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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 3, 2018 15:05:43 GMT -5
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Post by boxcarwillie on Aug 3, 2018 15:42:55 GMT -5
James Betcher's defense (as I understand it) has to have 2 very good corners on the field.
Jackrabbit and Apple are potentially a good tandem.
If either of them gets hurt (hope not), the whole defensive scheme may be severely compromised.
Too bad about Beal's injury.
It is a priority to get another very good corner.
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 3, 2018 15:49:21 GMT -5
James Betcher's defense (as I understand it) has to have 2 very good corners on the field. Jackrabbit and Apple are potentially a good tandem. If either of them gets hurt (hope not), the whole defensive scheme may be severely compromised. Too bad about Beal's injury. We need another big time corner. I haven't researched this new guy, Leonard Johnson yet. Had decent numbers in 15 games for Buffalo last year. Link doesn't say why he's no longer with the Bills. You'd have to think with #s like that they would keep him at least for depth |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 3, 2018 15:51:11 GMT -5
This move does not inspire confidence in the guys we have
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 16:06:58 GMT -5
This move does not inspire confidence in the guys we have That's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm still holding out hope that they will give DRC a call. |
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 3, 2018 19:00:50 GMT -5
This move does not inspire confidence in the guys we have That's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm still holding out hope that they will give DRC a call. I'm not sure what they are waiting for. Obviously him being a FA this long you'd have to think he's lowered his asking price. In light of the being so thin at the position and Beal being out this year they need a vet like DRC to provide depth that can step in and do the job. They need to call him before it's to late and someone else signs him |
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Post by nick030567 on Aug 3, 2018 20:51:48 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm still holding out hope that they will give DRC a call. I'm not sure what they are waiting for. Obviously him being a FA this long you'd have to think he's lowered his asking price. In light of the being so thin at the position and Beal being out this year they need a vet like DRC to provide depth that can step in and do the job. They need to call him before it's to late and someone else signs him I really don't get why they haven't gone after him. I think the guy probably has more than enough left to be used in a rotation. At least he seemed to have a lot of his athleticism still. I saw the defense implode but I never really thought his talent dropped off. Maybe they don't like the way he handled last season internally? who knows? All I know is that in 2016 he was phenomenal and when he was injured in the playoff game it frightened Spags into going almost nearly as soft as Perry Fewell. |
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 3, 2018 21:12:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure what they are waiting for. Obviously him being a FA this long you'd have to think he's lowered his asking price. In light of the being so thin at the position and Beal being out this year they need a vet like DRC to provide depth that can step in and do the job. They need to call him before it's to late and someone else signs him I really don't get why they haven't gone after him. I think the guy probably has more than enough left to be used in a rotation. At least he seemed to have a lot of his athleticism still. I saw the defense implode but I never really thought his talent dropped off. Maybe they don't like the way he handled last season internally? who knows? All I know is that in 2016 he was phenomenal and when he was injured in the playoff game it frightened Spags into going almost nearly as soft as Perry Fewell. Bottom line is Gettleman needs to pick up the phone. Maybe he's thinking being 2nd in line on the waiver wire he can scoop someone when the surprise cuts happen like they do every year. Whoever Cleveland passes on fall to us. No one else in front of us to claim players |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 22:33:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure what they are waiting for. Obviously him being a FA this long you'd have to think he's lowered his asking price. In light of the being so thin at the position and Beal being out this year they need a vet like DRC to provide depth that can step in and do the job. They need to call him before it's to late and someone else signs him I really don't get why they haven't gone after him. I think the guy probably has more than enough left to be used in a rotation. At least he seemed to have a lot of his athleticism still. I saw the defense implode but I never really thought his talent dropped off. Maybe they don't like the way he handled last season internally? who knows? All I know is that in 2016 he was phenomenal and when he was injured in the playoff game it frightened Spags into going almost nearly as soft as Perry Fewell. 100% agree. The entire defensive plan changed when he left the game. Some will say he had a bad year, so he's not worth it. The entire secondary had ups and downs last season, with the exception of Cockrell. DG wet the bed with the secondary. He already had two proven corners outside of Jenkins and he let them both walk. Not smart at all, no matter how anyone tries to spin it. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 4, 2018 7:39:19 GMT -5
