|
Post by believernyg10 on Jun 20, 2018 17:52:59 GMT -5
Thank you. I called him a fool instead of a troll but I guess he fits that definition to a T. He will not last here very long if he continues the behavior. There isn't anything to debate here. Jerry Reese is responsible for Ben McAdoo. This was confirmed when: 1) McAdoo stated HIMSELF "We are tied at the hip" 2) Both were fired at the exact same time. Everything else is semantics. Reese hired McAdoo. Period.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 18:27:45 GMT -5
It's a game of semantics. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Okay. I'm done. Have fun doing whatever you're doing.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 18:30:41 GMT -5
Sorry, one last burst of your bubble.
You're using the "tied at the hip" comment by McAdoo extremely out of context.
Here is the entire context in which it was quoted:
Last week, general manager Jerry Reese said one of the reasons for the 1-6 record is the Giants bought into the hype heading into this season and did not play with the hunger and passion needed to win. McAdoo did not fight this claim.
“You take a look at the first half of the season, I don’t think you can point to just one thing,” McAdoo said. “Were we a hungry enough football team? You can make a case that we weren’t. But that’s just part of it. It’s not just one thing.”
Asked if he and Reese are on the same page, McAdoo said: “One hundred percent. We’re tied at the hip. Jerry and I have multiple conversations every day. We have a great relationship — great working relationship. I have a lot of respect for Jerry and everything that he’s done in this profession.”
|
|
|
Post by Roosevelt on Jun 20, 2018 18:32:57 GMT -5
Thank you. I called him a fool instead of a troll but I guess he fits that definition to a T. He will not last here very long if he continues the behavior. There isn't anything to debate here. Jerry Reese is responsible for Ben McAdoo. This was confirmed when: 1) McAdoo stated HIMSELF "We are tied at the hip" 2) Both were fired at the exact same time. Everything else is semantics. Reese hired McAdoo. Period.
McAdoo stated that he and Reese were "tied at the hip" coming off the bye, after Reese's comments led some to be there was a rift between them. McAdoo was simply trying to assure everyone that everything was fine.
|
|
Jaydub
Special Teams
Posts: 595
|
Post by Jaydub on Jun 20, 2018 21:53:56 GMT -5
You don't care about semantics but do care about reality and facts? Both are proving you to be incorrect. I am 1000% correct. Reese is responsible for McAdoo. U can play the semantics game all u want. Facts won't change. Believing something doesn't make it a fact. Provide proof that what you're saying is factual. Links to reputable web sites will do just fine.
(Links to message boards in which you've said the same thing as you've been saying here is not going to cut the mustard)
|
|
|
Post by Sarcasman on Jun 20, 2018 23:02:15 GMT -5
Sure, they could have traded up to grab one of those sure fire franchise QBs just like any other team. You DO understand the cost of trading up that far...right? Even the Bills couldn't afford to trade up from 12. They traded away an all pro LT just to move up 10 spots. How would it have been for the Steelers or Pats to trade up? If they thought the QBs were that good, I would think it would be worth it.
|
|
|
Post by Sarcasman on Jun 20, 2018 23:06:15 GMT -5
At least the Giants aren't alone on that one. They can share it with the Patriots, Saints, Steelers and Chargers. Rk |
| Tm | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Yds | TD | Int | Y/A | Y/C | Rate | 4QC | 1 | Tom Brady | NWE | 385 | 581 | 66.3 | 4,577 | 32 | 8 | 7.9 | 11.9 | 102.8 | 2 | 2 | Philip Rivers
| LAC | 360 | 575 | 62.6 | 4,515 | 28 | 10 | 7.9 | 12.5 | 96.0 | 2 | 4 | Drew Brees | NOR | 386 | 536 | 72.0 | 4,334 | 23 | 8 | 8.1 | 11.2 | 103.9 | 2 | 5 | Ben Roethlisberger | PIT | 360 | 561 | 64.2 | 4,251 | 28 | 14 | 7.6 | 11.8 | 93.4 | 3 | 15 | Eli Manning | NYG | 352 | 571 | 61.6 | 3,468 | 19 | 13 | 6.1 | 9.9 | 80.4 | 0 |
I guess when you still have a Top 5 quarterback you don't worry so much. Or when you've got a good team apparently.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 1:30:39 GMT -5
Rk |
| Tm | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Yds | TD | Int | Y/A | Y/C | Rate | 4QC | 1 | Tom Brady | NWE | 385 | 581 | 66.3 | 4,577 | 32 | 8 | 7.9 | 11.9 | 102.8 | 2 | 2 | Philip Rivers
| LAC | 360 | 575 | 62.6 | 4,515 | 28 | 10 | 7.9 | 12.5 | 96.0 | 2 | 4 | Drew Brees | NOR | 386 | 536 | 72.0 | 4,334 | 23 | 8 | 8.1 | 11.2 | 103.9 | 2 | 5 | Ben Roethlisberger | PIT | 360 | 561 | 64.2 | 4,251 | 28 | 14 | 7.6 | 11.8 | 93.4 | 3 | 15 | Eli Manning | NYG | 352 | 571 | 61.6 | 3,468 | 19 | 13 | 6.1 | 9.9 | 80.4 | 0 |
I guess when you still have a Top 5 quarterback you don't worry so much. Or when you've got a good team apparently. Not sure I'd characterize the Chargers as a good team, but I guess compared to the Giants...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 2:05:09 GMT -5
Thank you. I called him a fool instead of a troll but I guess he fits that definition to a T. He will not last here very long if he continues the behavior. disagreeing leads to bans here?
