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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 12, 2019 21:03:46 GMT -5
What do you mean. This is what many Giants fans wanted No it isn't. Odell should have brought back high 1st round picks. Top 10ers. Only getting the #17 is a joke. Who cares about the 3rd or Peppers. I agree; nearly no Giant fan wanted this but there's much more to that. Meanwhile, I hate this move but if you're gonna trade him, you have to get a top 5 first rounder,
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 12, 2019 21:05:31 GMT -5
"Only" a 1st, 3rd, and a 1st round safety? Gettleman orchestrated a robbery, he should be nominated as executive of the year for his brilliant off-season work so far. Beckham is a diva, injury-prone WR who can't finish a season. Sometimes it seems like he prefers the trainer's table to the football field. "Bruised leg"? We used to make fun of other teams who employed players like that. I'm glad Gettleman is bringing back the Giants of old! The Giants got more for Odell than the Steelers did for AB. In fairness, Brown while a better WR had a lot more baggage that hurt his trade value.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 12, 2019 21:15:03 GMT -5
The Giants got more for Odell than the Steelers did for AB. In fairness, Brown while a better WR had a lot more baggage that hurt his trade value. *age difference 26 vs 31
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 12, 2019 21:19:00 GMT -5
And who do they throw it to? We have four # 5picks. Ours, Cleveland(OV), COMP. pick and Snacjs. So you are expecting a 5th round pick to replace what Beckham does?
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 12, 2019 21:23:21 GMT -5
In fairness, Brown while a better WR had a lot more baggage that hurt his trade value. *age difference 26 vs 31 So you're violently agreeing with me?
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 12, 2019 21:25:23 GMT -5
Gettleman is reinventing the wheel. You don’t win with talented players, you win with draft picks and a dream.
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Post by imgrate on Mar 12, 2019 21:25:38 GMT -5
So you're violently agreeing with me? And also didnt need to extend Odell once trading for him. He's barely hitting their books.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Mar 12, 2019 21:26:07 GMT -5
Never wanted Beckham signed long term anyway......im happy as heck!!! Beckham never helped us win anything, i dont see what the big deal is? Seaver to Cincinnati is still more shocking, and Phil getting released still stung more. Get off the friggin ledge people! Jeez
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Post by lt56 on Mar 12, 2019 21:26:26 GMT -5
Slow Down! Lets wait and see how he Drafts! I trust Gettleman Drafting more than I do his Trades and Free Agent Signings lol We can find another #1 Receiver, won't be as exciting as Beckham but I think we will be fine Lol So we need to find a #1 WR, QB and entire defense. lol Yeah does sound ridiculous to say "We Need A #1 Receiver" after trading one of the best ones in the NFL but Hey we here now unfortunately
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Post by imgrate on Mar 12, 2019 21:28:28 GMT -5
Not this one... it sucks... ADD a BIG HOLE at WR... now another position of need... a play maker WR... predictability reinvented... Since when has Gettlemen cared about the holes in the roster? As long as you have hog mollies you’re okay. People have been obsessing about the OL. You got your wish. No other positions matter Seriously, for years people were crying about needing a run game, linebackers and OL. Well this is what it costs to get one, it costs having shitty players at positions that actually matter, and a whole lot less wins. Our downfall was due to Eli needing perfect conditions for success and a lack of a pass rush. Not the OL or run game. You pay a QB that much money, you cant expect to have stars across the board. QB and pass rush, everything else can be a hodge podge and we have neither of those two.
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Post by Helmet on Mar 12, 2019 21:32:53 GMT -5
this is what makes no sense
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Post by smitty on Mar 12, 2019 21:42:56 GMT -5
I don’t hate this trade. In fact, I like it. We got a 1 a 3 and a starting safety under a rookie contract.
I think that DG realized that OBJ and SB could not coexist for long, especially in the direction DG envisions for the team. I honestly don’t even believe OBJ would’ve endured the development of a new QB. He was signed to shield DG’s desire to move him. Compared to AB’s situation in Pittsburgh, apparently that strategy worked.