This move does not inspire confidence in the guys we have That's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm still holding out hope that they will give DRC a call. Ryley and Deayon has been out of practice with a hammy. I still say Deayon is the #3 , we will say after he recovers. |
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Post by nick030567 on Aug 4, 2018 8:20:26 GMT -5
I really don't get why they haven't gone after him. I think the guy probably has more than enough left to be used in a rotation. At least he seemed to have a lot of his athleticism still. I saw the defense implode but I never really thought his talent dropped off. Maybe they don't like the way he handled last season internally? who knows? All I know is that in 2016 he was phenomenal and when he was injured in the playoff game it frightened Spags into going almost nearly as soft as Perry Fewell. 100% agree. The entire defensive plan changed when he left the game. Some will say he had a bad year, so he's not worth it. The entire secondary had ups and downs last season, with the exception of Cockrell. DG wet the bed with the secondary. He already had two proven corners outside of Jenkins and he let them both walk. Not smart at all, no matter how anyone tries to spin it. It really did. I'm a big fan of Spagnuolo but that was a let down to see him flip on what he believes in because he didn't have confidence in the other guys. Exactly though, at times even Collins looked like the rookie who was over aggressive and took bad angles. I think that they're hoping some players will manifest themselves a good couple of seasons or a career from a really good opportunity. All of these players have the athleticism, it's just about putting it all together mentally and spiritually. I wouldn't say he wet the bed but I probably would've kept Cockrell and now that no one has signed DRC I'd at least let him come in for a work out. If he looked good he could compete and maybe be a really good rotational guy. I'd wait to see how the season plays out to say if he definitively wet the bed on the secondary though.
I do think they're just signing guys due to injury concerns though
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 4, 2018 8:41:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure what they are waiting for. Obviously him being a FA this long you'd have to think he's lowered his asking price. In light of the being so thin at the position and Beal being out this year they need a vet like DRC to provide depth that can step in and do the job. They need to call him before it's to late and someone else signs him I really don't get why they haven't gone after him. I think the guy probably has more than enough left to be used in a rotation. At least he seemed to have a lot of his athleticism still. I saw the defense implode but I never really thought his talent dropped off. Maybe they don't like the way he handled last season internally? who knows? All I know is that in 2016 he was phenomenal and when he was injured in the playoff game it frightened Spags into going almost nearly as soft as Perry Fewell. Could it have something to do with the fact that he is a declining player, wants a lot of money and last year as the “leader” of our DB’s was suspended for insubordination? |
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Post by TEM on Aug 4, 2018 8:56:28 GMT -5
I really don't get why they haven't gone after him. I think the guy probably has more than enough left to be used in a rotation. At least he seemed to have a lot of his athleticism still. I saw the defense implode but I never really thought his talent dropped off. Maybe they don't like the way he handled last season internally? who knows? All I know is that in 2016 he was phenomenal and when he was injured in the playoff game it frightened Spags into going almost nearly as soft as Perry Fewell. Could it have something to do with the fact that he is a declining player, wants a lot of money and last year as the “leader” of our DB’s was suspended for insubordination? I agree . I also think something happened this offseason that either DRC or his Agent said or did, that rubbed the FO the wrong way. They wanted him to take a pay cut. It was rumored that DRC was willing to. I don't know how true that is. Some where along the line the FO felt the needed to release him . What happened and why it went down the way it did. Is still not known. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 4, 2018 9:57:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure what they are waiting for. Obviously him being a FA this long you'd have to think he's lowered his asking price. In light of the being so thin at the position and Beal being out this year they need a vet like DRC to provide depth that can step in and do the job. They need to call him before it's to late and someone else signs him I really don't get why they haven't gone after him. I think the guy probably has more than enough left to be used in a rotation. At least he seemed to have a lot of his athleticism still. I saw the defense implode but I never really thought his talent dropped off. Maybe they don't like the way he handled last season internally? who knows? All I know is that in 2016 he was phenomenal and when he was injured in the playoff game it frightened Spags into going almost nearly as soft as Perry Fewell. I thing DRC plays to soft for Betcher. He stinks in the run game and is not a willing tackler any more. If we want to toughen up on defense, DRC is not the answer. He is a finesse player |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 4, 2018 10:18:09 GMT -5
I really don't get why they haven't gone after him. I think the guy probably has more than enough left to be used in a rotation. At least he seemed to have a lot of his athleticism still. I saw the defense implode but I never really thought his talent dropped off. Maybe they don't like the way he handled last season internally? who knows? All I know is that in 2016 he was phenomenal and when he was injured in the playoff game it frightened Spags into going almost nearly as soft as Perry Fewell. I thing DRC plays to soft for Betcher. He stinks in the run game and is not a willing tackler any more. If we want to toughen up on defense, DRC is not the answer. He is a finesse player Perhaps but DRC isn't too soft for FS. He's better than footsie. I would keep DRC and Adams till I see something different in pre season. And we could still use him as depth at CB and nickel. But you are right about him as a tackler especially vs the run but I think he would be an upgrade in our secondary. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 10:18:57 GMT -5
I really don't get why they haven't gone after him. I think the guy probably has more than enough left to be used in a rotation. At least he seemed to have a lot of his athleticism still. I saw the defense implode but I never really thought his talent dropped off. Maybe they don't like the way he handled last season internally? who knows? All I know is that in 2016 he was phenomenal and when he was injured in the playoff game it frightened Spags into going almost nearly as soft as Perry Fewell. Could it have something to do with the fact that he is a declining player, wants a lot of money and last year as the “leader” of our DB’s was suspended for insubordination? Jenkins and Apple were suspended also. It was a frustrating season for all of them. This is becoming an excuse for a bad decision made by DG. Also, he was not in decline. Putting him in the slot was a stupid move from the beginning. The entire back end had issues, including Jenkins, Apple and Collins. So are they in decline, too? The one corner who played extremely well last season was Cockrell. Why let him walk as well? Why create this mess? |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 4, 2018 10:32:08 GMT -5
I really don't get why they haven't gone after him. I think the guy probably has more than enough left to be used in a rotation. At least he seemed to have a lot of his athleticism still. I saw the defense implode but I never really thought his talent dropped off. Maybe they don't like the way he handled last season internally? who knows? All I know is that in 2016 he was phenomenal and when he was injured in the playoff game it frightened Spags into going almost nearly as soft as Perry Fewell. Could it have something to do with the fact that he is a declining player, wants a lot of money and last year as the “leader” of our DB’s was suspended for insubordination? Very good point about last year but all those people are gone. And Jenkins and Apple were also suspended and their starting. Now their not in the twilight of their careers though I'd rather have DRC than Apple. Though I understand not giving up on a 1st rd pick.
I would think DRC is going to be more flexible about money. But maybe not he may figure teams that come for him now are more desperate especially if someone goes down with an injury. I don't know I still think DRC can add improvement to our secondary. Heck he would probably start at FS plus he could be depth at CB and nickel.
Maybe he can't play man so good anymore he'd be better in zone. And in Bettchers defense of a lot of blitzing corners are going to be in man coverage a lot.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 4, 2018 10:44:13 GMT -5
DBs get hurt constantly, especially OUR DBs. DRC will be playing somewhere after the inevitable injuries in camp/preseason.
