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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 23, 2018 14:47:38 GMT -5
Hey Crush, from my point of view there is only two options. 1 and 3. Option 2 doesn't work for me at all; it is potentially unfair. Do we know - or can we know - what exactly changes once the rule is changed? And can that be reviewed by us before taking the decision? The only way we would know is going by over each players stats and reviewing them or by going over each starting roster for each week in the past. I don't want to downplay the effect as this is potentially 2, 4, 6, 8, maybe 10 points that a team could possibly recover. As a test, I went into the Player List and exposed All Players. I then sorted by Fumbles Total. There are at least 25 players with more than 3 fumbles this year. This is the Top 5: Kirk Cousins, 7 Total - 5 Lost. Russel Wilson, 7 Total - 1 Lost Deshaun Watson, 7 Total - 2 Lost Alex Smith, 6 Total - 1 Lost Dak Prescott, 6 Total - 3 Lost There are also several that have fumbles, but never lost them: Patrick Mahomes, Jared Goff, Case Keenum. Without knowing the impact on the standings, I don't think there is enough information to make this decision. I'm OK with either option 1 or option 3. I am not OK with option 2.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 23, 2018 14:50:54 GMT -5
The only way we would know is going by over each players stats and reviewing them or by going over each starting roster for each week in the past. I don't want to downplay the effect as this is potentially 2, 4, 6, 8, maybe 10 points that a team could possibly recover. As a test, I went into the Player List and exposed All Players. I then sorted by Fumbles Total. There are at least 25 players with more than 3 fumbles this year. This is the Top 5: Kirk Cousins, 7 Total - 5 Lost. Russel Wilson, 7 Total - 1 Lost Deshaun Watson, 7 Total - 2 Lost Alex Smith, 6 Total - 1 Lost Dak Prescott, 6 Total - 3 Lost There are also several that have fumbles, but never lost them: Patrick Mahomes, Jared Goff, Case Keenum. Without knowing the impact on the standings, I don't think there is enough information to make this decision. I'm OK with either option 1 or option 3. I am not OK with option 2. May I ask why #2 is no good. It just corrects the mistake for the rest of the season.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 23, 2018 14:59:21 GMT -5
Without knowing the impact on the standings, I don't think there is enough information to make this decision. I'm OK with either option 1 or option 3. I am not OK with option 2. May I ask why #2 is no good. It just corrects the mistake for the rest of the season. Of course. Firstly, I'm not convinced it's a mistake so much as it is a scoring parameter we just don't like. After this is just FF, the scoring is arbitrary. Secondly, if the league scoring was set this way at the start of the season and it was the same for every owner, changing it halfway without accounting for the impact of that change the past is unfair to the owners (if there are any) that are adversely effected.
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Post by CrushGroove on Oct 23, 2018 16:01:34 GMT -5
Just heard back from yahoo. It is retroactive or it cannot be changed.
That kinda limits our choices.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 23, 2018 16:31:21 GMT -5
Just heard back from yahoo. It is retroactive or it cannot be changed. That kinda limits our choices. So that's option 1 or option 3? I'm OK with either.
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Post by CrushGroove on Oct 23, 2018 16:39:55 GMT -5
Just heard back from yahoo. It is retroactive or it cannot be changed. That kinda limits our choices. So that's option 1 or option 3? I'm OK with either. Yep. So per Yahoo support, we can: 1. Make the change, all scores will be retroactively updated. 2. Keep the scoring as is, resolve next year. So starting a new list: Sarcasman: Either Option Crushgroove: I'd like to make the change.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 16:58:44 GMT -5
So that's option 1 or option 3? I'm OK with either. Yep. So per Yahoo support, we can: 1. Make the change, all scores will be retroactively updated. 2. Keep the scoring as is, resolve next year. So starting a new list: Sarcasman: Either Option Crushgroove: I'd like to make the change. Change
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 23, 2018 17:02:13 GMT -5
So that's option 1 or option 3? I'm OK with either. Yep. So per Yahoo support, we can: 1. Make the change, all scores will be retroactively updated. 2. Keep the scoring as is, resolve next year. So starting a new list: Sarcasman: Either Option Crushgroove: I'd like to make the change. I vote to keep it the same.
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Post by CrushGroove on Oct 23, 2018 17:16:03 GMT -5
Sarcasman: Either Option Crushgroove: I'd like to make the change. Morehead: Keep it the same TE88: Make the Change
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 24, 2018 7:20:56 GMT -5
So that's option 1 or option 3? I'm OK with either. Yep. So per Yahoo support, we can: 1. Make the change, all scores will be retroactively updated. 2. Keep the scoring as is, resolve next year. So starting a new list: Sarcasman: Either Option Crushgroove: I'd like to make the change. You CAN'T make it retroactive. That is ridiculous. Guys who have no risk of losing games they won are fine with it. That's not fair.
The only acceptable option to change it is if you only change it for future games......you can't go back and possibly changing the standings.
So my proposal is that if it doesn't change any records, I'm OK with it. I don't think it will. So I would suggest we make the change and see if anyone's record changes. If it does then we need to change it back.
That isn't fair. And voting really isn't fair because guys are voting their interests. And I don't blame them.
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Post by CrushGroove on Oct 24, 2018 9:52:25 GMT -5
Yep. So per Yahoo support, we can: 1. Make the change, all scores will be retroactively updated. 2. Keep the scoring as is, resolve next year. So starting a new list: Sarcasman: Either Option Crushgroove: I'd like to make the change. You CAN'T make it retroactive. That is ridiculous. Guys who have no risk of losing games they won are fine with it. That's not fair.
The only acceptable option to change it is if you only change it for future games......you can't go back and possibly changing the standings.
