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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 28, 2024 21:55:55 GMT -5
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 28, 2024 22:37:19 GMT -5
I thought it was a good presser. I particularly liked shoen saying they don't have a "scheme" they will force players into, instead they will see what players can do well and adjust to that. I think the Giants historically have done the opposite and been slow to change based on the talent they had. |
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Post by scoostraw on Apr 28, 2024 22:46:12 GMT -5
This is why I still have hope.
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 29, 2024 0:35:17 GMT -5
Seems like a good dude and a smart MFer...but how dumb do you have to be to gamble your career and dream job on Daniel Jones? He didn't just double-down...he tripled-down on a NFL backup. If he survives this, he has to have some incriminating pics of Mara.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 29, 2024 0:58:23 GMT -5
Seems like a good dude and a smart MFer...but how dumb do you have to be to gamble your career and dream job on Daniel Jones? He didn't just double-down...he tripled-down on a NFL backup. If he survives this, he has to have some incriminating pics of Mara. You do know they tried to trade up for a QB, right? And other teams offered even more and were also turned down. Given that, what do you expect him to say? Jeeze 😞 |
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 29, 2024 4:43:27 GMT -5
Seems like a good dude and a smart MFer...but how dumb do you have to be to gamble your career and dream job on Daniel Jones? He didn't just double-down...he tripled-down on a NFL backup. If he survives this, he has to have some incriminating pics of Mara. You do know they tried to trade up for a QB, right? And other teams offered even more and were also turned down. Given that, what do you expect him to say? Jeeze 😞 Coulda, shoulda, woulda...He's the GM of the NY Giants, and barring a miracle, Daniel Jones is HIS quarterback going into the 2024 season. I completely believe he wanted to move off DJ...but he didn't find a way to make it happen, that's on him. All he had to do was tag DJ, last year, and this is a moot point. There's no excuse for the injury clause that will most likely cost the Giants more, in this stupid contract, either. Schoen is tied to DJ...and it will likely cost him his job. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 29, 2024 6:14:08 GMT -5
I like Shoen, don't necessarily agree with everything he's done, but generally, I like the direction he has the team moving towards. I'll stay glass half full going into the off season work outs...
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Post by hadenough on Apr 29, 2024 6:20:39 GMT -5
He seems like a good guy…but is he good?
There was a line he gave when he got hired that made me cringe….went something like this….‘we’ll use analytics, nobody has a magic eye.’
Uhh…yeah some do.
So far, he’s like all the other Giants GMs. He smashes the Giants against the cap and the draft picks have been nothing better than average.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 29, 2024 6:28:57 GMT -5
Seems like a good dude and a smart MFer...but how dumb do you have to be to gamble your career and dream job on Daniel Jones? He didn't just double-down...he tripled-down on a NFL backup. If he survives this, he has to have some incriminating pics of Mara. I don't he is gambling he ran this offseason like they have a plan that the organization from top to bottom is bought into they are gonna execute the plan over years not 2 years or 3 years his first class hasn't sniffed the grass of their 3rd year. He is operating like a gM thats not drafting any QB just to draft 1 hoping for a couple more years he drafted like when they do it its gonna be with a guy that they have complete belief in the talent they have. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 29, 2024 6:32:53 GMT -5
I think he is building a culture it is early in this plan he has 3 drafts in the books the first has 2years onto field the second has 1 it is crazy people thinking he is going somewhere he works with confidence from my point of view I like hope he is here long term |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 29, 2024 6:45:54 GMT -5
should've been them lol..... but how can you not like Schoen when you can hear and see and get a feel that his football knowledge, IQ, and vision is on par with todays game where Getty's seemed old and outdated lol. From Daboll to Judge and some of the previous guys I'd say the same thing and they definitely are on the same page the GM and coach as far as their fb knowledge, IQ, and vision. I think we will look and play very very different football this year win or lose. We will not be a shit show this year.... |
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Apr 29, 2024 7:24:15 GMT -5
I thought this was gonna be about Billy Joel.....
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 29, 2024 7:35:16 GMT -5
This is what I expect from Joe. He’s a cerebral GM and has a process.
As a fan I like hearing that they’re trying to take the players strengths into consideration when compiling the playbook.
I think they’re more excited about Theo than I realized.
They moved around a bit last year, this year they stuck to their position and their board.
I’m more optimistic about the o line than I have been in years. New coach, 2nd year for JMS, and couple new players that were starters on better teams than us.
