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Post by dannydimes8 on Aug 20, 2019 6:51:58 GMT -5
At the end of the day these 3 are going to determine how this season goes early and early is going to dictate where this season goes. Our corners are very young. If we leave them hanging big plays and penalties are likely. They need Golden, Hill & Carter to be making QBs uncomfortable. This front office has rebuilt the Oline to the point it looks pretty good heading into 19. The area this front office tore down is the pass rush. Sending JPP, Vernon among other out while also passing on Bradley Chubb and Josh Allen. This D won’t survive without a pass rush. Golden has done it in this scheme and is on a make or break year for his career as he will get adequate time to show what he can do. Carter has all the physical tools, time to transition that to production. Hill was our most promising rookie defender last year. If he can take another step could really have something in him. Pressure creates oil, diamonds, and champions.
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Post by bizcliz on Aug 20, 2019 7:16:47 GMT -5
It's certainly one of the question marks. There's no star in that group - they are relying on:
1) A second year, 3rd round OLB that is being banked on for significant growth
2) A vet who is coming off of a major lower body injury and a very down year (scheme change to be fair)
3) kareem martin
4) A mid round rookie named after a super hero
now granted, Bettch is very multiple on whose blitzing and the big boars up front have to push - but it's not a very sexy OLB crew
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 20, 2019 7:20:24 GMT -5
I think these three will be contributors, but our success isn't reliant on them. I agree, if they improve it'll help. That said we also have Tomlinson and Lawrence..... Martin and Ogletree.....Peppers, Jenkins and Bethea. Combined them with the young players we've added the last two years and we have a solid mix of youth, experience, and potential all over the field.
Personally, I think our DB's are going to be just fine this year. Folks seem to forget Bettcher's defense isn't a typical defense. From everything I read this off-season, his defense isn't reliant on pass rushers. It's more reliant on 3 stout players up front, which we have, and interchangeable players in the back, which we also have. Our DB's are all athletic and can play pretty much anywhere on the field. We can move them around pre-snap to cause confusion, and we can rush them from various spots on the field to cause chaos. While any young group will have hiccups, I see this group causing headaches for opposing offenses early in year 1.
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Post by TEM on Aug 20, 2019 7:46:54 GMT -5
We have no one on our Defense that can be claimed to be a top of the heap Defensive player in the league. Most teams have at least one 1. To tell you the truth I could not even tell you who the best player on this defense is. Maybe Ogletree?
This Defense will come down to this. How inventive the DC is a utilizing the skills of the 11 on the field.
The 3 you mentioned had a combined total of 13 sacks last year, 4 4 and 5.5
All of these guys alone had 13 or more.
Aaron Donald LAR 21 J.J. Watt Hou 16 Chis Jones KC 15 Danielle Hunter MIN 15 Von Miller DEN 15 Myles Garrett CLE 14 Frank Clark SEA 14 Dee Ford KC 14 Chandler Jones ARI 13 Ryan Kerrigan WAS 13 T.J. Watt PIT 13 Khalil Mack CHI 13 Jason Pierre-Paul***** TB 13
Here is the rest of the list of players with double Digit sacks
DeForest Buckner SF 12 Bradley Chubb DEN 12 Cameron Jordan NO 12 Calais Campbell JAX 11 Fletcher Cox PHI 11 Kyler Fackrell GB 11 Demarcus Lawrence DAL11 Jarran Reed SEA 11 Geno Atkins CIN 10 Yannick Ngakoue JAX 10
Here are guys with more then 6
