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Post by nyg2 on Apr 26, 2024 17:22:57 GMT -5
If Albert Breer’s reporting is accurate that’s got to be one of the dumbest reason I’ve heard for taking a QB. You take a QB because YOU believe in him and believe in YOUR ability to develop him, you don’t take a QB because OTHER TEAMS are interested in him.
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Post by jaymas on Apr 26, 2024 17:27:56 GMT -5
I think it's more just underscoring the respect people have for O'Connell and Fans as quarterback evaluators and developers.
Pats needing a QB was always gonna be the toughest thing.
Let's hope DJ can develop a chip on his shoulder and find some skills and make the desire to do this a moot point.
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Post by te88 on Apr 26, 2024 17:32:10 GMT -5
The takeaway is that Minnesota offered 3 1st round picks and there was no interest from NE. There is no chance they were not going to take Maye. As they should have.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 26, 2024 17:34:24 GMT -5
If true, ridiculous offer.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 26, 2024 17:39:39 GMT -5
By not adding in both the 25 and 26 1st Rounders proves the Giants are sold on Jones
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 26, 2024 17:43:32 GMT -5
I think it's more just underscoring the respect people have for O'Connell and Fans as quarterback evaluators and developers. Pats needing a QB was always gonna be the toughest thing. Let's hope DJ can develop a chip on his shoulder and find some skills and make the desire to do this a moot point. The only chip he has on his shoulder is the paint chips he has been eating over the years.. Need motivation Jones.. The Giants wanted so desperately to replace your ass. If not for New England having another Jones, we would have been welcoming a new gun slinger to town. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 26, 2024 18:11:53 GMT -5
By not adding in both the 25 and 26 1st Rounders proves the Giants are sold on Jones Jones is trash, they should have offered their next 10 first round picks to get away from him. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 26, 2024 18:12:34 GMT -5
I think it's more just underscoring the respect people have for O'Connell and Fans as quarterback evaluators and developers. Pats needing a QB was always gonna be the toughest thing. Let's hope DJ can develop a chip on his shoulder and find some skills and make the desire to do this a moot point. The only chip he has on his shoulder is the paint chips he has been eating over the years.. Need motivation Jones.. The Giants wanted so desperately to replace your ass. If not for New England having another Jones, we would have been welcoming a new gun slinger to town. I doubt it. |
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 26, 2024 18:37:59 GMT -5
If Albert Breer’s reporting is accurate that’s got to be one of the dumbest reason I’ve heard for taking a QB. You take a QB because YOU believe in him and believe in YOUR ability to develop him, you don’t take a QB because OTHER TEAMS are interested in him. . I don’t think that’s the only reason they took him. But GMs are fully aware that 1st rd QBs don’t turn out most of the time. If other teams are calling it’s validating that they’re offering big capital for the player you already like. The other media report that came out was within 24 hours of the draft the Patriots were signalling to teams calling that they’d be taking the pick. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 26, 2024 18:50:20 GMT -5
If Albert Breer’s reporting is accurate that’s got to be one of the dumbest reason I’ve heard for taking a QB. You take a QB because YOU believe in him and believe in YOUR ability to develop him, you don’t take a QB because OTHER TEAMS are interested in him. Joe Schoen, should have sweetened the deal with giving Kraft a coupon book full of free Rubs at Miss T's Emporium of Massage and scalp treatments. |
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Post by hadenough on Apr 26, 2024 18:53:46 GMT -5
Good work Patriots…you saved us.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 26, 2024 19:02:10 GMT -5
If Albert Breer’s reporting is accurate that’s got to be one of the dumbest reason I’ve heard for taking a QB. You take a QB because YOU believe in him and believe in YOUR ability to develop him, you don’t take a QB because OTHER TEAMS are interested in him. Well, Kraft and his son are running the team now. |
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Post by Analyst on Apr 26, 2024 19:19:51 GMT -5
If they believed in him, he would be a Giant. You can't half ass it. Offer something the Pats can't refuse.
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Post by SG88 on Apr 26, 2024 19:43:18 GMT -5
By not adding in both the 25 and 26 1st Rounders proves the Giants are sold on Jones IMO, being sold on 8 is gonna have them updating their resumes at the end of next season, especially if they don't walk out of here with a QB to develop which could be ready to play in 2025. |
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Post by SG88 on Apr 26, 2024 19:44:48 GMT -5
If Albert Breer’s reporting is accurate that’s got to be one of the dumbest reason I’ve heard for taking a QB. You take a QB because YOU believe in him and believe in YOUR ability to develop him, you don’t take a QB because OTHER TEAMS are interested in him. Joe Schoen, should have sweetened the deal with giving Kraft a coupon book full of free Rubs at Miss T's Emporium of Massage and scalp treatments. If they would have thrown in a lifetime supply of medium Pepsi soft drinks, that would have been enough to seal the deal. |
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Post by SG88 on Apr 26, 2024 19:46:38 GMT -5
By not adding in both the 25 and 26 1st Rounders proves the Giants are sold on Jones Jones is trash, they should have offered their next 10 first round picks to get away from him. 8 is 🗑, but giving up that many first rounders would be felonious. Lol |
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Post by SG88 on Apr 26, 2024 19:57:18 GMT -5
Why do I feel like the Giants leaked this out to save face in case they don't walk out of the draft with a QB? Just a feeling......