We will obviously need an impact receiver, but we have Shepard and Engram, who will be converted to a big target receiver, both still under rookie contracts. Both who appear to be a team first guy. Odell has a few years to establish himself as a team guy. He failed to do so, and unlike AB, he could not keep himself on the field consistently. Also, OBJ’s biggest deficiency, besides his attitude, was his inability to contest for balls consistently. He’s lightning fast, but he’s smallish and relatively soft in that regard. He needs to be open and would struggle against good defensive zone teams.
The Patriots make a living on rookie contracts and lower-priced free agent veterans. I expect DG to try to set a similar standard. I understand that the absence of a threatening passing game will hinder SB, but ai now expect a WR in the draft and the Giants to try to become a run team. Barkley excelled all in his own last year and he should be the focus of the offense. He is also a total team first guy.
DG has his first FA splash last year, with mostly misses, but if Aolder ends up panning out, I can live with the misses on Omameh and Stewart.
We got a top 20 first round pick, a third rounder we didn’t have and a good starting safety for Odell, only suffering one year with a cap hit and not having to endure his contract or his attitude going forward.
It seems like a win to me.
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Post by ctgiantsfan on Mar 12, 2019 21:47:01 GMT -5
Guys did you ever thing Dave Gettlemen has an axe to grind with the Giants as Jerry Reese got the job over him when Accorsi stepped down. This guy is a bum. I was not against trading obj but the compensation needed to be a much higher pick or more picks. He has single handedly destroyed the Giants. And he still wont draft a qb and play Eli this year??? for what????????? I have been a Giants fan for 4 decades and I am shocked that this guy has been allowed to make the moves he has in such an incompetent fashion. He doesn't get value for any of our best free agents. He needs to be fired and Mara needs to sell this team!!!!!! I am so pissed off I can barely contain myself
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Post by cruzsoldier on Mar 12, 2019 21:50:51 GMT -5
I bet we're cutting Eli at this point. I think it absolutely makes no sense to pay him that 6 million dollars when he sucks with Beckham and now he will suck even more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:54:38 GMT -5
Trading draft picks for HOF players just entering their prime.
Sounds about right in like with my expectations for Gettlemen. Bum
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:55:19 GMT -5
Trading draft picks for HOF players just entering their prime. Sounds about right in like with my expectations for Gettlemen. Bum I did like peppers a lot as a RB coming out. We got a viable backup to Saquon fellas.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 12, 2019 22:03:07 GMT -5
They didn't like OBJ's baggage, signed him anyway, got buyer's remorse, and undid the deal.
All this "why didn't you do this last year" stuff is garbage. They took a shot: keeping Eli was not a mistake but they miscalculated what's left in his tank which is vapors, Barkley was a HATED move by a huge portion of the fanbase that won't admit they got that wrong (Rosen has already emerged as not worth the pick spent on him, how many more of the Biblical 4 QBs from last year will end up in that pile?), so now they're doing what i think you need to do when you make a mistake: change your strategy.
This is the change, and it gives this team flexibility it hasn't had in 10 years. And it needs it right now because we haven't been two pieces away from anything for years. Time to wake up.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 12, 2019 22:11:51 GMT -5
They didn't like OBJ's baggage, signed him anyway, got buyer's remorse, and undid the deal. All this "why didn't you do this last year" stuff is garbage. They took a shot: keeping Eli was not a mistake but they miscalculated what's left in his tank which is vapors, Barkley was a HATED move by a huge portion of the fanbase that won't admit they got that wrong (Rosen has already emerged as not worth the pick spent on him, how many more of the Biblical 4 QBs from last year will end up in that pile?), so now they're doing what i think you need to do when you make a mistake: change your strategy. This is the change, and it gives this team flexibility it hasn't had in 10 years. And it needs it right now because we haven't been two pieces away from anything for years. Time to wake up. There is so much wrong in this post.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 12, 2019 22:20:01 GMT -5
So you're violently agreeing with me? And also didnt need to extend Odell once trading for him. He's barely hitting their books. True; we'll see.