Just the style of play for the offence will be dramatically different if the line is what they’re hoping it will be.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 29, 2024 7:38:34 GMT -5
I thought this was gonna be about Billy Joel..... I thought it was going to be about Seinfeld |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 29, 2024 7:54:36 GMT -5
I take it with a grain of salt. Especially when certain posters rave about a guy you know the end might be closer than further. I remember when Judge was hired and people were saying how much football IQ he had as Bellicheks protege. He could do no wrong. 2 years and people turned on him all that Football IQ he had just vanished. I don't think fans know much except what they remember from thier favorite football talking heads. I doubt posters can get on tha same page on the definition of Football IQ except "hey that guy said something cool look at his Football IQ."
I would love to see results. So far Daboll proved he can coach in 22 when everything lined up. Schoen still has to prove he can build a roster. They both got to figure out how to keep people healthy or have better rotational players so we don't suck so bad when players get injured. 3 years of player turnover . It is all Schoen's guys now that the old contracts are gone. This season will tell a lot about Schoen. I am glad that they figured out Bobby Johnson sucked so that is a step in the right direction. Schoen is still learning how to be a GM. He is still learning on the job.I am hopin this might be this breakout year too.
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Post by sickntired on Apr 29, 2024 8:03:50 GMT -5
You do know they tried to trade up for a QB, right? And other teams offered even more and were also turned down. Given that, what do you expect him to say? Jeeze 😞 Coulda, shoulda, woulda...He's the GM of the NY Giants, and barring a miracle, Daniel Jones is HIS quarterback going into the 2024 season. I completely believe he wanted to move off DJ...but he didn't find a way to make it happen, that's on him. All he had to do was tag DJ, last year, and this is a moot point. There's no excuse for the injury clause that will most likely cost the Giants more, in this stupid contract, either. Schoen is tied to DJ...and it will likely cost him his job. Nope….I’d bet the house that he wasn’t solely committed to letting Jones go. He would have done something much sooner concerning Russell Wilson and whatnot. Letting go of Jones was likely thought of, but not a final outcome. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2024 8:13:10 GMT -5
I thought Acorsi and Jerry Reese were likable too.
Accori realized you can never have enough pass rushers and built a power house
Reese lost his way by going to heavy with the skill. I also think he was a victim of Eli love within the org or would have gone Qb earlier
Gettleman was a disaster and wasn’t here long enough to upseed Matt Millen as the worst GM ever
Schoen - we’re not the Bills. Cleaning up a Gettleman mess yet he’s created a bit of a mess on his own with Neal floundering, Waller a waste, already a change at DC.
Improving the pass rush is a plus and I don’t blame him for Jones. I do like he said “we’re not two players away” so at least he’s honest.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 29, 2024 9:08:13 GMT -5
I thought Acorsi and Jerry Reese were likable too. Accori realized you can never have enough pass rushers and built a power house Reese lost his way by going to heavy with the skill. I also think he was a victim of Eli love within the org or would have gone Qb earlier Gettleman was a disaster and wasn’t here long enough to upseed Matt Millen as the worst GM ever Schoen - we’re not the Bills. Cleaning up a Gettleman mess yet he’s created a bit of a mess on his own with Neal floundering, Waller a waste, already a change at DC. Improving the pass rush is a plus and I don’t blame him for Jones. I do like he said “we’re not two players away” so at least he’s honest. I agree on this we have been much worse Reese had a string of terrible drafts and DG his work speaks for it's self the best GMs wiff on top 5 picks first rounders and make mistakes Howie does all the time it is what he does about it that makes him good. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 29, 2024 10:30:02 GMT -5
Seems like a good dude and a smart MFer...but how dumb do you have to be to gamble your career and dream job on Daniel Jones? He didn't just double-down...he tripled-down on a NFL backup. If he survives this, he has to have some incriminating pics of Mara. I don't he is gambling he ran this offseason like they have a plan that the organization from top to bottom is bought into they are gonna execute the plan over years not 2 years or 3 years his first class hasn't sniffed the grass of their 3rd year. He is operating like a gM thats not drafting any QB just to draft 1 hoping for a couple more years he drafted like when they do it its gonna be with a guy that they have complete belief in the talent they have. What's the plan? How long does this plan take to materialize? It's year 3, how many wins are you expecting/predicting? Is this a playoff team? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 29, 2024 10:40:50 GMT -5
