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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 13, 2019 17:31:49 GMT -5
Passing on Josh Allen was a big swing and a miss. Our biggest need a pass rusher and Allen falls into our laps. We don't even have to trade up. Imagine if we just went defense and waited for next years QB class next year. Allen, Lawrence, and Baker in the 1st rd. Now you have a WOW ! A quarterback back of the future was not a bigger need ? I personally would have liked Allen but Bettcher’s system is not as edge rusher reliant as some. There is more than one way to skin a cat in regards to creating a pass rush. Lawrence should be a big help with this. Well I hope your right but to pass up an obvious talent that's a wopping need for us when it falls into our lap I feel was a big mistake.
Now with the supposedly vast amount of cap money available to us next year maybe we go buy a pass rusher and draft another. But for this year I really don't see a pass rush being adequate. Lawrence had something like 4 sacks in 2 1/2 years in college. Though I guess he's suppose to occupy 2 blocks freeing up someone else. Lets hope so.
I think were going to be a carbon copy of how Pittsburgh used to blitz when their nickname was "Blitzburgh". Hopefully it works. Just puts a lot of pressure on a very young and inexperienced secondary. As talented as it seems to be.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 14, 2019 15:54:38 GMT -5
passing up Allen will show itself to be a disaster move if we can't rush the passer this year and Jones sits the bench behind Eli and we still suck...
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Post by r2z2 on Jun 14, 2019 15:58:23 GMT -5
passing up Allen will show itself to be a disaster move if we can't rush the passer this year and Jones sits the bench behind Eli and we still suck... Why would that make it a disaster? Jones and the young players on defense will most likely take time to develop. We won’t know for a couple years if it was a bad move or not.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 14, 2019 16:01:54 GMT -5
passing up Allen will show itself to be a disaster move if we can't rush the passer this year and Jones sits the bench behind Eli and we still suck... Why would that make it a disaster? Jones and the young players on defense will most likely take time to develop. We won’t know for a couple years if it was a bad move or not. it will be a bad move IMO because Allen will most likely light it up this year as a pass rusher and our 1st pick sits the bench, to me that will suck...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 14, 2019 20:12:15 GMT -5
Why would that make it a disaster? Jones and the young players on defense will most likely take time to develop. We won’t know for a couple years if it was a bad move or not. it will be a bad move IMO because Allen will most likely light it up this year as a pass rusher and our 1st pick sits the bench, to me that will suck... It will only suck if Jones never plans out. Getting a good franchise QB is the only thing more important than a stud pass rusher. 2019 is a throw away year IMO. Dont have big expectations. Jones most likely will come in at some point and struggle.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 15, 2019 9:45:20 GMT -5
it will be a bad move IMO because Allen will most likely light it up this year as a pass rusher and our 1st pick sits the bench, to me that will suck... 2019 is a throw away year IMO. Dont have big expectations. Jones most likely will come in at some point and struggle. This is what I have been saying since the Odell trade. While we had a lot of picks we had way too many obvious glaring needs and getting a new legit qb was going to make it that much more difficult if they decided to go for one,which they did. 2019 will be a team growing season and a 16 game evaluation for what final pieces can be obtained in 2020,the more players that develop the easier and quicker the team is a legit contender
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 15, 2019 9:47:25 GMT -5
it will be a bad move IMO because Allen will most likely light it up this year as a pass rusher and our 1st pick sits the bench, to me that will suck... It will only suck if Jones never plans out. Getting a good franchise QB is the only thing more important than a stud pass rusher. 2019 is a throw away year IMO. Dont have big expectations. Jones most likely will come in at some point and struggle. my only question in this QB situation is will the owners and HC have the stones to sit Eli down if he plays poorly and replace him with Jones..
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Post by r2z2 on Jun 15, 2019 10:30:37 GMT -5
it will be a bad move IMO because Allen will most likely light it up this year as a pass rusher and our 1st pick sits the bench, to me that will suck... It will only suck if Jones never plans out. Getting a good franchise QB is the only thing more important than a stud pass rusher. 2019 is a throw away year IMO. Dont have big expectations. Jones most likely will come in at some point and struggle. Yea agreed. The defense is going to show some flashes but will struggle. I would expect to see some improvement by year’s end. Jones when he becomes the starter will struggle especially because we have nobody to stretch the field. It will be a good learning experience and hopefully we solidify this roster in the offseason.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 23, 2019 8:04:14 GMT -5
I watched the Jags vs Phins preseason game last night, and let me tell you this, Jones better be the real deal because Josh Allen looked possessed out there. He was unbelievable. Very quick first step, explosion, and always near the action.