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Post by giants8493 on Mar 12, 2019 22:21:28 GMT -5
So the Giants now have two #1 and a #2 and #3 and I think a #4 and two number 5's . Fix the defense and take a QB next year. They need to fix the offense now too. Shep is the #1 WR... Saquon Barkley is the number one receiver now. He is going to be featured as much as any rubbing back in the history of the NFL
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 12, 2019 22:23:16 GMT -5
They didn't like OBJ's baggage, signed him anyway, got buyer's remorse, and undid the deal. All this "why didn't you do this last year" stuff is garbage. They took a shot: keeping Eli was not a mistake but they miscalculated what's left in his tank which is vapors, Barkley was a HATED move by a huge portion of the fanbase that won't admit they got that wrong (Rosen has already emerged as not worth the pick spent on him, how many more of the Biblical 4 QBs from last year will end up in that pile?), so now they're doing what i think you need to do when you make a mistake: change your strategy. This is the change, and it gives this team flexibility it hasn't had in 10 years. And it needs it right now because we haven't been two pieces away from anything for years. Time to wake up. There is so much wrong in this post. i don't shy aware from learning. help me understand.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 12, 2019 22:23:41 GMT -5
They need to fix the offense now too. Shep is the #1 WR... Saquon Barkley is the number one receiver now. He is going to be featured as much as any rubbing back in the history of the NFL Until he gets hurt from touching the ball 40 times a game.
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Post by mj312 on Mar 12, 2019 22:25:53 GMT -5
Don’t worry guys
“ WE DIDNT SIGN ODELL TRADE HIM”
Gettleman you are a liar . If a miracle doesn’t happen you will be more hated then Reese for this . What a complete waste.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 12, 2019 22:26:26 GMT -5
There is so much wrong in this post. i don't shy aware from learning. help me understand. If they didnt like OBJs baggage and signed him to the biggest WR contract in the NFL anyway, because the Patriots were interested in him (reportedly) so if they like him we must be wrong, then the GM should be cleaning out the urinals in the stadium rather than cleaning out the lockers. Keeping Eli was proven yet again to be a mistake. I dont know how many bad seasons of him we need to see before people know that. He should have been released when Coughlin was let go (who should have been Reese by the way). Barkley still might not be the right choice. Until he is on a winning team, its always debatable. Phenomenal talent, like Odell, but on losing teams. Obviously Odell wasnt the right choice. We certainly didnt win much with him which is the goal. Winning is everything. Stats are for fantasies. Bashing Rosen... He was set up to fail by that organization who might be the only organization in the NFL worse than ours right now. They fired a 1 year coach. Rosen had the worst OLine and zero weapons and throw to the wolves. Changed his OC mid year too. No chance. This is the change, sure. Its a bad change. We are worse now than we were last year. Offensively and Defensively. Should have gotten more for Odell. #17 pick isnt a good deal especially with the cap hit.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 12, 2019 22:27:20 GMT -5
Don’t worry guys “ WE DIDNT SIGN ODELL TRADE HIM” Gettleman you are a liar . If a miracle doesn’t happen you will be more hated then Reese for this . What a complete waste. I wonder when he has his presser. He can talk about his kwaterbacks and mollies.
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Post by Miked1958 on Mar 12, 2019 22:29:39 GMT -5
Signed TheAnalyst You ****ing schmuck. You only got a 1st and 3rd and J Peppers? WTF is wrong with this man!? Trade Odell and keep Eli?! Our rebuild just got extended until 2022. His value got driven down a lot by Steelers only getting a 3rd & and 5th for a healthy A. Brown
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 12, 2019 22:29:58 GMT -5
And another thing, if DG was trading Odell, why didnt he try to land DJax who the Eagles just got back cheap?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 12, 2019 22:31:01 GMT -5
Signed TheAnalyst You ****ing schmuck. You only got a 1st and 3rd and J Peppers? WTF is wrong with this man!? Trade Odell and keep Eli?! Our rebuild just got extended until 2022. value hot driven down a lot by Steelers only getting a 3rd & and 5th for a healthy A. Brown People keep saying that. OBJ is 26 years old! AB will be 31! You arent getting much for a 31 year old WR on a huge contract. By the time OBJs contract expires he will almost be younger than Brown right now!
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Post by giants8493 on Mar 12, 2019 22:32:09 GMT -5
Saquon Barkley is the number one receiver now. He is going to be featured as much as any rubbing back in the history of the NFL Until he gets hurt from touching the ball 40 times a game. He is going to need to be a super human... But it's possible Gettleman and shurmer thinks he is.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 12, 2019 22:32:10 GMT -5
And another thing, if DG was trading Odell, why didnt he try to land DJax who the Eagles just got back cheap? Cultchah
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