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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 13, 2019 11:49:32 GMT -5
Went by quick.. Anyways,seems a lot of the vets got the day off... Seems the most noteworthy thing is that Slayton is on the field and impressing. Would be awesome if even in a limited role as he learns NFL route treee if he can impress enough so that it's not a dire need to get a dynamic playmaker early next year in the draft. Remember he already has a good chemistry with Jones as he was with the number 2's with Jones...something to put away for future reference when/if Jones takes over in the season,where all of a sudden Slayton also becomes productive when Jones is on the field (Remember for a 2 game spurt in 2004 Jamar Taylor made some plays downfield,probably because he was with Eli and the backups)
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 13, 2019 12:04:01 GMT -5
Went by quick.. Anyways,seems a lot of the vets got the day off... Seems the most noteworthy thing is that Slayton is on the field and impressing. Would be awesome if even in a limited role as he learns NFL route treee if he can impress enough so that it's not a dire need to get a dynamic playmaker early next year in the draft. Remember he already has a good chemistry with Jones as he was with the number 2's with Jones...something to put away for future reference when/if Jones takes over in the season,where all of a sudden Slayton also becomes productive when Jones is on the field (Remember for a 2 game spurt in 2004 Jamar Taylor made some plays downfield,probably because he was with Eli and the backups) With his speed, if he can stay healthy going forward, it should really help the overall offense. We simply don't have anyone else with wheels like that. I'm excited to see him play, hopefully on Friday.
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Post by soflo on Aug 13, 2019 12:09:26 GMT -5
Went by quick.. Anyways,seems a lot of the vets got the day off... Seems the most noteworthy thing is that Slayton is on the field and impressing. Would be awesome if even in a limited role as he learns NFL route treee if he can impress enough so that it's not a dire need to get a dynamic playmaker early next year in the draft. Remember he already has a good chemistry with Jones as he was with the number 2's with Jones...something to put away for future reference when/if Jones takes over in the season,where all of a sudden Slayton also becomes productive when Jones is on the field (Remember for a 2 game spurt in 2004 Jamar Taylor made some plays downfield,probably because he was with Eli and the backups) Either way we're going to be in dire need of an x receiver in the 2020 draft. DE and WR are going to be the two main targets in round 1. Giants have 80M in cap space next year, so I imagine they'll fill at least one of those holes before April.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 13, 2019 12:52:16 GMT -5
Went by quick.. Anyways,seems a lot of the vets got the day off... Seems the most noteworthy thing is that Slayton is on the field and impressing. Would be awesome if even in a limited role as he learns NFL route treee if he can impress enough so that it's not a dire need to get a dynamic playmaker early next year in the draft. Remember he already has a good chemistry with Jones as he was with the number 2's with Jones...something to put away for future reference when/if Jones takes over in the season,where all of a sudden Slayton also becomes productive when Jones is on the field (Remember for a 2 game spurt in 2004 Jamar Taylor made some plays downfield,probably because he was with Eli and the backups) Either way we're going to be in dire need of an x receiver in the 2020 draft. DE and WR are going to be the two main targets in round 1. Giants have 80M in cap space next year, so I imagine they'll fill at least one of those holes before April. Very few of the dynamic guys ever hit the open market... I mean Tyreek hill is FA next year but **** no... And it seems its easier with how the game is evolving to get a scheme fit guy from programs that seemingly are factories for these kinds of players that can step in quickly..this is one spot I'd rather take care of in the draft. To me the beat position to adress in FA would be RT ..sucks that we probably dont know what big George is or will be but if the team all off a sudden is in a win now window in 2020 its probably best to get a young guy in his prime there,this way all we need (depending if Pio is legit and resigned)is to groom a LT
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Post by lasion2 on Aug 13, 2019 19:46:21 GMT -5
When do cut downs start?
Happy Slayton is back out there. Any word on Beal?
