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Post by Nite on Jul 1, 2019 11:32:27 GMT -5
One day you wake up and BAM! your the commissioner of baseball ...
One of the issues that is still on your desk is; Pete Rose... Hall or Not...Lot of heated opinions pro and con..Been giving this a bit of thought and ...I am inconclusive..Based on his playing career its a non issue - first ballot..However there are the other 'things' that has prevented him from entering..
The argument I reject outright is the moral, good guy issue..Cuz there are criminals, wife beaters, racists and a whole assortment of other unpleasant individuals currently residing in said Hall, so to reject him on that basis is hypocritical..
The poll (ugh!) question is; Should Pete Rose become eligible for the Baseball HOF?
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Post by SG88 on Jul 1, 2019 11:51:03 GMT -5
He deserves to be in and I feel that he will get in after he passes away. He won't be alive to see it IMO.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 1, 2019 14:09:36 GMT -5
I have no issue with his being in the hall. He was a great player.
As soon as they let in every player that has been or is banned for purported moral reasons, he should be in.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 1, 2019 14:56:00 GMT -5
While on the field he was a great player, his gambling was entirely over the top. He was betting on games he was playing in and managing, just too much for my tastes.
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 2, 2019 11:11:24 GMT -5
While on the field he was a great player, his gambling was entirely over the top. He was betting on games he was playing in and managing, just too much for my tastes. I only heard it was games other than his own team, but are they saying he bet against his own team? |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 2, 2019 11:24:29 GMT -5
Shoeless Joe Jackson should be in the hall of fame. It’s been 100 years since the Black Sox scandal. Those players were severely underpaid and did what they thought was a good decision. Throwing games is the worst thing to do in professional sports, but Jackson was one of the best players to play. Also being illiterate he had no idea the ramifications he was doing.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 2, 2019 11:26:55 GMT -5
While on the field he was a great player, his gambling was entirely over the top. He was betting on games he was playing in and managing, just too much for my tastes. I only heard it was games other than his own team, but are they saying he bet against his own team? Who did you hear that from? Pete Rose? |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 2, 2019 12:13:50 GMT -5
I only heard it was games other than his own team, but are they saying he bet against his own team? Who did you hear that from? Pete Rose? I think I remember hearing that as part of the eventual story that came out in the last go round of info, what was that 6 - 8 years ago or so? Of course my memory sucks, but that's a different issue. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 2, 2019 12:15:37 GMT -5
Who did you hear that from? Pete Rose? I think I remember hearing that as part of the eventual story that came out in the last go round of info, what was that 6 - 8 years ago or so? Of course my memory sucks, but that's a different issue. Just googled it, this is in his WIKI: In his autobiography My Prison Without Bars, published by Rodale Press on January 8, 2004, Rose finally admitted publicly to betting on baseball games and other sports while playing for and managing the Reds. He also admitted to betting on Reds games, but said he never bet against the Reds. |
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Post by Parademon1 on Jul 2, 2019 12:39:19 GMT -5
Then I better not ever see the 90s Roids gang get in the HOF either. Bonds, Bleachy Sosa, McGuire, Clemens & a few others who's names escape e at the moment.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 2, 2019 12:46:47 GMT -5
Let him in already. Would never let him work in baseball again though (not that this could ever happen at this point)
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 2, 2019 13:02:52 GMT -5
He deserves to be in based on his play.
What he did afterwards should have no bearing on his eligibility.
Last I heard OJ Simpson is still in the HOF'er and we all know he almost cut his ex-wife's head off.
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Post by Nite on Jul 2, 2019 13:17:44 GMT -5
He deserves to be in based on his play. What he did afterwards should have no bearing on his eligibility. Last I heard OJ Simpson is still in the HOF'er and we all know he almost cut his ex-wife's head off. If you go by that, then you most certainly have to let Shoeless Joe J in for the same reason as there is no evidence that he actually threw that world series. In fact I think he hit over 400 and had a couple HRs...So if he tried to throw it, he did a very poor job doing so..
The 90s roider ppl will have to face closer scrutiny, as what they did was to enhance their numbers via chemistry.. however what they did was NOT against the rules and was NOT considered cheating by any definition of that word despite the blohard bleetings of sports 'media'
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 2, 2019 14:02:38 GMT -5
He deserves to be in based on his play. What he did afterwards should have no bearing on his eligibility. Last I heard OJ Simpson is still in the HOF'er and we all know he almost cut his ex-wife's head off. If you go by that, then you most certainly have to let Shoeless Joe J in for the same reason as there is no evidence that he actually threw that world series. In fact I think he hit over 400 and had a couple HRs...So if he tried to throw it, he did a very poor job doing so..
