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Post by Kruunch on Aug 11, 2019 9:05:51 GMT -5
First time in a long time our depth isn’t as depleted as it was with Reese. Jerry Reese never was able to give us depth on our roster, when starters went down at any position we were pretty much screwed. To win in this league you have to understand injuries happen and you need players to step up when their number our called. Not have the James Brewers or the Greg Jones as your depth.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 11, 2019 9:18:35 GMT -5
If the draft is a crapshoot then Reese certainly rolled snakeyes his last bunch of drafts and even when he did pick a good player, those players were dealt. Believe it or not, a lot, and I mean a lot, has to do with how they are prepared and coached in the NFL level. You can have very talented players fail due to bad coaching or development. And you can have very average players become players that look great because of it as well. The latter, I think the Patriots. The former, I think Raiders. I did like a lot of picks in the past 2 drafts, some not so much. Either way, they do look better than Reese's pieces. Reese was an awful drafting GM. I just want to make sure I take this to it's logical conclusion: Josh Rosen is a HOF stud...he just wasn't coached right.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2019 9:21:23 GMT -5
it has been so nice not to have to scratch my head every time a selection is turned in I think Sheppard, Dalvin Tomlinson and Engram is all that is left from Reese drafts.....oh and soon to be gone BJ Goodson ... and Perkins I have liked Gallman much more than Perkins from the start.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2019 9:23:04 GMT -5
If DJ turns out to be as good as I hope he is, DG will begin to be regarded as a draft genius. I am pulling for him! Every Giants fan should be pulling for him as well.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 11, 2019 9:27:07 GMT -5
If DJ turns out to be as good as I hope he is, DG will begin to be regarded as a draft genius. I am pulling for him! Every Giants fan should be pulling for him as well. While I think human nature is to want to tell people, "I told you so", I can't believe there are Giants fans out there that want this guy to be anything other than a top QB in the league.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2019 9:29:46 GMT -5
Every Giants fan should be pulling for him as well. While I think human nature is to want to tell people, "I told you so", I can't believe there are Giants fans out there that want this guy to be anything other than a top QB in the league. I knew very little about Jones, like MOST people here. I chose to wait and see, which seemed thoughtful at the time given how little I knew of him and how much I disrespect pundits. I like everything I have seen so far and am very encouraged.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 11, 2019 9:35:21 GMT -5
While I think human nature is to want to tell people, "I told you so", I can't believe there are Giants fans out there that want this guy to be anything other than a top QB in the league. I knew very little about Jones, like MOST people here. I chose to wait and see, which seemed thoughtful at the time given how little I knew of him and how much I disrespect pundits. I like everything I have seen so far and am very encouraged. I actually never saw him throw a single pass before we drafted him...I don't watch college football as a rule and I don't scout players. Man...was that an unpopular pick with those that do! Still, I take great comfort in the fact that those that do watch tape and scout players...from the guy in his basement to the halls of ESPN...seem to get those pics wrong a shocking percent of the time. I think if you asked FBomb to give us his best hope for Jones first drive, he would not have been as positive as the reality - let's see where he goes from here, but 1 inch in, you have to like what you have seen and heard.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 11, 2019 9:36:26 GMT -5
Believe it or not, a lot, and I mean a lot, has to do with how they are prepared and coached in the NFL level. You can have very talented players fail due to bad coaching or development. And you can have very average players become players that look great because of it as well. The latter, I think the Patriots. The former, I think Raiders. I did like a lot of picks in the past 2 drafts, some not so much. Either way, they do look better than Reese's pieces. Reese was an awful drafting GM. I just want to make sure I take this to it's logical conclusion: Josh Rosen is a HOF stud...he just wasn't coached right. Oh man. No. Obviously. Rosen needs to be out of the league for 5 years to get his HOF election first. He has a while to go.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 11, 2019 9:46:11 GMT -5
Well, I need to see progress with the pass rush. He picked up some good pieces
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Post by houndstoothhat on Aug 11, 2019 9:56:21 GMT -5
Of course history will have the final say... however, right now we are starting to have a real OL, the best RB in the game, a QB for the next decade and the start of a new defense. We will see how the coaching staff works out?? Good time to be a Big Blue fan!
