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Post by firminsidepocket on Jun 27, 2018 19:10:05 GMT -5
Most toxic, destructive force in NYG history. The most toxic destructive force in NYG history? Uh, no. I think a bullet fired from Plaxico Burress's gun was the most toxic destructive force in NYG history. Stopped a repeat IMO. Reese destroyed true New York Giants football. He tried to turn the Giants into a Big 12 team. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 27, 2018 19:17:51 GMT -5
The most toxic destructive force in NYG history? Uh, no. I think a bullet fired from Plaxico Burress's gun was the most toxic destructive force in NYG history. Stopped a repeat IMO. Reese destroyed true New York Giants football. He tried to turn the Giants into a Big 12 team. You do realize how horrid of a streak the Giants when through leading up to the mid 80's right? Watch "Jersey Guys" sometime. A great outlining of just how much that time sucked for Giants fans and a great program. |
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Post by nick030567 on Jun 27, 2018 19:20:54 GMT -5
Really. Singlehandedly got Tom Coughlin, Pat Flaherty, Mike Pope, and Kevin Gilbride fired. Never gave the team a realistic chance of competing from 2013-2017. Turned to an outsider from Green Bay (McAdoo) to pin the blame on Coughlin and save his job. Put Eli Manning in a system designed for an Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson style QB. The guy made some bad moves but Kevin Gilbride didn't do himself any favors by stubbornly forcing players into an intricate scheme that didn't fit them. The offense was absolutely fantastic in 2011, but struggled mightily many times in 2009, 2010, 2012 and 2013. Yes some of this was on the offensive line. But he basically refused to change their passing philosophy after 2011 as if every year was going to be 2011. He would've done himself a big favor if he simplified the offense in 2012 and especially 2013 when the offensive line wasn't doing their jobs in pass protection. You definitely need good protection in his passing scheme. Most of those routes took time to run and weren't quick routes, Eli also took deeper drop backs if I remember correctly.
Doesn't anyone remember all the times the Offense came out and totally sucked against horrible defenses during his tenure even before the offensive line totally sucked post-2011? A lot of the time it was due to oddly bad playing calling. I say oddly because he really was a great offensive mind and had great play calling in the most important situations aside from that 2008 playoff game against the Eagles..
But That's why The McAdoo/Coughlin Offense of 2014 and 2015 had so much success. It had a lot of balance and kept the ball moving even without a running game or a decent O-line. It had simpler concepts but had a lot of variety. Yet McAdoo totally ruined that though by being so one dimensional and stubborn when he became head coach and scraped a lot of Coughlin's philosophy.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 27, 2018 20:35:31 GMT -5
...I'm not a Reese hater but the coaching staffs demise had more to do with talent then coaching... I beg to differ. Coughlin was making TERRIBLE decisions late in games in 2015, and I think that's what ultimately sunk him. I love Coughlin as much as anybody else here, but...he was losing his coaching faculties. It was time for him to move on. I wish we could have retained him in some other capacity, but it was clear that there was bad blood between him and Mara. And, obviously, I wish we had replaced him with someone other than McAdoofus. I thought it was a horrible choice, and he certainly did his best to confirm that notion. I really thought a lot of his crazy decisions were because the defense couldn't stop anyone going for it on fourth downs and such, he did have some bad clock management,still think if there were plenty of talent and they were competitive and winning those things wood have been an after thought. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 27, 2018 20:43:29 GMT -5
Never said young was great,and the difference for me is that he came into a rock bottom situation, and with those picks he built a solid nucleus that got them the 2 rings,JR came into a team that was close and with the 07 draft got them over the top,but everything was there for him as I said QB coach OL pass rush,all I'm saying is Young started from scratch JR had a running start,but I do agree young struggled big time probably even before the 90 championship,both GMs had a similar trajectory just when youngs guys got old they were guys he picked and failed to replace JR never really built his own nucleus of giants,when they got old it was between the 4-6 year mark of his tenure,he just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in the draft to get quality guys in here,to revive the franchise,always respect your opinion tho. As I said Reese never had 5 top 10 picks in 6 years. When Young's picks aged. Because he never had that resource again . He was no better the Reese when the picks were mid to latter in the first. In all aspects Reese's win loss record is the same a Young's . In the end both were comparable GMs . Accorsi was not even close. He had 9 years to build a championship team . He never accomplished it . He had some good draft picks but never was able to complete a team that could hoist a trophy. the only thing I don't agree with is as I said Accorsi drafted the nucleus of those two Super Bowl teams the meat and potatoes,we can't agree on everything lol,the one thing that gets lost here is DG did a hell of a job back then with pro personnel for EA and for a short time with JR. |
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Post by TEM on Jun 27, 2018 21:18:51 GMT -5
As I said Reese never had 5 top 10 picks in 6 years. When Young's picks aged. Because he never had that resource again . He was no better the Reese when the picks were mid to latter in the first. In all aspects Reese's win loss record is the same a Young's . In the end both were comparable GMs . Accorsi was not even close. He had 9 years to build a championship team . He never accomplished it . He had some good draft picks but never was able to complete a team that could hoist a trophy. the only thing I don't agree with is as I said Accorsi drafted the nucleus of those two Super Bowl teams the meat and potatoes,we can't agree on everything lol,the one thing that gets lost here is DG did a hell of a job back then with pro personnel for EA and for a short time with JR. Accorsi never put the cherry on the Sunday . He had 9 years to do so. If he could not do it in 9 what makes some think he did it the in the 10th without any input on that season. I think Dave was a good choice. He has some big shoes to fill . Every time he walks by that case he will see Lombardi's and not one has Dave Gettleman engrave on it. Hopefully that will be a powerful motivator. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 27, 2018 22:08:56 GMT -5
