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Post by Nite on Apr 12, 2024 17:12:52 GMT -5
His family has meddled in football decisions forever. His brother was a high ranking scout until recently. His nephew has now taken over that role. He may not be meddling, but the football team has looked almost identical for a decade. Someone in there is making the same calls based on the same views. And getting the same results year after year.. |
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 12, 2024 17:17:47 GMT -5
Exactly and he doesn't just own the team, he owns where we've been as a franchise for > a decade. He's a really, really weak CEO. No vision, no strategy, ZERO self awareness, out of touch with his own weaknesses and no clue about where his time is best spent. Otherwise perfect..... The only say fans have, is to participate. Yes, to an extent. But the Maras are making more money every year despite horrible performance for over a decade. I guess it's easy to blame fans for still watching, but part of the problem is that they can't help getting richer in spite of crazy incompetence. Unlike most businesses, failing to compete doesn't affect revenue. A big part of the problem, im MO. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 12, 2024 17:18:55 GMT -5
He is the owner. He can do what he wants. I cannot imagine he has been involved in the football operations as long as he has and him still have "no idea how to run a football team". He'd have to be stupider than your average garden slug to not have a well informed opinion on football operations. With significantly more knowledge and expertise on the subject than any one of us and the media talking heads. From my observation he does not know what questions to ask during the interview process. Interviewing is tough. How to not a be a D##k and still get the information out of the candidate that is needed. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 12, 2024 17:19:52 GMT -5
The only say fans have, is to participate. Yes, to an extent. But the Maras are making more money every year despite horrible performance for over a decade. I guess it's easy to blame fans for still watching, but part of the problem is that they can't help getting richer in spite of crazy incompetence. Unlike most businesses, failing to compete doesn't affect revenue. A big part of the problem, im MO. Good point. |
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 12, 2024 17:27:38 GMT -5
No, that's not how it works. If you "let your PSL go", you get nothing. I guess what Jomo is saying that each year you don't buy tickets you can invest that money and make back the money you used to pay for the PSL. A sunk cost is still a sunk cost. Better to not keep sinking more, but you aren't making it back. Yes, ideally you sell the PSL to someone else who then becomes obligated to buy the season tickets. Unfortunately, the Giants suck and the market for high end PSLs plus tickets is non existent. |
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 12, 2024 17:37:41 GMT -5
some fans seem to forget the NYGs is a family business for the Mara's. Its not some side bar expensive hobby like it is for many owners. For Tisch its more of a side bar hobby. To a degree. Its HIS business. Not a hobby. I agree with he needs to let football people to the football things but at some point he has to and should be involved. They are in the top 5 most successful franchises. I guess the Mara family has done ok over all. The also employ almost 300 people. Explain the "top 5 most successful franchises." Is that money or wins? They can't lose money. But they suck at football. |
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Post by jmike on Apr 12, 2024 17:39:17 GMT -5
I cannot imagine he has been involved in the football operations as long as he has and him still have "no idea how to run a football team". He'd have to be stupider than your average garden slug to not have a well informed opinion on football operations. With significantly more knowledge and expertise on the subject than any one of us and the media talking heads. From my observation he does not know what questions to ask during the interview process. Interviewing is tough. How to not a be a D##k and still get the information out of the candidate that is needed. When have you observed him interviewing a candidate? |
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Post by TEM on Apr 12, 2024 17:50:45 GMT -5
From my observation he does not know what questions to ask during the interview process. Interviewing is tough. How to not a be a D##k and still get the information out of the candidate that is needed. When have you observed him interviewing a candidate? It's the failures that he hired. As it stands now, he is 0 for 4. The 4th is still a big? Logic would dictate (observation) he is not gaining the proper information during the interview process to make a qualitative choice. You do not need to see the process to conclude by the result. The process is flawed. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 12, 2024 17:56:06 GMT -5
The only say fans have, is to participate. ....or to walk away from their PSLs and ticket purchases as I did after TC was fired and JR retained. You aren’t alone. The number of season ticket holders that abandoned their seats has to be a major concern ownership. |
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Post by jmike on Apr 12, 2024 18:00:03 GMT -5
When have you observed him interviewing a candidate? It's the failures that he hired. As it stands now, he is 0 for 4. The 4th is still a big? Logic would dictate (observation) he is not gaining the proper information during the interview process to make a qualitative choice. You do not need to see the process to conclude by the result. The process is flawed. Well the above statement is a completely different one than this one: You would need to see the process to make that statement. I would agree with your now amended statement though. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 12, 2024 18:02:26 GMT -5
It's the failures that he hired. As it stands now, he is 0 for 4. The 4th is still a big? Logic would dictate (observation) he is not gaining the proper information during the interview process to make a qualitative choice. You do not need to see the process to conclude by the result. The process is flawed. Well the above statement is a completely different one than this one: You would need to see the process to make that statement. I would agree with your now amended statement though. It is just semantics. |
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 12, 2024 18:11:40 GMT -5
....or to walk away from their PSLs and ticket purchases as I did after TC was fired and JR retained. You aren’t alone. The number of season ticket holders that abandoned their seats has to be a major concern ownership. Why would the Giants care? They kept your money from the original PSL and swindled charged another buyer. It benefits them more if you "walk away". |
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Post by mendy on Apr 12, 2024 18:21:44 GMT -5
....or to walk away from their PSLs and ticket purchases as I did after TC was fired and JR retained. You aren’t alone. The number of season ticket holders that abandoned their seats has to be a major concern ownership. The Giants still sell out, I don't think it matters. |
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Post by SG88 on Apr 12, 2024 19:26:22 GMT -5
Meddling accusations and nepotism are two front office mainstays in the NYG organization.