Mario Addison CAR 9 Denico Autry IND 9 Michael Bennett PHI 9 Jadeveon Clowney HOU 9 Justin Houston KC 9 Za'Darius Smith BAL 9 Jonathan Allen WAS 8 Carlos Dunlap CIN 8 Cameron Heyward PIT 8 Sheldon Rankins NO 8 Trey Flowers NE 8 Akiem Hicks CHI 8 Matthew Ioannidis WAS 8 Romeo Okwara**** DET 8 Henry Anderson NYJ 7 Jurrell Casey TEN 7 Jerry Hughes BUF 7 Melvin Ingram LAC 7 Jordan Jenkins NYJ 7 Matt Judon BAL 7 Devon Kennard*** DET 7 Darius Leonard IND 7 Takkarist McKinley ALT 7 Terrell Suggs BAL 7 Olivier Vernon**** CLE 7
We are not even in ball park in individual sack production
I hope it is not be those 3 guys that are counted on to hold the egg basket. It better be all 11 on the field playing at a high level . Because if they "all" don't. It will be a long season.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Aug 20, 2019 7:48:26 GMT -5
I think these three will be contributors, but our success isn't reliant on them. I agree, if they improve it'll help. That said we also have Tomlinson and Lawrence..... Martin and Ogletree.....Peppers, Jenkins and Bethea. Combined them with the young players we've added the last two years and we have a solid mix of youth, experience, and potential all over the field. Personally, I think our DB's are going to be just fine this year. Folks seem to forget Bettcher's defense isn't a typical defense. From everything I read this off-season, his defense isn't reliant on pass rushers. It's more reliant on 3 stout players up front, which we have, and interchangeable players in the back, which we also have. Our DB's are all athletic and can play pretty much anywhere on the field. We can move them around pre-snap to cause confusion, and we can rush them from various spots on the field to cause chaos. While any young group will have hiccups, I see this group causing headaches for opposing offenses early in year 1. Young corners struggle. They’ll flash but the rules are stacked against against them that is an adjustment. If we are not pressuring the QB this D is going to get eaten alive especially early in the year as these kids gain experience.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 20, 2019 8:06:37 GMT -5
We have no one on our Defense that can be claimed to be a top of the heap Defensive player in the league. Most teams have at least one 1. To tell you the truth I could not even tell you who the best player on this defense is. Maybe Ogletree? This Defense will come down to this. How inventive the DC is a utilizing the skills of the 11 on the field. The 3 you mentioned had a combined total of 13 sacks last year, 4 4 and 5.5 All of these guys alone had 13 or more. Aaron Donald LAR 21 J.J. Watt Hou 16 Chis Jones KC 15 Danielle Hunter MIN 15 Von Miller DEN 15 Myles Garrett CLE 14 Frank Clark SEA 14 Dee Ford KC 14 Chandler Jones ARI 13 Ryan Kerrigan WAS 13 T.J. Watt PIT 13 Khalil Mack CHI 13 Jason Pierre-Paul***** TB 13 Here is the rest of the list of players with double Digit sacks DeForest Buckner SF 12 Bradley Chubb DEN 12 Cameron Jordan NO 12 Calais Campbell JAX 11 Fletcher Cox PHI 11 Kyler Fackrell GB 11 Demarcus Lawrence DAL11 Jarran Reed SEA 11 Geno Atkins CIN 10 Yannick Ngakoue JAX 10 Here are guys with more then 6 Mario Addison CAR 9 Denico Autry IND 9 Michael Bennett PHI 9 Jadeveon Clowney HOU 9 Justin Houston KC 9 Za'Darius Smith BAL 9 Jonathan Allen WAS 8 Carlos Dunlap CIN 8 Cameron Heyward PIT 8 Sheldon Rankins NO 8 Trey Flowers NE 8 Akiem Hicks CHI 8 Matthew Ioannidis WAS 8 Romeo Okwara**** DET 8 Henry Anderson NYJ 7 Jurrell Casey TEN 7 Jerry Hughes BUF 7 Melvin Ingram LAC 7 Jordan Jenkins NYJ 7 Matt Judon BAL 7 Devon Kennard*** DET 7 Darius Leonard IND 7 Takkarist McKinley ALT 7 Terrell Suggs BAL 7 Olivier Vernon**** CLE 7 We are not even in ball park in individual sack production I hope it is not be those 3 guys that are counted on to hold the egg basket. It better be all 11 on the field playing at a high level . Because if they "all" don't. It will be a long season. You left out "as of now" This team probably has the youngest and most inexperienced defense in the league. It's the biggest reason we probably are in the 6-10/ 7-9 range this year,buy at the same time if all goes to plan we watch this unit grow and by the end of the year we have some top players on that side of the ball and they are also growing.
