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Post by bluesanta on Apr 3, 2019 17:07:32 GMT -5
The majority of folks continue to drool over Sweat, so I'm going to go back and read/watch up on him again.
He was a decent prospect until the senior bowl practice week came around when he absolutely dominated everyone all week. The reports were as good as I have ever seen about any player. You can look those up yourself. That was when he started being talked about as a top 10 guy. Not only was he unblockable but coaches liked how he carried himself. Lastly, using some tech they had never implemented at the SB practices there were some metrics about his speed that had jaws dropping.
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"Mississippi State defensive end Montez Sweat made more waves than just beating his guy in one-on-ones. He was the fastest recorded lineman on the first day of Senior Bowl practice according to Zebra Technology stats. His 19.3 miles per hour topped the linemen, all linebackers and would have ranked him ninth among the 17 defensive backs on day one. Sweat's performance is even more impressive when you take into account that he reached that speed in a 10-15 yard window as opposed to the open field that a defensive back has to accelerate."
This is the reason why, if you were watching the combine, people were not that shocked when he ran a 4.41 at 6'6 260 lbs. NFL execs almost expected it after what the metrics from the Senior bowl were saying.
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 3, 2019 17:55:12 GMT -5
Sweat is very talented and gifted - he disappears in games however for a guy with his tools. Gary will be the better pro.
White is a Bad A Beast yet missed too many tackles- he may miss more in the pro's. I'd rather have Bush who rarely misses on anything he targets.
Jersey Boys at 6 and 17
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 3, 2019 19:04:56 GMT -5
Taking a guy with only 9.5 career sacks in college would be a major screw up at 7 (Gary) Disagree. He played out of position at Michigan and is a supremely talented athlete with tons of upside. His 9.5 sacks aren’t stellar, but that doesnt demonstrate how good of a tackler he is and how offenses try to avoid him. He’s a top 10 guy for a reason (also a NJ native). He’s only a junior and was the number 1 recruit in college in ‘16. He’s not my favorite at 6, but I’d be fully on board if he’s the guy. Stats only tell a portion of the tale, we should all know that. Bravo! Good to see someone on here that knows the whole story about Gary at Michigan. People look at his stats and think they tell the whole story. Gary is a freak athlete and could be a terror in the NFL.
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Post by TAILGATIN on Apr 3, 2019 20:12:41 GMT -5
Taking a guy with only 9.5 career sacks in college would be a major screw up at 7 (Gary) Or 37 Yeah, ok lol
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 3, 2019 21:53:52 GMT -5
I take White all day if he is there at 6 and we don't want a QB. We can talk Gary and Sweat and Burns and Ferrell ect ect but White is the complete package. He does it all and does it well, has the intangibles and would be the center piece that this D needs.
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Post by TEM on Apr 4, 2019 6:14:12 GMT -5
I will post the facts again . Since you seem to be a bit sarcastic and that is all you have in your brain is " Yea , Ok LOL" I can not wait to read your refute to this. Grey has a total of 9.5 career NCAA sacks . How is he even in the conversation for a 1st round pick? Just for a comparison to the ludicracy of drafting him with the 6th, the 17 or the 37th pick. Strahan had 19 sacks in his last year at TSU . We took him at pick 40 . So how exactly is the 3.5 sack phenom considered a better skill prospect than Strahan was? He can not get to the QB while being blocked by NCAA O-lines. I am almost self assured he will not magically be turned into a sack machine against NFL O-lines. We need a pass rusher. Not a dance partner for the opposing LT. Grey has 1st round bust tattooed on his forehead.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 6:44:23 GMT -5
I wondering how far Simmons would fall in the draft. We might need to take him at 17 if we wanted him. That guy, once he recovers, is going to be a game changer. Since we are in rebuild and dont expect much in 2019, it might not be a bad idea. I created a thread about that scenario a couple of weeks ago and the consensus on the board seem to be "pass" on him. I could see a team pulling a Jaylon Smith type of pick with Simmons and having it pay off in spades like it did for the Cowboys.
thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/2980/jeffery-simmons-available-17-draft
Before the ACL injury this year in preparation for the NFL combine, DT Jeffery Simmons was considered a top 5 pick; one of the best players in this upcoming draft. He had an off the field incident in high school, but at Mississippi State has been a model citizen and made the Honor Roll.