FA targets in 2020: Top Tier RT ILB OLB
Mid Tier: CB S
Draft targets in 2020 first 4 picks: X WR LT LB DL
My opinion. Have said it a lot. It would make this time next year very, very interesting as a lot of pretty good guys should by vying for a spot on the 53. All subject to change as we observe this season.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Aug 13, 2019 20:03:20 GMT -5
I really don't think this team needs a dynamic upper tier type WR. We've won Super Bowls without one. Don't get me wrong Cruz and Nicks were very good but not OBJ type talent. What is the last team that won a SB with a guy like that? Atlanta should have with Julio but they didn't. NE hasnt hasnt had one since Moss and we know how that season ended. Julian Edelman is good but not that type of talent. Denver had good receivers but not great when they won.
This team can win without that type of guy, if they have the right pieces on the rest of the team.
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Post by lasion2 on Aug 13, 2019 20:11:36 GMT -5
I’ll enjoy legacy touting the intricacies of a dynamic 12 formation to you.
I’ll add; I agree with him.
The crux of it is that without the threat of a “take the top off” guy, the underneath/intermediate throws won’t open up. With 5 down linemen and a qb the offense is already 2 men down. Bottle up a so-so X with one cb and that leaves 2 free lancers to blitz barkley and help out on shep or engram. Neuters everything Shurmur will be trying to do.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 13, 2019 20:45:40 GMT -5
I’ll enjoy legacy touting the intricacies of a dynamic 12 formation to you. I’ll add; I agree with him. The crux of it is that without the threat of a “take the top off” guy, the underneath/intermediate throws won’t open up. With 5 down linemen and a qb the offense is already 2 men down. Bottle up a so-so X with one cb and that leaves 2 free lancers to blitz barkley and help out on shep or engram. Neuters everything Shurmur will be trying to do. All I see is the usual arrogant "bla bla bla we never won with good recievers" And the New England false equivalency from fans with their heads stuck up the old school prehistoric ass. 1 Cruz and Nicks were indeed top recievers in the league....FACT. 2.Burress was indeed a top receiver..look what happened in 2008 3.unti we have an exact Clone of Brady we wont win with a piddling middling group like we have now...oh...Gronk is a HOF TE and Edleman is now being talked as a HOF reciever. Remember,this subset of fans is highly allergic to modern high scoring offenses and the foward pass in general and want to go back to a time when teams barely thres it more than 12 times a game...you can't argue with them If you have no threat in this day of anyone that can take the top off the defense or a dominant 12 formation to force teams into major cognitive dissonance pre snap you will be very easy to defend unfortunately
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 13, 2019 20:53:11 GMT -5
I really don't think this team needs a dynamic upper tier type WR. We've won Super Bowls without one. Don't get me wrong Cruz and Nicks were very good but not OBJ type talent. What is the last team that won a SB with a guy like that? Atlanta should have with Julio but they didn't. NE hasnt hasnt had one since Moss and we know how that season ended. Julian Edelman is good but not that type of talent. Denver had good receivers but not great when they won. This team can win without that type of guy, if they have the right pieces on the rest of the team. Cruz had a franchise best year in 2011. He was better than OBJ that one year. Nicks was an absolute beast in 2011 as well while healthy. In 2007 we have Plax and Toomer and Steve Smith. Not too shabby either. We need a WR to help release SQB if nothing else. Right now, defenses 1st 2nd and 3rd focus is stopping Barkley. This will impact Eli as well.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 13, 2019 20:53:24 GMT -5
When do cut downs start? Happy Slayton is back out there. Any word on Beal? FA targets in 2020: Top Tier RT ILB OLB Mid Tier: CB S Draft targets in 2020 first 4 picks: X WR LT LB DL My opinion. Have said it a lot. It would make this time next year very, very interesting as a lot of pretty good guys should by vying for a spot on the 53. All subject to change as we observe this season. Pretty much spot on For this to be a successful season even at the 6-10 season I think we have we need to obviously see all our youth develop,but also cross out as many of these needs for 2020 as possible Slayton would make dynamic playmaker less of a need,(though if we really knock a bunch of theee needs off our 2020 list passing on one of the Alabama guys or Lamb if they are BPA would be foolish) The real elephant in the room is our entire LB group for 2020 It could go any number of ways..a truly successful 2019 season means all 4 of X man,Carter,Connelly and Tae Davis are legit,behind Hill,Tomlinson and Lawrence that could be a top front 7 unit ...even if half of them develop. The idea is hope that we aren't shopping hungry going into the 2020 offseason at too many positions,ideally maybe need to buy one big ticket guy(that would probably be a RT)then use the rest of our cap space to start extending guys early
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 12:49:19 GMT -5
I really don't think this team needs a dynamic upper tier type WR. We've won Super Bowls without one. Don't get me wrong Cruz and Nicks were very good but not OBJ type talent. What is the last team that won a SB with a guy like that? Atlanta should have with Julio but they didn't. NE hasnt hasnt had one since Moss and we know how that season ended. Julian Edelman is good but not that type of talent. Denver had good receivers but not great when they won. This team can win without that type of guy, if they have the right pieces on the rest of the team. We need something though. NE had Gronk and Tom Brady and Bill B and a top 5 defense. Denver had the best D in the world that year. Seattle won with their great D. The Packers had Rodgers. We had a great D and Manning was awesome. There is no one single piece we "need" but we have to have something.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Aug 14, 2019 15:09:56 GMT -5
As I mentioned, if we have the right pieces elsewhere we can win without a dominant, dynamic receiver. I acknowledged how good Cruz and Nicks were, but sorry they aren't HOFers...They had great seasons for sure.
