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Post by mikethenygfan on Aug 13, 2019 14:44:03 GMT -5
www.giants.com/video/sights-and-sounds-giants-defeat-jets-to-open-preseason Now i dont usually put much stock into the pre season but you clearly see in this video the team building chemistry that goes on and i think that win against the jets matters. It gives the guys confidence and something to build on. Heres to hoping everything goes right and the giants shock the world and make the playoffs and eli has one more magical run. Also very excited for the day that daniel jones starts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 6:26:33 GMT -5
Looking up is about the only choice we have since the last several years have been pretty bad.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 14, 2019 6:45:38 GMT -5
Pre season is very specific about what to take from it and what not to take form it. Those who say its meaningless or worthless are 100% wrong.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 14, 2019 7:23:53 GMT -5
www.giants.com/video/sights-and-sounds-giants-defeat-jets-to-open-preseason Now i dont usually put much stock into the pre season but you clearly see in this video the team building chemistry that goes on and i think that win against the jets matters. It gives the guys confidence and something to build on. Heres to hoping everything goes right and the giants shock the world and make the playoffs and eli has one more magical run. Also very excited for the day that daniel jones starts. Absolutely matters. For this team more so ,they were playing solid football as a team the last 8 games last year and they added a lot more young and new faces to mix the want that chemistry to keep building. A team that is veteran and and no what it takes not so much they play the preseason to work on technique a timing the chemistry is already there.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 14, 2019 7:33:06 GMT -5
Pre season is very specific about what to take from it and what not to take form it. Those who say its meaningless or worthless are 100% wrong. To me it's more about looking like a team execution timing energy.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 7:45:11 GMT -5
Pre season is very specific about what to take from it and what not to take form it. Those who say its meaningless or worthless are 100% wrong. Exactly but people have to understand that winning in preseason is nice and it's fun but it is not a priority. I don't think it is a priority but I do think it matters. Winning even a meaningless game builds a culture of winning. I don't want guys that get comfortable losing games. It feels good to win and I'm sure the locker room was happy and celebrated after the win. You can see on the sidelines how much happier our side looked than the Jets (or the putrid Cowboys). Lots of mental benefits to winning games...even in the preseason.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 14, 2019 8:21:10 GMT -5
Exactly but people have to understand that winning in preseason is nice and it's fun but it is not a priority. I don't think it is a priority but I do think it matters. Winning even a meaningless game builds a culture of winning. I don't want guys that get comfortable losing games. It feels good to win and I'm sure the locker room was happy and celebrated after the win. You can see on the sidelines how much happier our side looked than the Jets (or the putrid Cowboys). Lots of mental benefits to winning games...even in the preseason. agreed.....winning def matters because the guiys who are in the game at the end are the ones who are really on the bubble and giving their all......or should. Its not a reflection of the season but winning is always better
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 14, 2019 8:24:23 GMT -5
Pre season is very specific about what to take from it and what not to take form it. Those who say its meaningless or worthless are 100% wrong. So every NFL veteran is wrong then. Because if you ask them they can’t stand preseason games. It’s more for rookies and undrafted free agents.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 14, 2019 8:31:16 GMT -5
Pre season is very specific about what to take from it and what not to take form it. Those who say its meaningless or worthless are 100% wrong. So every NFL veteran is wrong then. Because if you ask them they can’t stand preseason games. It’s more for rookies and undrafted free agents. thats what I mean...the games are not worthless because you have to see what the new kids can do or even the older guys but new to your team. The vets dont want the bullshit but they will probably also tell you practice is not worth it either.
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Post by Nite on Aug 14, 2019 8:33:06 GMT -5
Winning does matter in preseason as it sets the tone for the regular season. However, I don't go into an existential crisis if a game is not won.. I like to look at certain players and see how they do. Also there are always a couple that seemingly come out of the blue and make a splash..
