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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2024 20:37:14 GMT -5
lol, what? Taking off pads will make it safer? How about eliminating the contact which would make more sense than taking off the protection during contract? Yes. No helmets and less pads would lead to far less injuries. A skullcap is all that is required. They would have to learn to play differently, and that’s the problem. The NFL is what it is now and you can’t really make it safe. When NFL players don’t have their heads encased in a bowling ball, they will be much less likely to throw them around and put them in harms way. This is why in a sport like Rugby, for example, you don’t see guys leading with their head or “launching” themselves in unprotected positions. You actually have to tackle and bring a guy down with strength. In a scrum you can’t start off your engagement by headbutting the other guy in the face or chest (what OL and DL do to each other on practically every snap). So go invent a new game b/c for all the reasons I already mentioned, this doesn’t make sense. You’re going to get somebody killed
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Post by Providence on Apr 30, 2024 9:40:22 GMT -5
Why would anyone be bothered by this? They're still playing the same sport, they won't be any slower or any weaker, they won't be any less able to do their job. They'll simply have an extra layer of protection. I don't see the problem. I'm not bothered by it. If the players want to wear them in games, I say go for it. Makes no difference to me. Just nobody start crying when we see a significant uptick in serious neck injuries. Why would this create an uptick in serious neck injuries? Is there evidence out there to suggest as much?
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Post by jimmieray on Apr 30, 2024 11:20:40 GMT -5
I'm not bothered by it. If the players want to wear them in games, I say go for it. Makes no difference to me. Just nobody start crying when we see a significant uptick in serious neck injuries. Why would this create an uptick in serious neck injuries? Is there evidence out there to suggest as much? Jenn previously posted about "interaction friction". That could be helmet to helmet, or helmet to ground. Those prongs could very well get stuck in the ground, while the player is rolling over or getting piled on. We've all seen what happens when cleats get stuck in the ground and the leg gets rolled over.
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Post by jmike on Apr 30, 2024 12:02:19 GMT -5
I'm not bothered by it. If the players want to wear them in games, I say go for it. Makes no difference to me. Just nobody start crying when we see a significant uptick in serious neck injuries. Why would this create an uptick in serious neck injuries? Is there evidence out there to suggest as much? Yes, quite a bit of it. It was one of the reasons they moved to the hard shell, smooth helmet in the first place. These guardian caps are attached to the helmet. It will take them until the first or 15th player gets caught on the artificial turf and gets rolled over and snaps his neck for them to realize that they need to detach without impediment. There was a safety years ago that had a cap on his helmet that wasn't secured with anything. Probably because he had some sense before he put it on. But if we did that there would be a cap collection period after every play. That type of thing would be better. But these caps as designed will result in some broken necks before they figure it out. But hey, player safety, their neck might be broken, but they didn't get a concussion. So we are doing "something" and we "care about player safety". As I said, if the NFL genuinely cared about player safety, they would shut down the league. If the players actually cared, they wouldn't play. And if the fans actually cared, they wouldn't watch. Nobody cares, we are playing make believe and convincing ourselves that it's true. You can't make football safe any more than you can make boxing safe or NASCAR carbon neutral. The owners and players want the money, they know the risks and fans want their entertainment. So we are all playing this game and convincing ourselves that we care about these players' health and safety. The new helmet designs have made it safer, as someone else suggested, see about the motorcycle helmet designs for ideas. But really the best thing you can do to make the game safer is to slow it down. Which means a lot of contact rules that favor the defense and reduce scoring. Guess what they aren't going to do? Yup, slow it down and reduce scoring. So any mention of "player safety" from the competition committee is lies, complete and utter bullshit. They don't care, they just want to appear to care for those that pretend to care. The new kick-off rule has been a very good rule change in favor of making things safer. Far from safe, but safer and still give us football to watch. I will applaud this change as a move in the right direction. I don't think everything they have done is pointless. I just know that money and entertainment rank higher on the priority list than safety for everyone involved.