I am not saying we can win a SB with the guys we have now. All I am saying is other teams have won without a great HOF type receiver if they have other pieces- maybe a dynamic RB like Saquan who is a dual threat, or a Gronk type TE.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 14, 2019 15:14:16 GMT -5
I really don't think this team needs a dynamic upper tier type WR. We've won Super Bowls without one. Don't get me wrong Cruz and Nicks were very good but not OBJ type talent. What is the last team that won a SB with a guy like that? Atlanta should have with Julio but they didn't. NE hasnt hasnt had one since Moss and we know how that season ended. Julian Edelman is good but not that type of talent. Denver had good receivers but not great when they won. This team can win without that type of guy, if they have the right pieces on the rest of the team. We need something though. NE had Gronk and Tom Brady and Bill B and a top 5 defense. Denver had the best D in the world that year. Seattle won with their great D. The Packers had Rodgers. We had a great D and Manning was awesome. There is no one single piece we "need" but we have to have something. Nevermind the fact if the Falcons don't blow a 25 point lead they win with Julio having a big game with the Patriots trying to take him away which opened up their running game (which the Falcons inexplicably abandoned in the 4th quarter when it couldn't be stopped because their top receiver was such a force) The "we don't need ....never won....New England " fallacy argument = I hate fun/exciting/awesome things and want to win games in a boring bland 6-3 style ...which really irritates me about that subset of fans ..because it will not work in this era . Every team in the playoffs had a top threat in the passing game that teams had to account for,even New England,which had 2..except the Ravens and they got punked at home ... Top receiving threat =teams forced to account for them= opening up running game /underneath stuff..including the 2 super bowl teams ..
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Post by Kase1 on Aug 14, 2019 15:17:41 GMT -5
Went by quick.. Anyways,seems a lot of the vets got the day off... Seems the most noteworthy thing is that Slayton is on the field and impressing. Would be awesome if even in a limited role as he learns NFL route treee if he can impress enough so that it's not a dire need to get a dynamic playmaker early next year in the draft. Remember he already has a good chemistry with Jones as he was with the number 2's with Jones...something to put away for future reference when/if Jones takes over in the season,where all of a sudden Slayton also becomes productive when Jones is on the field (Remember for a 2 game spurt in 2004 Jamar Taylor made some plays downfield,probably because he was with Eli and the backups) Either way we're going to be in dire need of an x receiver in the 2020 draft. DE and WR are going to be the two main targets in round 1. Giants have 80M in cap space next year, so I imagine they'll fill at least one of those holes before April. Id put OT, ILB, and depending on how Halapio does, maybe Center.... My man Tyler Biadacz is coming out of Wisconsin and should be the top Center in the draft, no holes in that dudes game As for DE, with Tomlinson, Lawrence, and Hill we are pretty good at DE as all 3 of them could be a DE in the 3-4. But depth cant hurt
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 14, 2019 15:20:14 GMT -5
As I mentioned, if we have the right pieces elsewhere we can win without a dominant, dynamic receiver. I acknowledged how good Cruz and Nicks were, but sorry they aren't HOFers...They had great seasons for sure. I am not saying we can win a SB with the guys we have now. All I am saying is other teams have won without a great HOF type receiver if they have other pieces- maybe a dynamic RB like Saquan who is a dual threat, or a Gronk type TE. Cruz and Nick's had all pro numbers that year,they go 6-10 or worse without them and Eli. Dynamic = Cooks, Hill,and yes Eldsman is indeed a dynamic playmaker(look at their record without him) We.do not have anything remotely like this on the roster right now until proven otherwise. Modern NFL,if you don't have anyone that defenses have to scheme against to the point it risks opening up underneath and the running game,your not going to have an offense that can compete in every kind of scenario,which includes having to come back from 2 scores down in the 4th quarter if needed or win a shootout if needed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 15:28:42 GMT -5