I don't he is gambling he ran this offseason like they have a plan that the organization from top to bottom is bought into they are gonna execute the plan over years not 2 years or 3 years his first class hasn't sniffed the grass of their 3rd year. He is operating like a gM thats not drafting any QB just to draft 1 hoping for a couple more years he drafted like when they do it its gonna be with a guy that they have complete belief in the talent they have. What's the plan? How long does this plan take to materialize? It's year 3, how many wins are you expecting/predicting? Is this a playoff team? Players take 2 to 4 years to develop they will know more at the end of year 4 or 5 the plan is to build through the draft they have revamped WR and DB ILB TE and OLB still working on the OL they can use a little help at DT but still have young late round guys in Davidson and Riley to go with Dexter. I'm expecting 7-9 wins depending on health and how long it takes the new pieces at OL and WR / RB to gell next year playoff contention. I'm glad they didn't reach and draft a QB just to draft 1. |
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Post by mendy on Apr 29, 2024 11:07:49 GMT -5
These two guys are not stupid. There is a process and I understand we fans have been waiting a long time but these guys need time to wright a ship that has been lower then the Titanic for a while. I believe last year was the perfect storm and that we will see more of what we saw in year one, I just honestly believe that. |
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Post by idkaname on Apr 29, 2024 11:29:39 GMT -5
Seems like a good dude and a smart MFer...but how dumb do you have to be to gamble your career and dream job on Daniel Jones? He didn't just double-down...he tripled-down on a NFL backup. If he survives this, he has to have some incriminating pics of Mara. You bring too many feelings into a mans sport. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 29, 2024 11:49:42 GMT -5
I don't he is gambling he ran this offseason like they have a plan that the organization from top to bottom is bought into they are gonna execute the plan over years not 2 years or 3 years his first class hasn't sniffed the grass of their 3rd year. He is operating like a gM thats not drafting any QB just to draft 1 hoping for a couple more years he drafted like when they do it its gonna be with a guy that they have complete belief in the talent they have. What's the plan? How long does this plan take to materialize? It's year 3, how many wins are you expecting/predicting? Is this a playoff team? They should be a playoff team this season especially with the extra spot they added. If they were competing against in the AFC I would say no chance for playoffs. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 29, 2024 11:51:18 GMT -5
Seems like a good dude and a smart MFer...but how dumb do you have to be to gamble your career and dream job on Daniel Jones? He didn't just double-down...he tripled-down on a NFL backup. If he survives this, he has to have some incriminating pics of Mara. You bring too many feelings into a mans sport. Interest way to view his responses. I'm still trying to figure out the triple down and why it's an issue. |
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Post by idkaname on Apr 29, 2024 11:59:36 GMT -5
You bring too many feelings into a mans sport. Interest way to view his responses. I'm still trying to figure out the triple down and why it's an issue. I view it like that because that's his emotions, he doesn't like Jones - as a person Moreso than as a player, as is the case with most |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 29, 2024 12:05:16 GMT -5
Seems like a good dude and a smart MFer...but how dumb do you have to be to gamble your career and dream job on Daniel Jones? He didn't just double-down...he tripled-down on a NFL backup. If he survives this, he has to have some incriminating pics of Mara. he's smart.......but he's not make up your mind I am down on DJ too but they know what is at stake. Who knows what deal they have with Mara too, Schoen and Dabs may have a 5 year agreement no matter what. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 29, 2024 19:26:08 GMT -5
Interest way to view his responses. I'm still trying to figure out the triple down and why it's an issue. I view it like that because that's his emotions, he doesn't like Jones - as a person Moreso than as a player, as is the case with most Fans who say stupid stuff like this kill me. How would any fan not like DJ as a person? I don't hate DJ at all, I just hate the offense my favorite team has to run to make him successful. He's just not a good passing QB in a heavily weighted passing era of the NFL. Also, I'm dead inside, no emotions!  |
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Post by idkaname on Apr 30, 2024 11:44:28 GMT -5
I view it like that because that's his emotions, he doesn't like Jones - as a person Moreso than as a player, as is the case with most Fans who say stupid stuff like this kill me. How would any fan not like DJ as a person? I don't hate DJ at all, I just hate the offense my favorite team has to run to make him successful. He's just not a good passing QB in a heavily weighted passing era of the NFL. Also, I'm dead inside, no emotions!   |
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