth this year alone. That would reduce the deficit by more than $500B this year alone. That is $500B less our children will be on the hook. All that as a product of a regiment of deregulation and the corportate tax cuts,along with a general friendly attitude towards solid economic principles.... which have re-patriated hundreds of billions, possibly more than a trillion dollars to our economy. Unlike investigations of special council, and Trumps childish tweets and war with the media, those things all have profound effects on the lives of millions of Americans. We are sitting down with North Korea and looking at a possible official end of the Korean conflict which has been in a shaky "cease fire" for more than 6 decades. NK leaders are talking about de-nuclearization. Do you understand the benefits of that? They are staggering. All these "accomplishments" are absolutely unprecidented in American history. So while we argue about kneeling players and taking back of invitations to visit the WH of pro sports teams, the American people are enjoying greater prosperity than we have ever seen. I think our President acts like a clown. And he has the temperament of a 6 year old..........But results don't lie. What folks always fail to realize......the presidency is not about the president.....It's about the country. I agree completely on the economic growth and employment numbers. It's absolutely fair to categorize the continuation of those trends as accomplishments; you're right. That said, projections for US economic growth are still in the goldilocks economy range of 2%-3%, not 4%. And while I hope there is a plan to reduce the deficit, I haven't seen it. I only saw the spending plan that increases the deficit. I agree a more robust economy would help the deficit, however this would only occur if spending were held fast or reduced neither of which is the case with the president's recently approved tax plan. The NK thing is too ludicrous to dispute. I applaud the administration's desire to continue to prop up that fantasy but NK's history doesn't support that at all. There's nothing unprecedented about their continued posing on the de-nuclearization issue to try to get themselves better economic conditions, they did the exact same thing is 1985, 1992, 1994, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2016. Maybe the president isn't aware of this, unfortunately for him pretty much everyone else on earth and certainly nearly everyone in the US is. I agree that the presidency isn't about the president it's about the country. That's the problem, even with the continued economic growth and declining unemployment the country overall isn't improving, it's becoming even more polarized.
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