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Post by jaymas on Apr 12, 2024 20:00:36 GMT -5
Just thought it was interesting that according to one of the team sources that spoke to Vacchiano that Mara was aware that people believe he meddles in football decisions which is why he won’t get involved in whatever decision they come to in regards to Daniel Jones even though he still believes in him. Wellington was beloved, but screwed the team over by not getting a GM until '79. (He was forced to by Rozelle). Then we returned to respectability. John has also got to STFU and keep his football opinions to himself. The Mara's own a football team... they don't know how to run that team... just sign the employees checks and leave the football decisions to Schoen and Dabol. John stayed out of Accorsi's hair but certainly controlled Reese. I don't know if John influenced DG, but the decisions made in the draft and free agency were inept in his time, and smacked of John's inadequacy in football decisions. Source says the perception he meddles is unfair...you rant about how he does, interesting. That meddling with Reese sure was awesome then, two Superbowls, ya know? |
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 12, 2024 20:55:49 GMT -5
You aren’t alone. The number of season ticket holders that abandoned their seats has to be a major concern ownership. Why would the Giants care? They kept your money from the original PSL and swindled charged another buyer. It benefits them more if you "walk away".
You're assuming they are swindling other buyers while there's a secondary PSL market available that sells them at a discount. I know because I did it.
So if people are smart enough to purchase PSL's on the secondary market, the Giants are sitting with a load of tickets that are not being sold. And that has been their reality for many years.
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 12, 2024 20:56:45 GMT -5
I cannot imagine he has been involved in the football operations as long as he has and him still have "no idea how to run a football team". He'd have to be stupider than your average garden slug to not have a well informed opinion on football operations. With significantly more knowledge and expertise on the subject than any one of us and the media talking heads. From my observation he does not know what questions to ask during the interview process. Interviewing is tough. How to not a be a D##k and still get the information out of the candidate that is needed. One of the more accurate points made on these boards in some time. This is advanced management stuff, despite what we think of Reese and Judge and Gettleman, none of them are dumb. It’s really hard to be able to pull predictive information out of someone trying to get hired when they have talent. And no one gets to that level without talent. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 12, 2024 20:59:49 GMT -5
You aren’t alone. The number of season ticket holders that abandoned their seats has to be a major concern ownership. The Giants still sell out, I don't think it matters.
That is simply not true. The Giants have never sold out Met Life of season tickets and there are tickets available throughout every section of the stadium, including the suites.
When MetLife opened, they sold out of all their "regular" seats, but not their club seats. Now, like I said, you can buy seats everywhere and you can even buy tickets to single games.
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Post by Zimonami on Apr 12, 2024 21:39:02 GMT -5
Wellington was beloved, but screwed the team over by not getting a GM until '79. (He was forced to by Rozelle). Then we returned to respectability. John has also got to STFU and keep his football opinions to himself. The Mara's own a football team... they don't know how to run that team... just sign the employees checks and leave the football decisions to Schoen and Dabol. John stayed out of Accorsi's hair but certainly controlled Reese. I don't know if John influenced DG, but the decisions made in the draft and free agency were inept in his time, and smacked of John's inadequacy in football decisions. Source says the perception he meddles is unfair...you rant about how he does, interesting. That meddling with Reese sure was awesome then, two Superbowls, ya know? The first one was the team Accorsi put together. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 12, 2024 21:44:52 GMT -5
Thats not meddling his GM is trying to push the contract over the finish line that is support it's meddling when he says you need to sign this kid or it's your ass. I agree on the GM part John Mara has missed with DG and also dumping TC but keeping Reese just to give him all the free agent bucks he needed to fix some of the terrible draft damage. If Mara was guilty of anything it was standing by and letting feeling get in the way of business not firing everyone back in 2015 then hiring old stand by DG it's not what he makes them do it's what he didn't do than went over the top hiring and firing coaches. The owner saying "We want Daniel Jones here" is not meddling. They were already in the middle of negotiations, of course they want him here. Mara is the one paying the contract, he can chime in to show public support for the QB. Exactly he was just doing his part to get negotiation moving and finished owners do this yes not just Mara. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 12, 2024 21:48:44 GMT -5
He said he is behind them if they want to draft a QB he has 0 issue if they love one draft one Barkley he wanted as a Giant for life but he let his GM do his job if Schoen was worried fortis Job SQB would be here right now. I read what he said Dog and I don’t think you can compare Barkley’s situation to Jones. I still think Mara should keep his yapper shut about his opinions and just say “I support whatever the man I hired to do, Joe Schoen, does”. Mara may very well mean nothing by it but he’s aware of what a lot of people think and he continues to give them more ammo. I’m not saying Mara is directly involved but even small comments like this can imply he does. If I was hired to do a job, I don’t want my boss giving me (or anyone) his opinion unless I ask for it or my job depends on it. Maybe that’s just me but I’d be lying if I said it wouldn’t mess with my head a bit and I really do think if Schoen stuck with Jones and he sucked for his 6th year in a row, that would buy Schoen at least 2 more years to draft and develop a QB whereas if he drafts one now, the clock is already ticking. I get how people see it but there is really no proof that he meddles or anyone has they let the guys do their jobs. |
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Post by mendy on Apr 12, 2024 22:20:37 GMT -5
The Giants still sell out, I don't think it matters.