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Post by TEM on Aug 20, 2019 8:10:55 GMT -5
We have no one on our Defense that can be claimed to be a top of the heap Defensive player in the league. Most teams have at least one 1. To tell you the truth I could not even tell you who the best player on this defense is. Maybe Ogletree? This Defense will come down to this. How inventive the DC is a utilizing the skills of the 11 on the field. The 3 you mentioned had a combined total of 13 sacks last year, 4 4 and 5.5 All of these guys alone had 13 or more. Aaron Donald LAR 21 J.J. Watt Hou 16 Chis Jones KC 15 Danielle Hunter MIN 15 Von Miller DEN 15 Myles Garrett CLE 14 Frank Clark SEA 14 Dee Ford KC 14 Chandler Jones ARI 13 Ryan Kerrigan WAS 13 T.J. Watt PIT 13 Khalil Mack CHI 13 Jason Pierre-Paul***** TB 13 Here is the rest of the list of players with double Digit sacks DeForest Buckner SF 12 Bradley Chubb DEN 12 Cameron Jordan NO 12 Calais Campbell JAX 11 Fletcher Cox PHI 11 Kyler Fackrell GB 11 Demarcus Lawrence DAL11 Jarran Reed SEA 11 Geno Atkins CIN 10 Yannick Ngakoue JAX 10 Here are guys with more then 6 Mario Addison CAR 9 Denico Autry IND 9 Michael Bennett PHI 9 Jadeveon Clowney HOU 9 Justin Houston KC 9 Za'Darius Smith BAL 9 Jonathan Allen WAS 8 Carlos Dunlap CIN 8 Cameron Heyward PIT 8 Sheldon Rankins NO 8 Trey Flowers NE 8 Akiem Hicks CHI 8 Matthew Ioannidis WAS 8 Romeo Okwara**** DET 8 Henry Anderson NYJ 7 Jurrell Casey TEN 7 Jerry Hughes BUF 7 Melvin Ingram LAC 7 Jordan Jenkins NYJ 7 Matt Judon BAL 7 Devon Kennard*** DET 7 Darius Leonard IND 7 Takkarist McKinley ALT 7 Terrell Suggs BAL 7 Olivier Vernon**** CLE 7 We are not even in ball park in individual sack production I hope it is not be those 3 guys that are counted on to hold the egg basket. It better be all 11 on the field playing at a high level . Because if they "all" don't. It will be a long season. You left out "as of now" This team probably has the youngest and most inexperienced defense in the league. It's the biggest reason we probably are in the 6-10/ 7-9 range this year,buy at the same time if all goes to plan we watch this unit grow and by the end of the year we have some top players on that side of the ball and they are also growing. Why I believe it will have to come down to Bettcher utilizing the skills of all 11 on the field, and placing them in a position to succeed. If all 11 on the field are not optimally tuned. It is not going to go well.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 20, 2019 8:17:06 GMT -5
You left out "as of now" This team probably has the youngest and most inexperienced defense in the league. It's the biggest reason we probably are in the 6-10/ 7-9 range this year,buy at the same time if all goes to plan we watch this unit grow and by the end of the year we have some top players on that side of the ball and they are also growing. Why I believe it will have to come down to Bettcher utilizing the skills of all 11 on the field, and placing them in a position to succeed. If all 11 on the field are not optimally tuned. It is not going to go well. And unfortunately that's not going to happen right away I think,not because they are bad players but because of inexperience and also now adjusting to reg season NFL game speed..and when they do(I think they eventually gell)Jonee will be our QB .. Also with all that said,from what I've seen in the preseason games this defense could be fantastic in 2020 and among with Jones and the offense finally having the players Shurmer wants next year we will be back Growing pains but the light at the end of the tunnel
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2019 8:21:10 GMT -5
No D does well without a good pass rush/pressure package. The Giants/Betcher will have to exhaust his play book and schemes to keep opposing QBs uncomfortable.