As I mentioned, if we have the right pieces elsewhere we can win without a dominant, dynamic receiver. I acknowledged how good Cruz and Nicks were, but sorry they aren't HOFers...They had great seasons for sure. I am not saying we can win a SB with the guys we have now. All I am saying is other teams have won without a great HOF type receiver if they have other pieces- maybe a dynamic RB like Saquan who is a dual threat, or a Gronk type TE. They had a better QB , sorry but some cant seem to grasp this. Eli would need all that in place to succeed. and even then might not be able to.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 14, 2019 15:28:52 GMT -5
Either way we're going to be in dire need of an x receiver in the 2020 draft. DE and WR are going to be the two main targets in round 1. Giants have 80M in cap space next year, so I imagine they'll fill at least one of those holes before April. Id put OT, ILB, and depending on how Halapio does, maybe Center.... My man Tyler Biadacz is coming out of Wisconsin and should be the top Center in the draft, no holes in that dudes game As for DE, with Tomlinson, Lawrence, and Hill we are pretty good at DE as all 3 of them could be a DE in the 3-4. But depth cant hurt Center could be a spotted pink elephant going into next offseason with Halapio going to be an UFA next year. 3 scenarios 1.he sucks and we need one 2.he is good and we resign him for market value next year (think 45 million for 5 years) 3 he ie good and someone badly overpays.him. The dilemma for 2 and 3 If we draft a top C even in the 1st he could be coming up for.his 2ndn.contract after we hypothetically resign Jones to an massive deal that would cut our cap space bigtime. Or.we pay him,and while most of the line could be completed for a few years we could conceivably have a lot of cap space tied up in in one position group My opinion If Halapio is good enough pay him now and the RT FA so Jones has a great line in 2020 ame 2021 while Getty drafts depth/future replacement parts while Jones is in his rookie deal.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 14, 2019 15:38:35 GMT -5
As I mentioned, if we have the right pieces elsewhere we can win without a dominant, dynamic receiver. I acknowledged how good Cruz and Nicks were, but sorry they aren't HOFers...They had great seasons for sure. I am not saying we can win a SB with the guys we have now. All I am saying is other teams have won without a great HOF type receiver if they have other pieces- maybe a dynamic RB like Saquan who is a dual threat, or a Gronk type TE. They had a better QB , sorry but some cant seem to grasp this. Eli would need all that in place to succeed. and even then might not be able to. Nevermind Eli,him and this season for that matter is irrelevant Besides a good running game young QBs best friend is enough weapons,especially someone that forces defenses to have to overcompensate enough to make other reads all over the field that much easier Even going back to 2005 Plax opened up the entire offense and undoubtedly made it much easier for Tiki to have that amazing year. Recent vintage with modern offenses Rams with 3 really good recievers opened up Gurley and helped Goff Wentz was helped by the best 12 formation since Bavaro and Mowatt (Ertz and Selik]and Jeffries,which opened up the no huddle power game and also helped Foles And Tyreek Hill made it very easy for Mahomes to show.off what he had Watson with Hopkins Unless Jones comes out with Brady in his prime skillsets or Slayton is legit we will need this guy next year..
