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Post by SG88 on Jul 18, 2019 19:55:49 GMT -5
What do you guys think of the opener strat in baseball? Are you cool with the new school of thinking or are you a traditionalist and feel that starters should simply start? I lean more towards the traditionalist side of this, feel that analytics are annoying, and don't account for intangibles like being a clutch hitter or pitcher.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 19, 2019 7:15:36 GMT -5
I'm cool with it, given how pitch count and innings limits have become predominant in how pitchers are managed.
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2019 7:52:48 GMT -5
Baseball has big problems . There are reasons pitcher are in the bull pen . The over use of bull pens in the recent years is proving this.
Instead of trying to mask your attempt at not wanting to pay starting rotation by juicing the ball.
You tried the juiced player thing. How did that workout again?
How about this remove the Juiced ball to try nullify the starting pitcher. Play the game the way it was intended at its inception, The game of Ruth, Mays Arron.
Because what you have now sucks and the dropping attendance at games shows this.
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 22, 2019 10:56:35 GMT -5
Is the guy who relieves the opener still considered "the starter", and would he have to pitch an additional 5 innings to get the win? Is it impossible for the opener to get the win, since he would only be expected to pitch an inning or two? I can understand why this strategy might be necessary due to circumstances, but seems an issue to do it more regularly.
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Post by SG88 on Jul 23, 2019 20:46:33 GMT -5
Is the guy who relieves the opener still considered "the starter", and would he have to pitch an additional 5 innings to get the win? Is it impossible for the opener to get the win, since he would only be expected to pitch an inning or two? I can understand why this strategy might be necessary due to circumstances, but seems an issue to do it more regularly. I don't think so. I think that they are just a reliever if they come in after the opener. That second pitcher usually factors into the decision by that point in time since the winning pitcher isn't declared until after the 5th inning. Unfortunately for me, the opener concept isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Every team actually does it now. The stolen base is also an endangered species with the obsession of homeruns. |
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 24, 2019 5:38:07 GMT -5
Is the guy who relieves the opener still considered "the starter", and would he have to pitch an additional 5 innings to get the win? Is it impossible for the opener to get the win, since he would only be expected to pitch an inning or two? I can understand why this strategy might be necessary due to circumstances, but seems an issue to do it more regularly. I don't think so. I think that they are just a reliever if they come in after the opener. That second pitcher usually factors into the decision by that point in time since the winning pitcher isn't declared until after the 5th inning. Unfortunately for me, the opener concept isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Every team actually does it now. The stolen base is also an endangered species with the obsession of homeruns. Yes, we've seen the Yankees do it a few times already with Green, and I think it worked well each time. I'd say this strategy might make it harder for an established starter to have a Guidry type winning season - but probably it is done more with rookie proposed starters or guys who are having shaky seasons anyway. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 24, 2019 8:49:06 GMT -5
Baseball has big problems . There are reasons pitcher are in the bull pen . The over use of bull pens in the recent years is proving this. Instead of trying to mask your attempt at not wanting to pay starting rotation by juicing the ball. You tried the juiced player thing. How did that workout again? How about this remove the Juiced ball to try nullify the starting pitcher. Play the game the way it was intended at its inception, The game of Ruth, Mays Arron. Because what you have now sucks and the dropping attendance at games shows this. I think the shift affects the game a lot more than the opener. |
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Post by SG88 on Jul 24, 2019 9:13:31 GMT -5
Baseball has big problems . There are reasons pitcher are in the bull pen . The over use of bull pens in the recent years is proving this. Instead of trying to mask your attempt at not wanting to pay starting rotation by juicing the ball. You tried the juiced player thing. How did that workout again? How about this remove the Juiced ball to try nullify the starting pitcher. Play the game the way it was intended at its inception, The game of Ruth, Mays Arron. Because what you have now sucks and the dropping attendance at games shows this. I think the shift affects the game a lot more than the opener. I don't care too much for the shift either. How do you feel about the shift? |
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Post by TEM on Jul 24, 2019 16:11:31 GMT -5
Baseball has big problems . There are reasons pitcher are in the bull pen . The over use of bull pens in the recent years is proving this. Instead of trying to mask your attempt at not wanting to pay starting rotation by juicing the ball. You tried the juiced player thing. How did that workout again? How about this remove the Juiced ball to try nullify the starting pitcher. Play the game the way it was intended at its inception, The game of Ruth, Mays Arron. Because what you have now sucks and the dropping attendance at games shows this. I think the shift affects the game a lot more than the opener. I agree they should go away also. |
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 25, 2019 7:52:03 GMT -5
I think the shift affects the game a lot more than the opener. I agree they should go away also. I think the shift is one of the reasons for more HRs being hit, throughout the league. The pitcher purposely pitches to induce balls to that side of the field, but he is also placing the ball where the batter prefers it. All the batter has to do is get lift on a hard hit ball in his zone. No shift is going to overcome that. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 25, 2019 8:19:04 GMT -5
I'm ok with all of this. Shift the players however you want. It's up to the hitter to beat the shift. It's so aggravating watching speedy guys like Gardner and Hicks with 3 guys on one side of the diamond playing them to pull, and watching them just pull it into the teeth of the shift. LEARN TO BUNT OR SLAP OPPO! Get on base.
The only thing I really want to see done is the electronic strike zone. Umps are terrible. And to make relief pitchers have to face 2 or 3 batters minimum.
As for the opener, I'm ok with that too. It's a very interesting strategy. The Yankees could use a few openers after watching their starters the past couple weeks.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 25, 2019 10:19:30 GMT -5
I'm ok with all of this. Shift the players however you want. It's up to the hitter to beat the shift. It's so aggravating watching speedy guys like Gardner and Hicks with 3 guys on one side of the diamond playing them to pull, and watching them just pull it into the teeth of the shift. LEARN TO BUNT OR SLAP OPPO! Get on base. The only thing I really want to see done is the electronic strike zone. Umps are terrible. And to make relief pitchers have to face 2 or 3 batters minimum. As for the opener, I'm ok with that too. It's a very interesting strategy. The Yankees could use a few openers after watching their starters the past couple weeks. This ^^ |
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