|
|
|
Post by TCHOF on Jun 21, 2018 4:44:52 GMT -5
I thought McAdoo sounded like he could be a HC from the first moment I heard him.
Although Mara swears he never heard of him before Tom brought him in here.
I'm not saying you're wrong Zim, I'm only repeating what I've heard.
John Mara said publicly that Tom Coughlin informed him he wanted Ben McAdoo and he said he didn't know Ben McAdoo from Bob McAdoo.
One thing the Mara family has always believed in...That the HC should be able to pick his assistants....Period.
How’d that work out for Gilbride?
|
|
|
Post by Morehead State on Jun 21, 2018 5:42:25 GMT -5
Thank you. I called him a fool instead of a troll but I guess he fits that definition to a T. He will not last here very long if he continues the behavior. There isn't anything to debate here. Jerry Reese is responsible for Ben McAdoo. This was confirmed when: 1) McAdoo stated HIMSELF "We are tied at the hip" 2) Both were fired at the exact same time. Everything else is semantics. Reese hired McAdoo. Period. John Mara busted the myth that Ben McAdoo was hired not only as Tom Coughlin's offensive coordinator, but as his successor.
"I laugh when some of you write some of that stuff," the Giants' president and CEO said on Tuesday. "A year ago I didn't know Ben McAdoo from Bob McAdoo. Some of you have written that we brought him in here and anointed him the next head coach. The first time I met him was after Tom had hired him and I went down and introduced myself and welcomed him. Tom interviewed a number of candidates last year for the offensive coordinator position, but the final decision was always going to be his. I think he made a good choice."
End of debate....
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 5:46:39 GMT -5
There isn't anything to debate here. Jerry Reese is responsible for Ben McAdoo. This was confirmed when: 1) McAdoo stated HIMSELF "We are tied at the hip" 2) Both were fired at the exact same time. Everything else is semantics. Reese hired McAdoo. Period. John Mara busted the myth that Ben McAdoo was hired not only as Tom Coughlin's offensive coordinator, but as his successor.
"I laugh when some of you write some of that stuff," the Giants' president and CEO said on Tuesday. "A year ago I didn't know Ben McAdoo from Bob McAdoo. Some of you have written that we brought him in here and anointed him the next head coach. The first time I met him was after Tom had hired him and I went down and introduced myself and welcomed him. Tom interviewed a number of candidates last year for the offensive coordinator position, but the final decision was always going to be his. I think he made a good choice."
End of debate....
Yes Tom hired Mcadoo as OC. The argument is about HC.
|
|
|
Post by Morehead State on Jun 21, 2018 5:50:25 GMT -5
John Mara busted the myth that Ben McAdoo was hired not only as Tom Coughlin's offensive coordinator, but as his successor.
"I laugh when some of you write some of that stuff," the Giants' president and CEO said on Tuesday. "A year ago I didn't know Ben McAdoo from Bob McAdoo. Some of you have written that we brought him in here and anointed him the next head coach. The first time I met him was after Tom had hired him and I went down and introduced myself and welcomed him. Tom interviewed a number of candidates last year for the offensive coordinator position, but the final decision was always going to be his. I think he made a good choice."
