desertash
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Post by desertash on Sept 8, 2019 22:16:35 GMT -5
yeah...not remotely what happened there let's crawl inside Eli's head on the "toast" play
just manufacture anything there...good job
This defense is trash and Eli has to be carried by good players not the other way around. Maybe your still living in 2011 open your eyes and stop being another blind homer we leave that for Dallas fans. more made up shit I see you're good at this
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tcseacliff
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...A closd mouth, gathers no feet!"
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Post by tcseacliff on Sept 8, 2019 22:25:24 GMT -5
It was not the offense, it was the defense. I don't know how they can improve that. Understood, even if it's the case...and we're 0-4 then start the Daniel Jones era. can't put Jones in like that until they fix his protection. he may be better than E at the moment , but he will get hurt . Eli knows how to not get hurt,not sure how he does it it! , but fix things a little first!!
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tcseacliff
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Post by tcseacliff on Sept 8, 2019 22:26:05 GMT -5
At least we are NOT the Doll-fans!!
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desertash
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The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane. - Mark Twain
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Post by desertash on Sept 8, 2019 22:33:59 GMT -5
Understood, even if it's the case...and we're 0-4 then start the Daniel Jones era. can't put Jones in like that until they fix his protection. he may be better than E at the moment , but he will get hurt . Eli knows how to not get hurt,not sure how he does it it! , but fix things a little first!! the protection was better than it's been in years, they will get better (if healthy) and Jones won't be waiting around for other improvements
protection of Jones is not a reason (not an issue), get him in if we're 0-4
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Post by cruzsoldier on Sept 9, 2019 5:43:59 GMT -5
They killed a few drives today, so they did absolutely participate. 8-25 I’ll worry about the refs when this team doesn’t suck Did you say 8-25... Dave Gettleman: That’s a mirage Eli has years left don’t look at the record...lol!
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Jaydub
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Post by Jaydub on Sept 9, 2019 5:48:03 GMT -5
Understood, even if it's the case...and we're 0-4 then start the Daniel Jones era. can't put Jones in like that until they fix his protection. he may be better than E at the moment , but he will get hurt . Eli knows how to not get hurt,not sure how he does it it! , but fix things a little first!! Can’t hit a QB who takes an intentional dive under pressure, throws the ball intentionally into the turf under pressure, or trips over his own feet trying to run away from pressure. That’s how Eli doesn’t get hurt. Pretty common knowledge. Can’t wait for perfect conditions to throw Jones in, he’s got to take his lumps and we’ll see how he adapts.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Sept 9, 2019 5:54:49 GMT -5
Pat Shurmur can not be fired soon enough for me. Mara can not hire a Good HC for his life. Well Mara surrounded himself with 2 yes men in Gettleman and Shurmur. This team has been awful and this regime is just like another in he White House trying to make everyone believe that everything is great but the truth is that it’s a train wreck. Let’s see Gettleman try to blame Odell for this season with his culture excuses. If you have on paper the second easiest schedule in the league and you still suck Gettleman you should be fired but obviously you can play the “developing Jones card” for another year to save your job.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Sept 9, 2019 6:00:54 GMT -5
oh Christ, here we go again...blaming the O for the defense's issues no doubt the D was the primary reason for this loss, it was invisible
The offense will improve.
Appeals to a mythical deity will not validate your position. Your statement that 'The offense will improve' is wishful thinking as well. Obviously the team is lacking in both phases of the game.. which one will improve first is anyone's guess. It’s people like this is why Eli is still at Quarterback. He didn’t do anything to help win the game it’s like they cater the offense to make sure Eli doesn’t screw it up. This game wasn’t Eli’s fault the defense was terrible but Eli didn’t do anything that was great besides the first drive after that he compiled his usual garbage time stats.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 9, 2019 7:30:49 GMT -5
hope is not a strategy....
