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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 27, 2019 10:29:06 GMT -5
Dan Jones vs the ACC the last 2 years (no fluff teams) 6-10 54.3 Comp % 216 yards per game 21 Tds - 15 INTs A kid off the street could put up those numbers translates to probably 13 touchdowns and 30 INTs in the NFL 3-13 180 yards per game Not necessarily. He should have better talent around him on his team now. But the Defenses he goes against will be tougher too
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 27, 2019 10:29:27 GMT -5
I'm just going through the names that flew off the board in day 2 and Gettleman just completely screwed up this draft. I'm not saying that the 3 defensive players he picked are bad, they're all reasonable. But its the value top to bottom which is so badly wrong. Its widely known that the value in this draft were day 2 and there was little difference in ability basically from 15 right down through all of day 2. A smart GM like the Colts did, acquires the picks for day 2. Gettleman used the Odell pick on a nose tackle at 17 a premium pick when he likely would have been available later, he used valuable day 2 picks to move up to the first round to take a corner when there are plenty of comparable corners all in day 2. The most egregious decision is of course using the 6th pick to get Jones, which will end up setting back this franchise I have little doubt about that. But that aside, if he really wanted him, there was so many ways to acquire him. He could have moved down from 6, or taken Allen at 6 and moved up from 17. Even after making the franchise killing mistake he could have saved it by trading down from 17 and acquiring day 2 picks, or use 17 to get the best passrusher on the board! Look at the Broncos taking Lock in day 2, from what I hear Lock was the giants 1b....and he was taken in the second round. When you look at all this talent in day 2 there is no question Gettleman mis-read this draft in terms of value and manouverability. I really think he just shot from his gut and missed. Its just depressing. We can only hope he does better in day 3. Even still he really is out of touch with the modern NFL as GM of the Giants and should be relieved of his duties immediately. Why would you choose to be depressed? You control your feelings not the other way around. Unless you have decided to abdicate that responsibility to the football media, which seems an odd choice.
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Post by scoostraw on Apr 27, 2019 10:30:32 GMT -5
Which is also probably why we never see special editions of sports shows called “Reviewing the Results of our Previous Guesses”. I think we should start such programming.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 27, 2019 10:32:04 GMT -5
I'm just going through the names that flew off the board in day 2 and Gettleman just completely screwed up this draft.
you may think that but you dont know that. Its not fact.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 27, 2019 10:32:10 GMT -5
Which is also probably why we never see special editions of sports shows called “Reviewing the Results of our Previous Guesses”. I think we should start such programming. No one will watch. It might screw up the echo in the chamber. Although we do have exceedingly short memories so perhaps it may work after all.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 27, 2019 10:35:40 GMT -5
Watching this video, I cant help but hearing Eli Manning part 2. Amazing. They sound the same! Right down to the "Uuuhhhh"s. Excellent. I was worried that we were aiming for the high mediocrity group, which I am not a fan of. Half the league hangs out there, there’s nothing special about it.