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 11, 2019 10:02:22 GMT -5
it has been so nice not to have to scratch my head every time a selection is turned in I think Sheppard, Dalvin Tomlinson and Engram is all that is left from Reese drafts.....oh and soon to be gone BJ Goodson I won't beat a dead horse but many here thought they were dumping JRs guys only because they were his guys. In the long run the guys they sent packing were either overpaid and under performing or just not that good period or had character issues that were detrimental to the team. Many here almost had a stroke when they cut Davis Webb for Louletta in the end Lauletta looks like he will be someones backup if not ours Webb looks like he will probably get into coaching as he said. Front office and coaching staff don't care who drafted them if they can help most likely they will stay unless there is a character issue or injury history. I think if any of the remaining guys had character issues, they'd be gone, too.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2019 10:02:43 GMT -5
Gallman isn't going anywhere. He is a very good back up to Saquon. Not sure why you don't like him. Rosas obviously will be around. I think Wheeler will stick too. I have nothing against him. He is a complementary back ( #3) I do not think he is a guy that can be counted on to fill in as a #1 if Saquon miss some time. He has no break away speed and he is not a bull rusher . Most times he goes down with first contact. I think he can fill a role and can come in and get yardage when needed 4 to 5 pays a game RB . What he did last year. He is not a take the reins RB. IMO: If we do not get a guy Like a Jay Ajayi type RB for a #2 and Saquon is out for a game or 2 . Our Offense will stall. Fair enough. If Saquon goes down our offense will stall no matter who our #2 RB is. He's one of the best 5 RBs in the league. I'm not making the case that Gallman is amazing but IMO he is a fine #2 RB. Most teams in the NFL have a guy around his skill level as their #2, very few teams have a stud #2 RB especially if they have a great #1.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2019 10:03:10 GMT -5
If the draft is a crapshoot then Reese certainly rolled snakeyes his last bunch of drafts and even when he did pick a good player, those players were dealt. The draft is very much a crap shoot. Any one player or any one draft or two can swing on a variety of inexplicable or "no one could see that coming" calamities. That is why we won't know whether DG really has the talent evaluating goods for another couple of years. I am just reflecting on what we have seen in 2 drafts and it is very encouraging for me. Look at Ballentine for instance. Here is a kid coming out of a small school drafted by us late in the draft and already making noise on the field. It has been a long time since we have seen that, maybe all the way back to UDFA Victor Cruz.
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 11, 2019 10:17:49 GMT -5
Believe it or not, a lot, and I mean a lot, has to do with how they are prepared and coached in the NFL level. You can have very talented players fail due to bad coaching or development. And you can have very average players become players that look great because of it as well. The latter, I think the Patriots. The former, I think Raiders. I did like a lot of picks in the past 2 drafts, some not so much. Either way, they do look better than Reese's pieces. Reese was an awful drafting GM. I was ready to throw Lauletta away but the way he played someone needing a back up might give up pick for him or maybe they keep hime and get pick for Tanney. McIntosch had a few good rushes in the jets game drawing a holding, throw in some of the undrafted guys I'm pretty happy. Do you think Tanney would draw better draft picks than Lauletta? Whichever one they keep will be our 3rd. As a 3rd I'd say to deal whichever can give us the best return. I think that would be Lauletta… which means keeping Tanney as a third. If you factor in next season and beyond, I'd want Lauletta as my #2 in those years. That that would be the best justification for trying to get something out of Tanney. He looked good the other night, and it might have been as much as he's ever played before. He was 10 for 14 in 2015 when he played for the Titans. That's it. Although, playing 2nd team QB with a Pro team still gives you a ton of knowledge and experience. He's 31. Yes, I've talked myself into dealing Tanney. But, only because he's 31, lol. He'd be a good backup for any team, I believe. Who knows. If he goes, good luck to him. He's from Monmouth College, where I lived for 18 years.
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2019 10:26:31 GMT -5
I have nothing against him. He is a complementary back ( #3) I do not think he is a guy that can be counted on to fill in as a #1 if Saquon miss some time. He has no break away speed and he is not a bull rusher . Most times he goes down with first contact. I think he can fill a role and can come in and get yardage when needed 4 to 5 pays a game RB . What he did last year. He is not a take the reins RB. IMO: If we do not get a guy Like a Jay Ajayi type RB for a #2 and Saquon is out for a game or 2 . Our Offense will stall. Fair enough. If Saquon goes down our offense will stall no matter who our #2 RB is. He's one of the best 5 RBs in the league. I'm not making the case that Gallman is amazing but IMO he is a fine #2 RB. Most teams in the NFL have a guy around his skill level as their #2, very few teams have a stud #2 RB especially if they have a great #1. That should not be the case. We should have a #2 back that can carry the load Adrian Peterson and Derrius Guice Redskins Mark Ingram and Gus Edwards, Baltimore Ravens Phillip Lindsay and Royce Freeman, Denver Broncos Damien Williams and Carlos Hyde, Kansas City Chiefs Melvin Gordon and Austin Ekeler, Los Angeles Chargers Jerick McKinnon and Tevin Coleman, San Francisco 49ers Chris Carson and Rashaad Penny, Seattle Seahawks Ezekiel Elliot and Alfred Morris, Dallas Cowboys Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, Cleveland Browns Sony Michel and James White, New England Patriots Alvin Kamara and Latavius Murray, New Orleans Saints We are behind the curve with our #2 back . One of our lack of depth Achilles heals .