End of debate....
Yes Tom hired Mcadoo as OC. The argument is about HC. Not according to this poster. he's claiming that Reese hired McAdoo as OC.
And you and I both know that John Mara hires the HC. Or are you going off the deep end like this other kid?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 5:59:21 GMT -5
Yes Tom hired Mcadoo as OC. The argument is about HC. Not according to this poster. he's claiming that Reese hired McAdoo as OC.
And you and I both know that John Mara hires the HC. Or are you going off the deep end like this other kid?
it was a collective agreement and Reese was also responsible for the hire. I don’t really care who did it though if anything it sped up the process to fire both toxic wastes.
|
|
|
Post by TCHOF on Jun 21, 2018 6:07:15 GMT -5
Yes Tom hired Mcadoo as OC. The argument is about HC. Not according to this poster. he's claiming that Reese hired McAdoo as OC.
And you and I both know that John Mara hires the HC. Or are you going off the deep end like this other kid?
Wait, I thought that TC hand-picked McAdoo as his successor?
|
|
|
Post by Morehead State on Jun 21, 2018 6:10:57 GMT -5
Not according to this poster. he's claiming that Reese hired McAdoo as OC.
And you and I both know that John Mara hires the HC. Or are you going off the deep end like this other kid?
it was a collective agreement and Reese was also responsible for the hire. I don’t really care who did it though if anything it sped up the process to fire both toxic wastes. You know that it's not the way it works with us. You have to unless your head has been in the sand all these years.
You also have to know that JR, who is EA's protege, didn't care much for Tom Coughlin and would never have supported the hiring of Tom's guy as the new HC. He even tipped his hand when he said that the new coach had to have "thick skin". Since it was well known that McAdoo did not.
I doubt very seriously that JR wanted McAdoo at all. But either way..THAT decision is John Mara's and John Mara's alone. Just as the decisions to draft players was JR's alone. And HE is responsible for any of those mistakes.
Everyone has input but the decision makers with our franchise are very clear and well known.
This debate is really about one poster who is pretty much making a fool of himself. If you want to jump on that island with him that's your choice.
HIS position is that JR hired McAdoo as DC and then hired him as HC. Is that really when you want to be on this? These are both nonsensical claims that all Giants fans know to be absolutely false.
So which position are you really taking here?
|
|
|
Post by Morehead State on Jun 21, 2018 6:11:47 GMT -5
Not according to this poster. he's claiming that Reese hired McAdoo as OC.
And you and I both know that John Mara hires the HC. Or are you going off the deep end like this other kid?
Wait, I thought that TC hand-picked McAdoo as his successor? Well played sir.
|
|
|
Post by TCHOF on Jun 21, 2018 7:53:21 GMT -5
Wait, I thought that TC hand-picked McAdoo as his successor? Well played sir. 😁
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 7:56:34 GMT -5
it was a collective agreement and Reese was also responsible for the hire. I don’t really care who did it though if anything it sped up the process to fire both toxic wastes. You know that it's not the way it works with us. You have to unless your head has been in the sand all these years.
You also have to know that JR, who is EA's protege, didn't care much for Tom Coughlin and would never have supported the hiring of Tom's guy as the new HC. He even tipped his hand when he said that the new coach had to have "thick skin". Since it was well known that McAdoo did not.
I doubt very seriously that JR wanted McAdoo at all. But either way..THAT decision is John Mara's and John Mara's alone. Just as the decisions to draft players was JR's alone. And HE is responsible for any of those mistakes.
Everyone has input but the decision makers with our franchise are very clear and well known.
This debate is really about one poster who is pretty much making a fool of himself. If you want to jump on that island with him that's your choice.
HIS position is that JR hired McAdoo as DC and then hired him as HC. Is that really when you want to be on this? These are both nonsensical claims that all Giants fans know to be absolutely false.
So which position are you really taking here?