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Post by Kase1 on Aug 14, 2019 15:40:10 GMT -5
Id put OT, ILB, and depending on how Halapio does, maybe Center.... My man Tyler Biadacz is coming out of Wisconsin and should be the top Center in the draft, no holes in that dudes game As for DE, with Tomlinson, Lawrence, and Hill we are pretty good at DE as all 3 of them could be a DE in the 3-4. But depth cant hurt Center could be a spotted pink elephant going into next offseason with Halapio going to be an UFA next year. 3 scenarios 1.he sucks and we need one 2.he is good and we resign him for market value next year (think 45 million for 5 years) 3 he ie good and someone badly overpays.him. The dilemma for 2 and 3 If we draft a top C even in the 1st he could be coming up for.his 2ndn.contract after we hypothetically resign Jones to an massive deal that would cut our cap space bigtime. Or.we pay him,and while most of the line could be completed for a few years we could conceivably have a lot of cap space tied up in in one position group My opinion If Halapio is good enough pay him now and the RT FA so Jones has a great line in 2020 ame 2021 while Getty drafts depth/future replacement parts while Jones is in his rookie deal. A spotted pink elephant???? LMFAO, I can faithfully say that ive NEVER heard that expression before.... I would like to see Halapio come out and totally dominate, do I think its going to happen?? I have no clue, Ive only seen him play like 1 game. I didnt realize that he was a FA going into next year, so this will be a HUGE season for him. Not too sure who is going to be a FA at the end of the season, I havent done the research, but Im not sure where I stand on Wheeler, and Big George is intriguing but he is going to miss valuable time this year and was a late or maybe even UDFA pick. So im not sold on him being the answer, just yet. Hopefully DG keeps rebuilding this OL while DJ is on his rookie deal, which in turn will give us a GREAT foundation for years to come. So far his track record with OL is pretty good, so im going to put my faith in him
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 14, 2019 15:57:29 GMT -5
Center could be a spotted pink elephant going into next offseason with Halapio going to be an UFA next year. 3 scenarios 1.he sucks and we need one 2.he is good and we resign him for market value next year (think 45 million for 5 years) 3 he ie good and someone badly overpays.him. The dilemma for 2 and 3 If we draft a top C even in the 1st he could be coming up for.his 2ndn.contract after we hypothetically resign Jones to an massive deal that would cut our cap space bigtime. Or.we pay him,and while most of the line could be completed for a few years we could conceivably have a lot of cap space tied up in in one position group My opinion If Halapio is good enough pay him now and the RT FA so Jones has a great line in 2020 ame 2021 while Getty drafts depth/future replacement parts while Jones is in his rookie deal. A spotted pink elephant???? LMFAO, I can faithfully say that ive NEVER heard that expression before.... I would like to see Halapio come out and totally dominate, do I think its going to happen?? I have no clue, Ive only seen him play like 1 game. I didnt realize that he was a FA going into next year, so this will be a HUGE season for him. Not too sure who is going to be a FA at the end of the season, I havent done the research, but Im not sure where I stand on Wheeler, and Big George is intriguing but he is going to miss valuable time this year and was a late or maybe even UDFA pick. So im not sold on him being the answer, just yet. Hopefully DG keeps rebuilding this OL while DJ is on his rookie deal, which in turn will give us a GREAT foundation for years to come. So far his track record with OL is pretty good, so im going to put my faith in him Yeah that is definitely Getty's biggest strength,building the trenches,especially (other than Hernandez last year which was the biggest no brainer in history)not using premium draft picks on the o line,which helps because it allows teams to go BPA with playmaker on both sides of the ball(and I include pass rushers as a playmaker)with premium picks.. Look at Dallas,they had to use 1st round picks 3 out of 4 years from 2011-2014 to build their line because like us they bombed badly in the middle rounds ...because of this they also missed out on the desperately needed playmakers on defense that they also needed,which caused them to take risks with off field flagged players and medical.risks Then having to overcompensate drafting defense while their line starts to slowly erode and all their young players now coming up for new deals including their QB. This is how you end up with a perennial "irrelevant playoff type team" that is always around a playoff berth but is always home by mid Jan because they are out of balance as a team having to play catch up on one side of the ball. Kind of what happened to us starting in 2014