By far the biggest question mark will can they get pressure on 3rd downs. That is key
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Post by TEM on Aug 20, 2019 8:23:13 GMT -5
Why I believe it will have to come down to Bettcher utilizing the skills of all 11 on the field, and placing them in a position to succeed. If all 11 on the field are not optimally tuned. It is not going to go well. And unfortunately that's not going to happen right away I think,not because they are bad players but because of inexperience and also now adjusting to reg season NFL game speed..and when they do(I think they eventually gell)Jonee will be our QB .. Also with all that said,from what I've seen in the preseason games this defense could be fantastic in 2020 and among with Jones and the offense finally having the players Shurmer wants next year we will be back Growing pains but the light at the end of the tunnel I am not convinced The DC can adjust his system to accommodate what he does a not have. In AZ he had double digit sack players to configure his Defensive plays around. I am not sure he can make his system work with sacks by committee. The reason why I see a packed box in his not to distant future.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Aug 20, 2019 10:46:11 GMT -5
We have no one on our Defense that can be claimed to be a top of the heap Defensive player in the league. Most teams have at least one 1. To tell you the truth I could not even tell you who the best player on this defense is. Maybe Ogletree? This Defense will come down to this. How inventive the DC is a utilizing the skills of the 11 on the field. The 3 you mentioned had a combined total of 13 sacks last year, 4 4 and 5.5 All of these guys alone had 13 or more. Aaron Donald LAR 21 J.J. Watt Hou 16 Chis Jones KC 15 Danielle Hunter MIN 15 Von Miller DEN 15 Myles Garrett CLE 14 Frank Clark SEA 14 Dee Ford KC 14 Chandler Jones ARI 13 Ryan Kerrigan WAS 13 T.J. Watt PIT 13 Khalil Mack CHI 13 Jason Pierre-Paul***** TB 13 Here is the rest of the list of players with double Digit sacks DeForest Buckner SF 12 Bradley Chubb DEN 12 Cameron Jordan NO 12 Calais Campbell JAX 11 Fletcher Cox PHI 11 Kyler Fackrell GB 11 Demarcus Lawrence DAL11 Jarran Reed SEA 11 Geno Atkins CIN 10 Yannick Ngakoue JAX 10 Here are guys with more then 6 Mario Addison CAR 9 Denico Autry IND 9 Michael Bennett PHI 9 Jadeveon Clowney HOU 9 Justin Houston KC 9 Za'Darius Smith BAL 9 Jonathan Allen WAS 8 Carlos Dunlap CIN 8 Cameron Heyward PIT 8 Sheldon Rankins NO 8 Trey Flowers NE 8 Akiem Hicks CHI 8 Matthew Ioannidis WAS 8 Romeo Okwara**** DET 8 Henry Anderson NYJ 7 Jurrell Casey TEN 7 Jerry Hughes BUF 7 Melvin Ingram LAC 7 Jordan Jenkins NYJ 7 Matt Judon BAL 7 Devon Kennard*** DET 7 Darius Leonard IND 7 Takkarist McKinley ALT 7 Terrell Suggs BAL 7 Olivier Vernon**** CLE 7 We are not even in ball park in individual sack production I hope it is not be those 3 guys that are counted on to hold the egg basket. It better be all 11 on the field playing at a high level . Because if they "all" don't. It will be a long season. Only 1 of the players you listed with 10 or more sacks made it to the SB. I think our team, as a whole, needs to get to the 40 range to be respectable. Between the new players we've added and a second year in Bettcher's system, I think we'll get there. I think the improved secondary, especially, will make that doable because we should be less vulnerable to quick slant and over the middle passes that saved our opponents on third down in the past - more of those routes will be covered giving us more of a chance to get to the QB on those downs. Roughly a 1/2 sack a game will do it.
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Post by desertash on Aug 20, 2019 11:23:30 GMT -5
Bettcher's blitzing is "exotic", and he likes bringing pressure from the secondary and other odd angles. DLaw up front is a game changer to me, and if he's a 2+ down lineman and stays healthy that's going to disrupt many pockets. That's going to free up lanes for the other guys and I think we're in for feast/famine with this group early. The will make mistakes, missed assignments and such, but also their athleticism will come through on drive stoppers and TOs. I am actually anticipating quite a few more defensive highlights from this group this year.