Then there is the 'entertainment factor in the myriad of blogs, the backtracking of the 'moms basement scouts' and the drivel merchants attempting to sell their pablum (dudes watch a f***in tape once in a while!) to the gullible.. Then there is the local online entertainment right around the corner (at my keyboards) which conveniently supplies additional entertainment..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 9:07:47 GMT -5
Damn, just found out our next game is Friday night. I thought it was tomorrow. Now we have to wait an extra 24 hrs to hear our DJs second song.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 9:37:41 GMT -5
Are you guys really arguing that "winning" preseason games matters? Winning? That absolutely doesnt matter. Most games are decided by guys that get cut or are backups. What does matter if how the teams perform. Getting the execution down. Having all the 1s get in sync. Thats what matters. Teh 3rd preseason game is probably the most important one to "win" because its the game where the #1s play the most. But who cares about the W.
Detroit went 4-0 and then went 0-16.
Wins dont matter in the preseason, the production matters.
You want to see good production int he 1st Qs of the games mostly. You want to see things progressing as the games go by.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 14, 2019 9:38:17 GMT -5
So every NFL veteran is wrong then. Because if you ask them they can’t stand preseason games. It’s more for rookies and undrafted free agents. LOL, not the same thing. When I played(college) I hated the pre season and practice games but ask me if they are necessary or meaningful and I'll tell you yes. As a player you have to get use to getting hit and now with the new CBA that has almost no contact in practice at all then these games matter more that you think . Carl Banks said the same thing . The others are right when they talk about building chemistry and team building ....there is a bonding process that many outsiders just can't seem to understand ,pre season matters. Do a survey of 100 NFL vets and ask them this question. I guarantee you more than 80% are against preseason and all that comes with it. You're talking about paid professionals, not College kids with acne on their face. These guys train year round, they do everything to prepare their bodies for the long season. A 8 year vet is doing everything possible not to get hurt for the month. You think these guys aren't ready by preseason 2 tops?
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Post by jmike on Aug 14, 2019 9:40:36 GMT -5
Pre season is very specific about what to take from it and what not to take form it. Those who say its meaningless or worthless are 100% wrong. So every NFL veteran is wrong then. Because if you ask them they can’t stand preseason games. It’s more for rookies and undrafted free agents. They do hate it, but I don't see them saying it doesn't matter.
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Post by jmike on Aug 14, 2019 9:45:05 GMT -5
LOL, not the same thing. When I played(college) I hated the pre season and practice games but ask me if they are necessary or meaningful and I'll tell you yes. As a player you have to get use to getting hit and now with the new CBA that has almost no contact in practice at all then these games matter more that you think . Carl Banks said the same thing . The others are right when they talk about building chemistry and team building ....there is a bonding process that many outsiders just can't seem to understand ,pre season matters. Do a survey of 100 NFL vets and ask them this question. I guarantee you more than 80% are against preseason and all that comes with it. You're talking about paid professionals, not College kids with acne on their face. These guys train year round, they do everything to prepare their bodies for the long season. A 8 year vet is doing everything possible not to get hurt for the month. You think these guys aren't ready by preseason 2 tops? I have observed what seems to be a decline in overall quality of play early in the season ever since the pre-season practice time began being reduced and limited. If it doesn't matter, why would this happen? If you are right and their opinion is that it does not matter, does that mean it doesn't matter or could their opinions be incorrect based on the observable results?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 9:45:49 GMT -5
So every NFL veteran is wrong then. Because if you ask them they can’t stand preseason games. It’s more for rookies and undrafted free agents. They do hate it, but I don't see them saying it doesn't matter. It matters, but winning doesnt matter.
