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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 20, 2019 15:20:43 GMT -5
DJ has been steadily getting worse every single game. And where are the "The last 2 games he played against a great defense" posters now? Cards are a bad defense. Jones is taking too long to pull the trigger and make a decision. Thats not something that you can always learn without making more errors. Rookie QB, honestly I am not sure what kind of support this coach offers this guy. Thats the other problem. The HC. Our GM has set this franchise back years... If DJ isnt a great QB, we are screwed for a long time.
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Post by bluebuddha on Oct 20, 2019 15:27:09 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, I believe that was Eli’s low point Of his rookie year, vs. the Ravens. Eli improved drastically after that, let’s hope the same happens for Jones. Eli was also running the run and shoot offense with tons of option routes and he had to call out protections. Jones is in a timing offense where he just has to get the ball out in rhythm and the center calls the protection. Eli should suck his first year or so because that was a new O to him. Dj played in a similar system at Duke he should look more comfortable and make quicker decisions.
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Post by mikethenygfan on Oct 20, 2019 15:30:16 GMT -5
On the 2nd to last drive, Saquon was not aware on TWO occasions allowing for both sacks. I don't know if he deserves out right blame, but he was in the area both times snd failed to recognize the threat and make a play. barkley did not play well today and neither did engram.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Oct 20, 2019 15:30:26 GMT -5
I don't blame Daniel Jones, except for that early INT, terrible decision. Otherwise it was mostly drops, holding penalties, and backwards runs.
Golden Tate III was a stud.
I'm not a huge fan of Engram.
The defense, let's leave that for another discussion.
Overall, I still see a winning foundation being laid. Today was a shotty performance, it's a work in progress.
At some point, "progress" needs to show up in the Wins column, and today's game was a great opportunity, but the Giants blew it.
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Post by giantsrock on Oct 20, 2019 15:35:12 GMT -5
This is the type of playcalling that Ben Mcadoo use to call. WHO THE F*CK CALLS A DRAW ON 3RD AND 18!!! Edmonds scored a TD from the NY 20 on a draw play. Play calling is easy if your players execute and hard if they don't.
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Post by southerner on Oct 20, 2019 15:44:48 GMT -5
Rookie QB, honestly I am not sure what kind of support this coach offers this guy. Thats the other problem. The HC. Our GM has set this franchise back years... If DJ isnt a great QB, we are screwed for a long time. Stop with the knee jerk nonsense. Jones is a rookie. He made some good plays and some awful plays....that is what rookies do. He is miles ahead of Eli’s rookie campaign and we see how that worked out.....plus Jones didn’t get a lot of help today, but those are the breaks.
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Post by krappdetector on Oct 20, 2019 15:46:24 GMT -5
Post game conference saw Shurmur stonewalling big time. He moved his hands pointlessly, rubbed his forehead and took secret sighs. Behavior indicates that he is frustrated and feeling despair. He doesn't know whether to shit or go blind at this point. I felt bad for him.
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Post by giantsrock on Oct 20, 2019 15:48:27 GMT -5
That makes zero sense. It's a team sport. It is, but individual mistakes make or break a team. Like calling a draw on 3rd and 18 or letting the kickoff returner come out of the end zone, etc. But then again you would not understand that a team is a strong as its weakest link.lol. Another silly comment. Lots of good teams have had some bad players. Green Bay won a super bowl with Marshall Newhouse as their left tackle.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 20, 2019 15:49:02 GMT -5
Thats the other problem. The HC. Our GM has set this franchise back years... If DJ isnt a great QB, we are screwed for a long time. Stop with the knee jerk nonsense. Jones is a rookie. He made some good plays and some awful plays....that is what rookies do. He is miles ahead of Eli’s rookie campaign and we see how that worked out.....plus Jones didn’t get a lot of help today, but those are the breaks. Enough of the Eli comparisons. They have no reasoning with what’s going on now. Eli’s rookie year was 15 years ago, that was a different league back then. Now it’s all offense and a bunch of penalties. Compare Jones with current rookies and their play in today’s NFL.
