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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 7, 2019 21:38:27 GMT -5
I've been watching too much OL tape. I started watching QB's (won't take long). I'm watching Drew Lock because he was my favorite QB at the senior Bowl. He has a ton of poise in the pocket and he makes sounds decisions while under pressure. Prototypical size and arm strength... He also has good accuracy. Very quick release but still seems to know his progressions.
His stats were down because of his receivers. When u watch him, forget the receptions, just check the ball placement. He needs to work on his QB drop back as he's in the typical spread shotgun most of the time. He puts the ball where only the receiver has a chance.
HE NEEDS TO INCREASE HIS RELEASE POINT. Balls batted at the line because he has a low release. That needs to be cleaned up.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 7, 2019 21:52:23 GMT -5
Against Alabama. Started ff with the INT and came back out slinging. I like his confidence. alabma bullied his receivers and he likes throwing in tight windows. Balls batted at the line again. Defensive coordinators know his weakness. He also needs to feel pressure and learn to step up in the pocket to avoid the pass rush. Eli could teach him a lot. He competed against a great Alabama defense, but it take 22 to win. Team was outmatched but his film still shows a confident accurate QB not scared of big games.. on a side note: Chad kelly amost beat these guys twice.
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Post by nmrt13 on Feb 8, 2019 9:26:06 GMT -5
I thought Daniel Jones was the front runner going into this draft but his game at the Senior Bowl was really poor to say the least. Mvp or not. He had a deer in the headlights look to him and was highly inaccurate for the time he played. I thought Drew Locks stock went up but I see Dwayne Haskins as the first QB taken in the draft now.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 8, 2019 12:01:34 GMT -5
Can you cite to a single scout, media talking head, etc., who thinks that Lock is a better prospect than both Haskins and Murray?
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 8, 2019 12:35:26 GMT -5
I thought Daniel Jones was the front runner going into this draft but his game at the Senior Bowl was really poor to say the least. Mvp or not. He had a deer in the headlights look to him and was highly inaccurate for the time he played. I thought Drew Locks stock went up but I see Dwayne Haskins as the first QB taken in the draft now. I thought Jones was decent enough in the game, word was he had a terrible week of prep though.
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Post by Speedman on Feb 8, 2019 14:00:17 GMT -5
Against Alabama. Started ff with the INT and came back out slinging. I like his confidence. alabma bullied his receivers and he likes throwing in tight windows. Balls batted at the line again. Defensive coordinators know his weakness. He also needs to feel pressure and learn to step up in the pocket to avoid the pass rush. Eli could teach him a lot. He competed against a great Alabama defense, but it take 22 to win. Team was outmatched but his film still shows a confident accurate QB not scared of big games.. on a side note: Chad kelly amost beat these guys twice. Looks like his release point is too low.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 8, 2019 15:53:23 GMT -5
Against Alabama. Started ff with the INT and came back out slinging. I like his confidence. alabma bullied his receivers and he likes throwing in tight windows. Balls batted at the line again. Defensive coordinators know his weakness. He also needs to feel pressure and learn to step up in the pocket to avoid the pass rush. Eli could teach him a lot. He competed against a great Alabama defense, but it take 22 to win. Team was outmatched but his film still shows a confident accurate QB not scared of big games.. on a side note: Chad kelly amost beat these guys twice. Looks like his release point is too low. Not sure that's a big deal. Philip Rivers is low as well.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 8, 2019 15:56:40 GMT -5
Looks like his release point is too low. Not sure that's a big deal. Philip Rivers is low as well. Every time I watch him, I'm still struck with how weird his motion and release are. He's made it work though ....
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Post by Speedman on Feb 8, 2019 16:08:55 GMT -5
Looks like his release point is too low. Not sure that's a big deal. Philip Rivers is low as well. Rivers has a weird throwing motion but it works for him. Locks release point seems to have the ball at the side of his helmet. Ideally I would think it should be his elbow.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 8, 2019 16:11:53 GMT -5
Not sure that's a big deal. Philip Rivers is low as well. Rivers has a weird throwing motion but it works for him. Locks release point seems to have the ball at the side of his helmet. Ideally I would think it should be his elbow. I really don't know how that would effect his play or not.