Talent wise, I have Simmons ranked only behind Quinnen Williams for interior defensive linemen. The Fletcher Cox comp is legit. At the same time, I can definitely understand the apprehension that would have Simmons off an NFL team's draft board.
For edge rusher, Josh Allen and Brian Burns are my top two ranked behind Nick Bosa. Montez Sweat (coolest name in this year's draft) stock rose after the show he put on at the Underwear Olympics, but if you watch his game film he does not have the bend, burst, or lateral agility Burns has.
Cooler than Rock Ya Sin?
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Post by Easy E on Apr 4, 2019 9:46:22 GMT -5
I created a thread about that scenario a couple of weeks ago and the consensus on the board seem to be "pass" on him. I could see a team pulling a Jaylon Smith type of pick with Simmons and having it pay off in spades like it did for the Cowboys.
thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/2980/jeffery-simmons-available-17-draft
Before the ACL injury this year in preparation for the NFL combine, DT Jeffery Simmons was considered a top 5 pick; one of the best players in this upcoming draft. He had an off the field incident in high school, but at Mississippi State has been a model citizen and made the Honor Roll.
Talent wise, I have Simmons ranked only behind Quinnen Williams for interior defensive linemen. The Fletcher Cox comp is legit. At the same time, I can definitely understand the apprehension that would have Simmons off an NFL team's draft board.
For edge rusher, Josh Allen and Brian Burns are my top two ranked behind Nick Bosa. Montez Sweat (coolest name in this year's draft) stock rose after the show he put on at the Underwear Olympics, but if you watch his game film he does not have the bend, burst, or lateral agility Burns has.
Cooler than Rock Ya Sin? Good catch Arc. That's a good one too!
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Post by shocknaweny on Apr 4, 2019 10:07:10 GMT -5
Devin White is looking like a BEAST but I would rather take Sweat or some sort of edge rusher at sixth and hope that Devin Bush falls to us at 17th
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Post by TAILGATIN on Apr 4, 2019 10:50:30 GMT -5
I will post the facts again . Since you seem to be a bit sarcastic and that is all you have in your brain is " Yea , Ok LOL" I can not wait to read your refute to this. Grey has a total of 9.5 career NCAA sacks . How is he even in the conversation for a 1st round pick? Just for a comparison to the ludicracy of drafting him with the 6th, the 17 or the 37th pick. Strahan had 19 sacks in his last year at TSU . We took him at pick 40 . So how exactly is the 3.5 sack phenom considered a better skill prospect than Strahan was? He can not get to the QB while being blocked by NCAA O-lines. I am almost self assured he will not magically be turned into a sack machine against NFL O-lines. We need a pass rusher. Not a dance partner for the opposing LT. Grey has 1st round bust tattooed on his forehead. I was sarcastic cuz you’re bring ridiculous. You’re stuck on stats, that’s the problem. I have no refute for you. Gary plays way better than his stats imply and is part of the reason Bush has such great stats. Based on your stat argument, you must believe Bush should go before Gary, correct? That’s also pretty far off. For the record, Gary is not even on my radar at 6 but I wouldn’t hate it. To say he’s not worth the 37th pick is just silly and puts you in a class all of your own. You’re entitled to your opinion, it’s just a pretty bogus one.
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Post by Easy E on Apr 4, 2019 12:29:47 GMT -5
I will post the facts again . Since you seem to be a bit sarcastic and that is all you have in your brain is " Yea , Ok LOL" I can not wait to read your refute to this. I was sarcastic cuz you’re bring ridiculous. You’re stuck on stats, that’s the problem. I have no refute for you. Gary plays way better than his stats imply and is part of the reason Bush has such great stats. Based on your stat argument, you must believe Bush should go before Gary, correct? That’s also pretty far off. For the record, Gary is not even on my radar at 6 but I wouldn’t hate it. To say he’s not worth the 37th pick is just silly and puts you in a class all of your own. You’re entitled to your opinion, it’s just a pretty bogus one. This might help provide you guys a better picture of the assessment of Rashan Gary when you analyze data taking into account the scheme of Michigan's defense. It's been suggested Gary may be better suited to move to a 3t where he could take advantage of his explosive athleticism inside against guards. Coming from an edge position, you have to wonder if Gary would be opposed to changing positions.
