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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 13, 2019 10:10:45 GMT -5
You nailed it,he saw the look and reaction of the defense he wanted and threw the perfect pass.. While I'm still a bit uncomfortable with him seemingly starting down Fowler here I'm pretty sure 2 steps into the pattern it didnt make a difference with how the safety reacted
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Post by desertash on Aug 13, 2019 10:12:28 GMT -5
Yup ,I like the kid he seems to have it all . He'll learn alot sitting behind Eli . One thing he will definitely learn is the art of the check down. there's a time and a place it became a meme for us, and I don't see that in the future with DJ we have a better OL now and he'll get better opportunity to progress and then make the choice it became a survival reflex for Eli...to the nth degree at times I don't expect Eli to be checkdown Charlie this year either...there will be some, but less than usual
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 13, 2019 10:12:56 GMT -5
You nailed it,he saw the look and reaction of the defense he wanted and threw the perfect pass.. While I'm still a bit uncomfortable with him seemingly starting down Fowler here I'm pretty sure 2 steps into the pattern it didnt make a difference with how the safety reacted Thing is, he was watching the corner which is almost in direct line of sight of Fowler behind him so I can see how people think he staring down the receiver. If you understand the "KEYS" the QB reads on the play you understand who he was staring down. The "key" on the play was the corner...the pre-snap read told him what side of the field to look at and which defender to key. Soon as the CB committed to the TE the ball was going to the WR. EDIT: If the defense showed man across the board, I have no doubt DJ would have thrown the fade to the left side as the WR route was straight to the back corner. Schematically, offenses sometimes cut the field in half. If the defense shows man-to-man, you know you gotta look on this side of the field because these routes are man to man beaters, If the defense shows zone, you look to the otherside because those routes are zone beaters.
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Post by desertash on Aug 13, 2019 10:14:53 GMT -5
To suggest that he should have read through his progressions is a desperate attempt by those who feel Eli has been slighted by the praise of Jones' play. I didn't think the trolling of Jones was related to the liking of Eli. I think some people are just foolish and pretend to know more about this sport than they actually do. yeah the auto-pro/anti-Eli thing cannot die a fiery death soon enough
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Aug 13, 2019 10:15:36 GMT -5
I think we should definitely continue to analyze every single move DJ makes with intense scrutiny. Because it's not insane or anything. This thread will be 9 pages....minimum.
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Post by Nite on Aug 13, 2019 10:17:05 GMT -5
You nailed it,he saw the look and reaction of the defense he wanted and threw the perfect pass.. While I'm still a bit uncomfortable with him seemingly starting down Fowler here I'm pretty sure 2 steps into the pattern it didnt make a difference with how the safety reacted Btw dam impressive throw by a rookie..
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Post by desertash on Aug 13, 2019 10:17:11 GMT -5
You nailed it,he saw the look and reaction of the defense he wanted and threw the perfect pass.. While I'm still a bit uncomfortable with him seemingly starting down Fowler here I'm pretty sure 2 steps into the pattern it didnt make a difference with how the safety reacted He'll learn. There will be some ints in those situations with top tier DBs, but I expect DJ to pick things up quickly and not repeatedly make the same mistakes.
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 13, 2019 10:21:32 GMT -5
You nailed it,he saw the look and reaction of the defense he wanted and threw the perfect pass.. While I'm still a bit uncomfortable with him seemingly starting down Fowler here I'm pretty sure 2 steps into the pattern it didnt make a difference with how the safety reacted He'll learn. There will be some ints in those situations with top tier DBs, but I expect DJ to pick things up quickly and not repeatedly make the same mistakes. that was a strong safety covering Fowler...not a CB. Not many Strong Safeties can cover WRs 1v1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 10:21:32 GMT -5
You nailed it,he saw the look and reaction of the defense he wanted and threw the perfect pass.. While I'm still a bit uncomfortable with him seemingly starting down Fowler here I'm pretty sure 2 steps into the pattern it didnt make a difference with how the safety reacted He'll learn. There will be some ints in those situations with top tier DBs, but I expect DJ to pick things up quickly and not repeatedly make the same mistakes. yep all of that stuff can be taught but you can’t teach his accuracy which was really impressive.
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Post by desertash on Aug 13, 2019 10:25:09 GMT -5
He'll learn. There will be some ints in those situations with top tier DBs, but I expect DJ to pick things up quickly and not repeatedly make the same mistakes. that was a strong safety covering Fowler...not a CB. Not many Strong Safeties can cover WRs 1v1. didn't say corner....it'll rotate and both corners and safeties will trap him now and then again, he'll pick it up First pre-snap, then during the flow of play and finally he'll pick things up in the film room and have knowledge going into games about the Deion's and Palomalu's he'll face in his career and even bait them
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Post by magilla on Aug 13, 2019 10:29:05 GMT -5
At this point, DJ is looking quite good and I’m wanting to see more of him on the field.
Still a work in progress but in order to evolve, DJ is going to need playing time.