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 14, 2019 15:58:32 GMT -5
Center could be a spotted pink elephant going into next offseason with Halapio going to be an UFA next year. 3 scenarios 1.he sucks and we need one 2.he is good and we resign him for market value next year (think 45 million for 5 years) 3 he ie good and someone badly overpays.him. The dilemma for 2 and 3 If we draft a top C even in the 1st he could be coming up for.his 2ndn.contract after we hypothetically resign Jones to an massive deal that would cut our cap space bigtime. Or.we pay him,and while most of the line could be completed for a few years we could conceivably have a lot of cap space tied up in in one position group My opinion If Halapio is good enough pay him now and the RT FA so Jones has a great line in 2020 ame 2021 while Getty drafts depth/future replacement parts while Jones is in his rookie deal. A spotted pink elephant???? LMFAO, I can faithfully say that ive NEVER heard that expression before.... I would like to see Halapio come out and totally dominate, do I think its going to happen?? I have no clue, Ive only seen him play like 1 game. I didnt realize that he was a FA going into next year, so this will be a HUGE season for him. Not too sure who is going to be a FA at the end of the season, I havent done the research, but Im not sure where I stand on Wheeler, and Big George is intriguing but he is going to miss valuable time this year and was a late or maybe even UDFA pick. So im not sold on him being the answer, just yet. Hopefully DG keeps rebuilding this OL while DJ is on his rookie deal, which in turn will give us a GREAT foundation for years to come. So far his track record with OL is pretty good, so im going to put my faith in him I felt like I got trampled by one a few years ago after way too much tequila...
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 14, 2019 16:14:52 GMT -5
A spotted pink elephant???? LMFAO, I can faithfully say that ive NEVER heard that expression before.... I would like to see Halapio come out and totally dominate, do I think its going to happen?? I have no clue, Ive only seen him play like 1 game. I didnt realize that he was a FA going into next year, so this will be a HUGE season for him. Not too sure who is going to be a FA at the end of the season, I havent done the research, but Im not sure where I stand on Wheeler, and Big George is intriguing but he is going to miss valuable time this year and was a late or maybe even UDFA pick. So im not sold on him being the answer, just yet. Hopefully DG keeps rebuilding this OL while DJ is on his rookie deal, which in turn will give us a GREAT foundation for years to come. So far his track record with OL is pretty good, so im going to put my faith in him I felt like I got trampled by one a few years ago after way too much tequila... I feel like I've been repeatedly trampled by one watching this team since 2013
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Post by Speedman on Aug 14, 2019 18:16:21 GMT -5
As I mentioned, if we have the right pieces elsewhere we can win without a dominant, dynamic receiver. I acknowledged how good Cruz and Nicks were, but sorry they aren't HOFers...They had great seasons for sure. I am not saying we can win a SB with the guys we have now. All I am saying is other teams have won without a great HOF type receiver if they have other pieces- maybe a dynamic RB like Saquan who is a dual threat, or a Gronk type TE. They had a better QB , sorry but some cant seem to grasp this. Eli would need all that in place to succeed. and even then might not be able to. Are you forgetting that the Giants with Eli beat the record breaking scoring and undefeated Patriots with Brady and Moss? It’s a team sport.
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Post by soflo on Aug 14, 2019 22:10:34 GMT -5
Either way we're going to be in dire need of an x receiver in the 2020 draft. DE and WR are going to be the two main targets in round 1. Giants have 80M in cap space next year, so I imagine they'll fill at least one of those holes before April. Id put OT, ILB, and depending on how Halapio does, maybe Center.... My man Tyler Biadacz is coming out of Wisconsin and should be the top Center in the draft, no holes in that dudes game As for DE, with Tomlinson, Lawrence, and Hill we are pretty good at DE as all 3 of them could be a DE in the 3-4. But depth cant hurt I don't see them prioritizing offensive line early next draft. And we're probably looking for a Josh Allen type of speed rusher and they will probably look to copy the philly playbook of a 6 man rotation so they're going to need more of those guys.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 15, 2019 6:19:55 GMT -5
I felt like I got trampled by one a few years ago after way too much tequila... I feel like I've been repeatedly trampled by one watching this team since 2013 touche!!