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Post by Speedman on Feb 8, 2019 16:17:23 GMT -5
Rivers has a weird throwing motion but it works for him. Locks release point seems to have the ball at the side of his helmet. Ideally I would think it should be his elbow. I really don't know how that would effect his play or not. Getting balls tipped at the line of scrimmage.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 8, 2019 16:20:10 GMT -5
I really don't know how that would effect his play or not. Getting balls tipped at the line of scrimmage. I've heard this said many times by NFL QB's....that they throw in between pass rushers, not over them. But hey.....maybe a few more passes will be tipped. Brees gets balls tipped and he's thrown for more yards and TD's than any QB in history.
Having said that again...I have no idea if this kid is any good or not. Didn't look too good in the Alabama game.
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Post by Nite on Feb 8, 2019 16:23:35 GMT -5
If I'm trying to prove to NFL teams that Lock is not a 1st round pick, then this is the tape I would show them...
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Post by Speedman on Feb 8, 2019 16:30:01 GMT -5
Getting balls tipped at the line of scrimmage. I've heard this said many times by NFL QB's....that they throw in between pass rushers, not over them. But hey.....maybe a few more passes will be tipped. Brees gets balls tipped and he's thrown for more yards and TD's than any QB in history.
Having said that again...I have no idea if this kid is any good or not. Didn't look too good in the Alabama game.
Brees is really good at finding the throwing lanes. I don’t know about Lock either I just didn’t like his release point.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 8, 2019 17:15:50 GMT -5
Haskins will need to show me he can throw anywhere on the field
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 8, 2019 17:18:07 GMT -5
Lock had balls batted at the line about 4 times in those clips
That’s my main concern
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 8, 2019 20:22:16 GMT -5
Can you cite to a single scout, media talking head, etc., who thinks that Lock is a better prospect than both Haskins and Murray? I don't cater to what other writers think. They aren't scouts but since you asked... www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-qb-stock-watch-drew-lock-finishes-regular-season-as-top-quarterback-prospect/1. Drew Lock, QB, Missouri: Stock Steady Strengths: Huge arm. Capable of making throws with high velocity from arm angles. Loads of experience in the SEC. Good size. Quick release. Decently athletic for the quarterback spot. Aggressive to all areas of the field. There isn't a throw he thinks he can't make. Typically impressive throwing on the run. Possesses the ability to stand patiently in the pocket and survey the field while subtly drifting away from pressure. Can move through progressions. Weaknesses: Ball-placement can be spotty. Locking onto first read can lead to bad decisions or misreads of coverage. While pocket patience is there, he's not consistent with it and can prematurely leave clean pockets. I didn't read any scouting reports when writing my stuff...I do enjoy hearing what others think as I'm getting a bit better at scouting. What's crazy is how they say a lot of things similar to what I pointed out.....I'm the FIRST person to point out the flawed release openly.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 8, 2019 20:38:31 GMT -5
Can you cite to a single scout, media talking head, etc., who thinks that Lock is a better prospect than both Haskins and Murray? I don't cater to what other writers think. They aren't scouts but since you asked... www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-qb-stock-watch-drew-lock-finishes-regular-season-as-top-quarterback-prospect/1. Drew Lock, QB, Missouri: Stock Steady Strengths: Huge arm. Capable of making throws with high velocity from arm angles. Loads of experience in the SEC. Good size. Quick release. Decently athletic for the quarterback spot. Aggressive to all areas of the field. There isn't a throw he thinks he can't make. Typically impressive throwing on the run. Possesses the ability to stand patiently in the pocket and survey the field while subtly drifting away from pressure. Can move through progressions. Weaknesses: Ball-placement can be spotty. Locking onto first read can lead to bad decisions or misreads of coverage. While pocket patience is there, he's not consistent with it and can prematurely leave clean pockets. I didn't read any scouting reports when writing my stuff...I do enjoy hearing what others think as I'm getting a bit better at scouting. What's crazy is how they say a lot of things similar to what I pointed out.....I'm the FIRST person to point out the flawed release openly. Honestly, I don’t know what to think of this QB class. I could see the Giants having Lock as their highest rated QB. For some reason, though, I think that Gettleman will pass on a QB this year.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 8, 2019 20:44:36 GMT -5
I don't think any of them are stars. I don't even think we go QB round 1
PFF has us taking Lock, with the Broncos jumping in front for Haskins.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 5:11:27 GMT -5
Which, just goes to show how weak a class it is.