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 13, 2019 10:31:44 GMT -5
that was a strong safety covering Fowler...not a CB. Not many Strong Safeties can cover WRs 1v1. didn't say corner....it'll rotate and both corners and safeties will trap him now and then again, he'll pick it up First pre-snap, then during the flow of play and finally he'll pick things up in the film room and have knowledge going into games about the Deion's and Palomalu's he'll face in his career and even bait them That's why he was watching the CB to see what he did....he wasnt watching the WR. Had the CB bailed toward the endzone...the TE would have been open. If the SS and CB tried to switch spots, the TE is open. Had the CB bailed, SS stayed in the endzone, and DE/LB drop to the flat, then the RB would be open. THat's the progression of the play. Once DJ determined it was zone by the motion of the TE, the stage was set for one of those 3 things to happen. All he had to determine is if it was cover 2, 3 or 4 post snap. The corner was the key to determining that.
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Post by magilla on Aug 13, 2019 10:31:57 GMT -5
Find one. I dare you. No one ever questioned A perfectly executed TD pass by Eli. . I blame this whole thing on Cris Carter's desperate attempt to defend his trashing of DJ. Cris knows damn well what the play was, he knows damn well 90% of the starting strong safeties in the league cant defend the sideline or pile-on in cover 2 let alone cover a WR 1v1. The soft spot in cover 2 is the sideline beyond the corners zone! Cris is just buttsore that his boy Haskins had a bad day. As bad as Haskins was, he still displayed more timing and rhythm than Sam Darnold ever did. You wanna scrutinize someone? How about Sam Darnold mistaking zone coverage for man coverage on his almost intercepted pass. There is a reason why Peppers said he didnt expect Sam to throw the pass. You dont throw a flat vs cover 2...its what cover 2 was designed to beat. That is because Chris Carter has an agenda and by his statements in the media about Daniel Jones being drafted, Chris Carter agenda is that NY Giants are racist for drafting DJ. Unfortunately, Chris Carter is too much of a schmuck to admit when he is wrong and will continue with his BS.
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Post by desertash on Aug 13, 2019 10:35:16 GMT -5
didn't say corner....it'll rotate and both corners and safeties will trap him now and then again, he'll pick it up First pre-snap, then during the flow of play and finally he'll pick things up in the film room and have knowledge going into games about the Deion's and Palomalu's he'll face in his career and even bait them That's why he was watching the CB to see what he did....he wasnt watching the WR. Had the CB bailed toward the endzone...the TE would have been open. If the SS and CB tried to switch spots, the TE is open. Had the CB bailed, SS stayed in the endzone, and DE/LB drop to the flat, then the RB would be open. THat's the progression of the play. Once DJ determined it was zone by the motion of the TE, the stage was set for one of those 3 things to happen. All he had to determine is if it was cover 2, 3 or 4 post snap. The corner was the key to determining that. he nailed the throw, but he missed the progression there will be plays he regrets that, and it'll bite him...he'll learn
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 13, 2019 10:36:52 GMT -5
That's why he was watching the CB to see what he did....he wasnt watching the WR. Had the CB bailed toward the endzone...the TE would have been open. If the SS and CB tried to switch spots, the TE is open. Had the CB bailed, SS stayed in the endzone, and DE/LB drop to the flat, then the RB would be open. THat's the progression of the play. Once DJ determined it was zone by the motion of the TE, the stage was set for one of those 3 things to happen. All he had to determine is if it was cover 2, 3 or 4 post snap. The corner was the key to determining that. he nailed the throw, but he missed the progression there will be plays he regrets that, and it'll bite him...he'll learn I strongly disagree that he missed the progression as ive illustrated and explained in my previous posts.
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Post by desertash on Aug 13, 2019 10:39:11 GMT -5
he nailed the throw, but he missed the progression there will be plays he regrets that, and it'll bite him...he'll learn I strongly disagree that he missed the progression as ive illustrated and explained in my previous posts. And I disagree with your assessment on that. That simple.