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Post by TAILGATIN on Apr 4, 2019 15:01:14 GMT -5
I was sarcastic cuz you’re bring ridiculous. You’re stuck on stats, that’s the problem. I have no refute for you. Gary plays way better than his stats imply and is part of the reason Bush has such great stats. Based on your stat argument, you must believe Bush should go before Gary, correct? That’s also pretty far off. For the record, Gary is not even on my radar at 6 but I wouldn’t hate it. To say he’s not worth the 37th pick is just silly and puts you in a class all of your own. You’re entitled to your opinion, it’s just a pretty bogus one. This might help provide you guys a better picture of the assessment of Rashan Gary when you analyze data taking into account the scheme of Michigan's defense. It's been suggested Gary may be better suited to move to a 3t where he could take advantage of his explosive athleticism inside against guards. Coming from an edge position, you have to wonder if Gary would be opposed to changing positions. Yep, it’s been said repeatedly he played out of position at Michigan. I mentioned that earlier. Thanks for the video as well. I’m not trying to argue against anyone’s opinion, and I think there are better options at 6. But I do think some people pay too much attention to stats and forget everything the stats don’t tell. He’s a prime example of that. Most analysts have him high in the boards for good reason.
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Post by TEM on Apr 4, 2019 18:37:05 GMT -5
I will post the facts again . Since you seem to be a bit sarcastic and that is all you have in your brain is " Yea , Ok LOL" I can not wait to read your refute to this. I was sarcastic cuz you’re bring ridiculous. You’re stuck on stats, that’s the problem. I have no refute for you. Gary plays way better than his stats imply and is part of the reason Bush has such great stats. Based on your stat argument, you must believe Bush should go before Gary, correct? That’s also pretty far off. For the record, Gary is not even on my radar at 6 but I wouldn’t hate it. To say he’s not worth the 37th pick is just silly and puts you in a class all of your own. You’re entitled to your opinion, it’s just a pretty bogus one. One stat that you want from a pass rusher . He has stats that show can get to the QB. You talk about ridiculous . That guy can not get to the QB that is a fact. He is not wort 37. Because I will say it again. "He can not sack the QB" . He could not sack the statue Haskins. That speaks Volumes. The whole argument that he is a "Freak Athlete" Here are a few more Freak Athletes How about Michael Phelps as a Wide Receiver . He should be able to step right in with his height. How about Floyd Mayweather as or slot corner. His shiftiness would surely be an asset in coverage. We could use Simone Biles as Safety . With her gymnastic abilities how could we miss? We do not need "Athletes" We need a players that are competent at what they do. A pass rusher that can not get to the QB . Is usless.
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Post by TEM on Apr 4, 2019 18:56:12 GMT -5
I was sarcastic cuz you’re bring ridiculous. You’re stuck on stats, that’s the problem. I have no refute for you. Gary plays way better than his stats imply and is part of the reason Bush has such great stats. Based on your stat argument, you must believe Bush should go before Gary, correct? That’s also pretty far off. For the record, Gary is not even on my radar at 6 but I wouldn’t hate it. To say he’s not worth the 37th pick is just silly and puts you in a class all of your own. You’re entitled to your opinion, it’s just a pretty bogus one. This might help provide you guys a better picture of the assessment of Rashan Gary when you analyze data taking into account the scheme of Michigan's defense. It's been suggested Gary may be better suited to move to a 3t where he could take advantage of his explosive athleticism inside against guards. Coming from an edge position, you have to wonder if Gary would be opposed to changing positions. We do not need another 3t . We have a whole D -line of those guys already. We need a pass rusher " Aaron Donald" or an Edge Rusher . "Khalil Mack." those types of players. Posting highlight videos of a guy that can not get to the QB because he played out of position is BS . Strahan and Tuck both could play from any part of the D-line and hit the QB. Either you can get to the QB or you can not. We have not had a decent Pass rush in 5 years . Putting Gray on our D-line does not fix that.