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Post by shocknaweny on Apr 27, 2019 10:38:16 GMT -5
A kid off the street could put up those numbers translates to probably 13 touchdowns and 30 INTs in the NFL 3-13 180 yards per game Not necessarily. He should have better talent around him on his team now. But the Defenses he goes against will be tougher too I hope I am wrong but those College numbers are pretty Meh
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Post by redeyejedi on Apr 27, 2019 10:42:18 GMT -5
I'm just going through the names that flew off the board in day 2 and Gettleman just completely screwed up this draft. I'm not saying that the 3 defensive players he picked are bad, they're all reasonable. But its the value top to bottom which is so badly wrong. Its widely known that the value in this draft were day 2 and there was little difference in ability basically from 15 right down through all of day 2. A smart GM like the Colts did, acquires the picks for day 2. Gettleman used the Odell pick on a nose tackle at 17 a premium pick when he likely would have been available later, he used valuable day 2 picks to move up to the first round to take a corner when there are plenty of comparable corners all in day 2. The most egregious decision is of course using the 6th pick to get Jones, which will end up setting back this franchise I have little doubt about that. But that aside, if he really wanted him, there was so many ways to acquire him. He could have moved down from 6, or taken Allen at 6 and moved up from 17. Even after making the franchise killing mistake he could have saved it by trading down from 17 and acquiring day 2 picks, or use 17 to get the best passrusher on the board! Look at the Broncos taking Lock in day 2, from what I hear Lock was the giants 1b....and he was taken in the second round. When you look at all this talent in day 2 there is no question Gettleman mis-read this draft in terms of value and manouverability. I really think he just shot from his gut and missed. Its just depressing. We can only hope he does better in day 3. Even still he really is out of touch with the modern NFL as GM of the Giants and should be relieved of his duties immediately. Yep to all of this a terrible job of asset allocation no matter how good the players he picked turn out to be. The most Gettleman thing he did was to trade Snacks, the best run stuffing DT in the NFL, so he could take Dexter Lawrence, a player he one day hopes can be the best run stuffing DT in the NFL. WTF Man
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 27, 2019 10:46:37 GMT -5
Not necessarily. He should have better talent around him on his team now. But the Defenses he goes against will be tougher too I hope I am wrong but those College numbers are pretty Meh Trust me, me too. I'm trying hard to see the light with this pick.
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Post by shocknaweny on Apr 27, 2019 10:48:30 GMT -5
I like the kids mobility and that he can take off and run for a 1st down
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Post by PennState1 on Apr 27, 2019 11:06:02 GMT -5
340 pounds and a 3 down player. should be something, whats the bet? He will be in on plenty of third downs. All d-lines rotate so not sure what we are arguing here. He pushed the pocket into the QB's lap regularly. He is a perfect fit for this scheme. Plus we have to slow down Zeke, Guice and Howard/Sanders behind really good olines that just got better.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 27, 2019 23:31:20 GMT -5
I'm just going through the names that flew off the board in day 2 and Gettleman just completely screwed up this draft. I'm not saying that the 3 defensive players he picked are bad, they're all reasonable. But its the value top to bottom which is so badly wrong. Its widely known that the value in this draft were day 2 and there was little difference in ability basically from 15 right down through all of day 2. A smart GM like the Colts did, acquires the picks for day 2. Gettleman used the Odell pick on a nose tackle at 17 a premium pick when he likely would have been available later, he used valuable day 2 picks to move up to the first round to take a corner when there are plenty of comparable corners all in day 2. The most egregious decision is of course using the 6th pick to get Jones, which will end up setting back this franchise I have little doubt about that. But that aside, if he really wanted him, there was so many ways to acquire him. He could have moved down from 6, or taken Allen at 6 and moved up from 17. Even after making the franchise killing mistake he could have saved it by trading down from 17 and acquiring day 2 picks, or use 17 to get the best passrusher on the board! Look at the Broncos taking Lock in day 2, from what I hear Lock was the giants 1b....and he was taken in the second round. When you look at all this talent in day 2 there is no question Gettleman mis-read this draft in terms of value and manouverability. I really think he just shot from his gut and missed. Its just depressing. We can only hope he does better in day 3. Even still he really is out of touch with the modern NFL as GM of the Giants and should be relieved of his duties immediately. Yep to all of this a terrible job of asset allocation no matter how good the players he picked turn out to be. The most Gettleman thing he did was to trade Snacks, the best run stuffing DT in the NFL, so he could take Dexter Lawrence, a player he one day hopes can be the best run stuffing DT in the NFL. WTF Man That's looking like straight dump. Rightly or wrongly, I think Gettelman had Harrison in the culture problem bucket.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 27, 2019 23:31:45 GMT -5
I like the kids mobility and that he can take off and run for a 1st down Just like Eli!
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 1, 2019 16:56:50 GMT -5
Instead of making a new thread Ill just drop this on my sweet thread here although Im sure Ill get called a whiner. Or a wiener. Or both.