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Aug 13, 2019 11:09:00 GMT -5
Look I’ll say one thing about the pass. I think it should’ve been over the shoulder of the WR but still nobody can say well it should’ve been int. Could it have been? Yeah but it didnt
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Aug 13, 2019 11:16:40 GMT -5
In your view, you can’t be a fan of both qbs, Excuse me. Please pay close attention to rule 120 section B. You must hate at least 1 Giants QB at all times. You may not like Jones and Eli. You can hate both if you want, but you may not like both. I think I found a loophole. You didn’t say it had to be a current giant. So let’s all agree we hate Dave Brown
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 11:39:50 GMT -5
I need a little more play this week to see what happens. a long way to go still.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 11:41:37 GMT -5
Incorrect...I discussed this in the comment section of a few youtube videos: This is a high/low concept with the key read being the corner on the bottom of the screen. If the corner bails to the endzone, he throws to the TE. If the corner stays on the TE like he did, he throws to the WR. Its the WRs responsibility to beat the strong safety to the pile-on. All DJ had to make sure of is that the strong safety was in trailing positing. Corner on the top of the screen is playing press, that's why he only looks to the right side. This is a very simple play that is the perfect call vs cover 2 or tampa 2. It was a great pass. At the same time. If he keeps telegraphing passes . It will be exploited and he is going to get into trouble. The NFL had proven that. Why you go through reads in the NFL. It is not the NCAA anymore. A good QB will know this and adjust, let's hope so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 11:46:57 GMT -5
I have ZERO issues to criticizing ANY player (including Jones) when it's warranted. This is not one of those cases. This was perfect execution of 5 pass plays that lead to 7 points. At no point during that drive was the ball put at risk. To suggest that he should have read through his progressions is a desperate attempt by those who feel Eli has been slighted by the praise of Jones' play. And YOU talking about "attacking other posters to make to make a point is hilariously hypocritical. You've been one of the more ridiculous one's in attacking anyone giving praise to the way Jones played. I believe the term you used was 'Knob slobbering". You even bragged that you were going to mercilessly "troll" anyone giving him praise. Talk about needing to grow a pair. Please. Your a child among men. Please. If I’m a child, you’re misplaced sperm. The rest of your post is made up drivel. I know how desperate you are to believe that.........but it really isn't even a contest. I stand behind every word I said in that post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 11:50:05 GMT -5
Jones next time you play perfectly please make it look like you were aware of every other option you could have used to not get completions and score a td. i guess if he had 7 completions in 5 attempts maybe he'd get some respect for it.
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Post by soflo on Aug 13, 2019 11:53:27 GMT -5
Funny you mention this because somebody posted a film study saying Eli would have taken the underneath. Which probably would've netted a TD in that particular play as well.....I mean, 3 guys were wide open. I doubt it would have been a TD because of the umbrella coverage in cover 2. Would definitely have been a first and goal, but the main point here is that Eli would have checked down regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 11:54:04 GMT -5
Please. If I’m a child, you’re misplaced sperm. The rest of your post is made up drivel. I know how desperate you are to believe that.........but it really isn't even a contest. I stand behind every word I said in that post. LOL. I’ll summarize. FBMOMB:you’re part of Eli mafia DS: you’re DJ’s side chick and misplaced sperm. FBomb: I stand behind my post. Weak even for your bro.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 12:09:47 GMT -5
I know how desperate you are to believe that.........but it really isn't even a contest. I stand behind every word I said in that post. LOL. I’ll summarize. FBMOMB - your part of Eli mafia DS - your DJ’s side chick and misplaced sperm. FBomb - I stand behind my post. Weak even for your bro. I get it. You can't have a conversation without the 8th grader insults, so anyone else not stooping to your level is viewed as weak. But, in reality, everyone see's you for what you are. Not very bright. Again, every word of my post was balls on accurate. I can even quote you if you'd like.
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Post by Merc on Aug 13, 2019 12:31:19 GMT -5
Perfectly executed TD pass. Would have, could have, should have only applies if he hadn't succeeded.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 12:36:31 GMT -5
Ah......how convenient. Come to think of it. I remember someone confessing to be the man on the grassy knoll.....but since it's on the old boards, you'll have to take my word for it. ........of course I do ,I trust you . By the way I have a bridge I will sell you............................... I don't need a bridge. I am, however, looking for a golf cart.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 12:40:22 GMT -5
LOL. I’ll summarize. FBMOMB - your part of Eli mafia DS - your DJ’s side chick and misplaced sperm. FBomb - I stand behind my post. Weak even for your bro. I get it. You can't have a conversation without the 8th grader insults, so anyone else not stooping to your level is viewed as weak. But, in reality, everyone see's you for what you are. Not very bright. Again, every word of my post was balls on accurate. I can even quote you if you'd like. Damn now playing the victim card. I guess your allowed this one time because you’ve been victimized pretty thoroughly. Oh and Mara said that he hopes DJ never sees the field. Is he a part of Eli Mafia too?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 13, 2019 12:43:16 GMT -5
I get it. You can't have a conversation without the 8th grader insults, so anyone else not stooping to your level is viewed as weak. But, in reality, everyone see's you for what you are. Not very bright. Again, every word of my post was balls on accurate. I can even quote you if you'd like. Damn now playing the victim card. I guess your allowed one because you’ve been victimized pretty thoroughly. Oh and Mara said that he hopes DJ never sees the field. Is he a part of Eli Mafia too? I saw those comments and they are ridiculous. Jones wasn't drafted to be the backup. Thank God he doesn't make player decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 12:47:01 GMT -5
Damn now playing the victim card. I guess your allowed one because you’ve been victimized pretty thoroughly. Oh and Mara said that he hopes DJ never sees the field. Is he a part of Eli Mafia too? I saw those comments and they are ridiculous. Jones wasn't drafted to be the backup. Thank God he doesn't make player decisions. I think he meant that if Eli remains the starter, then the giants are having s good year. He knows DJ is the future but Eli is the starter and if he’s holding onto his spot he will be doing it by playing well and winning.
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