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Post by Easy E on Apr 4, 2019 20:02:17 GMT -5
This might help provide you guys a better picture of the assessment of Rashan Gary when you analyze data taking into account the scheme of Michigan's defense. It's been suggested Gary may be better suited to move to a 3t where he could take advantage of his explosive athleticism inside against guards. Coming from an edge position, you have to wonder if Gary would be opposed to changing positions. We do not need another 3t . We have a whole D -line of those guys already. We need a pass rusher " Aaron Donald" or an Edge Rusher . "Khalil Mack." those types of players. Posting highlight videos of a guy that can not get to the QB because he played out of position is BS . Strahan and Tuck both could play from any part of the D-line and hit the QB. Either you can get to the QB or you can not. We have not had a decent Pass rush in 5 years . Putting Gray on our D-line does not fix that. Did you even watch the video? Hahaha It supports everything you are stating. Gary has a low pass rushing grade when you filter out blitzes, stunts, etc.. The data focused on his 1 on 1 pass rushing opportunities. Gary struggled to disengage from blocks and is not good at winning the edge. The lack of production does not warrant a #6 pick and suggests a 2nd pick. Personally, I would not be happy if we drafted Gary or a QB. My preference outside of Bosa, Williams, and Allen is Oliver or Burns. We need to address our piss poor defense that cost us games last year.
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Post by TEM on Apr 4, 2019 20:48:44 GMT -5
We do not need another 3t . We have a whole D -line of those guys already. We need a pass rusher " Aaron Donald" or an Edge Rusher . "Khalil Mack." those types of players. Posting highlight videos of a guy that can not get to the QB because he played out of position is BS . Strahan and Tuck both could play from any part of the D-line and hit the QB. Either you can get to the QB or you can not. We have not had a decent Pass rush in 5 years . Putting Gray on our D-line does not fix that. Did you even watch the video? Hahaha It supports everything you are stating. Gary has a low pass rushing grade when you filter out blitzes, stunts, etc.. The data focused on his 1 on 1 pass rushing opportunities. Gary struggled to disengage from blocks and is not good at winning the edge. The lack of production does not warrant a #6 pick and suggests a 2nd pick. Personally, I would not be happy if we drafted Gary or a QB. My preference outside of Bosa, Williams, and Allen is Oliver or Burns. We need to address our piss poor defense that cost us games last year. I did not watch the video. You got me there Highlight videos are subjective . Especially when they embellish weak player. I do agree with everything else you said. I do not get the narrative on how Gray is in the talking for a 1st round or even a high 2nd round pick. We have had too many of "Well he does has great athletic ability" picks that have failed miserably. E I am a firm believer in, you can either play or you can not. Being a great athlete does not change that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 20:55:21 GMT -5
Did you even watch the video? Hahaha It supports everything you are stating. Gary has a low pass rushing grade when you filter out blitzes, stunts, etc.. The data focused on his 1 on 1 pass rushing opportunities. Gary struggled to disengage from blocks and is not good at winning the edge. The lack of production does not warrant a #6 pick and suggests a 2nd pick. Personally, I would not be happy if we drafted Gary or a QB. My preference outside of Bosa, Williams, and Allen is Oliver or Burns. We need to address our piss poor defense that cost us games last year. I did not watch the video. You got me there Highlight videos are subjective . Especially when the embellish weak player. I do agree with everything else you said. I do not get the narrative on how Gray is in the talking for a 1st round or even a high 2nd round pick. We have had too many of "Well he does has great athletic ability" picks that have failed miserably. E I am a firm believer in, you can either play or you can not. Being a great athlete does not change that. I wouldn't touch Gary until round 2. How can a player dominate in the NFL when his production in college was average at best.