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Post by giantsrock on Oct 20, 2019 15:49:28 GMT -5
Shurmur is a moron. HC he is not. OC he stinks. OLINE STINKS every week. This one is on Shurmur. He is a losing coach. Thats on our genius GM. +1
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 20, 2019 15:52:48 GMT -5
Then you need to refresh your recollection and go back and look at Eli’s stats for his first 5 games Stats?! LOL There is more to this game than stats, but you wouldnt know that.... There’s also film review, right? HAHAHA
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Post by giantsforce on Oct 20, 2019 15:53:32 GMT -5
It is, but individual mistakes make or break a team. Like calling a draw on 3rd and 18 or letting the kickoff returner come out of the end zone, etc. But then again you would not understand that a team is a strong as its weakest link.lol. Another silly comment. Lots of good teams have had some bad players. Green Bay won a super bowl with Marshall Newhouse as their left tackle. Aha! Now that is a smart comment! Obviously the other team happened to have more weak links but again that is a concept that eludes you, so do not bother. Just keep defending Shurmur and his 3rd an 18 draw calls that the majority here think it was the most asinine call of the game.
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Post by TGTW92 on Oct 20, 2019 15:55:24 GMT -5
Ok #1 - Early in DJs career, he is a turnover machine just like Eli. That is not good. The good thing is he can drop a dime every here or there like Eli too. #2 - Our OL is trash. 2 years in and DG has not done shit. Maybe its worse. Pathetic. They need to replace Solder to be a good OLine for starts. #3 - Shurmur is not a good HC. Period. No idea what we are trying to do most the time. In 2 years, we could be right back in the same spot, new GM, new HC and new QB search. Dude Gettleman has tried to fix the offensive line though. I thought Hernandez would be way better than he's been. And we all know Soldier has been a rip off. Remmers was a questionable signing too. But he's tried.
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Post by giantsforce on Oct 20, 2019 15:56:30 GMT -5
This is the type of playcalling that Ben Mcadoo use to call. WHO THE F*CK CALLS A DRAW ON 3RD AND 18!!! Edmonds scored a TD from the NY 20 on a draw play. Play calling is easy if your players execute and hard if they don't. Just for your information, in the game thread, I said: "No one calls a successful draw on 3rd and a Mile UNLESS they play against the NY Giants defense."
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Post by desertash on Oct 20, 2019 16:21:56 GMT -5
Ample film evidence today...not disputable. He needs to do far better than looking like he has the last 3 games. Bad even for any rookie.
ample evidence that the oline did him no favors. little to no running game as well. very disputable, he's a rookie. DJ made unforced mental errors today, and the rate of those is increasing...not decreasing
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Post by allnygin on Oct 20, 2019 16:22:15 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, I believe that was Eli’s low point Of his rookie year, vs. the Ravens. Eli improved drastically after that, let’s hope the same happens for Jones. Eli was also running the run and shoot offense with tons of option routes and he had to call out protections. Jones is in a timing offense where he just has to get the ball out in rhythm and the center calls the protection. Eli should suck his first year or so because that was a new O to him. Dj played in a similar system at Duke he should look more comfortable and make quicker decisions. This is actually one of the better posts i've seen all day. Good point about the systems. This is a very QB friendly system, the one Eli was set up with is very difficult to run even as an experienced QB, big difference.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 20, 2019 16:32:40 GMT -5
Look I'm going to say something that maybe some people will agree with and some will think I am an idiot. That's fine, I'm sure a lot of people think I am an idiot, probably some even in my own house lol, so I'm cool with that.
I believe this now and I believed it when we made the draft pick. No..not drafting DJ, drafting SQB with the number two pick. No, I don't think they should have taken a QB either...not then and not now.
I love SQB, he's our best offensive player, by a landslide, sorry DJ included. But if you can watch this sieve of an OL and putrid defense perform like this against that team, and not at least wish we traded back for multiple picks, then maybe I am an island here.
What is the point of having a guy like SQB, and not have a line that can run block for him, or pass block and protect a talented rookie QB? 9 sacks! That kid doesn't have a chance! How about a defense who let, wait what is his name again I can't even remember, Chevy Chase? Run wild on pretty much the same play 3 times.
What is the point of having a SQB if you have a coach who isn't designing enough plays to take advantage of his ability?
This is not a knock on SQB, it's watching now 2 years of his career wasted, probably at least 1-2 more, and watching DJ get buried even when max protect was on and the defense was just rushing 4!
Ok, I am done ranting...need a beer.
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Post by Bigjeep on Oct 20, 2019 16:52:44 GMT -5
Darnold is looking better then Maynard! In Hind site, we could have had Darnold and Josh Allen LB. That and a dime can't buy you a cup of coffee!
