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Post by jay051 on Dec 30, 2019 12:18:02 GMT -5
So funny, enjoy this thread and the initials rants against Gettleman back in March....now his moves look genius. Gettleman gets a King’s ransom for OBJ, then drafts a WR in the 5th round who outperforms Odell, plus he isn’t hurt every week like Odell. Hard to understand why anybody would want Gettleman fired.....thankfully it is very clear Mara and Tisch want him around for as long as he is willing...Unlike many on this message board they know how well Gettleman has done. Pretty sure Slayton was hurt more than Odell this year. Besides TDs Odell had the better year so there are basic facts and the things you are incorrectly stating.. Shhh....just look at the source. He has some weird obsession with Odell. Nothing new there honestly.
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Post by jay051 on Dec 30, 2019 12:20:57 GMT -5
Actually everything I said was exactly right....and your thought on Gettleman....Wrong again. Keep trying though. Oh, ok. Well I'm entertained Damn....He batted 0-3 with that one. You guys are ruthless bringing up old post. Lol.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 12:21:09 GMT -5
Boo this man! Mara is clueless. I did hear on the radio though that Gettleman might lose some responsibility with the team. Restricting him from certain functions. Not sure of the details however. they're probably not going to let him spend the cap space wad. He's a walking wounded GM, what would a walking wounded GM do with that much cap space? Play it smart knowing you're not one year away from being a contender, or throw the future on the fire to win as many games as you can in 2020? whats interesting is Gettleman agreeing to terms of any kind. The trouble with limiting GMs from making the decisions they want is you're now evaluating them based on things that are outside of their control. Trust them or don't trust them. I hate this half pregnant stuff. If i was Gettleman i'd prefer to be fired than to get training wheels put on. I agree completely. Although I haven’t read anything so far the indicates this will happen. Sounds like just some noise out of the peanut gallery.
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Post by jay051 on Dec 30, 2019 12:22:53 GMT -5
Actually everything I said was exactly right....and your thought on Gettleman....Wrong again. Keep trying though. Oh, ok. Well I'm entertained
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 30, 2019 12:23:06 GMT -5
Damn....He batted 0-3 with that one. You guys are ruthless bringing up old post. Lol. Meh, I swing and miss too on predictions. We all do. I'm still waiting on Josh Rosen to come through! Just don't act all high and mighty and not expect the knockdown.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 30, 2019 12:23:13 GMT -5
they're probably not going to let him spend the cap space wad. He's a walking wounded GM, what would a walking wounded GM do with that much cap space? Play it smart knowing you're not one year away from being a contender, or throw the future on the fire to win as many games as you can in 2020? whats interesting is Gettleman agreeing to terms of any kind. The trouble with limiting GMs from making the decisions they want is you're now evaluating them based on things that are outside of their control. Trust them or don't trust them. I hate this half pregnant stuff. If i was Gettleman i'd prefer to be fired than to get training wheels put on. I highly doubt DG will be restricted in any way. They would have just fired him if they werent happy with some aspect of his work, and both Mara and Tisch released strong statements of support for him. John Mara said the exact same thing the year before he fired Jerry Reese. “But I still believe Jerry is the right guy to lead us going forward,” Mara said
Firing a head coach and GM again in 3 years is not the Mara way. Gettleman would of had to punch babies and light a house on fire to get canned. And his drafts have not been that bad. But, another losing season he will be fired. And that means a new head coach with a new GM the following year. Not a good recipe for success in this league. nypost.com/2016/01/05/john-mara-why-reese-gets-second-chance-coughlin-didnt/amp/
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 12:23:25 GMT -5
Boo this man! Mara is clueless. I did hear on the radio though that Gettleman might lose some responsibility with the team. Restricting him from certain functions. Not sure of the details however. I choose to laugh at this point. Mara and Gettleman really do seem clueless as to what it takes to build a winner in 2020. They’re in good company here.