the O was lame The D was pitiful
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2019 9:23:03 GMT -5
Understood, even if it's the case...and we're 0-4 then start the Daniel Jones era. can't put Jones in like that until they fix his protection. he may be better than E at the moment , but he will get hurt . Eli knows how to not get hurt,not sure how he does it it! , but fix things a little first!! The OL had no issue yesterday they ran it and pass protected well.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2019 9:33:54 GMT -5
Lol, the won't play Jones even in this beatdown because they don't want to read about a QB controversy. Thia is what i dislike about this franchise, and i almost boycotted the season. They always are loyal to a fault, if they weren't this ship would be in their 5th year of the their rebuild because Reese and Ross would have been canned along with TC and we would be ahead of the game and maybe even in better cap shape since Mara as a loyal man, gave JR an open 200 mil check and another top ten pick to squander, can't cry over spilled milk, as far as DG goes he has been here 18 months cleaning up 7-8 year debacle so you want to complain about missed assignments bad play calls go right ahead but it's way to early to be blaming the current front office for doing the best they can to fix the debacle they were left with.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2019 9:38:33 GMT -5
hope is not a strategy.... the O was lame The D was pitiful 0-1 They played a finished product yesterday the cowboys have been working on this roster for 7-8 years, I remember when people rooting for the boys were thinking Lawrence was gonna bust it took them 3 years to get solid production out of him and same with B Jones, draft picks need to develop the Giants have a rookie class and another class with 1 year experience patience is needed.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2019 9:42:18 GMT -5
The best one is with this group their are three four members who only come in after a bad loss or a bad Eli game to bash either DG or Eli just saying there is more to all of it and it isn't gonna be an easy fix, we are all concerned with whether they can get it turned around think they can but turning a gutted team around is like turning an ocean liner around it takes time.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2019 9:48:24 GMT -5
I hope someone shows the all-22 - I really want to know what is going on off-screen. A lot of passes were thrown short, right away, so I wonder if by design or Eli just not letting a play develop. That said, the defense is really the problem here. That said x2, Dallas does have a very good team this year and we, at best, are still coming together. This group is gonna have a lot of growing pains on defense a team with 4 or 5 good solid weapons was not a good place for a young inexperienced team to start, That said if they have what it takes they will grow and learn from it and get better as the year goes on, took Dallas a long time to get to this point hats off to hem don't likem but they are a good young team they did it right they aren's wasting money on mercenary's they are paying their own.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 9, 2019 9:50:23 GMT -5
hope is not a strategy.... the O was lame The D was pitiful 0-1 They played a finished product yesterday the cowboys have been working on this roster for 7-8 years, I remember when people rooting for the boys were thinking Lawrence was gonna bust it took them 3 years to get solid production out of him and same with B Jones, draft picks need to develop the Giants have a rookie class and another class with 1 year experience patience is needed. I get that but they still stunk it up....
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 9, 2019 10:13:19 GMT -5
They played a finished product yesterday the cowboys have been working on this roster for 7-8 years, I remember when people rooting for the boys were thinking Lawrence was gonna bust it took them 3 years to get solid production out of him and same with B Jones, draft picks need to develop the Giants have a rookie class and another class with 1 year experience patience is needed. I get that but they still stunk it up.... I was expecting bad play from the defense and the offense to struggle against fast physical defense but 1 stop in the first 6 drives was in excusable 5TDs and these were not short drives the special teams actually played well and kept them pinned, so the positives were special teams who would ever think, and OL if the defense could have gotten off the field and gave the offense the ball back think Barkely could of had 200 and change and Engram is showing that 3rd year jump since last year he was hurt, it will only get harder from here tho teams are gonna gang up on Barkly and Engram can the rest make them pay, most defenses won't be as good as the Dallas or the Bills for that matter.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2019 10:37:49 GMT -5
Last year I was blaming Eli for a lot of the short comings more than the defense despite the D playing like shit, ut last night, the defense was pathetic. Eli still looked bad, but had some good throws too. Still think we need DJ to play but we aren't winning with this defense. Reminded me of the start of the 2007 season. That first 2 games were were amazingly bad on defense. Historically bad. Like yesterday. ****ing Jason Wittens old slow white ass scored another TD on us. WTF! How? Where is Peppers?
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Post by slyfoxx on Sept 9, 2019 13:08:02 GMT -5
First & goal on the 4 and you're facing arguably the best RB in the league. Pretty easy to get sold on the run. Witten didn't do anything yesterday that he hasn't done his whole career. Show up everyday with a PB&J and Thermos of milk in his lunchbox. Never shouts "look at me." So teams tend to forget he's there until the chains move or 6 more points go on the board.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 14:20:34 GMT -5
Last year I was blaming Eli for a lot of the short comings more than the defense despite the D playing like shit, ut last night, the defense was pathetic. Eli still looked bad, but had some good throws too. Still think we need DJ to play but we aren't winning with this defense. Reminded me of the start of the 2007 season. That first 2 games were were amazingly bad on defense. Historically bad. Like yesterday. ****ing Jason Wittens old slow white ass scored another TD on us. WTF! How? Where is Peppers? The O looked good on paper but it was still horrible on third downs, only converting 3.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Sept 9, 2019 14:42:35 GMT -5
****ing Jason Wittens old slow white ass scored another TD on us. Is it cool to be racist on this board? Imagine if someone said something like "old slow thinking (place your demeaning racial personage here) dumbass self !!!!! asking for a friend
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Sept 9, 2019 15:05:54 GMT -5
Last year I was blaming Eli for a lot of the short comings more than the defense despite the D playing like shit, ut last night, the defense was pathetic. Eli still looked bad, but had some good throws too. Still think we need DJ to play but we aren't winning with this defense. Reminded me of the start of the 2007 season. That first 2 games were were amazingly bad on defense. Historically bad. Like yesterday. ****ing Jason Wittens old slow white ass scored another TD on us. WTF! How? Where is Peppers? The O looked good on paper but it was still horrible on third downs, only converting 3. Enemy analysis: The NY offense is OK and might could be good. Eli is the weakness because he has become panicky in tight situations. He actually looked better yesterday than usual the last 3 or so years. Don't think DJ is going to be the answer either, hell, he fumbled on Van der Esch's butt. And the Giant play calling is dumb and has been since TC left. No continuity and failing to use the team's assets best ... mainly SB. I know stupid vs strong play calling pretty well having just weathered multiple seasons under Scott Linehan. You might add unimaginative offensive schemes to Linehan's MO. Same with your Giants. Dallas used lots of motion and play action yesterday and it had the NY D on its heels most of the day. This won't work against a coach like Belicheat but it worked well yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 15:07:57 GMT -5
The O looked good on paper but it was still horrible on third downs, only converting 3. Enemy analysis: The NY offense is OK and might could be good. Eli is the weakness because he has become panicky in tight situations. He actually looked better yesterday than usual the last 3 or so years. Don't think DJ is going to be the answer either And the Giant play calling is dumb and has been since TC left. No continuity and failing to use the team's assets best ... mainly SB. I know stupid vs strong play calling pretty well having just weathered multiple seasons under Scott Linehan. You might add unimaginative offensive schemes to Linehan's MO. Same with your Giants. Dallas used lots of motion and play action yesterday and it had the NY D on its heels most of the day. This won't work against a coach like Belicheat but it worked well yesterday. if he looked better, explain the third down conversion rate despite an improved Oline?