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Post by TEM on Apr 4, 2019 20:57:02 GMT -5
I did not watch the video. You got me there Highlight videos are subjective . Especially when they embellish weak player. I do agree with everything else you said. I do not get the narrative on how Gray is in the talking for a 1st round or even a high 2nd round pick. We have had too many of "Well he does has great athletic ability" picks that have failed miserably. E I am a firm believer in, you can either play or you can not. Being a great athlete does not change that. I wouldn't touch Gary until round 2. How can a player dominate in the NFL when his production in college was average at best. I am sorry my friend . I would not take him until round 3 pick 95 . I think BJ Hill is a more productive player. In Round 3 I like Oshane Ximines
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Post by TAILGATIN on Apr 5, 2019 8:05:05 GMT -5
I was sarcastic cuz you’re bring ridiculous. You’re stuck on stats, that’s the problem. I have no refute for you. Gary plays way better than his stats imply and is part of the reason Bush has such great stats. Based on your stat argument, you must believe Bush should go before Gary, correct? That’s also pretty far off. For the record, Gary is not even on my radar at 6 but I wouldn’t hate it. To say he’s not worth the 37th pick is just silly and puts you in a class all of your own. You’re entitled to your opinion, it’s just a pretty bogus one. One stat that you want from a pass rusher . He has stats that show can get to the QB. You talk about ridiculous . That guy can not get to the QB that is a fact. He is not wort 37. Because I will say it again. "He can not sack the QB" . He could not sack the statue Haskins. That speaks Volumes. The whole argument that he is a "Freak Athlete" Here are a few more Freak Athletes How about Michael Phelps as a Wide Receiver . He should be able to step right in with his height. How about Floyd Mayweather as or slot corner. His shiftiness would surely be an asset in coverage. We could use Simone Biles as Safety . With her gymnastic abilities how could we miss? We do not need "Athletes" We need a players that are competent at what they do. A pass rusher that can not get to the QB . Is usless. Well the verdict is still out there on how Gary will be used wherever he lands and what his production will be. I will say that he’s one of the players I’ve seen us taking in lots of analysts’ mocks. Him, Sweat, and Haskins are who I see the most at 6. I don’t think we take him but nothing would surprise me.
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Post by TEM on Apr 5, 2019 8:35:47 GMT -5
One stat that you want from a pass rusher . He has stats that show can get to the QB. You talk about ridiculous . That guy can not get to the QB that is a fact. He is not wort 37. Because I will say it again. "He can not sack the QB" . He could not sack the statue Haskins. That speaks Volumes. The whole argument that he is a "Freak Athlete" Here are a few more Freak Athletes How about Michael Phelps as a Wide Receiver . He should be able to step right in with his height. How about Floyd Mayweather as or slot corner. His shiftiness would surely be an asset in coverage. We could use Simone Biles as Safety . With her gymnastic abilities how could we miss? We do not need "Athletes" We need a players that are competent at what they do. A pass rusher that can not get to the QB . Is usless. Well the verdict is still out there on how Gary will be used wherever he lands and what his production will be. I will say that he’s one of the players I’ve seen us taking in lots of analysts’ mocks. Him, Sweat, and Haskins are who I see the most at 6. I don’t think we take him but nothing would surprise me. Just because Analysts parrot each other. That does not mean this guy is 1st round or top of the second round worthy . Any good researcher would have looked at film and not made a combine based mock. That seems to be the norm in todays any idiot can make a mock and the clueless copycats will follow suit for the click. As I said Strahan went pick 40 . Do you still say this guys talent level is comparable to what Michael's skill set was going into the draft. I do not see it. Because this entire strings goes back to your comment on my stating he is not with pick 37.
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Post by fifthavephil on Apr 5, 2019 9:20:28 GMT -5
The Giants have no veterans mentors at DE. Like a Osi,Tuck and Kiwi. JPP had these guys to learn and grow. Gary, had a Devin Bush,Chase Winovich and David Long. Harbaugh and his staff are not inept, in strategy planning. Gary,is listed about 285lbs. He will be an DE in a3-4 defense.