The most toxic destructive force in NYG history? Uh, no. I think a bullet fired from Plaxico Burress's gun was the most toxic destructive force in NYG history. Stopped a repeat IMO. Reese destroyed true New York Giants football. He tried to turn the Giants into a Big 12 team. Which SB win suggests that the most? 42 or 46? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 28, 2018 8:44:14 GMT -5
the only thing I don't agree with is as I said Accorsi drafted the nucleus of those two Super Bowl teams the meat and potatoes,we can't agree on everything lol,the one thing that gets lost here is DG did a hell of a job back then with pro personnel for EA and for a short time with JR. Accorsi never put the cherry on the Sunday . He had 9 years to do so. If he could not do it in 9 what makes some think he did it the in the 10th without any input on that season. I think Dave was a good choice. He has some big shoes to fill . Every time he walks by that case he will see Lombardi's and not one has Dave Gettleman engrave on it. Hopefully that will be a powerful motivator. the only reason I believe that is because the only thing different in that tenth season was the draft picks, the coaching staff was the same the core of the team was the same the nucleus was the same the QB was the same,these were all EAs draft choices and WM chose the coaching staff ,in 07 JR and DG did a good job finding cheep vet free agents that were big contributors,and most important was OL which DG did a great job plucking Ohara from clevelands practice squad,I'm not a reese hater but he was the GM for about 6 months or less before the 07 season it's almost impossible to give him to much credit,he deserves the same as the other assistants to EA got DG was there working pro personnel,not trying to take anything from him but he never even came close to bringing in the next wave of giants after the guys EA drafted grew old,thats why the team is where it's at,they were lucky to squeeze that 11 Super Bowl out of them they were on there last legs, |
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Post by TEM on Jun 28, 2018 15:47:34 GMT -5
Accorsi never put the cherry on the Sunday . He had 9 years to do so. If he could not do it in 9 what makes some think he did it the in the 10th without any input on that season. I think Dave was a good choice. He has some big shoes to fill . Every time he walks by that case he will see Lombardi's and not one has Dave Gettleman engrave on it. Hopefully that will be a powerful motivator. the only reason I believe that is because the only thing different in that tenth season was the draft picks, the coaching staff was the same the core of the team was the same the nucleus was the same the QB was the same,these were all EAs draft choices and WM chose the coaching staff ,in 07 JR and DG did a good job finding cheep vet free agents that were big contributors,and most important was OL which DG did a great job plucking Ohara from clevelands practice squad,I'm not a reese hater but he was the GM for about 6 months or less before the 07 season it's almost impossible to give him to much credit,he deserves the same as the other assistants to EA got DG was there working pro personnel,not trying to take anything from him but he never even came close to bringing in the next wave of giants after the guys EA drafted grew old,thats why the team is where it's at,they were lucky to squeeze that 11 Super Bowl out of them they were on there last legs, That is all that was needed top put JRs signature on the team. Add a few FAs. Re-sign the necessary don't let the walk players. We had a trophy. |
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Post by ocgiant on Jun 28, 2018 18:31:36 GMT -5
Summary of work makes for an argument, it was the last few years where the bad decision making especially drafting Flowers and Apple who were highly questionable (based on performance to date). Then throw in MacAdoo, Eli benching... and the loss of control of the team... he had to go.
I still remember when he was winning people would say "In Reese we trust".
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Post by Jomo on Jun 28, 2018 19:14:19 GMT -5
Whooppey Doooo.. that dude set back the franchise a number of years with the last 3-5 drafts and bad FA signings Most toxic, destructive force in NYG history. Wow, ……………….wow. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 28, 2018 19:46:37 GMT -5
the only reason I believe that is because the only thing different in that tenth season was the draft picks, the coaching staff was the same the core of the team was the same the nucleus was the same the QB was the same,these were all EAs draft choices and WM chose the coaching staff ,in 07 JR and DG did a good job finding cheep vet free agents that were big contributors,and most important was OL which DG did a great job plucking Ohara from clevelands practice squad,I'm not a reese hater but he was the GM for about 6 months or less before the 07 season it's almost impossible to give him to much credit,he deserves the same as the other assistants to EA got DG was there working pro personnel,not trying to take anything from him but he never even came close to bringing in the next wave of giants after the guys EA drafted grew old,thats why the team is where it's at,they were lucky to squeeze that 11 Super Bowl out of them they were on there last legs, That is all that was needed top put JRs signature on the team. Add a few FAs. Re-sign the necessary don't let the walk players. We had a trophy. On this one my friend we will have agree to disagree,when his time came to build the team and and start his own legacy he hit on a few but missed on way to many, and built from the outside in, all he needed to do was keep it competitive when the old guard aged but he couldn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 3:41:00 GMT -5
the only thing I don't agree with is as I said Accorsi drafted the nucleus of those two Super Bowl teams the meat and potatoes,we can't agree on everything lol,the one thing that gets lost here is DG did a hell of a job back then with pro personnel for EA and for a short time with JR. Accorsi never put the cherry on the Sunday . Very clever...you're a pretty sharp guy, TEM!  |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 29, 2018 8:05:57 GMT -5
1st time we've seen Reese in public since his firing Reese is great with the ladies. He never has an offensive line for them. we have seen much worse then Jerry Reese he wasn't that bad, there have been some real bad ones how about ray the hit man handly for one, and Goerge Young doesn't get a pass on hiring him god bless his sole, it's probably still haunting him. |
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