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Post by jmike on Aug 14, 2019 9:49:49 GMT -5
They do hate it, but I don't see them saying it doesn't matter. It matters, but winning doesnt matter. IDK, couldn't say. Winning doesn't matter to me as a fan. Though for those kids playing at the end of the game. You don't think making a few plays or scoring late to win or seal a win doesn't matter to them....as they are fighting an uphill battle to make the team? I suspect it does matter to them, but idk, never been there.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 9:52:28 GMT -5
Are you guys really arguing that "winning" preseason games matters? Winning? That absolutely doesnt matter. Most games are decided by guys that get cut or are backups. What does matter if how the teams perform. Getting the execution down. Having all the 1s get in sync. Thats what matters. Teh 3rd preseason game is probably the most important one to "win" because its the game where the #1s play the most. But who cares about the W. Detroit went 4-0 and then went 0-16. Wins dont matter in the preseason, the production matters. You want to see good production int he 1st Qs of the games mostly. You want to see things progressing as the games go by. Losing is never fun and never good for a locker room. Winning in the preseason does not mean you will win in the regular season, but it's never a good thing to lose. Put another way Losing is bad. Since losing is bad and the only other real alternative is winning then Winning = good. Of the last 12 Super Bowl winners only 1 had a losing preseason record and we barely made the playoffs that year. Winning does not ensure you will win, but losing in the preseason sure seems like an ominous sign.
Pats - 3-1 Eagles 2-2 (Pats were 1-3 this year)
Pats 3-1 Broncos 3-1 Pats 2-2 Seahawks 4-0 Ravens 2-2 Giants 2-2 Packers 2-2 Saints 3-1 Steelers 3-1 Giants 1-3
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 14, 2019 9:55:44 GMT -5
Do a survey of 100 NFL vets and ask them this question. I guarantee you more than 80% are against preseason and all that comes with it. You're talking about paid professionals, not College kids with acne on their face. These guys train year round, they do everything to prepare their bodies for the long season. A 8 year vet is doing everything possible not to get hurt for the month. You think these guys aren't ready by preseason 2 tops? I have observed what seems to be a decline in overall quality of play early in the season ever since the pre-season practice time began being reduced and limited. If it doesn't matter, why would this happen? If you are right and their opinion is that it does not matter, does that mean it doesn't matter or could their opinions be incorrect based on the observable results? If I knew that answer I would be working for the NFL committee.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 9:55:51 GMT -5
Do a survey of 100 NFL vets and ask them this question. I guarantee you more than 80% are against preseason and all that comes with it. You're talking about paid professionals, not College kids with acne on their face. These guys train year round, they do everything to prepare their bodies for the long season. A 8 year vet is doing everything possible not to get hurt for the month. You think these guys aren't ready by preseason 2 tops? Not wanting to get hurt and not wanting to win are very different things.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 9:58:49 GMT -5
The Reskins are the only team ever to go 0-4 in the preseason and win the Super Bowl. Losing is bad (why is that surprising?).
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 10:03:56 GMT -5
When asked about winning the preseason Frank Reich said... “It was nice last year to win a couple, you know?’’ he said with a smile Tuesday afternoon. “I’m not going to lie, and we always play to win. At the end of the day, you’re really just evaluating the players and who’s going to be on this roster.’’
Like people said here. You are evaluating players, you want to get through injury free and you want to win. No one wants their team being comfortable losing. Winning isn't #1 but it is important.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 10:04:39 GMT -5
It matters, but winning doesnt matter. IDK, couldn't say. Winning doesn't matter to me as a fan. Though for those kids playing at the end of the game. You don't think making a few plays or scoring late to win or seal a win doesn't matter to them....as they are fighting an uphill battle to make the team? I suspect it does matter to them, but idk, never been there. What I mean is, winning preseason games doesnt matter anything rolling into the regular season. Like you just said, the guys who are mostly responsible for the Ws and Ls in preseason are cut or burred on the depth chart.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 10:07:16 GMT -5
Are you guys really arguing that "winning" preseason games matters? Winning? That absolutely doesnt matter. Most games are decided by guys that get cut or are backups. What does matter if how the teams perform. Getting the execution down. Having all the 1s get in sync. Thats what matters. Teh 3rd preseason game is probably the most important one to "win" because its the game where the #1s play the most. But who cares about the W. Detroit went 4-0 and then went 0-16. Wins dont matter in the preseason, the production matters. You want to see good production int he 1st Qs of the games mostly. You want to see things progressing as the games go by. Losing is never fun and never good for a locker room. Winning in the preseason does not mean you will win in the regular season, but it's never a good thing to lose. Put another way Losing is bad. Since losing is bad and the only other real alternative is winning then Winning = good. Of the last 12 Super Bowl winners only 1 had a losing preseason record and we barely made the playoffs that year. Winning does not ensure you will win, but losing in the preseason sure seems like an ominous sign.
