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Post by spaceweather on Aug 11, 2018 10:50:01 GMT -5
Yeah I know but even a swing pass or something would've been nice to see. He has done it well in camp, just me being greedy I am aware it is preseason. I'm just hoping that they execute better whatever plays they decide to call starting next Friday... That is a very fair wish lol
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 11:51:34 GMT -5
Judging anything from one preseason game is like reading a headline and knowing the whole story. Can’t be done.... We have seen a glimpse. That’s about it I agree, but wouldnt you feel better if our guys looked like the Browns though? If Eli was 5-5 99yards and a TD and Webb or Lauletta was 12-20 for 200+ yards and 2 TDs? And looked as good as they did? They’d need to be playing against the Giants defense for that.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 11, 2018 11:53:05 GMT -5
I agree, but wouldnt you feel better if our guys looked like the Browns though? If Eli was 5-5 99yards and a TD and Webb or Lauletta was 12-20 for 200+ yards and 2 TDs? And looked as good as they did? They’d need to be playing against the Giants defense for that. this makes me sad...
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 11:59:23 GMT -5
I think they didn't believe in him for what ever reason but yes a QB would probably been the better choice, think they liked Mayfield but unfortunately so did Cleveland,my hope is as I have been saying that if they can go back look at tape and improve through out the preseason that would be something different, they are running 2 new systems lots of new faces.
Actually, I agree with you as well that we should have traded down for more picks if they didn't like the rest of the QB's.
And while I know it's going to sound ridiculous saying this now after one preseason game, but I just do not see us winning with Eli any longer.
I agree they should have traded down if the deal was there, but we do not know whether it was. That said, I don’t feel they won’t win because of the QB, I feel they won’t win because this team is still needs way too much before it will very good again.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 12:04:39 GMT -5
Actually, I agree with you as well that we should have traded down for more picks if they didn't like the rest of the QB's.
And while I know it's going to sound ridiculous saying this now after one preseason game, but I just do not see us winning with Eli any longer.
Good thing this is your site! Or you would be flamed right now :-) We have needed a new QB for years now. Unless everything is perfect for Eli, it isnt working anymore and everyone else gets the blame. Eli now has a dynamic WR, TE and RB, and improved OL, and what should be a at worst middle of the road defense. And now has a brand new HC who has a QB friendly offense. He has no more excuses, yet some fans will find them if he struggles. Not going QB at #2 in the draft with a few very good QB prospects could be a huge mistake. It certainly could be. Had they drafted one at least then we could console ourselves over the fact that the team needs to be rebuilt completely and we don’t expect to win with a bad team and a developing QB. Yet, for some reason some folks either think or pretend that if you just change the QB variablethe equationchanges completely and we should be winning games. It’s an interesting albeit ludicrous way to look at things but there it is.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 12:06:08 GMT -5
that play where njoku beat alec ogletree for a TD..landon collins was blitzing (leaving the back zone on his side devoid of any help on D) and ogletree was 1 on 1 trying to cover the go/seam route. The browns had the perfect call and execution for the defensive blitz that betcher ran. Would be nice to have a lb who could cover a TE 1 on 1, but that is a big ask in today's NFL. Especially against a former track star like Njoku. Do you guys give ogletree a pass on that? is that one on betcher's blitz heavey scheme and the O calling the perfect counter to the what the D was doing? not a bad call as the O needs to execute perfectly in order to beat that scheme. But if they do, they score. Also the pass rush didn't get home much, even with blitzing. It will be up to Betcher to adjust to the personnel he has to work with. It's preseason so maybe Betcher is trying to see what they can and cannot handle. Perhaps bringing safety blitzes is going to be dangerous. Perhaps we'd rather see the Lbs blitzing. But collins is probably the best blitzer on the team. What say you fellas? Pass rush? What’s that?
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 11, 2018 12:06:23 GMT -5
Actually, I agree with you as well that we should have traded down for more picks if they didn't like the rest of the QB's.
And while I know it's going to sound ridiculous saying this now after one preseason game, but I just do not see us winning with Eli any longer.