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Post by Providence on Apr 30, 2024 12:27:42 GMT -5
Why would this create an uptick in serious neck injuries? Is there evidence out there to suggest as much? Yes, quite a bit of it. It was one of the reasons they moved to the hard shell, smooth helmet in the first place. These guardian caps are attached to the helmet. It will take them until the first or 15th player gets caught on the artificial turf and gets rolled over and snaps his neck for them to realize that they need to detach without impediment. There was a safety years ago that had a cap on his helmet that wasn't secured with anything. Probably because he had some sense before he put it on. But if we did that there would be a cap collection period after every play. That type of thing would be better. But these caps as designed will result in some broken necks before they figure it out. But hey, player safety, their neck might be broken, but they didn't get a concussion. So we are doing "something" and we "care about player safety". As I said, if the NFL genuinely cared about player safety, they would shut down the league. If the players actually cared, they wouldn't play. And if the fans actually cared, they wouldn't watch. Nobody cares, we are playing make believe and convincing ourselves that it's true. You can't make football safe any more than you can make boxing safe or NASCAR carbon neutral. The owners and players want the money, they know the risks and fans want their entertainment. So we are all playing this game and convincing ourselves that we care about these players' health and safety. The new helmet designs have made it safer, as someone else suggested, see about the motorcycle helmet designs for ideas. But really the best thing you can do to make the game safer is to slow it down. Which means a lot of contact rules that favor the defense and reduce scoring. Guess what they aren't going to do? Yup, slow it down and reduce scoring. So any mention of "player safety" from the competition committee is lies, complete and utter bullshit. They don't care, they just want to appear to care for those that pretend to care. The new kick-off rule has been a very good rule change in favor of making things safer. Far from safe, but safer and still give us football to watch. I will applaud this change as a move in the right direction. I don't think everything they have done is pointless. I just know that money and entertainment rank higher on the priority list than safety for everyone involved. Got it. I didn't know of the potential impact of the rubber gripping into the field. I can see how that would be very problematic. That said, don't they use these in practice pretty regularly? I'm wondering if they've already come across this issue and found a solution? And yes, this is a violent game and if people were actually concerned about player safety, they'd boycott it. That said, and as you suggest with your comments about the kickoff change, it's not black and white. If there are things that can be done that could enhance safety we shouldn't ignore them or combat them simply because the game is still violent. It's like moving the goal posts back from the front of the endzone to the back of it. Did that make the game safe? Hell no. Did it make it safer? Sure did.
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Post by jmike on Apr 30, 2024 13:03:20 GMT -5
Yes, quite a bit of it. It was one of the reasons they moved to the hard shell, smooth helmet in the first place. These guardian caps are attached to the helmet. It will take them until the first or 15th player gets caught on the artificial turf and gets rolled over and snaps his neck for them to realize that they need to detach without impediment. There was a safety years ago that had a cap on his helmet that wasn't secured with anything. Probably because he had some sense before he put it on. But if we did that there would be a cap collection period after every play. That type of thing would be better. But these caps as designed will result in some broken necks before they figure it out. But hey, player safety, their neck might be broken, but they didn't get a concussion. So we are doing "something" and we "care about player safety". As I said, if the NFL genuinely cared about player safety, they would shut down the league. If the players actually cared, they wouldn't play. And if the fans actually cared, they wouldn't watch. Nobody cares, we are playing make believe and convincing ourselves that it's true. You can't make football safe any more than you can make boxing safe or NASCAR carbon neutral. The owners and players want the money, they know the risks and fans want their entertainment. So we are all playing this game and convincing ourselves that we care about these players' health and safety. The new helmet designs have made it safer, as someone else suggested, see about the motorcycle helmet designs for ideas. But really the best thing you can do to make the game safer is to slow it down. Which means a lot of contact rules that favor the defense and reduce scoring. Guess what they aren't going to do? Yup, slow it down and reduce scoring. So any mention of "player safety" from the competition committee is lies, complete and utter bullshit. They don't care, they just want to appear to care for those that pretend to care. The new kick-off rule has been a very good rule change in favor of making things safer. Far from safe, but safer and still give us football to watch. I will applaud this change as a move in the right direction. I don't think everything they have done is pointless. I just know that money and entertainment rank higher on the priority list than safety for everyone involved. Got it. I didn't know of the potential impact of the rubber gripping into the field. I can see how that would be very problematic. That said, don't they use these in practice pretty regularly? I'm wondering if they've already come across this issue and found a solution? And yes, this is a violent game and if people were actually concerned about player safety, they'd boycott it. That said, and as you suggest with your comments about the kickoff change, it's not black and white. If there are things that can be done that could enhance safety we shouldn't ignore them or combat them simply because the game is still violent. It's like moving the goal posts back from the front of the endzone to the back of it. Did that make the game safe? Hell no. Did it make it safer? Sure did. They don't tackle in practice anymore. And I am probably overblowing the issue a tad. And maybe these caps release a lot easier than they appear to? I don't have any issues with the rule change to allow these guardian caps. My only point really is these things will often have both unforeseen and foreseen issues that come with them. Too often I find things are done to appear to be doing something rather than doing something productive. There is actually a good double hardshell design that was presented to the league that was shot down for it's bobblehead look. Fundamentally it had a hard outside shell, with a layer of high elasticity padding, then another hard layer, with protective padding similar to what you see inside of helmets today. Again, that was shot down like a decade ago now, due to aesthetics. Now they are going with this new bobblehead look. Sometimes things just don't make sense to me. It was a really cool design. It basically recreated how the skull protects the brain. Maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn't, but functionality wasn't why it was discarded.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 1, 2024 10:03:46 GMT -5
I imagine they will affect the QB's downfield vision is the linemen are wearing them. That's a good point. I hadn't thought about that.
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Post by Rangers13 on May 1, 2024 10:10:26 GMT -5
I imagine they will affect the QB's downfield vision is the linemen are wearing them. Jones doesn’t have time to look downfield so he shouldn’t have any issues.
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