So my proposal is that if it doesn't change any records, I'm OK with it. I don't think it will. So I would suggest we make the change and see if anyone's record changes. If it does then we need to change it back.
That isn't fair. And voting really isn't fair because guys are voting their interests. And I don't blame them.
I opened this up to a vote because this effects us all. Additionally, I feel that a healthy dialogue on this issue is appropriate and fair to the league. The scoring issue is a mistake. It was not my intention to have it scored in that manner. This means that all of the past scores are inaccurate to my/our intentions for scoring. This is why retroactively updating makes sense IF we are to make the correction. Yes, this may cause wins/losses to change, but it will be accurate to our intentions. I also agree with you that league members may vote depending on their bias of scoring. We all have our own bias and reasons for voting. Personally, I don't know if it will effect my wins/loses, but I know it was a mistake and an error on my part, which why I believe it should be corrected. If it turns out we don't correct it, then so be it. We live with the mistake. I will listen to league members through the end of the day today. If we don't have 6 votes to change it, the scoring will stay in place through the rest of the season and this issue will be closed for now. I will also nullify my own vote. This leaves 11 members to vote and a majority of 6 votes to change it. We currently have 1 vote to change it, 1 vote to nullify it, and 1 vote that is indifferent.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 24, 2018 10:12:11 GMT -5
So that's option 1 or option 3? I'm OK with either. Yep. So per Yahoo support, we can: 1. Make the change, all scores will be retroactively updated. 2. Keep the scoring as is, resolve next year. So starting a new list: Sarcasman: Either Option Crushgroove: I'd like to make the change. Change it
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Post by CrushGroove on Oct 24, 2018 11:05:31 GMT -5
Sarcasman: Either Option Morehead: Keep it the same TE88: Make the Change Billyray: Make the Change
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Oct 24, 2018 23:10:33 GMT -5
The Toilet Bowl will be played this weekend!
Rosie vs me!!
Who will remain winless after Monday night?? Oh, the anticipation!!!
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Post by CrushGroove on Oct 25, 2018 9:35:27 GMT -5
Scoring for fumbles will remain in place, we did not get the votes to overturn it. This will be corrected for next years scoring.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 25, 2018 9:56:32 GMT -5
Scoring for fumbles will remain in place, we did not get the votes to overturn it. This will be corrected for next years scoring. I guess I better cut Tiki.
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Post by CrushGroove on Oct 25, 2018 10:04:38 GMT -5
Scoring for fumbles will remain in place, we did not get the votes to overturn it. This will be corrected for next years scoring. I guess I better cut Tiki.
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Post by jerseyrattler on Oct 25, 2018 18:05:01 GMT -5
I don't care either way, change it now or in the off season
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Post by PennState1 on Oct 25, 2018 18:33:45 GMT -5
I’d be fine with the majority rules
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Post by CrushGroove on Oct 26, 2018 9:54:15 GMT -5
Of course the Texans blow up the week I'm playing Mike, who has their 3 star players (Fuller, Miller and Hopkins). Going to be brutal to climb over that almost 70 point start
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Oct 28, 2018 19:16:33 GMT -5
Today was my best chance to win a game this season as I was facing another winless team.
Oh well.....
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Post by CrushGroove on Oct 30, 2018 15:25:30 GMT -5
This weeks recaps: Crushgroove hand Stonedkilla fifth consecutive loss, 147.48-130.12 MoreheadThanUGet top Tiddlywinks for fifth straight win in 137.26-114.86 rout Barkley Express come back to knock off Jerseyrattlers for third straight win in 148.56-124.60 rout te88 fall short of predictions, succumb to TCHOF, 115.22-102.20 Rosie defeat BronxBomberBlue, 121.60-102.44 My Shitty Team top BillyRayValentine for third straight win, 114.88-108.64
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 30, 2018 17:22:02 GMT -5
I have 7 players on a bye this week. I think I'm in trouble.
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Post by CrushGroove on Oct 31, 2018 9:42:48 GMT -5
I have 7 players on a bye this week. I think I'm in trouble. Looks like you managed to pull a team together! That's some fine team management.
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 31, 2018 12:57:29 GMT -5
The Toilet Bowl will be played this weekend! Rosie vs me!! Who will remain winless after Monday night?? Oh, the anticipation!!! It was just a matter of time. I had been moving the ball well all season but I just couldn’t get the job done in the red zone.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Oct 31, 2018 16:16:36 GMT -5
The Toilet Bowl will be played this weekend! Rosie vs me!! Who will remain winless after Monday night?? Oh, the anticipation!!! It was just a matter of time. I had been moving the ball well all season but I just couldn’t get the job done in the red zone. I wonder when my time (if at all) will come this season...
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 31, 2018 17:08:57 GMT -5
It was just a matter of time. I had been moving the ball well all season but I just couldn’t get the job done in the red zone. I wonder when my time (if at all) will come this season... I was surprised as hell that I won. Losing Leveon hurt, and I did not like the way I drafted.
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Post by PennState1 on Oct 31, 2018 22:10:37 GMT -5
I have 7 players on a bye this week. I think I'm in trouble. Every time I target a waiver wire player you take him in front of me (4 times now). Way to take advantage of high waiver wire order! That’s quite a bench you have assembled...better than some starting teams!
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Post by PennState1 on Oct 31, 2018 22:20:52 GMT -5
Today was my best chance to win a game this season as I was facing another winless team. Oh well..... Tough season! Unreal given the points you have put up! Virtual celebration when you get your first W!
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 31, 2018 23:13:16 GMT -5
It was just a matter of time. I had been moving the ball well all season but I just couldn’t get the job done in the red zone. I wonder when my time (if at all) will come this season... Look. You're just gonna have to accept the fact that your defense sucks. Maybe hire Spags.
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