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 27, 2024 19:08:02 GMT -5
Jones is trash, they should have offered their next 10 first round picks to get away from him. 8 is 🗑, but giving up that many first rounders would be felonious. Lol Well the HC and GM like him enough to offer him $40m a year and skip on a bunch of QBs in the "Greatest QB draft ever". |
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Post by SG88 on Apr 27, 2024 19:17:45 GMT -5
8 is 🗑, but giving up that many first rounders would be felonious. Lol Well the HC and GM like him enough to offer him $40m a year and skip on a bunch of QBs in the "Greatest QB draft ever". The QB draft gets overrated every single season. I still remember EJ Manuel being a can't miss prospect. I also know about the next John Elway in JaMarcus Russell. I honestly don't care who they have at QB. Just get it right. The Giants have not gotten it right in their transition from Eli Manning. 5 years is a large enough body of work to tell. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 27, 2024 19:21:50 GMT -5
Well the HC and GM like him enough to offer him $40m a year and skip on a bunch of QBs in the "Greatest QB draft ever". The QB draft gets overrated every single season. I still remember EJ Manuel being a can't miss prospect. I also know about the next John Elway in JaMarcus Russell. I honestly don't care who they have at QB. Just get it right. The Giants have not gotten it right in their transition from Eli Manning. 5 years is a large enough body of work to tell. The bigger issue is that the Giants haven't gotten much right in the last decade. Jones isn't our biggest problem and I don't think any QB in this draft was overcoming our real issues anyway. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 27, 2024 20:07:41 GMT -5
By not adding in both the 25 and 26 1st Rounders proves the Giants are sold on Jones God help us. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 28, 2024 8:42:00 GMT -5
By not adding in both the 25 and 26 1st Rounders proves the Giants are sold on Jones Jones is trash, they should have offered their next 10 first round picks to get away from him. First 3 words were correct then you tried an attempt to be cute - didn’t work. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2024 10:36:44 GMT -5
If Albert Breer’s reporting is accurate that’s got to be one of the dumbest reason I’ve heard for taking a QB. You take a QB because YOU believe in him and believe in YOUR ability to develop him, you don’t take a QB because OTHER TEAMS are interested in him. . I don’t think that’s the only reason they took him. But GMs are fully aware that 1st rd QBs don’t turn out most of the time. If other teams are calling it’s validating that they’re offering big capital for the player you already like. The other media report that came out was within 24 hours of the draft the Patriots were signalling to teams calling that they’d be taking the pick. It helps that Daboll and OConnell have had some success bringing QBs along but yes the Bears and Washington were closed NE did the right thing listened but stuck, they confirmed there was 0 amount that was enough. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2024 10:44:23 GMT -5
Well the HC and GM like him enough to offer him $40m a year and skip on a bunch of QBs in the "Greatest QB draft ever". The QB draft gets overrated every single season. I still remember EJ Manuel being a can't miss prospect. I also know about the next John Elway in JaMarcus Russell. I honestly don't care who they have at QB. Just get it right. The Giants have not gotten it right in their transition from Eli Manning. 5 years is a large enough body of work to tell. Actually they botched the 6 years before Eli called it quits wrecking the 2nd half of his career there was a lot of damage done by the Giants for Schoen to correct, every GM makes mistakes for him to fix what the others did in 2 or 3 years is a nuts. 10 years plus of roster mismanagement and bad drafts ain't going away in 2 or 3 drafts his first class hasn't even seen the start of their 3rd campaign think maybe just getting the roster ready to compete isn't a bad thing. |
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Post by SG88 on Apr 28, 2024 10:51:35 GMT -5
The QB draft gets overrated every single season. I still remember EJ Manuel being a can't miss prospect. I also know about the next John Elway in JaMarcus Russell. I honestly don't care who they have at QB. Just get it right. The Giants have not gotten it right in their transition from Eli Manning. 5 years is a large enough body of work to tell. Actually they botched the 6 years before Eli called it quits wrecking the 2nd half of his career there was a lot of damage done by the Giants for Schoen to correct, every GM makes mistakes for him to fix what the others did in 2 or 3 years is a nuts. 10 years plus of roster mismanagement and bad drafts ain't going away in 2 or 3 drafts his first class hasn't even seen the start of their 3rd campaign think maybe just getting the roster ready to compete isn't a bad thing. I would say that combination of keeping Manning a few years too long, whiffing on his replacement, the HC turnstile that this team has been since TC retired, hiring Dave Gettleman and the inability to develop even a mediocre oline group has obliterated this once great franchise. It appears unstable and chaotic. We might not be exactly on the same page, but we are certainly in the same section of the ballpark if that makes sense. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2024 10:53:23 GMT -5