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Post by Nite on Sept 9, 2019 15:09:27 GMT -5
****ing Jason Wittens old slow white ass scored another TD on us. Is it cool to be racist on this board? Imagine if someone said something like "old slow thinking (place your demeaning racial personage here) dumbass self !!!!! asking for a friend A certain segment of the fan base here on this board and outside, its cool...
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Post by Waybackfan on Sept 9, 2019 15:48:55 GMT -5
Jason Witten ran a 4.65 40 out of college. Not too shabby at 6'6" and 260. That's a better time than Josh Norman ran at the combine (4.66).
I wonder what he runs now?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 15:50:01 GMT -5
Jason Witten ran a 4.65 40 out of college. Not too shabby at 6'6" and 260. That's a better time than Josh Norman ran at the combine (4.66).
I wonder what he runs now?
though he is now 50 and still killed us.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 9, 2019 15:54:41 GMT -5
****ing Jason Wittens old slow white ass scored another TD on us. Is it cool to be racist on this board? Imagine if someone said something like "old slow thinking (place your demeaning racial personage here) dumbass self !!!!! asking for a friend Really? Triggered that easy huh? I said nothing but facts
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Sept 9, 2019 17:49:16 GMT -5
Enemy analysis: The NY offense is OK and might could be good. Eli is the weakness because he has become panicky in tight situations. He actually looked better yesterday than usual the last 3 or so years. Don't think DJ is going to be the answer either And the Giant play calling is dumb and has been since TC left. No continuity and failing to use the team's assets best ... mainly SB. I know stupid vs strong play calling pretty well having just weathered multiple seasons under Scott Linehan. You might add unimaginative offensive schemes to Linehan's MO. Same with your Giants. Dallas used lots of motion and play action yesterday and it had the NY D on its heels most of the day. This won't work against a coach like Belicheat but it worked well yesterday. if he looked better, explain the third down conversion rate despite an improved Oline? looked better on 1st and 2nd down ????? Looking better can mean his passes looked crisper and he pushed the ball further down field vs dinking and dumping. Is that a good enough explanation? "Looking better" does not necessarily mean "looking good". Agree that the NYG seem to have a much more functional OL.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Sept 9, 2019 17:57:05 GMT -5
Is it cool to be racist on this board? Imagine if someone said something like "old slow thinking (place your demeaning racial personage here) dumbass self !!!!! asking for a friend Really? Triggered that easy huh? I said nothing but facts Naw, not triggered. Observation that double standards suck and people that use them are generally weak minded and of poor character. YMMV ! Not uncommon in today's society tho. But if it's cool on the board here ... !!
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 9, 2019 18:33:33 GMT -5
Understood, even if it's the case...and we're 0-4 then start the Daniel Jones era. can't put Jones in like that until they fix his protection. he may be better than E at the moment , but he will get hurt . Eli knows how to not get hurt,not sure how he does it it! , but fix things a little first!! "Can't put DJ in till they fix his protection"??? Are you freaking joking? This is the best OL we've had since probably 08"! News flash bubba, the closest & best OL is probably Dallas or & Philly. By your way of thinking, DJ won't start till 2022. Throw DJ to the wolves & let's see how he does under pressure & during adversity. Not when conditions are "perfect" for him. What kind "baby coddling caca" is that? "Fix his protection? Pfffft!
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giantsalmon
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Post by giantsalmon on Sept 9, 2019 18:55:09 GMT -5
I'm still very disturbed that the NYG brain trust actually thought #30 could play. Not only was he burned early and often, but his tackle attempts brought back horrible reminders of Curtis Riley. HOW does this happen? With zero pass rush the weakest link will be exposed and humiliated.
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