The 90s roider ppl will have to face closer scrutiny, as what they did was to enhance their numbers via chemistry.. however what they did was NOT against the rules and was NOT considered cheating by any definition of that word despite the blohard bleetings of sports 'media'
OJ was already in the hall, so they would have to create a protocol to kick him out, but he was found not guilty, so there is that. Personally, I think Shoeless Joe should be in the hall, as you said, there was no evidence of him throwing games. |
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Post by Waybackfan on Jul 2, 2019 14:48:00 GMT -5
He should definitely be in the HOF.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 2, 2019 15:16:33 GMT -5
He deserves to be in based on his play. What he did afterwards should have no bearing on his eligibility. Last I heard OJ Simpson is still in the HOF'er and we all know he almost cut his ex-wife's head off. If you go by that, then you most certainly have to let Shoeless Joe J in for the same reason as there is no evidence that he actually threw that world series. In fact I think he hit over 400 and had a couple HRs...So if he tried to throw it, he did a very poor job doing so..
The 90s roider ppl will have to face closer scrutiny, as what they did was to enhance their numbers via chemistry.. however what they did was NOT against the rules and was NOT considered cheating by any definition of that word despite the blohard bleetings of sports 'media'
If it wasn't against the rules they have no business excluding them. I don't recall MLB objecting to the McGuire/Sosa HR chase which helped save the game.
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Post by SG88 on Jul 2, 2019 18:39:40 GMT -5
If you go by that, then you most certainly have to let Shoeless Joe J in for the same reason as there is no evidence that he actually threw that world series. In fact I think he hit over 400 and had a couple HRs...So if he tried to throw it, he did a very poor job doing so..
The 90s roider ppl will have to face closer scrutiny, as what they did was to enhance their numbers via chemistry.. however what they did was NOT against the rules and was NOT considered cheating by any definition of that word despite the blohard bleetings of sports 'media'
If it wasn't against the rules they have no business excluding them. I don't recall MLB objecting to the McGuire/Sosa HR chase which helped save the game.
MLB is very hypocritical when it comes to PED usage. Once they made their money off of those two, MLB discarded them the moment their effectiveness died down. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 2, 2019 21:14:54 GMT -5
If it wasn't against the rules they have no business excluding them. I don't recall MLB objecting to the McGuire/Sosa HR chase which helped save the game.
MLB is very hypocritical when it comes to PED usage. Once they made their money off of those two, MLB discarded them the moment their effectiveness died down. And when public opinion turned against it. Chicken shit. |
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 3, 2019 7:49:47 GMT -5
I think I remember hearing that as part of the eventual story that came out in the last go round of info, what was that 6 - 8 years ago or so? Of course my memory sucks, but that's a different issue. Just googled it, this is in his WIKI: In his autobiography My Prison Without Bars, published by Rodale Press on January 8, 2004, Rose finally admitted publicly to betting on baseball games and other sports while playing for and managing the Reds. He also admitted to betting on Reds games, but said he never bet against the Reds. It seems less of an infraction to bet on the team you're managing, than betting against your own team. But then again, he could throw a series by doing this, if he used up all the relievers on that one game. I think this might be more of an in house handling by the Reds organization of what accolades he gets or doesn't, than a league matter. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 3, 2019 17:03:49 GMT -5
He should be allowed in. One of the greatest hitters of all time.
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Post by Nite on Jul 3, 2019 17:44:50 GMT -5
Here is my thinking;
Ever since the Black Sox scandal, gambling was considered to be a corrosive force in baseball to such a degree .. that it nearly ended the game due to the actual threat to its integrity. Fans were leaving in droves and owners were fearing an all out boycott. So they instituted draconian rules to 'restore' the game..Thats at least how I interpret the events 100 years ago...
Now fast forward 60 - 70 years to Mr Rose and what he did..Unlike the Black Sox scandal he did not take money (at least to my knowledge) to throw games nor there is any evidence that he played or managed in any way that could alter the outcome to support his gambling. Pete Rose had an addiction, the Black Sox players took money to change the outcome of a series. The latter is far more serious and could be considered a threat to the integrity of the game. Those players with the possible exception of Shoeless JJ do not belong in Baseball..Now if there is any evidence to suggest that Pete Rose did change the way he played and managed, then I would support his continued banishment..Assuming that he didn't then he should become eligible for the HOF and then subject to open debate for actual admittance
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 12, 2019 9:49:09 GMT -5
I would put him in immediately USA
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 12, 2019 15:48:23 GMT -5
people in high places in sports seem to me to pick and choose the rules they want to enforce and those they will turn a blind eye to and until that stops we will have these kinds of things, it looks to me that decisions are based a lot on doing what will be good for the league...
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