Pats - 3-1 Eagles 2-2 (Pats were 1-3 this year)
Pats 3-1 Broncos 3-1 Pats 2-2 Seahawks 4-0 Ravens 2-2 Giants 2-2 Packers 2-2 Saints 3-1 Steelers 3-1 Giants 1-3
Are you saying better teams normally play better in the preseason? Wow... I never would have guessed that! If the Pats go 0-4, Im pretty sure it means nothing going into the regular season. Now if they are getting blown out every game and losing in the 1Q of every game and their #1 offense isnt moving the chain? Then you can be concerned. But if the 4th QB of the game throws a pick 6 and they lose by 3, who cares?
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Post by jmike on Aug 14, 2019 10:09:10 GMT -5
I have observed what seems to be a decline in overall quality of play early in the season ever since the pre-season practice time began being reduced and limited. If it doesn't matter, why would this happen? If you are right and their opinion is that it does not matter, does that mean it doesn't matter or could their opinions be incorrect based on the observable results? If I knew that answer I would be working for the NFL committee. It was a logic question....if you could answer it you would likely be unwelcome on the NFL committee.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 10:10:42 GMT -5
Are you saying better teams normally play better in the preseason? Wow... I never would have guessed that! If the Pats go 0-4, Im pretty sure it means nothing going into the regular season. I am not suggesting that. The Lions and Browns going 4-0 and then 0-16 prove that winning in the preseason doesn't make you good. I'm saying bad teams are ok with losing the preseason. The last time the Pats lost a SB they were 1-3 in the preseason.
Again NOT losing is an important thing. It breeds a losing culture. The fact that 1 team in 50+ seasons went 0-4 in the preseason and won the SB should show that.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 10:12:59 GMT -5
But if the 4th QB of the game throws a pick 6 and they lose by 3, who cares? They care. Do you really think no one cares if they lose? You think Bill is like "oh shucks it was our 4th stringer it's ok we lost"? Do you not think Tom Brady would jump for joy if his 4th back up threw a TD pass to win the game in the 4th?
You might not care about it but teams don't want to lose...ever.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 14, 2019 10:13:03 GMT -5
How many times in the run years with Coughlin would the starters and primary backups leave with a 2 score lead and we end losing because our future 9--5ers weren't as good as the other team's future regular work force guys ?
My take Look good,the backups/rookies/youth look like NFL players when they are in there.
Resemble looking like an NFL team that is well coached and can execute with as few mistakes as possible
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 10:14:53 GMT -5
Are you saying better teams normally play better in the preseason? Wow... I never would have guessed that! If the Pats go 0-4, Im pretty sure it means nothing going into the regular season. I am not suggesting that. The Lions and Browns going 4-0 and then 0-16 prove that winning in the preseason doesn't make you good. I'm saying bad teams are ok with losing the preseason. The last time the Pats lost a SB they were 1-3 in the preseason.
Again NOT losing is an important thing. It breeds a losing culture. The fact that 1 team in 50+ seasons went 0-4 in the preseason and won the SB should show that.
Fair enough. But I will never think preseason Ws and Ls matter, at all, in the regular season. Not even for team psyche.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 10:15:32 GMT -5
But if the 4th QB of the game throws a pick 6 and they lose by 3, who cares? They care. Do you really think no one cares if they lose? You think Bill is like "oh shucks it was our 4th stringer it's ok we lost"? Do you not think Tom Brady would jump for joy if his 4th back up threw a TD pass to win the game in the 4th?
You might not care about it but teams don't want to lose...ever.
I dont think it has ANY ramifications in the regular season, no.
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