I would not mind him back at the right price.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 10:48:01 GMT -5
DBs get hurt constantly, especially OUR DBs. DRC will be playing somewhere after the inevitable injuries in camp/preseason. I would not mind him back at the right price. The problem is bigger for the Giants. Outside of Jenkins, there aren't a proven corners on this team. What happens if all these signed corners don't pan out and Jenkins goes down with an injury? I think you know the answer to that. You don't let proven corners walk, especially when Cockrell could have been resigned on the cheap. He signed for pennies with the Panthers. |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 4, 2018 11:02:30 GMT -5
Could it have something to do with the fact that he is a declining player, wants a lot of money and last year as the “leader” of our DB’s was suspended for insubordination? Jenkins and Apple were suspended also. It was a frustrating season for all of them. This is becoming an excuse for a bad decision made by DG. Also, he was not in decline. Putting him in the slot was a stupid move from the beginning. The entire back end had issues, including Jenkins, Apple and Collins. So are they in decline, too? The one corner who played extremely well last season was Cockrell. Why let him walk as well? Why create this mess? You could not be more wrong. DRC’s play absolutely declined last year. The difference between him and Apple and Jenkins is that they are not declining players. They still could possibly play at a high level. Cockrell is not a “proven” corner. He is a journeyman. My guess is that Bettcher didn’t think he fit his scheme. I find it funny that you think that letting a journeyman player sign somewhere else was some kind of unforgivable mistake ... lol |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 11:28:44 GMT -5
Jenkins and Apple were suspended also. It was a frustrating season for all of them. This is becoming an excuse for a bad decision made by DG. Also, he was not in decline. Putting him in the slot was a stupid move from the beginning. The entire back end had issues, including Jenkins, Apple and Collins. So are they in decline, too? The one corner who played extremely well last season was Cockrell. Why let him walk as well? Why create this mess? You could not be more wrong. DRC’s play absolutely declined last year. The difference between him and Apple and Jenkins is that they are not declining players. They still could possibly play at a high level. Cockrell is not a “proven” corner. He is a journeyman. My guess is that Bettcher didn’t think he fit his scheme. I find it funny that you think that letting a journeyman player sign somewhere else was some kind of unforgivable mistake ... lol Look, you brought up the suspension issue without mentioning Apple and Jenkins being suspended also. I found that to be a little fishy. And no, letting Cockrell go was not an "unforgivable mistake". It was stupid. You can use the term "journeyman" to try and downplay his performance, but that's not going to cut it. Teams need at minimum 3 quality cover corners. Two walked out the door. DRC was not in decline. We simply won't agree on that. |
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 4, 2018 11:30:35 GMT -5
Jenkins and Apple were suspended also. It was a frustrating season for all of them. This is becoming an excuse for a bad decision made by DG. Also, he was not in decline. Putting him in the slot was a stupid move from the beginning. The entire back end had issues, including Jenkins, Apple and Collins. So are they in decline, too? The one corner who played extremely well last season was Cockrell. Why let him walk as well? Why create this mess? You could not be more wrong. DRC’s play absolutely declined last year. The difference between him and Apple and Jenkins is that they are not declining players. They still could possibly play at a high level. Cockrell is not a “proven” corner. He is a journeyman. My guess is that Bettcher didn’t think he fit his scheme. I find it funny that you think that letting a journeyman player sign somewhere else was some kind of unforgivable mistake ... lol spot on .. devon kennard signed a big contract with the lions i think to be a starter for them... yet e1 cries about cochrell and nobody mentions kennard...spags always said kennard was the best pass rusher on the team...... cochrell was also said to not be a good fit scheme wise in pittsburg which is why they let him go to the Giants where he was a good fit for the NYG last years 4-3. I've no idea why a cb would not be scheme diverse but i do recall reading about it. Definitely seems like cochrell was let go to being not a scheme fit for betchers style of D. |
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 4, 2018 11:31:19 GMT -5