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Post by TAILGATIN on Apr 5, 2019 9:22:53 GMT -5
Well the verdict is still out there on how Gary will be used wherever he lands and what his production will be. I will say that he’s one of the players I’ve seen us taking in lots of analysts’ mocks. Him, Sweat, and Haskins are who I see the most at 6. I don’t think we take him but nothing would surprise me. Just because Analysts parrot each other. That does not mean this guy is 1st round or top of the second round worthy . Any good researcher would have looked at film and not made a combine based mock. That seems to be the norm in todays any idiot can make a mock and the clueless copycats will follow suit for the click. As I said Strahan went pick 40 . Do you still say this guys talent level is comparable to what Michael's skill set was going into the draft. I do not see it. Because this entire strings goes back to your comment on my stating he is not with pick 37. You can’t compare drafts, every year is completely different. I’m not an idiot and comparing Strahan to Gary. But I completely disagree that he isn’t worth a 37 pick. He will go top 10-15, that’s pretty certain. It’s just your opinion vs mine. We don’t need to get into any further, cheers
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 5, 2019 9:33:19 GMT -5
I was sarcastic cuz you’re bring ridiculous. You’re stuck on stats, that’s the problem. I have no refute for you. Gary plays way better than his stats imply and is part of the reason Bush has such great stats. Based on your stat argument, you must believe Bush should go before Gary, correct? That’s also pretty far off. For the record, Gary is not even on my radar at 6 but I wouldn’t hate it. To say he’s not worth the 37th pick is just silly and puts you in a class all of your own. You’re entitled to your opinion, it’s just a pretty bogus one. One stat that you want from a pass rusher . He has stats that show can get to the QB. You talk about ridiculous . That guy can not get to the QB that is a fact. He is not wort 37. Because I will say it again. "He can not sack the QB" . He could not sack the statue Haskins. That speaks Volumes. The whole argument that he is a "Freak Athlete" Here are a few more Freak Athletes How about Michael Phelps as a Wide Receiver . He should be able to step right in with his height. How about Floyd Mayweather as or slot corner. His shiftiness would surely be an asset in coverage. We could use Simone Biles as Safety . With her gymnastic abilities how could we miss? We do not need "Athletes" We need a players that are competent at what they do. A pass rusher that can not get to the QB . Is usless. You've got some serous tunnel vision on Gary. Expand your consciousness a bit. Your reasons for hating on Gary are amateurish. The reasons for his lack of sack production are legit. You can brush them off and ignore them but a year from now I bet you'll be eating your words. Chomp Chomp!
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Post by shocknaweny on Apr 5, 2019 9:39:31 GMT -5
I was sarcastic cuz you’re bring ridiculous. You’re stuck on stats, that’s the problem. I have no refute for you. Gary plays way better than his stats imply and is part of the reason Bush has such great stats. Based on your stat argument, you must believe Bush should go before Gary, correct? That’s also pretty far off. For the record, Gary is not even on my radar at 6 but I wouldn’t hate it. To say he’s not worth the 37th pick is just silly and puts you in a class all of your own. You’re entitled to your opinion, it’s just a pretty bogus one. This might help provide you guys a better picture of the assessment of Rashan Gary when you analyze data taking into account the scheme of Michigan's defense. It's been suggested Gary may be better suited to move to a 3t where he could take advantage of his explosive athleticism inside against guards. Coming from an edge position, you have to wonder if Gary would be opposed to changing positions. This guy absolutely screams tweener no thanks
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Post by TAILGATIN on Apr 5, 2019 9:42:45 GMT -5
This might help provide you guys a better picture of the assessment of Rashan Gary when you analyze data taking into account the scheme of Michigan's defense. It's been suggested Gary may be better suited to move to a 3t where he could take advantage of his explosive athleticism inside against guards. Coming from an edge position, you have to wonder if Gary would be opposed to changing positions. This guy absolutely screams tweener no thanks Funny how successful tweeners actually are in today’s NFL. How many DTs and DEs are moved around from college to NFL? How many college OGs play OT in the NFL? The moves from high school to college and college to NFL take place cuz these kids are still growing, learning and should be improving.. or a coach used them improperly
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Post by TEM on Apr 5, 2019 9:56:26 GMT -5
Just because Analysts parrot each other. That does not mean this guy is 1st round or top of the second round worthy . Any good researcher would have looked at film and not made a combine based mock. That seems to be the norm in todays any idiot can make a mock and the clueless copycats will follow suit for the click. As I said Strahan went pick 40 . Do you still say this guys talent level is comparable to what Michael's skill set was going into the draft. I do not see it. Because this entire strings goes back to your comment on my stating he is not with pick 37. You can’t compare drafts, every year is completely different. I’m not an idiot and comparing Strahan to Gary. But I completely disagree that he isn’t worth a 37 pick. He will go top 10-15, that’s pretty certain. It’s just your opinion vs mine. We don’t need to get into any further, cheers True but talent or lack of is universal in drafting.