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2019 10:48:35 GMT -5
Fair enough. If Saquon goes down our offense will stall no matter who our #2 RB is. He's one of the best 5 RBs in the league. I'm not making the case that Gallman is amazing but IMO he is a fine #2 RB. Most teams in the NFL have a guy around his skill level as their #2, very few teams have a stud #2 RB especially if they have a great #1. That should not be the case. We should have a #2 back that can carry the load We are behind the curve with our #2 back . One of our lack of depth Achilles heals . We probably aren't going to solve that one in the next 3 weeks. My take on Gallman tracks with some others here. He runs OK, which is to say "good enough" and he runs hard. He catches the ball well He blocks well Perkins doesn't approach Gallman in any of those categories. Maybe we can get an upgrade at RB using Lauletta as a chip? Ready or not, the season is fast approaching.
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2019 10:58:09 GMT -5
That should not be the case. We should have a #2 back that can carry the load We are behind the curve with our #2 back . One of our lack of depth Achilles heals . We probably aren't going to solve that one in the next 3 weeks. My take on Gallman tracks with some others here. He runs OK, which is to say "good enough" and he runs hard. He catches the ball well He blocks well Perkins doesn't approach Gallman in any of those categories. Maybe we can get an upgrade at RB using Lauletta as a chip? Ready or not, the season is fast approaching. I would like to see them bring in Jay Ajayi for a workout.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2019 11:11:15 GMT -5
We probably aren't going to solve that one in the next 3 weeks. My take on Gallman tracks with some others here. He runs OK, which is to say "good enough" and he runs hard. He catches the ball well He blocks well Perkins doesn't approach Gallman in any of those categories. Maybe we can get an upgrade at RB using Lauletta as a chip? Ready or not, the season is fast approaching. I would like to see them bring in Jay Ajayi for a workout. Someone asked the other day what we might do with the extra cash available if we cut Tanney. There is an example of potentially upgrading the roster by putting the salary cap dollars to better use. Tanney is not going to help this team in a playoff run scenario but an upgrade at RB might.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2019 11:23:06 GMT -5
Of course history will have the final say... however, right now we are starting to have a real OL, the best RB in the game, a QB for the next decade and the start of a new defense. We will see how the coaching staff works out?? Good time to be a Big Blue fan! But what about the media complaints that there is no plan? I mean who would know more about this kind of thing than some retired player or a communications major that really, really liked sports but was never good enough to make it? It seems to me that they would know much better than anyone else.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2019 11:35:33 GMT -5
Of course history will have the final say... however, right now we are starting to have a real OL, the best RB in the game, a QB for the next decade and the start of a new defense. We will see how the coaching staff works out?? Good time to be a Big Blue fan! But what about the media complaints that there is no plan? I mean who would know more about this kind of thing than some retired player or a communications major that really, really liked sports but was never good enough to make it? It seems to me that they would know much better than anyone else. What about the media, indeed.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 11, 2019 14:07:13 GMT -5
I was ready to throw Lauletta away but the way he played someone needing a back up might give up pick for him or maybe they keep hime and get pick for Tanney. McIntosch had a few good rushes in the jets game drawing a holding, throw in some of the undrafted guys I'm pretty happy. Do you think Tanney would draw better draft picks than Lauletta? Whichever one they keep will be our 3rd. As a 3rd I'd say to deal whichever can give us the best return. I think that would be Lauletta… which means keeping Tanney as a third. If you factor in next season and beyond, I'd want Lauletta as my #2 in those years. That that would be the best justification for trying to get something out of Tanney. He looked good the other night, and it might have been as much as he's ever played before. He was 10 for 14 in 2015 when he played for the Titans. That's it. Although, playing 2nd team QB with a Pro team still gives you a ton of knowledge and experience. He's 31. Yes, I've talked myself into dealing Tanney. But, only because he's 31, lol. He'd be a good backup for any team, I believe. Who knows. If he goes, good luck to him. He's from Monmouth College, where I lived for 18 years. Tanney looks like he can go in and win some games he was good with pressure in his face nice sharp thrower of the ball,I would keep lauletta cheap backup.