Jenkins and Apple were suspended also. It was a frustrating season for all of them. This is becoming an excuse for a bad decision made by DG. Also, he was not in decline. Putting him in the slot was a stupid move from the beginning. The entire back end had issues, including Jenkins, Apple and Collins. So are they in decline, too? The one corner who played extremely well last season was Cockrell. Why let him walk as well? Why create this mess? You could not be more wrong. DRC’s play absolutely declined last year. The difference between him and Apple and Jenkins is that they are not declining players. They still could possibly play at a high level. Cockrell is not a “proven” corner. He is a journeyman. My guess is that Bettcher didn’t think he fit his scheme. I find it funny that you think that letting a journeyman player sign somewhere else was some kind of unforgivable mistake ... lol Declining? No question. Did he quit on the team last year? Sure did. Did he want to much money to stay? Definitely. But he's still a better option even in decline then most of what's on the team now Everyone was frustrated last year the way things went down so I'm willing to give him a pass on the insubordination. I believe he and his agent would be willing to sit down with the FO and work out their differences both with the leadership issues of last season and the fact that he would now be willing to take less money to try and help this team |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 4, 2018 11:34:01 GMT -5
You could not be more wrong. DRC’s play absolutely declined last year. The difference between him and Apple and Jenkins is that they are not declining players. They still could possibly play at a high level. Cockrell is not a “proven” corner. He is a journeyman. My guess is that Bettcher didn’t think he fit his scheme. I find it funny that you think that letting a journeyman player sign somewhere else was some kind of unforgivable mistake ... lol Look, you brought up the suspension issue without mentioning Apple and Jenkins being suspended also. I found that to be a little fishy. And no, letting Cockrell go was not an "unforgivable mistake". It was stupid. You can use the term "journeyman" to try and downplay his performance, but that's not going to cut it. Teams need at minimum 3 quality cover corners. Two walked out the door. DRC was not in decline. We simply won't agree on that. Cockrell was a quality cover corner?? lol |
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Post by Merc on Aug 4, 2018 11:35:45 GMT -5
You could not be more wrong. DRC’s play absolutely declined last year. The difference between him and Apple and Jenkins is that they are not declining players. They still could possibly play at a high level. Cockrell is not a “proven” corner. He is a journeyman. My guess is that Bettcher didn’t think he fit his scheme. I find it funny that you think that letting a journeyman player sign somewhere else was some kind of unforgivable mistake ... lol Declining? No question. Did he quit on the team last year? Sure did. Did he want to much money to stay? Definitely. But he's still a better option even in decline then most of what's on the team now Everyone was frustrated last year the way things went down so I'm willing to give him a pass on the insubordination. I believe he and his agent would be willing to sit down with the FO and work out their differences both with the leadership issues of last season and the fact that he would now be willing to take less money to try and help this team DRC is not on a team yet because he did not want to play in OTAs and most of preseason. He is still looking for more than we are willing or able to pay. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 11:55:35 GMT -5
Look, you brought up the suspension issue without mentioning Apple and Jenkins being suspended also. I found that to be a little fishy. And no, letting Cockrell go was not an "unforgivable mistake". It was stupid. You can use the term "journeyman" to try and downplay his performance, but that's not going to cut it. Teams need at minimum 3 quality cover corners. Two walked out the door. DRC was not in decline. We simply won't agree on that. Cockrell was a quality cover corner?? lol He sure was. Sometimes a "journeyman" can finally settle down and become a good player. Apple was benched in favor of Cockrell for good reasons. If you think that he was an lol, you are entitled to think that. |
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Post by Merc on Aug 4, 2018 12:25:35 GMT -5
Cockrell is now just another player on IR. It no longer matters.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 4, 2018 12:41:14 GMT -5
Cockrell was a quality cover corner?? lol He sure was. Sometimes a "journeyman" can finally settle down and become a good player. Apple was benched in favor of Cockrell for good reasons. If you think that he was an lol, you are entitled to think that. Strange that he didn’t break the bank in free agency.... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 12:44:32 GMT -5
He sure was. Sometimes a "journeyman" can finally settle down and become a good player. Apple was benched in favor of Cockrell for good reasons. If you think that he was an lol, you are entitled to think that. Strange that he didn’t break the bank in free agency.... And yet, was snatched up quickly by another team. |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 4, 2018 13:49:14 GMT -5
Strange that he didn’t break the bank in free agency.... And yet, was snatched up quickly by another team. Yep! Snatched up two weeks after the start of FA! lol |
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