As I stated earlier, I really do not care that much to divulge in who hired who as HC. Both stooges are now gone.
|
|
|
Post by Roosevelt on Jun 21, 2018 8:28:31 GMT -5
Thank you. I called him a fool instead of a troll but I guess he fits that definition to a T. He will not last here very long if he continues the behavior. disagreeing leads to bans here? Engaging in conversation is encouraged whether you agree or disagree, but trolling will undoubtedly get you removed from this message board. This board is not here to serve infantile behavior.
|
|
|
Post by Sarcasman on Jun 21, 2018 9:49:18 GMT -5
Or when you've got a good team apparently. Not sure I'd characterize the Chargers as a good team, but I guess compared to the Giants... Well, that's true. Everybody is a good team compared to the Giants. Although still 9-7, a top 5 offense, top 3 in points against. That doesn't suck. And while I guess there's a case to be made that they could have and should have been better, that just always seems to be the issue with them.
|
|
|
Post by Roosevelt on Jun 21, 2018 11:23:11 GMT -5
There isn't anything to debate here. Jerry Reese is responsible for Ben McAdoo. This was confirmed when: 1) McAdoo stated HIMSELF "We are tied at the hip" 2) Both were fired at the exact same time. Everything else is semantics. Reese hired McAdoo. Period. John Mara busted the myth that Ben McAdoo was hired not only as Tom Coughlin's offensive coordinator, but as his successor.
"I laugh when some of you write some of that stuff," the Giants' president and CEO said on Tuesday. "A year ago I didn't know Ben McAdoo from Bob McAdoo. Some of you have written that we brought him in here and anointed him the next head coach. The first time I met him was after Tom had hired him and I went down and introduced myself and welcomed him. Tom interviewed a number of candidates last year for the offensive coordinator position, but the final decision was always going to be his. I think he made a good choice."
End of debate....
There you go. "Final decisions" are what we've been talking about and that is not semantics.
As I mentioned previously, word got out that Reese was not a McAdoo guy. This is the piece I was referring to, and we should take it with a grain of salt since it will never be confirmed publicly.
But after he (Reese) was fired on Monday, it was reported that Ben McAdoo, who was also fired on Monday, was not “the guy” Reese wanted as head coach.
Just like I had been saying for a while, the Giants promoted McAdoo to head coach because he interviewed for the (then) vacant Philadelphia Eagles head coaching job prior to the 2016 season.
Out of fear that they would have to run an entirely new offense for Eli Manning upon McAdoo’s departure, the Giants decided to quickly slap the “head coach” tag on McAdoo before he could (potentially) join their hated rivals.
Think of how ****ed up this situation really is for Reese …
As the general manager for a decade, not once, did he ever get to pick his coach or quarterback (Tom Coughlin and Manning were there before him; McAdoo wasn’t “his” guy, either)
And the irony in what’s happening w/ #Giants? Ben McAdoo was NOT Jerry Reese’s choice as head coach. I was told then, and again recently, he liked two other candidates more.
|
|
|
Post by Sarcasman on Jun 21, 2018 15:31:19 GMT -5
Fake news. Reese's camp leaked the report right after being fired. He was embarrassed by the McAdoo hire that he made, and wanted to save face. You really suck at reading between the lines. LAMO! That's funny; good stuff. +1
|
|
|
Post by Roosevelt on Jun 21, 2018 15:58:09 GMT -5
Fake news. Reese's camp leaked the report right after being fired. He was embarrassed by the McAdoo hire that he made, and wanted to save face. You really suck at reading between the lines.
|
|
BigBlue58
Special Teams
Enter your message here...