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Post by Kase1 on Aug 11, 2019 15:59:23 GMT -5
While I hate how DG handled the situation with Beckham, and really thought we jumped early with Jones at 6, I guess overall im a fan of how he handled things.
Last year DG nailed it with SQB, Hernandez, BJ Hill and Zo Carter. Now it looks promising with DJ, Lawrence, Baker, Love, Ximines, and Connelly
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 11, 2019 16:12:57 GMT -5
We probably aren't going to solve that one in the next 3 weeks. My take on Gallman tracks with some others here. He runs OK, which is to say "good enough" and he runs hard. He catches the ball well He blocks well Perkins doesn't approach Gallman in any of those categories. Maybe we can get an upgrade at RB using Lauletta as a chip? Ready or not, the season is fast approaching. I would like to see them bring in Jay Ajayi for a workout. Slow,plodding and injury prone is not the atributes I want on the field if God forbid Barkley goes down . Gallman is better at this point
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 11, 2019 16:16:08 GMT -5
If the draft is a crapshoot then Reese certainly rolled snakeyes his last bunch of drafts and even when he did pick a good player, those players were dealt. Head over to the Panthers forum and they say this about Gettleman. In fact lots of people here said that about him when we got him. These two drafts look like fantastic drafts and that is all that matters to me. I've said DG has consistently made tough decisions and so far they are paying off. Cutting 2 starting OL during the year, trading away a starting CB, trading away your best defender (Snacks), trading away you sack leader, letting your best young defender walk, trading away a super star HOF caliber one of the best ever WRs, drafting a RB when you have an aging QB in "the best QB draft ever", drafting a "3rd round QB" with the #6 pick in the draft in "the weakest QB draft ever". I'm sure I missed some too. Let's just hope what ever formula he is using for these drafts keeps happening. This rookie class looks fantastic. Baker, Love and Ballantine in 1 draft completely changes a defensive backfield for 4 years. the only move out of all of that that was really questionable was OBJ the rest were good players none elite, OBJ the only problem was he basically begged them for a trade I that move said we are a team it is we not me.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2019 17:50:14 GMT -5
Fair enough. If Saquon goes down our offense will stall no matter who our #2 RB is. He's one of the best 5 RBs in the league. I'm not making the case that Gallman is amazing but IMO he is a fine #2 RB. Most teams in the NFL have a guy around his skill level as their #2, very few teams have a stud #2 RB especially if they have a great #1. That should not be the case. We should have a #2 back that can carry the load Adrian Peterson and Derrius Guice Redskins Mark Ingram and Gus Edwards, Baltimore Ravens Phillip Lindsay and Royce Freeman, Denver Broncos Damien Williams and Carlos Hyde, Kansas City Chiefs Melvin Gordon and Austin Ekeler, Los Angeles Chargers Jerick McKinnon and Tevin Coleman, San Francisco 49ers Chris Carson and Rashaad Penny, Seattle Seahawks Ezekiel Elliot and Alfred Morris, Dallas Cowboys Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, Cleveland Browns Sony Michel and James White, New England Patriots Alvin Kamara and Latavius Murray, New Orleans Saints We are behind the curve with our #2 back . One of our lack of depth Achilles heals . This is a great example. These are the best #2 RBs in the league you could find and none are all that good. Kareem Hunt is the obvious exception and we know the extreme circumstances that it took for him to end up there. There are much bigger fish to fry than getting a better back up RB. Gallman won't lose us any games. He will come in spell Saquon a few times a game, catch a few passes, run a few 4 yarders and call it a day. Run hard, don't fumble, catch passes. That's all I need out of our back up.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2019 17:51:45 GMT -5
Head over to the Panthers forum and they say this about Gettleman. In fact lots of people here said that about him when we got him. These two drafts look like fantastic drafts and that is all that matters to me. I've said DG has consistently made tough decisions and so far they are paying off. Cutting 2 starting OL during the year, trading away a starting CB, trading away your best defender (Snacks), trading away you sack leader, letting your best young defender walk, trading away a super star HOF caliber one of the best ever WRs, drafting a RB when you have an aging QB in "the best QB draft ever", drafting a "3rd round QB" with the #6 pick in the draft in "the weakest QB draft ever". I'm sure I missed some too. Let's just hope what ever formula he is using for these drafts keeps happening. This rookie class looks fantastic. Baker, Love and Ballantine in 1 draft completely changes a defensive backfield for 4 years. the only move out of all of that that was really questionable was OBJ the rest were good players none elite, OBJ the only problem was he basically begged them for a trade I that move said we are a team it is we not me. Maybe in hindsight. At the time each one of those moves raised an eyebrow...or two. My point is that I think many GMs won't make a move based on the heat they might take and DG doesn't seem to give a damn, he will make the call he thinks is right. Got to respect that.