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Post by TEM on Apr 5, 2019 10:02:01 GMT -5
One stat that you want from a pass rusher . He has stats that show can get to the QB. You talk about ridiculous . That guy can not get to the QB that is a fact. He is not wort 37. Because I will say it again. "He can not sack the QB" . He could not sack the statue Haskins. That speaks Volumes. The whole argument that he is a "Freak Athlete" Here are a few more Freak Athletes How about Michael Phelps as a Wide Receiver . He should be able to step right in with his height. How about Floyd Mayweather as or slot corner. His shiftiness would surely be an asset in coverage. We could use Simone Biles as Safety . With her gymnastic abilities how could we miss? We do not need "Athletes" We need a players that are competent at what they do. A pass rusher that can not get to the QB . Is usless. You've got some serous tunnel vision on Gary. Expand your consciousness a bit. Your reasons for hating on Gary are amateurish. T he reasons for his lack of sack production are legit. You can brush them off and ignore them but a year from now I bet you'll be eating your words. Chomp Chomp! Only to those with their blinders on. Facts are facts. Facts are not excuses. What you wrote is an excuse. I will say this again . If he can not get to the QB against NCAA O-lines. He will not magically become a sack machine against superior NFL O-lines. It is pure lunacy to draft a pass rusher in the 1st 2 rounds that can not proven he can rush the passer .
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Post by TAILGATIN on Apr 5, 2019 10:37:29 GMT -5
You've got some serous tunnel vision on Gary. Expand your consciousness a bit. Your reasons for hating on Gary are amateurish. T he reasons for his lack of sack production are legit. You can brush them off and ignore them but a year from now I bet you'll be eating your words. Chomp Chomp! Only to those with their blinders on. Facts are facts. Facts are not excuses. What you wrote is an excuse. I will say this again . If he can not get to the QB against NCAA O-lines. He will not magically become a sack machine against superior NFL O-lines. It is pure lunacy to draft a pass rusher in the 1st 2 rounds that can not proven he can rush the passer . I don’t think you’re wrong about some of his question marks, but if Bosa, Williams, and Allen go 1,2,3.. I can see Raiders going Gary here at 4. Why does almost every analyst, including former coaches, have him pretty much a top 5-15 guy then? Answer me that. You are the only person saying he’s not a top 65 guy. You realize that right?? So everyone has blinders on but you right? Sure lol
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Post by bluesanta on Apr 5, 2019 11:49:33 GMT -5
Only to those with their blinders on. Facts are facts. Facts are not excuses. What you wrote is an excuse. I will say this again . If he can not get to the QB against NCAA O-lines. He will not magically become a sack machine against superior NFL O-lines. It is pure lunacy to draft a pass rusher in the 1st 2 rounds that can not proven he can rush the passer . I don’t think you’re wrong about some of his question marks, but if Bosa, Williams, and Allen go 1,2,3.. I can see Raiders going Gary here at 4. Why does almost every analyst, including former coaches, have him pretty much a top 5-15 guy then? Answer me that. You are the only person saying he’s not a top 65 guy. You realize that right?? So everyone has blinders on but you right? Sure lol Ive seen some guys whose opinions I trust say that Gary will be predominantly a 3 tech in the NFL and that many consider him a better prospect at that position than Ed Oliver. Personally, assuming he has no lingering issues with his shoulder injury, do not think I would select Oliver if Gary is on the board. He is a lot more system versatile.
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