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Post by shocknaweny on May 1, 2019 17:03:10 GMT -5
Instead of making a new thread Ill just drop this on my sweet thread here although Im sure Ill get called a whiner. Or a wiener. Or both. I just do not understand why Dave could not hold his water....worst case scenario you get a QB with a rocket arm like Drew Lock in Round 2
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Post by GameTime on May 1, 2019 17:04:16 GMT -5
Instead of making a new thread Ill just drop this on my sweet thread here although Im sure Ill get called a whiner. Or a wiener. Or both. Much of the sports media before the draft: “Dave Gettleman needs to pick his QB at 6 and not get cute” Most of the sports media after the draft: “Dave Gettleman should have waited to take Jones” I know they need stuff to talk about but this stuff is amusing.
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Post by moecoastie on May 1, 2019 17:07:12 GMT -5
Anyone who calls for DGs job based on pretend scouting reports written by pretend scouts presented by pretend analysts is a moron! Get a damn clue people!
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Post by Nite on May 1, 2019 17:07:52 GMT -5
Anyone who calls for DGs job based on pretend scouting reports written by pretend scouts presented by pretend analysts is a moron! Get a damn clue people! Thats a Saquan!
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 1, 2019 17:13:48 GMT -5
Anyone who calls for DGs job based on pretend scouting reports written by pretend scouts presented by pretend analysts is a moron! Get a damn clue people! DG sucks. You just dont know it yet! Blind faith! Lol
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 17:15:44 GMT -5
Anyone who calls for DGs job based on pretend scouting reports written by pretend scouts presented by pretend analysts is a moron! Get a damn clue people! DG sucks. You just dont know it yet! Blind faith! Lol uh oh.....seems like someone is regressing.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 1, 2019 17:18:38 GMT -5
Anyone who calls for DGs job based on pretend scouting reports written by pretend scouts presented by pretend analysts is a moron! Get a damn clue people! You might as well just call me a piece of shit! I dare ya! :-)
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Post by Delicreep on May 1, 2019 17:43:03 GMT -5
Anyone who calls for DGs job based on pretend scouting reports written by pretend scouts presented by pretend analysts is a moron! Get a damn clue people! DG sucks. You just dont know it yet! Blind faith! Lol I will probably be a little less gentle this time: you are aware that you have a habit of going out of your way to try and show how right you are, aren't you? You bumped a 3 month old thread on Odell being traded just so you could say you were right. You never posted a single "what did you think of SB performance today" thread until he had a bad game. You dismiss any analyst or pundit who likes the Jones move, almost always discrediting them as you do so. It's blind faith to trust DG and the scouting department, because you disagree with them, and there can't be any rational reason for disagreeing with you. 2,700. That's my rough estimate for the number of posts you will make telling us all how right you are before the judgement is in on Jones. If I can get the entire board, including FBomb to just say your right and DG was wrong, do you think you would be willing to cut the 2,700 posts down to a less staggering 800? That's still almost 1 a day, which I think is fair.
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Post by Nite on May 1, 2019 17:52:15 GMT -5
Anyone who calls for DGs job based on pretend scouting reports written by pretend scouts presented by pretend analysts is a moron! Get a damn clue people! DG sucks. You just dont know it yet! Blind faith! Lol
I have no idea why I gave you a Saquan but here it is..... (not to be confused with Whooop there is it..)
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 1, 2019 18:07:37 GMT -5
DG sucks. You just dont know it yet! Blind faith! Lol I will probably be a little less gentle this time: you are aware that you have a habit of going out of your way to try and show how right you are, aren't you? You bumped a 3 month old thread on Odell being traded just so you could say you were right. Wrong. I bumped a thread so I could put new news about DG post draftYou never posted a single "what did you think of SB performance today" thread until he had a bad game. Wrong. I started it and continued it through the season even after his good games.You dismiss any analyst or pundit who likes the Jones move, almost always discrediting them as you do so. Wrong. Go look at my previous posts on several pro Jones threads where I talk about his positives I like. It's blind faith to trust DG and the scouting department, because you disagree with them, and there can't be any rational reason for disagreeing with you. Wrong. Its blind faith because its blind faith. He hasnt won us anything yet and has made many questionable moves.