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Post by jay051 on Dec 30, 2019 12:24:06 GMT -5
Damn....He batted 0-3 with that one. You guys are ruthless bringing up old post. Lol. Meh, I swing and miss too on predictions. We all do. I'm still waiting on Josh Rosen to come through! Just don't act all high and mighty and not expect the knockdown. Exactly. We all do. At least we admit when we are wrong.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 30, 2019 12:26:02 GMT -5
I highly doubt DG will be restricted in any way. They would have just fired him if they werent happy with some aspect of his work, and both Mara and Tisch released strong statements of support for him. John Mara said the exact same thing the year before he fired Jerry Reese. “But I still believe Jerry is the right guy to lead us going forward,” Mara said
Firing a head coach and GM again in 3 years is not the Mara way. Gettleman would of had to punch babies and light a house on fire to get canned. And his drafts have not been that bad. But, another losing season he will be fired. And that means a new head coach with a new GM the following year. Not a good recipe for success in this league. He has had 2 drafts here. 2018s draft is starting to look bad. Outside of Barkley, which is still debatable on if it was the right choice, Hernandez has fallen off a cliff, Carter and Hill are great at disappearing, and the rest is a question.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 30, 2019 12:27:59 GMT -5
I highly doubt DG will be restricted in any way. They would have just fired him if they werent happy with some aspect of his work, and both Mara and Tisch released strong statements of support for him. John Mara said the exact same thing the year before he fired Jerry Reese. “But I still believe Jerry is the right guy to lead us going forward,” Mara said
Firing a head coach and GM again in 3 years is not the Mara way. Gettleman would of had to punch babies and light a house on fire to get canned. And his drafts have not been that bad. But, another losing season he will be fired. And that means a new head coach with a new GM the following year. Not a good recipe for success in this league. Agreed. I get firing both DG and PS (i don't think that's a good idea, but i get it) I get keeping both DG and PS (that wouldn't 'feel good', but it starts to clean up the reputation you got from the McAdoo/Eli mess) But firing PS and keeping DG doesn't make sense to me. Its a sad day when Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder look like more patient/competent owners than Mara/Tisch.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 30, 2019 12:28:04 GMT -5
John Mara said the exact same thing the year before he fired Jerry Reese. “But I still believe Jerry is the right guy to lead us going forward,” Mara said
Firing a head coach and GM again in 3 years is not the Mara way. Gettleman would of had to punch babies and light a house on fire to get canned. And his drafts have not been that bad. But, another losing season he will be fired. And that means a new head coach with a new GM the following year. Not a good recipe for success in this league. He has had 2 drafts here. 2018s draft is starting to look bad. Outside of Barkley, which is still debatable on if it was the right choice, Hernandez has fallen off a cliff, Carter and Hill are great at disappearing, and the rest is a question. You won’t get an argument from me. I think he’s straight trash. Some of his drafts have been good though, Slayton, Connely, Jones, Lawrence, etc. But overall I think he’s part of the problem, unfortunately the Giants are not ready to make that move.. Yet.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 12:28:09 GMT -5
The title to this article might as well be atmospheric space dust might have an impact on the next Giants HC. There is literally nothing of substance in that guy’s thought piece.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 30, 2019 12:29:15 GMT -5
The title to this article might as well be atmospheric space dust might have an impact on the next Giants HC. There is literally nothing of substance in that guy’s thought piece. Haha. You come up with some brilliant stuff sometimes.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 12:29:24 GMT -5
Mara is a bigger f***ing disaster than I feared for pulling this predictable move again. Canning HC while keeping an incompetent GM only to fire the GM and mismatch them with HC or can the coach to fit their needs.... absolute travesty They have to be a package deal.... Gettleman, Shurmur, Bettcher, and Hal Hunter should have all gotten canned if not more. I have no faith in this team at the moment and I’m legitimately unable to decide which team I’m more optimistic about the Knicks or Giants because they’re both pathetically run with no sign of change Why do they have to be a package deal?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 30, 2019 12:29:42 GMT -5
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Post by McCherry on Dec 30, 2019 12:30:11 GMT -5
Other than Rhule who we already know wants full control, this story makes no case why a coach wouldn't come here. This is the definition of click bait.
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Post by jay051 on Dec 30, 2019 12:31:05 GMT -5
He has had 2 drafts here. 2018s draft is starting to look bad. Outside of Barkley, which is still debatable on if it was the right choice, Hernandez has fallen off a cliff, Carter and Hill are great at disappearing, and the rest is a question. You won’t get an argument from me. I think he’s straight trash. Some of his drafts have been good though, Slayton, Connely, Jones, Lawrence, etc. But overall I think he’s part of the problem, unfortunately the Giants are not ready to make that move.. Yet. The Jones pick saved him for now.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 30, 2019 12:32:12 GMT -5
Other than Rhule who we already know wants full control, this story makes no case why a coach wouldn't come here. This is the definition of click bait. I think we all know Gettleman comes off as a douche. He is blunt, and shoots from the hip wildly. This may be what some refer to as coaches not wanting to deal with.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 30, 2019 12:34:14 GMT -5
You won’t get an argument from me. I think he’s straight trash. Some of his drafts have been good though, Slayton, Connely, Jones, Lawrence, etc. But overall I think he’s part of the problem, unfortunately the Giants are not ready to make that move.. Yet. The Jones pick saved him for now. I agree. It gave him time, but next year the rope Mara has given him will get tighter around his neck with every loss. That’s why I fear he will gamble and go after free agents to win immediately. Instead of investing wisely on key players. I want us to get better just as much as the next guy, but don’t just back the brink’s truck to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 12:34:51 GMT -5
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Post by jay051 on Dec 30, 2019 12:36:13 GMT -5
The Jones pick saved him for now. I agree. It gave him time, but next year the rope Mara has given him will get tighter around his neck with every loss. That’s why I fear he will gamble and go after free agents to win immediately. Instead of investing wisely on key players. I want us to get better just as much as the next guy, but don’t just back t money truck to every Tom, Dick and Harry. Hmmm. Sounds like another ex GM I know that went that route.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 30, 2019 12:36:40 GMT -5
So much for the theory that the owner hires the GM and HC separately. Seems like the GM helps with the HC hire. I'm shocked Rivera wasnt more involved.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 30, 2019 12:37:02 GMT -5
Awesome. The Three Stooges will find our new replacement.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 12:37:45 GMT -5
Other than Rhule who we already know wants full control, this story makes no case why a coach wouldn't come here. This is the definition of click bait. I think we all know Gettleman comes off as a douche. He is blunt, and shoots from the hip wildly. This may be what some refer to as coaches not wanting to deal with. I can absolutely see that but the reality is that it’s just some jocksniffers speculation based on his extensive non existent direct experience in the NFL.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 30, 2019 12:38:59 GMT -5
I think we all know Gettleman comes off as a douche. He is blunt, and shoots from the hip wildly. This may be what some refer to as coaches not wanting to deal with. I can absolutely see that but the reality is that it’s just some jocksniffers speculation based on his extensive non existent direct experience in the NFL. I agree. But I definitely would not be shocked if there is some truth there.