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Post by desertash on Aug 20, 2019 11:27:56 GMT -5
We have no one on our Defense that can be claimed to be a top of the heap Defensive player in the league. Most teams have at least one 1. To tell you the truth I could not even tell you who the best player on this defense is. Maybe Ogletree? This Defense will come down to this. How inventive the DC is a utilizing the skills of the 11 on the field. The 3 you mentioned had a combined total of 13 sacks last year, 4 4 and 5.5 All of these guys alone had 13 or more. Aaron Donald LAR 21 J.J. Watt Hou 16 Chis Jones KC 15 Danielle Hunter MIN 15 Von Miller DEN 15 Myles Garrett CLE 14 Frank Clark SEA 14 Dee Ford KC 14 Chandler Jones ARI 13 Ryan Kerrigan WAS 13 T.J. Watt PIT 13 Khalil Mack CHI 13 Jason Pierre-Paul***** TB 13 Here is the rest of the list of players with double Digit sacks DeForest Buckner SF 12 Bradley Chubb DEN 12 Cameron Jordan NO 12 Calais Campbell JAX 11 Fletcher Cox PHI 11 Kyler Fackrell GB 11 Demarcus Lawrence DAL11 Jarran Reed SEA 11 Geno Atkins CIN 10 Yannick Ngakoue JAX 10 Here are guys with more then 6 Mario Addison CAR 9 Denico Autry IND 9 Michael Bennett PHI 9 Jadeveon Clowney HOU 9 Justin Houston KC 9 Za'Darius Smith BAL 9 Jonathan Allen WAS 8 Carlos Dunlap CIN 8 Cameron Heyward PIT 8 Sheldon Rankins NO 8 Trey Flowers NE 8 Akiem Hicks CHI 8 Matthew Ioannidis WAS 8 Romeo Okwara**** DET 8 Henry Anderson NYJ 7 Jurrell Casey TEN 7 Jerry Hughes BUF 7 Melvin Ingram LAC 7 Jordan Jenkins NYJ 7 Matt Judon BAL 7 Devon Kennard*** DET 7 Darius Leonard IND 7 Takkarist McKinley ALT 7 Terrell Suggs BAL 7 Olivier Vernon**** CLE 7 We are not even in ball park in individual sack production I hope it is not be those 3 guys that are counted on to hold the egg basket. It better be all 11 on the field playing at a high level . Because if they "all" don't. It will be a long season. Hurts to see only ex-Giants on that list. Kennard, Okwara and JPP.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 11:36:29 GMT -5
I agree, those guys HAVE to at least be pretty good. we have promising corners, but I still worry about our vulnerability up the middle. with all the concern over the trenches and our lines the last couple years, its also extended out to opposing teams making big plays right down our throat of late. Carter and those guys applying more pressure will be critical in giving our young corners a chance
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 20, 2019 11:38:13 GMT -5
Lorenzo Carter has been invisible to me so far but I have to go watch to see if he's getting pressure and setting the edge in the run game. I watched Dexter Lawrence collpase the pocket if he is not double teamed. The guy puts centers on skates and I already see that Belcher is holding back on his blitzes so teams can't plan for it.
If u get Lawrence one on one, then you can send a blitz because he's eating up help blockers so someone will get free. We have to worry about coverage in the middle of the field if we blitz a safety or a LB....That is the concern.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Aug 20, 2019 11:57:24 GMT -5
I don't personally expect this defense to be good at all this season, but I'm sorta OK with that understanding that this is a very young group.
I'll be more looking to see if those three players take the next step into truly productive defensive players. I have high hopes for Carter, he's always very active.
This defense likely needs another offseason before it's ready to really be a force.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Aug 20, 2019 12:02:50 GMT -5
Honestly I think the offense is going to carry this team and unless some of these guys step up we will have to outscore most teams to win games. If we can't generate a pass rush, I think the youth and inexperience will be exposed.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 20, 2019 12:37:51 GMT -5
I don't personally expect this defense to be good at all this season, but I'm sorta OK with that understanding that this is a very young group. I'll be more looking to see if those three players take the next step into truly productive defensive players. I have high hopes for Carter, he's always very active. This defense likely needs another offseason before it's ready to really be a force. 100% same page This is where we can spend a little in FA,plug a hole with a vet ...depending on how these kids develop Maybe a top FS,linebacker..ect.
