amarth
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Post by amarth on Jul 20, 2018 13:14:40 GMT -5
Which moves of his did you feel were questionable? Signing Stewart for one. I don’t want to hear the leadership bs, when we have a lot of positions to fill, little depth and drafted a RB second overall, that was the last position we needed to address. Letting Cockrell go was dumb. He wasn’t great but neither is Solder. He added depth and was better than what we have now. We also could have got Fleming on the cheap who can not only play both tackle positions and would have been a big upgrade over Flowers.[/quote] Cockrell got 3.5M/year, Beal 700K. We are at the limit of our cap. Gettleman did a great job getting talent with the limited cap left after Reese's departure.[/quote] Stewart was more like a luxury pick which is exactly what we don’t need, he wasn’t a position of need. Who’s going to win us more games, a proven FG kicker or Stewart. I’ll go out on a limb and say the FG kicker.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 20, 2018 14:20:30 GMT -5
Fair enough. Were there any proven FG available as FAs when Stewart was signed?
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 20, 2018 15:38:24 GMT -5
Which moves of his did you feel were questionable? The Stewart signing looks worse now after they drafted Barkley, but I doubt they knew they were taking Barkley at the time of the Stewart signing (although I still disagreed with it then). I think they are going to let Rosas start out in camp and see how he does. He struggled in his first season, very common for rookie kickers. But, there was a reason why the team was so high on him last year that they were willing to roll the dice on an inexperienced kicker. And let's not forget that he was perfect throughout the pre-season games and had really good kick-offs as well.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 20, 2018 20:36:02 GMT -5
Don't know if Rojas showed the new regime anything but they got rid of the punter (Wing) thank God. But didn't seem to be looking for a kicker, though I believe they brought a 2nd kicker into camp (not sure). But we certainly can use a significant improvement from last year. We have one tough schedule and we'll need those FG's to win some of these games. You got that right. You can bet there will be at least 2-3 games that come down to a FG kick directly and a few more that a missed/made FG at some point during the game will be the difference between a win and loss. I don’t think we’ll be that dominant on either side of the ball for FG’s not be criticial in almost every game we play. This is honestly the position I’m most concerned about, Flowers is a close second. HaHa amath, I'm right with you. And you can throw in FS and depth in the secondary as well. It's a tough schedule especially the first 10 games. We could be done by then. We need to win as many of those close games as possible. The kicking game needs a 180 degree turn around.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 21:24:33 GMT -5
This team scores touchdowns.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 21:37:07 GMT -5
I'll admin though, I'm a big Rosas homer. Not many NYG's come out of the "area" I'm from. The last was Sehorn (we went to the same JC), although I went a few years after he did.
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Post by fifthavephil on Jul 21, 2018 9:13:35 GMT -5
Rosas, has a strong leg. His FG kicks have a low projectory causing it to blocked. His kickoffs were irratic. Unless, he shows improvement in hoth areas. He will be cut during or after pre season. GIANTS will pickup a PK on waivers. Kickers , basically need to bond with the holder. BTW, Wing was the holderthe past few seasons. The next punter will be the hoder ?
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Post by TEM on Jul 21, 2018 9:36:58 GMT -5
Rosas, has a strong leg. His FG kicks have a low projectory causing it to blocked. His kickoffs were irratic. Unless, he shows improvement in hoth areas. He will be cut during or after pre season. GIANTS will pickup a PK on waivers. Kickers , basically need to bond with the holder. BTW, Wing was the holderthe past few seasons. The next punter will be the hoder ? The best punter is the one that is seldom used. I agree with your analyses of the kicker. It spot on.
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 21, 2018 9:48:33 GMT -5
I believe Stewart was signed more for a leadership role than what he can provide for the team on the football field and I am okay with the signing ....He can spell the other backs occasionally and be a good voice in a young locker room
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amarth
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Post by amarth on Jul 21, 2018 19:17:56 GMT -5
I believe Stewart was signed more for a leadership role than what he can provide for the team on the football field and I am okay with the signing ....He can spell the other backs occasionally and be a good voice in a young locker room He very well may have been but again, that’s a luxury pick we can’t afford. I think a lot of the problems stemmed from McAdoo and with him gone so should the problems. When we have no depth at corner, a BIG question mark at FG kicker, punter and RT then we shouldn’t be paying one penny for a locker room baby sitter. It’s INSANE. Think about it, what’s more likely and more concerning...another locker room implosion or Erik Flowers sucking, bad punting, FG kicking or of our corners getting injured thus leaving the entire field open for receivers? The last thing we “needed” to spend money on was a veteran RB even if he does have a little gas in the tank. Motivation and positivity will come with winning, spending money on other areas of need would have helped us win more games, not a motivational speaker after we lose games due to the reasons mentioned above. Does anyone really think Stewart would have helped hold the locker room together last year? Would we have won more games if he had? The whole signing was ridiculous and a total waste.