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 23, 2019 9:04:31 GMT -5
Watched the Dolphins game last night and Allen looked unstoppable against the ones....still happy with DJ though emoji
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 23, 2019 16:21:30 GMT -5
Passing on Josh Allen was a big swing and a miss. Our biggest need a pass rusher and Allen falls into our laps. We don't even have to trade up. Imagine if we just went defense and waited for next years QB class next year. Allen, Lawrence, and Baker in the 1st rd. Now you have a WOW ! completely agree...
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 23, 2019 17:32:11 GMT -5
He’s going to be a very good player. Hard to pass up on a player that fills a very important need.
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2019 18:51:07 GMT -5
He’s going to be a very good player. Hard to pass up on a player that fills a very important need. I agree he was ripe and ready to pick.,
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 24, 2019 9:30:06 GMT -5
I watched the Jags vs Phins preseason game last night, and let me tell you this, Jones better be the real deal because Josh Allen looked possessed out there. He was unbelievable. Very quick first step, explosion, and always near the action. Absolutely. Jaw dropping skills. he’s Donald / Mack / Miller level . Please be a good QB DJ !
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 24, 2019 9:57:53 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie I was salivating when he was there..
But rule 101 when it comes to the draft If you identify a legit franchise qb when in need and especially if he is the perfect qb for your system you do whatever to get him
Very hard pill to swallow for sure,but so far the early indications are that we made the right choice,if we have a guy for the next 15 years that is even better than what we had the previous 15 years(HOF QB)...we watch Allen have a nice career while this team is a super bowl contender the next 15 years
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 24, 2019 10:39:10 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie I was salivating when he was there.. But rule 101 when it comes to the draft If you identify a legit franchise qb when in need and especially if he is the perfect qb for your system you do whatever to get him Very hard pill to swallow for sure,but so far the early indications are that we made the right choice,if we have a guy for the next 15 years that is even better than what we had the previous 15 years(HOF QB)...we watch Allen have a nice career while this team is a super bowl contender the next 15 years Sometimes you go against your gut feeling and go with what your mind is telling you. Every Giants fan was screaming for Allen when we were on the clock. From all accounts he was a can’t miss player at a position that is so desperately needed for this team. Like it or not but Jones is going to be compared to a lot of great defensive players in this draft. Jones HAS to work.. Because if Allen and the many other stand out defensive players play at a high level, we’ll all be looking back in 5 years of what we could of had. Jones doesn’t have to be a gold jacket player, but he also can’t be Geno Smith.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 24, 2019 11:33:42 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie I was salivating when he was there.. But rule 101 when it comes to the draft If you identify a legit franchise qb when in need and especially if he is the perfect qb for your system you do whatever to get him Very hard pill to swallow for sure,but so far the early indications are that we made the right choice,if we have a guy for the next 15 years that is even better than what we had the previous 15 years(HOF QB)...we watch Allen have a nice career while this team is a super bowl contender the next 15 years Sometimes you go against your gut feeling and go with what your mind is telling you. Every Giants fan was screaming for Allen when we were on the clock. From all accounts he was a can’t miss player at a position that is so desperately needed for this team. Like it or not but Jones is going to be compared to a lot of great defensive players in this draft. Jones HAS to work.. Because if Allen and the many other stand out defensive players play at a high level, we’ll all be looking back in 5 years of what we could of had. Jones doesn’t have to be a gold jacket player, but he also can’t be Geno Smith. Jones HAS to be good no matter who else we could have taken at 6. If he’s not, we’re in for another housecleaning. Has nothing to do with Allen. P.S. The fact that all Giants fans wanted something means absolutely nothing.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 24, 2019 11:44:55 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie I was salivating when he was there.. But rule 101 when it comes to the draft If you identify a legit franchise qb when in need and especially if he is the perfect qb for your system you do whatever to get him Very hard pill to swallow for sure,but so far the early indications are that we made the right choice,if we have a guy for the next 15 years that is even better than what we had the previous 15 years(HOF QB)...we watch Allen have a nice career while this team is a super bowl contender the next 15 years Sometimes you go against your gut feeling and go with what your mind is telling you. Every Giants fan was screaming for Allen when we were on the clock. From all accounts he was a can’t miss player at a position that is so desperately needed for this team. Like it or not but Jones is going to be compared to a lot of great defensive players in this draft. Jones HAS to work.. Because if Allen and the many other stand out defensive players play at a high level, we’ll all be looking back in 5 years of what we could of had. Jones doesn’t have to be a gold jacket player, but he also can’t be Geno Smith. But isn't that the inherent risk any team makes when they decide to pull the trigger on a franchise qb?Especially when trading up for one? Devils advocate; What if Darnold is what I feel he is,Vinny Testaverde 2.0 Just look who they could have had at 6 so far(Nelson,Roquon Smith)and add in the players they could have obtained with the picks they used to trade up And pulling the trigger on a franchise is always going to be a career defining move for a regime no matter what