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Post by hadenough on Aug 20, 2019 14:02:49 GMT -5
I think the defense is a year away. Those guys are nice solid football players...but they all lack true explosiveness to be dynamic players. But yes...the Giants defense will be relying on them...I hope they have great years.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 20, 2019 14:02:50 GMT -5
I am not concerned with what we gave up in the least in JPP and Vernon. Modest production like theirs is easily replaced at a much lower salary.
There will be improved pressure from this group vs last year. The question is will it be enough. I agree it is one of the keys to our success.
PS Wouldn't be surprised to see more pressure from the group up front. It all counts toward something.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 20, 2019 14:27:52 GMT -5
We have no one on our Defense that can be claimed to be a top of the heap Defensive player in the league. Most teams have at least one 1. Seems like a big heap lol.
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Post by allnygin on Aug 20, 2019 14:55:03 GMT -5
At the end of the day these 3 are going to determine how this season goes early and early is going to dictate where this season goes. Our corners are very young. If we leave them hanging big plays and penalties are likely. They need Golden, Hill & Carter to be making QBs uncomfortable. This front office has rebuilt the Oline to the point it looks pretty good heading into 19. The area this front office tore down is the pass rush. Sending JPP, Vernon among other out while also passing on Bradley Chubb and Josh Allen. This D won’t survive without a pass rush. Golden has done it in this scheme and is on a make or break year for his career as he will get adequate time to show what he can do. Carter has all the physical tools, time to transition that to production. Hill was our most promising rookie defender last year. If he can take another step could really have something in him. Pressure creates oil, diamonds, and champions. This regime did not tear down any pass rush, we were among the worst in the league even with JPP and Vernon. We haven't had a pass rush since osi, tuck and stray. Lets be real here. Hoping these guys can start to get the job done.
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Post by Martin on Aug 20, 2019 15:14:30 GMT -5
At the end of the day these 3 are going to determine how this season goes early and early is going to dictate where this season goes. Our corners are very young. If we leave them hanging big plays and penalties are likely. They need Golden, Hill & Carter to be making QBs uncomfortable. This front office has rebuilt the Oline to the point it looks pretty good heading into 19. The area this front office tore down is the pass rush. Sending JPP, Vernon among other out while also passing on Bradley Chubb and Josh Allen. This D won’t survive without a pass rush. Golden has done it in this scheme and is on a make or break year for his career as he will get adequate time to show what he can do. Carter has all the physical tools, time to transition that to production. Hill was our most promising rookie defender last year. If he can take another step could really have something in him. Pressure creates oil, diamonds, and champions. This regime did not tear down any pass rush, we were among the worst in the league even with JPP and Vernon. We haven't had a pass rush since osi, tuck and stray. Lets be real here. Hoping these guys can start to get the job done. TRue. Losing Vernon and JPP was no big deal except for the money they saved which was a big deal.
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 20, 2019 15:25:02 GMT -5
BJ Hill has already made Gettleman look like a genius ....how many 3rd rounders did the old boss get right
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 20, 2019 15:25:56 GMT -5
It’s pretty much a given if our pass rush doesn’t get to the QB our young secondary will get abused on a daily basis. Golden is a question mark, can Carter step it up or is he going to be an average pass rusher at best? Remember at Georgia he wasn’t known to be a standout pass rusher. Is Hill going to contribute more? What is the young rookie Xman going to bring? Asking a lot from a kid who played at a College that never had a NFL player.
I fully expect a lot of growing pains and frustration from this defense. They have a lot to prove that they an be trusted and that they can stop the opponent when it’s needed most.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2019 15:42:57 GMT -5
It’s pretty much a given if our pass rush doesn’t get to the QB our young secondary will get abused on a daily basis. Golden is a question mark, can Carter step it up or is he going to be an average pass rusher at best? Remember at Georgia he wasn’t known to be a standout pass rusher. Is Hill going to contribute more? What is the young rookie Xman going to bring? Asking a lot from a kid who played at a College that never had a NFL player. I fully expect a lot of growing pains and frustration from this defense. They have a lot to prove that they an be trusted and that they can stop the opponent when it’s needed most. at least we have some hope. There is potential there. Should be an exciting season of ups and downs on both sides of the ball but with hopefully some great play to build on
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 20, 2019 16:04:29 GMT -5
I personally think that the pass rush will depend on Lawrence. There is a trend going on in the NFL with pass rush from the DT spot either getting to the QB or at least taking away the pocket. Even with Vernon it was too easy for guys to step up and simply avoid the rush. If Lawrence can shrink that pocket then it'll make the job of every other pass rusher on this team much easier. BJ Hill getting 5.5 sacks last year is a very good sign and I think he can get more this year.