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Post by giants8493 on Aug 15, 2019 8:46:37 GMT -5
I really don't think this team needs a dynamic upper tier type WR. We've won Super Bowls without one. Don't get me wrong Cruz and Nicks were very good but not OBJ type talent. What is the last team that won a SB with a guy like that? Atlanta should have with Julio but they didn't. NE hasnt hasnt had one since Moss and we know how that season ended. Julian Edelman is good but not that type of talent. Denver had good receivers but not great when they won. This team can win without that type of guy, if they have the right pieces on the rest of the team. We need something though. NE had Gronk and Tom Brady and Bill B and a top 5 defense. Denver had the best D in the world that year. Seattle won with their great D. The Packers had Rodgers. We had a great D and Manning was awesome. There is no one single piece we "need" but we have to have something. We have Saquon. Engram is a match up problem at TE as well. We have something. Can always use more though.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 15, 2019 8:54:03 GMT -5
Went by quick.. Anyways,seems a lot of the vets got the day off... Seems the most noteworthy thing is that Slayton is on the field and impressing. Would be awesome if even in a limited role as he learns NFL route treee if he can impress enough so that it's not a dire need to get a dynamic playmaker early next year in the draft. Remember he already has a good chemistry with Jones as he was with the number 2's with Jones...something to put away for future reference when/if Jones takes over in the season,where all of a sudden Slayton also becomes productive when Jones is on the field (Remember for a 2 game spurt in 2004 Jamar Taylor made some plays downfield,probably because he was with Eli and the backups) With his speed, if he can stay healthy going forward, it should really help the overall offense. We simply don't have anyone else with wheels like that. I'm excited to see him play, hopefully on Friday. Yes to all of that. Let's go!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 10:53:12 GMT -5
I really don't think this team needs a dynamic upper tier type WR. We've won Super Bowls without one. Don't get me wrong Cruz and Nicks were very good but not OBJ type talent. What is the last team that won a SB with a guy like that? Atlanta should have with Julio but they didn't. NE hasnt hasnt had one since Moss and we know how that season ended. Julian Edelman is good but not that type of talent. Denver had good receivers but not great when they won. This team can win without that type of guy, if they have the right pieces on the rest of the team. How are you forgetting about Plax????
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Post by Kase1 on Aug 15, 2019 16:53:13 GMT -5
Id put OT, ILB, and depending on how Halapio does, maybe Center.... My man Tyler Biadacz is coming out of Wisconsin and should be the top Center in the draft, no holes in that dudes game As for DE, with Tomlinson, Lawrence, and Hill we are pretty good at DE as all 3 of them could be a DE in the 3-4. But depth cant hurt I don't see them prioritizing offensive line early next draft. And we're probably looking for a Josh Allen type of speed rusher and they will probably look to copy the philly playbook of a 6 man rotation so they're going to need more of those guys. Man, i REALLY wanted Allen.... Depending on how Carter and Ximines do, an OLB pass rusher may not take TOP priority.... Then again i can see the doing BPA
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Post by OrangeGiant on Aug 16, 2019 8:39:45 GMT -5
I really don't think this team needs a dynamic upper tier type WR. We've won Super Bowls without one. Don't get me wrong Cruz and Nicks were very good but not OBJ type talent. What is the last team that won a SB with a guy like that? Atlanta should have with Julio but they didn't. NE hasnt hasnt had one since Moss and we know how that season ended. Julian Edelman is good but not that type of talent. Denver had good receivers but not great when they won. This team can win without that type of guy, if they have the right pieces on the rest of the team. How are you forgetting about Plax???? Of course I am not forgetting Plax (glad you called him Plax and not Plex like I see so many other people do). My point was we don't need another OBJ to win a SB. Yes, Plax, Cruz, Nicks, were very good and for a short time bordering on great. They never got there, mainly due to injury or accidental shooting. I was just saying we don't need someone with generational talent like OBJ to win. Do we need good receivers? Of course we do. I already said we can't win a SB with what we have......hey maybe a guy like Slayton becomes that guy, who knows?
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