That is simply not true. The Giants have never sold out Met Life of season tickets and there are tickets available throughout every section of the stadium, including the suites.
When MetLife opened, they sold out of all their "regular" seats, but not their club seats. Now, like I said, you can buy seats everywhere and you can even buy tickets to single games.
Yes you can but those are seats for sale by ticket holders or tickets sold back to the Giants. |
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Post by mendy on Apr 12, 2024 22:22:02 GMT -5
Source says the perception he meddles is unfair...you rant about how he does, interesting. That meddling with Reese sure was awesome then, two Superbowls, ya know? The first one was the team. Accorsi put together. First and second were George Young IMO the third one was and IMO so was the 4th one and 5th. Reese contribution was to not screw it up. |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 12, 2024 22:51:49 GMT -5
Source says the perception he meddles is unfair...you rant about how he does, interesting. That meddling with Reese sure was awesome then, two Superbowls, ya know? The first one was the team Accorsi put together. 🙄🙄🙄 yup Reese didn't run the draft room or lead the scouts as director of player personnel or anything. Simply uninvolved. Nor did he stick with Coughlin, nor did he hit on the 2007 draft class, or sign Kawika Mitchell, or go with Diehl vs. over paying for a LT to replace Luke Petigout (or resign Luke). Also totally discounts everything else a GM does when they take the role on, like run all of ops...for a championship squad. The downplaying of Jerry Reese on here will never cease to amaze me and somehow we're connecting this to "Mara meddling." What's super funny is one of the only documented cases with real evidence this century of Giants ownership meddling is the fact that Tom Coughlin was not Accorsi's first choice for head coach. But he was Wellington's and Accorsi backed down. Could you imagine if John Mara did that? |
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 12, 2024 22:56:25 GMT -5
That is simply not true. The Giants have never sold out Met Life of season tickets and there are tickets available throughout every section of the stadium, including the suites.
When MetLife opened, they sold out of all their "regular" seats, but not their club seats. Now, like I said, you can buy seats everywhere and you can even buy tickets to single games.
Yes you can but those are seats for sale by ticket holders or tickets sold back to the Giants. Giants season ticket holders are able to sell their tickets via Ticketmaster and their PSL’s through The Marketplace in association with the Giants. As far as I know, tickets bought directly through the Giants ticket office are from fans that gave up their tickets. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 13, 2024 12:08:37 GMT -5
That is simply not true. The Giants have never sold out Met Life of season tickets and there are tickets available throughout every section of the stadium, including the suites.
When MetLife opened, they sold out of all their "regular" seats, but not their club seats. Now, like I said, you can buy seats everywhere and you can even buy tickets to single games.
Yes you can but those are seats for sale by ticket holders or tickets sold back to the Giants. You’re telling us that the Giants buy tickets back? That’s news to me as I requested that back in 2018 and my request was ignored. Based on your information, I was discriminated against by the Giants. |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 13, 2024 12:14:20 GMT -5
some fans seem to forget the NYGs is a family business for the Mara's. Its not some side bar expensive hobby like it is for many owners. For Tisch its more of a side bar hobby. To a degree. Its HIS business. Not a hobby. I agree with he needs to let football people to the football things but at some point he has to and should be involved. They are in the top 5 most successful franchises. I guess the Mara family has done ok over all. The also employ almost 300 people. Explain the "top 5 most successful franchises." Is that money or wins? They can't lose money. But they suck at football. not sure what the context was but they are top 3 in SB wins. Cant take that lightly. |
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 13, 2024 13:24:43 GMT -5
Explain the "top 5 most successful franchises." Is that money or wins? They can't lose money. But they suck at football. not sure what the context was but they are top 3 in SB wins. Cant take that lightly. True. But the times between have been pretty bad. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 13, 2024 13:58:57 GMT -5
not sure what the context was but they are top 3 in SB wins. Cant take that lightly. True. But the times between have been pretty bad. Tell that to the Niners and Cowboys. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 13, 2024 16:01:03 GMT -5
True. But the times between have been pretty bad. Tell that to the Niners and Cowboys. But those teams compete and have hope. Sure there is heartbreak yet they aren’t going on a decade plus of having 90% of their seasons over by October. |
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