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2019 18:22:48 GMT -5
That should not be the case. We should have a #2 back that can carry the load Adrian Peterson and Derrius Guice Redskins Mark Ingram and Gus Edwards, Baltimore Ravens Phillip Lindsay and Royce Freeman, Denver Broncos Damien Williams and Carlos Hyde, Kansas City Chiefs Melvin Gordon and Austin Ekeler, Los Angeles Chargers Jerick McKinnon and Tevin Coleman, San Francisco 49ers Chris Carson and Rashaad Penny, Seattle Seahawks Ezekiel Elliot and Alfred Morris, Dallas Cowboys Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, Cleveland Browns Sony Michel and James White, New England Patriots Alvin Kamara and Latavius Murray, New Orleans Saints We are behind the curve with our #2 back . One of our lack of depth Achilles heals . This is a great example. These are the best #2 RBs in the league you could find and none are all that good. Kareem Hunt is the obvious exception and we know the extreme circumstances that it took for him to end up there. There are much bigger fish to fry than getting a better back up RB. Gallman won't lose us any games. He will come in spell Saquon a few times a game, catch a few passes, run a few 4 yarders and call it a day. Run hard, don't fumble, catch passes. That's all I need out of our back up. I want An OJ Anderson when Hampton went down . We did not miss a beat and put a trophy in the case.
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2019 18:52:17 GMT -5
I would like to see them bring in Jay Ajayi for a workout. Slow,plodding and injury prone is not the atributes I want on the field if God forbid Barkley goes down . Gallman is better at this point I do not agree . Gallman showed what he is in week 13 against Washington , Had 14 carries for 38 yards . In the same game Saquon also had 14 carries but put up 170 yards . There was no O-line problems to blame Gallmen's dismal 2.7 yards a carry on . IMO: He is not a RB that can be counted on to fill in . I will say it again , He is a complementary 5 to 6 plays a game #3 RB.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2019 19:30:13 GMT -5
I want An OJ Anderson when Hampton went down . We did not miss a beat and put a trophy in the case. In order to not miss a beat you would need another Barkley. Let's count our blessings we have 1 because we will never have 2 lol. If you don't think we would miss a beat with Jay Ajayi then you're greatly under estimating what Barkley brings to this team. He is a flash in the pan that produced 1 good year and has never had an injury free season. At his best he averages >5 yards a carry, >85 yards a game and .5 TDs a game. At his worst he is sitting in the medical tent. No thanks. This team is about moving forward with youth. Maybe Gallman never ends up being anything, but right now he knows the playbook, can block, can catch and doesn't cost us games....and he's healthy. I'm sure we will draft another RB next year hoping to improve our backfield.
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2019 19:44:43 GMT -5
I want An OJ Anderson when Hampton went down . We did not miss a beat and put a trophy in the case. In order to not miss a beat you would need another Barkley. Let's count our blessings we have 1 because we will never have 2 lol. If you don't think we would miss a beat with Jay Ajayi then you're greatly under estimating what Barkley brings to this team. He is a flash in the pan that produced 1 good year and has never had an injury free season. At his best he averages >5 yards a carry, >85 yards a game and .5 TDs a game. At his worst he is sitting in the medical tent. No thanks. This team is about moving forward with youth. Maybe Gallman never ends up being anything, but right now he knows the playbook, can block, can catch and doesn't cost us games....and he's healthy. I'm sure we will draft another RB next year hoping to improve our backfield. We are not going to have 2 backs like Barkley ever .No team will. That does not change what will happen without a true #2 back. As it stands now we have three #3s and a fullback. A) We will burn Saquon out. (Earl Campbell) B) see A
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