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 30, 2019 12:40:33 GMT -5
So funny, enjoy this thread and the initials rants against Gettleman back in March....now his moves look genius. Gettleman gets a King’s ransom for OBJ, then drafts a WR in the 5th round who outperforms Odell, plus he isn’t hurt every week like Odell. Hard to understand why anybody would want Gettleman fired.....thankfully it is very clear Mara and Tisch want him around for as long as he is willing...Unlike many on this message board they know how well Gettleman has done. The OBJ trade was the best move Gettleman made but he's made huge mistakes since obtaining the job. The funny thing is Gettleman's best move was made by accident. Only traded him because Beckham was embarrassing the organization and forced his way out. Meanwhile, Tisch was defending Odell to the Paparazzi in Hollywood. I thought signing Beckham to begin with was a mistake. ---- 1. Gettleman believed the team was good enough to "win now" with Eli manning. He called the narrative of those who questioned Eli's skills at 37-38 years old a "crock"........Gettleman was very wrong, the decision set the team back years. He should be fired for this alone but Mara agreed with him on it. Both Wrong. Dumb and Dumber. 2. Dug the team into the hole with roster mismanagement so bad, tens of millions of dead money against cap. 3. Bringing in washed up players - Jonathan Stewart, Bethea, Omameh etc. 4. Making Nate Solder the highest paid offensive lineman in the league. 5. Trading away draft picks for a run-stuffer mid-season (Williams) during a rebuild year. 6. Gave away Eli Apple and Jenkins even though our secondary is the worst unit on the team. 7. Reaching on draft picks. 8. 1990s drafting philosophy of "Run the ball, Stop the run, Pressure the Passer." Dave obviously forgets "cover the receiver". 9. Disbelief in analytics 10. Drafted a QB #6, after Mara said he hopes Eli plays the hole season and thought we could win this year. What happened to "win now?" 11. Stubborn and overconfident demeanor...did not strike as intelligent as Pat Shurmur. 12. Hog Mollies? More like Hog Follies. 13. Drafting a RB at #2...did not field offers for trades. Called it a "no-brainer". In a way... I agree with that 14. Traded away more draft picks for Ogletree when we should have been rebuilding. Ogletree hasn't lived up to his contract.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 30, 2019 12:40:52 GMT -5
Mara is a bigger f***ing disaster than I feared for pulling this predictable move again. Canning HC while keeping an incompetent GM only to fire the GM and mismatch them with HC or can the coach to fit their needs.... absolute travesty They have to be a package deal.... Gettleman, Shurmur, Bettcher, and Hal Hunter should have all gotten canned if not more. I have no faith in this team at the moment and I’m legitimately unable to decide which team I’m more optimistic about the Knicks or Giants because they’re both pathetically run with no sign of change Why do they have to be a package deal? I don't understand this either. Does every GM get fired with their first coaching selection? Sometimes you miss. Nobody fired George Young over the disastrous hirings of Handley, Reeves, Fassel. There is no guaranteed formula.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 30, 2019 12:41:20 GMT -5
So much for the theory that the owner hires the GM and HC separately. Seems like the GM helps with the HC hire. I'm shocked Rivera wasnt more involved. If there is any reasonable organization structure, DG picks the HC candidates, interviews, and then is involved in the short list that Mara/Tisch (maybe just mara?) interviews. DG makes a recommendation that ownership agrees with or doesn't and the internal arm wrestling begins. That press release seems like its designed to calm down people that wish DG was fired. To me there's nothing here that is any different than any other normal NFL franchise (jones/snyder land excluded) uses for the same process.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 30, 2019 12:41:27 GMT -5
Per Albert Breer Gttlemen has been restructuring the Giants and modernizing their front office. Mara says the same thing they are looking for a coach who can help them with this restructure he says they use analytics more then ever before. I believe him.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 30, 2019 13:35:56 GMT -5
I can absolutely see that but the reality is that it’s just some jocksniffers speculation based on his extensive non existent direct experience in the NFL. I agree. But I definitely would not be shocked if there is some truth there. True but that's a frighteningly low bar for reporting, no?
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