Add in anything that Carter and Golden and Ximines and we could start to look decent. I also think our young secondary will actually be a help in this area. People here seem to be knocking them but they are the best secondary we have fielded in a long time. Peppers isn't Collins (yet) but he is better in coverage, Bethea knows where to be, Jenkins is good and Baker is a stud. Many of these others are very solid too. We will get more coverage sacks this year too.
This is obviously the biggest question mark for the team this year but I think most people will be surprised.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 20, 2019 16:20:54 GMT -5
It’s pretty much a given if our pass rush doesn’t get to the QB our young secondary will get abused on a daily basis. Golden is a question mark, can Carter step it up or is he going to be an average pass rusher at best? Remember at Georgia he wasn’t known to be a standout pass rusher. Is Hill going to contribute more? What is the young rookie Xman going to bring? Asking a lot from a kid who played at a College that never had a NFL player. I fully expect a lot of growing pains and frustration from this defense. They have a lot to prove that they an be trusted and that they can stop the opponent when it’s needed most. Let me ask you (and when I mean you I mean everyone,I just happen to be quoting you) Does anyone actually expect the pass rush to be any worse than the previous years? I'd rather give all the kids (with the 2 plug in stop gaps Golden and Martin)a chance to at the very least improve on our pass rush and at a fraction of what we were paying others,setting a baseline for our unit and seeing if we need to spend a major resource next offseason
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2019 16:46:19 GMT -5
It’s pretty much a given if our pass rush doesn’t get to the QB our young secondary will get abused on a daily basis. Golden is a question mark, can Carter step it up or is he going to be an average pass rusher at best? Remember at Georgia he wasn’t known to be a standout pass rusher. Is Hill going to contribute more? What is the young rookie Xman going to bring? Asking a lot from a kid who played at a College that never had a NFL player. I fully expect a lot of growing pains and frustration from this defense. They have a lot to prove that they an be trusted and that they can stop the opponent when it’s needed most. Let me ask you (and when I mean you I mean everyone,I just happen to be quoting you) Does anyone actually expect the pass rush to be any worse than the previous years? I'd rather give all the kids (with the 2 plug in stop gaps Golden and Martin)a chance to at the very least improve on our pass rush and at a fraction of what we were paying others,setting a baseline for our unit and seeing if we need to spend a major resource next offseason Martin is not a sack type player really so not much expected from him in that regard. Golden on the other hand can be more than a stop gap player. He is only 28 and "was" having a very decent career prior to the injury. Obviously it would be huge if he could get back to where he was
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 20, 2019 17:04:08 GMT -5
It’s pretty much a given if our pass rush doesn’t get to the QB our young secondary will get abused on a daily basis. Golden is a question mark, can Carter step it up or is he going to be an average pass rusher at best? Remember at Georgia he wasn’t known to be a standout pass rusher. Is Hill going to contribute more? What is the young rookie Xman going to bring? Asking a lot from a kid who played at a College that never had a NFL player. I fully expect a lot of growing pains and frustration from this defense. They have a lot to prove that they an be trusted and that they can stop the opponent when it’s needed most. Let me ask you (and when I mean you I mean everyone,I just happen to be quoting you) Does anyone actually expect the pass rush to be any worse than the previous years? I'd rather give all the kids (with the 2 plug in stop gaps Golden and Martin)a chance to at the very least improve on our pass rush and at a fraction of what we were paying others,setting a baseline for our unit and seeing if we need to spend a major resource next offseason I think they will be mediocre at best. At the end of the day talent trumps all, and we don’t have the horses to say for a fact right now they will be improved. Next year they better invest heavily in improving the pass rush. We won two titles in ‘07,’11 with guys who can get after the QB.
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