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 20, 2019 17:02:09 GMT -5
My fear is this team has so many holes that by the time they are all filled SQB will have 4 years of mileage on him. And our rookie QB is friggin shell shocked.
This team is a mess.
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Post by Bigjeep on Oct 20, 2019 17:08:42 GMT -5
My fear is this team has so many holes that by the time they are all filled SQB will have 10 years of mileage on him. And our rookie QB is friggin shell shocked. This team is a mess. Fixed!
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 20, 2019 17:29:16 GMT -5
Horrible attempt by Saquon to make a block there smh.
Looked like Saquon missed 2 blocks on that drive.
I think he's hurt and frankly probably shouldn't be in there at all. Why risk it?
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 20, 2019 17:35:47 GMT -5
Jones is horrific in the pocket at times, as bad as Eli at his worst. Nothing to do with the Oline? He was sacked 8 times and hit 15 plus times And to think that could have been 6 check downs for no yards, 2 sacks and hit over 20 times.
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Post by babybulls on Oct 20, 2019 17:38:05 GMT -5
At least it didn’t rain while tailgating 🤣
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 20, 2019 17:40:00 GMT -5
Ok #1 - Early in DJs career, he is a turnover machine just like Eli. That is not good. The good thing is he can drop a dime every here or there like Eli too. #2 - Our OL is trash. 2 years in and DG has not done shit. Maybe its worse. Pathetic. They need to replace Solder to be a good OLine for starts. #3 - Shurmur is not a good HC. Period. No idea what we are trying to do most the time. In 2 years, we could be right back in the same spot, new GM, new HC and new QB search. I know you keep hitting this note but I have not read on thing that leads me to believe that Gettleman's career here is tied to Shurmur. I think the GM goes on and picks another HC. I don't think the Giants is holding him to the same standard as the media.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 20, 2019 17:55:54 GMT -5
Ok #1 - Early in DJs career, he is a turnover machine just like Eli. That is not good. The good thing is he can drop a dime every here or there like Eli too. #2 - Our OL is trash. 2 years in and DG has not done shit. Maybe its worse. Pathetic. They need to replace Solder to be a good OLine for starts. #3 - Shurmur is not a good HC. Period. No idea what we are trying to do most the time. In 2 years, we could be right back in the same spot, new GM, new HC and new QB search. I know you keep hitting this note but I have not read on thing that leads me to believe that Gettleman's career here is tied to Shurmur. I think the GM goes on and picks another HC. I don't think the Giants is holding him to the same standard as the media. Not saying it would happen, but it should happen. I felt like Reese should have been shown the door with TC back in the day. Start fresh. I feel like DG hand picked Shurmur though to be his guy. He is setting the team up in Shurmurs shadow. If we let Shurm go, and not DG, it will be another mistake like keeping Reese. DG picked his Godly RB at 2 on a team with a million issues, his highly ridiculed QB pick at 6, his losing and once fired HC to lead the way. If that looks awful by year 3, he needs to go along with Shurm. He ruined the next half decade.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 20, 2019 21:39:29 GMT -5
I know you keep hitting this note but I have not read on thing that leads me to believe that Gettleman's career here is tied to Shurmur. I think the GM goes on and picks another HC. I don't think the Giants is holding him to the same standard as the media. Not saying it would happen, but it should happen. I felt like Reese should have been shown the door with TC back in the day. Start fresh. I feel like DG hand picked Shurmur though to be his guy. He is setting the team up in Shurmurs shadow. If we let Shurm go, and not DG, it will be another mistake like keeping Reese. DG picked his Godly RB at 2 on a team with a million issues, his highly ridiculed QB pick at 6, his losing and once fired HC to lead the way. If that looks awful by year 3, he needs to go along with Shurm. He ruined the next half decade. I agree with you on Reese and Coughlin, should have been a clean sweep. But DG hasn't been here a decade. He's paid to build the team not coach it. I think he will get to pick another coach just like many GMs before him.
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Post by Easy E on Oct 23, 2019 11:45:51 GMT -5
DJ is not processing his reads quickly....looks unsure. Missed hitting Engram early and then missed Barkley on the slant to the left. Too slow in his reads. DJ is not processing his reads quickly....looks unsure. Missed hitting Engram early and then missed Barkley on the slant to the left. Too slow in his reads. Looks like the rookie blues have hit him. He is playing slow. Yeah he is. Sucks because he did not start out playing that way initially. Here is an all 22 look at the play I mentioned.
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