Posts: 950
|
Post by BigBlue58 on Jun 24, 2018 7:28:29 GMT -5
Sorry, but the positives of Reese, at the time he was let go, is the real hindsight in this topic!!! I think it’s comical that people could actually try to make an argument, that Reese was somehow railroaded or scapegoated, considering all the units on the team he allowed to erode since SB46!!! I also find it ironic, that the 2 SB’s won with Reese as GM, buys him more benefit of the doubt and good will to some, than Eli, who happened to be the MVP of those two SB’s! Ironic of course, because it’s Reese, whose missteps AS GM since 2011, was responsible for the erosion of the O Line, Eli’s protection, the disappearance of the running game, a revolving door of mediocre TE’s after letting a star in Bennett walk. And that was just the Offensive side! Reese’s malpractice against the D, included but was not limited to: ignoring the LB position until it rivaled SP Teams as the weakest unit on the team. Allowing the pass rush to wither to nothing like the OLine and running game. Overpaying Vernon and criminally overpaying JPP to try to get it going again.....which it never did! And YES...hiring McAdoo as HC, because hiring and firing the coaching staff ...including the HC, is the GM’s job!!! Mara and Tisch have to ok it of course, but the recommendation had to come from Reese. And you’re all being naive, if you don’t think the new regime had everything to do with OBJ’s decision not to hold out! Reese with his his rigidity and McAdoo with his caustic personality from Mars, would have already ****ed up that whole situation by now, and succeeded only in alienating Beckham in some form or fashion!!! Reese and McAdumbass are the past.......let’s keep them there. Read more: thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/194/teams-biggest-mistake-last-decade?page=1#ixzz5IsPHalzaI'm a guy who generally liked Jerry Reese. He DID win two SB's here and I like that he was essentially born and raised in the Giants organization and rose through the ranks and got he job as GM based on merit. Having siad that he struggled in identifying O line ability and tended to reach for O line in Round one with both Pugh and Flowers. I have no problem with him being let go because 6 years on losing is a long time. NO ONE should be safe given our dismal record since 2012. JR did pick some very good players, many of whom will be essential in our return to competitiveness. But the record the last 6 years speaks for itself. I will not let any attacks on him go without response though. He was a Giants lifer and helped bring us 2 SB wins. There comes a time when a little appreciation should rule the day. Maybe that time isn't there for some folks, but it is for me. In other words...let's cut the guy some slack. he did some great things here. Don’t get me wrong MH....I absolutely agree that he did some great things as GM! But for whatever the reason.....and I don’t pretend to know what that reason is, Reese lost perspective and his ability to make sound judgements and good decisions. JPP’s contract being downright irrational!
|
|
|
Post by Morehead State on Jun 24, 2018 12:24:25 GMT -5
I'm a guy who generally liked Jerry Reese. He DID win two SB's here and I like that he was essentially born and raised in the Giants organization and rose through the ranks and got he job as GM based on merit. Having siad that he struggled in identifying O line ability and tended to reach for O line in Round one with both Pugh and Flowers. I have no problem with him being let go because 6 years on losing is a long time. NO ONE should be safe given our dismal record since 2012. JR did pick some very good players, many of whom will be essential in our return to competitiveness. But the record the last 6 years speaks for itself. I will not let any attacks on him go without response though. He was a Giants lifer and helped bring us 2 SB wins. There comes a time when a little appreciation should rule the day. Maybe that time isn't there for some folks, but it is for me. In other words...let's cut the guy some slack. he did some great things here. Don’t get me wrong MH....I absolutely agree that he did some great things as GM! But for whatever the reason.....and I don’t pretend to know what that reason is, Reese lost perspective and his ability to make sound judgements and good decisions. JPP’s contract being downright irrational! Even the last few drafts, he picked some damned good players. His first two picks in the 2017 draft were on the all rookie team. Engram looks like a monster. But I agree that he struggled on the O line. Not sure if it was bad luck or not. I just think he believed the guys we had would develop. I also blame some damned poor coaching. The decision to put Flowers at LT, which was TC's initially, was a terrible mistake. We should have moved Pugh to LT and kept Flowers at RT, where he was drafted to play. Don't forget that, Flowers was drafted to play RT. We had Beatty coming off a good season when he was picked. Not JR's fault that he tore his biceps.
He DID sign Jones, then TC and McAdoo sat him for a year and a half.
So while JR screwed up in general on the O line. Their poor play is not just on him.
|
|
BigBlue58
Special Teams
Enter your message here...
Posts: 950
|
Post by BigBlue58 on Jun 24, 2018 18:45:16 GMT -5
Don’t get me wrong MH....I absolutely agree that he did some great things as GM! But for whatever the reason.....and I don’t pretend to know what that reason is, Reese lost perspective and his ability to make sound judgements and good decisions. JPP’s contract being downright irrational! Even the last few drafts, he picked some damned good players. His first two picks in the 2017 draft were on the all rookie team. Engram looks like a monster. But I agree that he struggled on the O line. Not sure if it was bad luck or not. I just think he believed the guys we had would develop. I also blame some damned poor coaching. The decision to put Flowers at LT, which was TC's initially, was a terrible mistake. We should have moved Pugh to LT and kept Flowers at RT, where he was drafted to play. Don't forget that, Flowers was drafted to play RT. We had Beatty coming off a good season when he was picked. Not JR's fault that he tore his biceps.
He DID sign Jones, then TC and McAdoo sat him for a year and a half.
So while JR screwed up in general on the O line. Their poor play is not just on him.
Absolutely agree!!!
|
|