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 24, 2019 16:17:40 GMT -5
I'll be honest, I never thought Allen would ever fall to us. But when he did, I had the moment where I said to myself: "OMG, we're going to get Allen". I felt at the time we would draft Allen and when we didn't it made me think that the Giants management knew how badly they needed to get a replacement for Eli and if we're wondering which was the greatest need we got our answer...my problem with all of this is that we didn't take Allen and took Jones instead and if Jones sits the bench all season while Eli continues to struggle then IMO its a no brainer that we should have taken Allen...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 25, 2019 6:34:46 GMT -5
I'll be honest, I never thought Allen would ever fall to us. But when he did, I had the moment where I said to myself: "OMG, we're going to get Allen". I felt at the time we would draft Allen and when we didn't it made me think that the Giants management knew how badly they needed to get a replacement for Eli and if we're wondering which was the greatest need we got our answer...my problem with all of this is that we didn't take Allen and took Jones instead and if Jones sits the bench all season while Eli continues to struggle then IMO its a no brainer that we should have taken Allen... My thoughts are, Allen would have helped us in 2019 and the immediate future. Jones helps us down the road. That is if he turns out to be a good QB. We used the #6 pick and didnt help the 2019 team get better. So IMO when we made the pick we waived the white flag on this year and are focusing on 2020 and there after. My issue with that is it burns another prime year of SQB. And maybe 2 depending on if they use Jones at all this year. This is why I really hope they put Jones in well before the 2019 season is toast. There is no point in starting Eli anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 8:42:13 GMT -5
If we have another prospect named Josh Allen, we need to take him...we passed on two Josh Allens that I felt we should have taken...could be wrong in the end, but Josh Allen, the name...might be haunting the NY Giants for a century...
The curse of Josh Allen
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 8, 2019 9:08:00 GMT -5
If we have another prospect named Josh Allen, we need to take him...we passed on two Josh Allens that I felt we should have taken...could be wrong in the end, but Josh Allen, the name...might be haunting the NY Giants for a century... The curse of Josh Allen Ha! Well, there is also a Lamar Jackson coming out this year. CB from Nebraska.
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 9, 2019 13:54:26 GMT -5
If we have another prospect named Josh Allen, we need to take him...we passed on two Josh Allens that I felt we should have taken...could be wrong in the end, but Josh Allen, the name...might be haunting the NY Giants for a century... The curse of Josh Allen Ha! Well, there is also a Lamar Jackson coming out this year. CB from Nebraska. He's like the opposite of Baker. He is an excellent zone corner who couldnt play man to save his life. Maybe he would be open to a position change to Safety
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 9, 2019 14:29:54 GMT -5
Hindsight is 20/20 of course but both Josh Allen's could have been Giants and I think we'd be in a much better place right now if they were.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 16, 2019 11:04:31 GMT -5
Josh Allen registered his 10th sack of the season (14 games) yesterday. Tied for 9th in the NFL with Joey Bosa. Kid is really good and only going to get better.
We need to get Chase Young.
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Post by moecoastie on Dec 23, 2019 4:32:43 GMT -5
Has Josh Allen improved the Jaguars passrush this year or did he just blend in with what they have been doing the last few years?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 23, 2019 7:02:38 GMT -5
Has Josh Allen improved the Jaguars passrush this year or did he just blend in with what they have been doing the last few years? Of course he improved it. Anytime you add a double digit sack pass rusher (especially a rookie) it helps the pass rush. Why?
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 23, 2019 7:06:52 GMT -5
DJ had a pretty decent game yesterday as well. If that is a sign of his future development, passing on Allen for him was the right decision.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 23, 2019 7:17:14 GMT -5
DJ had a pretty decent game yesterday as well. If that is a sign of his future development, passing on Allen for him was the right decision. Absolutely. If DJ pans out it was a no brainer right call. QB is the only position I think is more important than a pass rusher.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 23, 2019 7:55:16 GMT -5
Josh Allen registered his 10th sack of the season (14 games) yesterday. Tied for 9th in the NFL with Joey Bosa. Kid is really good and only going to get better. We need to get Chase Young. we just played ourselves out of the Chase Young market with a meaningless win over the meaningless Redskins, too bad. I know Shurmur wanted the win to help save his job, but a win over a terrible team like the Skins shouldn't change anything, Shurmur made too many bad decisions this season and last year too, i hope the owners are smart enough to look passed this win and see things the way they really are....
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