Just wait until the combine...the Lock express will be full steam ahead.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 9, 2019 7:48:30 GMT -5
Which, just goes to show how weak a class it is. Just wait until the combine...the Lock express will be full steam ahead. Lock=Grossman 2.0 Hard pass
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Post by TEM on Feb 9, 2019 8:05:13 GMT -5
Which, just goes to show how weak a class it is. Just wait until the combine...the Lock express will be full steam ahead. That is the problem . The combine is weighted too high as a metric of ability with some.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 3, 2019 13:47:35 GMT -5
They are saying he had the best on field workouts. More athletic than the rest. I stand behind my assessment. He is the only QB I'm interested besides Murray.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 3, 2019 19:56:08 GMT -5
I've heard this said many times by NFL QB's....that they throw in between pass rushers, not over them. But hey.....maybe a few more passes will be tipped. Brees gets balls tipped and he's thrown for more yards and TD's than any QB in history.
Having said that again...I have no idea if this kid is any good or not. Didn't look too good in the Alabama game.
Brees is really good at finding the throwing lanes. I don’t know about Lock either I just didn’t like his release point. Every QB, no matter how tall, has to find passing lanes...
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 5, 2019 20:52:23 GMT -5
<img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/bbcode/twitter-preview.png" tweet_url=" Just a hunch-and may become an old take exposed thing. And I may be reading between the lines too much/trying to tie tape to people but I can absolutely see the @giants drafting Lock. #NFLDraft — Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) March 5, 2019
<script async src=" platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>" alt="Twitter Placeholder"> I know some think I'm full of crap...but he is the best fit for us. No more mud foot QB's.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 5, 2019 21:28:09 GMT -5
I'm all in on Lock. I've been watching his tape and his game is closer to what Shurmur had on the Vikings in Keenum.
prototypical QB measurements. He throws well on the run and designed rollouts.
Out of all the other QB's you're salivating over, he actually had to play with some pressure in his face, unlike Haskins. He'll have a longer career than Kyler Murray and he's already better than Daniel Jones. Best fit for our offense out of that class.
Maybe we don't go QB, but if we could move back and still get him or Rosen... That is the best we can hope for IMO until next season.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 5, 2019 23:06:23 GMT -5
I'm all in on Lock. I've been watching his tape and his game is closer to what Shurmur had on the Vikings in Keenum. prototypical QB measurements. He throws well on the run and designed rollouts. Out of all the other QB's you're salivating over, he actually had to play with some pressure in his face, unlike Haskins. He'll have a longer career than Kyler Murray and he's already better than Daniel Jones. Best fit for our offense out of that class. Maybe we don't go QB, but if we could move back and still get him or Rosen... That is the best we can hope for IMO until next season. It could happen. I could definitely see Gettleman trying package something to grab a non hi profile name and then draft an OL and a ton of D. I think he wants D with the 6, so trying to get a pick wherever Lock is projected could happen. That's if he doesn't get lucky with a trade for a QB.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 6, 2019 9:17:48 GMT -5
<img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/bbcode/twitter-preview.png" tweet_url=" Just a hunch-and may become an old take exposed thing. And I may be reading between the lines too much/trying to tie tape to people but I can absolutely see the @giants drafting Lock. #NFLDraft — Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) March 5, 2019
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>" alt="Twitter Placeholder"> I know some think I'm full of crap...but he is the best fit for us. No more mud foot QB's. I agree with you Gee.He does everything well. His weakness are mechanical which coaches are paid to fix. He is a modern NFL QB.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 7, 2019 17:38:21 GMT -5
CBS sports has us taking Q Williams then trading back into the bottom of the first round for Drew Lock...
Our QB will be Lock or Rosen with Keenum as a wildcard.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 8, 2019 2:02:53 GMT -5
CBS sports has us taking Q Williams then trading back into the bottom of the first round for Drew Lock... Our QB will be Lock or Rosen with Keenum as a wildcard. I'm cool with that. Except the Keenum part.
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