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Post by DonnieYen on Jul 22, 2018 1:00:10 GMT -5
Which moves of his did you feel were questionable? The Stewart signing looks worse now after they drafted Barkley, but I doubt they knew they were taking Barkley at the time of the Stewart signing (although I still disagreed with it then). I think they are going to let Rosas start out in camp and see how he does. He struggled in his first season, very common for rookie kickers. But, there was a reason why the team was so high on him last year that they were willing to roll the dice on an inexperienced kicker. And let's not forget that he was perfect throughout the pre-season games and had really good kick-offs as well. I like having Stewart and Saquaon if Stewart has anything left in the tank then its a bonus at the very least Stewart is a leader and can help get Saquon acclimated to the league! as for The kicking who besides Rosas do we have? I am sure we are signing a veteran right before the season when guys get cut.
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Jul 23, 2018 11:51:28 GMT -5
I'm not concerned. He was perfect in preseason and his performance dropped with the rest of the team. How much of those misses were due to hurried kicks? I believe he was another victim of our Oline. What about him kicking the ball off out of bounds on multiple occasions? No oline there. I wonder if he will be fools gold again. He probably wont miss in the preseason and suck again in the regular season... I hope I am wrong. Special teams really but the nail in macadoo's coffin last year. Hopefully this year it will improve.
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Post by Merc on Jul 23, 2018 12:10:27 GMT -5
I'm not concerned. He was perfect in preseason and his performance dropped with the rest of the team. How much of those misses were due to hurried kicks? I believe he was another victim of our Oline. What about him kicking the ball off out of bounds on multiple occasions? No oline there. I wonder if he will be fools gold again. He probably wont miss in the preseason and suck again in the regular season... I hope I am wrong. Special teams really but the nail in macadoo's coffin last year. Hopefully this year it will improve. The game slows down for rookies after their first season. Hopefully it works for Rosas.
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Jul 23, 2018 14:50:19 GMT -5
What about him kicking the ball off out of bounds on multiple occasions? No oline there. I wonder if he will be fools gold again. He probably wont miss in the preseason and suck again in the regular season... I hope I am wrong. Special teams really but the nail in macadoo's coffin last year. Hopefully this year it will improve. The game slows down for rookies after their first season. Hopefully it works for Rosas. It's tough. Kicking is so mental. Hey it could be worse. The bucs drafted that kicker in the 2nd round and cut him. How does that gm still have a job?
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Post by jmike on Jul 23, 2018 14:53:47 GMT -5
The game slows down for rookies after their first season. Hopefully it works for Rosas. It's tough. Kicking is so mental. Hey it could be worse. The bucs drafted that kicker in the 2nd round and cut him. How does that gm still have a job? Because his boss didn't fire him and he doesn't want to quit.
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Post by amarth on Jul 23, 2018 14:59:27 GMT -5
Just to be clear about Stewart, I like the guy and think he could help Barkley but with all the other areas of concern it was DUMB and could, probably will, cost us at least a few games for not having spent that money on a proven kicker.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 23, 2018 18:29:22 GMT -5
The game slows down for rookies after their first season. Hopefully it works for Rosas. It's tough. Kicking is so mental. Hey it could be worse. The bucs drafted that kicker in the 2nd round and cut him. How does that gm still have a job? Good to see you 88!
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 23, 2018 18:30:17 GMT -5
Just to be clear about Stewart, I like the guy and think he could help Barkley but with all the other areas of concern it was DUMB and could, probably will, cost us at least a few games for not having spent that money on a proven kicker. I agree that DG spent too much on him. We'll see, I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Jul 23, 2018 18:37:16 GMT -5
It's tough. Kicking is so mental. Hey it could be worse. The bucs drafted that kicker in the 2nd round and cut him. How does that gm still have a job? Good to see you 88! Its nice to be here! Idk how many times in the past few days I've tried to type in boards.giants.com. still cant believe it's gone
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 23, 2018 18:46:29 GMT -5
Its nice to be here! Idk how many times in the past few days I've tried to type in boards.giants.com. still cant believe it's gone Yeah, it's sad but it was the genesis of this forum so I'm preferring to dwell on the positives! I think its official connection to the Giants organization made it more difficult to manage. This is a forum of fans for fans by fans. It's a bit more free wheeling and I'm thrilled that folks have stepped up and predominantly kept it civil. Very cool, imo.
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Jul 23, 2018 19:57:36 GMT -5
Its nice to be here! Idk how many times in the past few days I've tried to type in boards.giants.com. still cant believe it's gone Yeah, it's sad but it was the genesis of this forum so I'm preferring to dwell on the positives! I think its official connection to the Giants organization made it more difficult to manage. This is a forum of fans for fans by fans. It's a bit more free wheeling and I'm thrilled that folks have stepped up and predominantly kept it civil. Very cool, imo. I like it. Does anyone know where YA is? I will definitely miss his insider knowledge of the giants. Is there anyway we could move the quote/reply to the bottom of the post not at the top?
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