2,700. Wrong. 37,842That's my rough estimate for the number of posts you will make telling us all how right you are before the judgement is in on Jones. If I can get the entire board, including FBomb to just say your right and DG was wrong, do you think you would be willing to cut the 2,700 posts down to a less staggering 800? That's still almost 1 a day, which I think is fair. Too bad this wasnt to judge DG on that last bump. Just posting tweets. Informative against your narrative tweets that actually have validity to them. I decided not to make another thread and keep it in my DG sucks thread. You know you enjoy it Deli. AND WE STILL COULD HAVE HAD ROSEN!
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Post by spaceweather on May 1, 2019 18:27:40 GMT -5
Instead of making a new thread Ill just drop this on my sweet thread here although Im sure Ill get called a whiner. Or a wiener. Or both. Much of the sports media before the draft: “Dave Gettleman needs to pick his QB at 6 and not get cute” Most of the sports media after the draft: “Dave Gettleman should have waited to take Jones” I know they need stuff to talk about but this stuff is amusing. Well literally no one said Jones was worth the number 6 pick. I believe they were talking about Haskins/Murray or trading for Rosen which yes, he still should have done that in my opinion.
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Post by GameTime on May 1, 2019 18:33:03 GMT -5
Much of the sports media before the draft: “Dave Gettleman needs to pick his QB at 6 and not get cute” Most of the sports media after the draft: “Dave Gettleman should have waited to take Jones” I know they need stuff to talk about but this stuff is amusing. Well literally no one said Jones was worth the number 6 pick. I believe they were talking about Haskins/Murray or trading for Rosen which yes, he still should have done that in my opinion. so they pre judged their pick for DG and then told he was wrong....ok. I guess thats a good explanation. Look I get all the chatter but as I keep saying DG and Shurmur are risking their reps and jobs with this pick, They must be very sure of it......right or wrong.
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Post by southerner on May 1, 2019 19:04:41 GMT -5
Well literally no one said Jones was worth the number 6 pick. I believe they were talking about Haskins/Murray or trading for Rosen which yes, he still should have done that in my opinion. so they pre judged their pick for DG and then told he was wrong....ok. I guess thats a good explanation. Look I get all the chatter but as I keep saying DG and Shurmur are risking their reps and jobs with this pick, They must be very sure of it......right or wrong. That is the case for every GM and coach that take a QB in the first half of Round 1.
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Post by TCHOF on May 1, 2019 19:28:54 GMT -5
Instead of making a new thread Ill just drop this on my sweet thread here although Im sure Ill get called a whiner. Or a wiener. Or both. Plenty of people are saying otherwise. Why does this even matter? If Jones is your guy, you take him at 6. It’s an irrefutable point regardless of whether any team would admit after the fact (obviously no team would) that they would have taken Jones or traded up ahead of the Giants to get him.
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Post by TAILGATIN on May 1, 2019 19:47:14 GMT -5
Most ridiculous thread ever and this happens every draft. It’s throwing turds at the wall to see what sticks. A college resume don’t mean anything in the NFL. Some first rounders bust big time, some UDFAs shine. Just saying everyone who things they know what they’re taking about is full of it, myself included. Carry on
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 1, 2019 20:00:02 GMT -5
Most ridiculous thread ever and this happens every draft. It’s throwing turds at the wall to see what sticks. A college resume don’t mean anything in the NFL. Some first rounders bust big time, some UDFAs shine. Just saying everyone who things they know what they’re taking about is full of it, myself included. Carry on This thread was about him sending Odell packing for the 17th pick to start.
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