Why do I feel like the Giants leaked this out to save face in case they don't walk out of the draft with a QB? Just a feeling...... In hind sight they had a chance of there pick of 4 through 7 they did not have enough conviction in those player to make them the 6th pick and probably felt #1 to much over lap with jones contract #2 The roster has more holes than miss cheese #3 Did not have any of these QBs in Nabors Hemisphere as far as value goes, if they drafted a QB he would have dealt with no #1 and a incomplete roster. I can't say to was right or wrong I wanted a QB but was prepared for them to do what they did, building on the defense and getting an elite prospect to play catch with who ever they put behind center. |
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Post by krappdetector on Apr 28, 2024 10:56:05 GMT -5
I think it's more just underscoring the respect people have for O'Connell and Fans as quarterback evaluators and developers. Pats needing a QB was always gonna be the toughest thing. Let's hope DJ can develop a chip on his shoulder and find some skills and make the desire to do this a moot point. I am done hoping. They have 6.. SIX games to show me if they are remotely competitive, i.e. go 3-3. Otherwise next year could be the most painful one in recent memory as all 'hopium' wears off and we're looking at a brutal stretch of meaningless, chaotic and depressing contests. If that happens we should trade for and play Zack Wilson immediately! |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2024 11:04:02 GMT -5
Actually they botched the 6 years before Eli called it quits wrecking the 2nd half of his career there was a lot of damage done by the Giants for Schoen to correct, every GM makes mistakes for him to fix what the others did in 2 or 3 years is a nuts. 10 years plus of roster mismanagement and bad drafts ain't going away in 2 or 3 drafts his first class hasn't even seen the start of their 3rd campaign think maybe just getting the roster ready to compete isn't a bad thing. I would say that combination of keeping Manning a few years too long, whiffing on his replacement, the HC turnstile that this team has been since TC retired, hiring Dave Gettleman and the inability to develop even a mediocre oline group has obliterated this once great franchise. It appears unstable and chaotic. We might not be exactly on the same page, but we are certainly in the same section of the ballpark if that makes sense. What makes it worse is what you say is spot on and what I say is spot on 2 differnt 6 year windows of roster destruction. They were floundering in the front office with drafts well before the wheels fell off when the prime of those drafted 2002 through 2007 ran there course. there was no body left but Eli they squeezed 2011 out of that OL and DL along with a few good picks and good freeagnt pickups. when I look back I would trade that away for what we have now 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. When the Roster is solid Schoen will have the luxury of stockpiling picks and letting his guys walk for cap purposes and getting comp picks till then it is give some away like SQB and take a little back like the OLs we signed and the trade for Burns re aranging the money by position. |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 28, 2024 16:34:44 GMT -5
I think it's more just underscoring the respect people have for O'Connell and Fans as quarterback evaluators and developers. Pats needing a QB was always gonna be the toughest thing. Let's hope DJ can develop a chip on his shoulder and find some skills and make the desire to do this a moot point. I am done hoping. They have 6.. SIX games to show me if they are remotely competitive, i.e. go 3-3. Otherwise next year could be the most painful one in recent memory as all 'hopium' wears off and we're looking at a brutal stretch of meaningless, chaotic and depressing contests. If that happens we should trade for and play Zack Wilson immediately! I mean, I don't want to either, but it's all we can do. Zach Wilson? Definitively worse QB than Daniel Jones haha |
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Post by krappdetector on Apr 28, 2024 20:15:09 GMT -5
I am done hoping. They have 6.. SIX games to show me if they are remotely competitive, i.e. go 3-3. Otherwise next year could be the most painful one in recent memory as all 'hopium' wears off and we're looking at a brutal stretch of meaningless, chaotic and depressing contests. If that happens we should trade for and play Zack Wilson immediately! I mean, I don't want to either, but it's all we can do. Zach Wilson? Definitively worse QB than Daniel Jones haha I know, I know.. I'm not a DJ hater, I'm really not. I'm simply exhausted. I used to make up fantasy plays in my head before each game of long TDs, amazing game-winning drives, ballistic missile passes... BLOWOUTS even! I refuse to entertain such irrational, harmful thoughts any longer. |
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