I agree they should have traded down if the deal was there, but we do not know whether it was. That said, I don’t feel they won’t win because of the QB, I feel they won’t win because this team is still needs way too much before it will very good again. We need to revisit this 4 games into the season and see if our thoughts change. Preseason is too early to jump to conclusions - which I'm not suggesting you are. I just realize we are all starving to see some well-played football rather than watching them hit rocks along the road.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 12:12:07 GMT -5
They’d need to be playing against the Giants defense for that. this makes me sad... Me too. I’m tired of watching my team get bitch slapped in the trenches. Our O line gets pushed around and gives up pressure and our D line can’t pressure anyone. I expect very little from this team until those deficiencies are addressed. I think it’s a two-three year process.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 12:13:52 GMT -5
I agree they should have traded down if the deal was there, but we do not know whether it was. That said, I don’t feel they won’t win because of the QB, I feel they won’t win because this team is still needs way too much before it will very good again. We need to revisit this 4 games into the season and see if our thoughts change. Preseason is too early to jump to conclusions - which I'm not suggesting you are. I just realize we are all starving to see some well-played football rather than watching them hit rocks along the road. I agree, but I’m less concerned about looking mediocre early (which I think we will) than I am with looking awful after an injury or two reveals the complete lack of depth.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 11, 2018 12:18:45 GMT -5
We need to revisit this 4 games into the season and see if our thoughts change. Preseason is too early to jump to conclusions - which I'm not suggesting you are. I just realize we are all starving to see some well-played football rather than watching them hit rocks along the road. I agree, but I’m less concerned about looking mediocre early (which I think we will) than I am with looking awful after an injury or two reveals the complete lack of depth. And hopefully in a game where Engram, Saquon, and OBJ take more than a combined total of 7 snaps, the offense will look a touch better. Here's to Odell's ankle staying whole this year!!
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 11, 2018 12:32:07 GMT -5
We need to revisit this 4 games into the season and see if our thoughts change. Preseason is too early to jump to conclusions - which I'm not suggesting you are. I just realize we are all starving to see some well-played football rather than watching them hit rocks along the road. I agree, but I’m less concerned about looking mediocre early (which I think we will) than I am with looking awful after an injury or two reveals the complete lack of depth.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 12:34:31 GMT -5
I agree, but I’m less concerned about looking mediocre early (which I think we will) than I am with looking awful after an injury or two reveals the complete lack of depth.
One of the few movies I forced all my kids to sit down and watch with me. “You can’t leave, all the plants will die!”
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 11, 2018 13:14:42 GMT -5
agree think maybe the best option was to stock pile picks, they still did ok in that regard in the top 3rds but they could have done better, they could have traded down and took rosen and added some more assets. Yeah can't sleep on Rosen if he can stay healthy...they are very optimistic about him over there in Arizona... I'm no expert but thought he threw the best ball of all of them, the one thing with him is in the day of mobile QBs he will not win with his feet probably why he might be the best pure passer.
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Post by PennState1 on Aug 11, 2018 14:26:13 GMT -5
We had a full quarter and a half with 3 and outs in the first pre season game last year. We had an O-line that could not do anything but look like clowns. What our line yesterday did in itself looked was a positive step. We have a line that is improved. That is the foundation , the rest will come along. I want to see positives in the running game and the O-line , I witnessed both . Me I don't care if we do not light it up in the pre-season . At the same time I do not want to see the D or the O-lines get man handled. They did not. You win with your fronts . Our looked to be improved. A positive sign for the first game compared to this time last year. Personally I didn't see any O line play worth getting excited about. 1 good running play was it all game. The third string RB looked good in the 2nd half though. And the Browns put a lot of pressure on both Eli and Webb.
Nothing from yesterday was anything but disappointing to me. But it WAS just the first preseason game, so there's that.....that is a familiar argument we always make.
Yes, and Barkley’s big run had nothing to do with the oline. There was no hole on that play, Barkley had to bounce it outside to find light and it was typical Barkley making something big out of nothing.
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