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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 5, 2019 15:55:08 GMT -5
I still think we miss out on all of the bkue chippers
But what if this comes to pass
Both unicorn style type players at their positions
Hmmmm
I know where I'm going
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Nov 5, 2019 16:42:10 GMT -5
Purely from being selfish and what I enjoy watching more, I pick defense. I'd go Chase Young, would be amazing to have this stud destroying people for the next 10 years for us.
Also if we don't get him, very high chance that he ends up playing for the Skins, and I don't want that lol.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 5, 2019 16:44:05 GMT -5
Purely from being selfish and what I enjoy watching more, I pick defense. I'd go Chase Young, would be amazing to have this stud destroying people for the next 10 years for us. Also if we don't get him, very high chance that he ends up playing for the Skins, and I don't want that lol. In which we had better end up with Thomas as the "consolation prize " or we are ****ed |
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Post by JPthePizz on Nov 5, 2019 17:41:39 GMT -5
I love Andrew Thomas.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 5, 2019 20:01:20 GMT -5
Man
It's the ultimate decision
Get the best pass rusher/instant impact player in probably 20 years,
Or draft the best OT to come out since Joe Thomas
The guy who rushes the passer,or the guy who stops the pass rusher
Can you imagine if we get young and the Skins get Thomas or vice a versa
That battle for 10 years.
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Post by giantfromtheoz on Nov 5, 2019 21:41:19 GMT -5
That’s almost impossible to split them.
We have the quarterback, I think we have to do everything we can do protect him and give him time to throw. We also have the best running back in football who can’t average more than 2 yards per carry, so again, we have to do what we can to let him shine. It’s Thomas for me, but heck it’d be so great to have Young, what a good player he is seriously.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 6, 2019 8:02:58 GMT -5
Personally I'd want Chase Young not considering our teams makeup, but when you look at our team, we have a RB and QB who needs help. You cant not get Jones help on the OL or it will destroy him and that will set us back even further. And Saquon obviously needs more help from the OL too.
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Post by lasion2 on Nov 6, 2019 23:57:46 GMT -5
I would take Chase Young. But it wasn’t without some pearl clutching.
It came down to impact. Young could wreck any game if dex, Tomlinson, williams and hill are used in a way to just let them do their jobs.
I echo the “if we don’t get Chase Young, we better get Thomas” thought. The notion of Young lining up over Solder in a skins jersey is...distressing.
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Post by lasion2 on Nov 6, 2019 23:59:34 GMT -5
Man It's the ultimate decision Get the best pass rusher/instant impact player in probably 20 years, Or draft the best OT to come out since Joe Thomas The guy who rushes the passer,or the guy who stops the pass rusher Can you imagine if we get young and the Skins get Thomas or vice a versa That battle for 10 years. Strahan v Runyan |
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Post by cruzsoldier on Nov 7, 2019 1:20:24 GMT -5
I still think we miss out on all of the bkue chippers But what if this comes to pass Both unicorn style type players at their positions Hmmmm I know where I'm going We need 2 offensive tackles and we know how Jones is just like Eli a turnover machine. I think you can’t go wrong with either but most will lean towards keep Jones healthy and getting a blue chip offensive lineman. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 7, 2019 9:24:05 GMT -5
I would take Chase Young. But it wasn’t without some pearl clutching. It came down to impact. Young could wreck any game if dex, Tomlinson, williams and hill are used in a way to just let them do their jobs. I echo the “if we don’t get Chase Young, we better get Thomas” thought. The notion of Young lining up over Solder in a skins jersey is...distressing. That's why I also lean toward Young as well. Examples of a player like this having an instant impact on that side of the ball so much it elevated the team to a playoff team LT in 1981 Mack with the Bears Bosa with the 49ers(along with Garapolo) Will make everone on that young defense better This is why you sign a Conklin long term..shore up one tackle spot.in case Young is available The rest of the draft then you go offense (o line and WR for Jones) But you can make ths case Jones now has probably a top 5 tackle day one with Thomas and a dominant o line possibly Daym.... |
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Post by wtfjjk on Nov 7, 2019 9:29:41 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we have some really weak teams coming up on our schedule. I don't think we get to draft either one, might not even be able to to draft the second best OT or edge/DE if we beat the Jets, Skins, Dolphins, all realistically winnable games.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 7, 2019 10:02:05 GMT -5
I agree their both gone by time we pick. You can't make a bad choice here. We need both desperately. Disregarding FA and just going by what I feel would be a bigger need I'd go Chase Young.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 7, 2019 12:27:11 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we have some really weak teams coming up on our schedule. I don't think we get to draft either one, might not even be able to to draft the second best OT or edge/DE if we beat the Jets, Skins, Dolphins, all realistically winnable games. The 2ne Best pass rusher or 2nd best OT would be a bad reach where we are picking. Best case scenario is Jeudy is there and a QB and we trade back to the early teens and get at least one more day 2 pick and take Lamb,because from what I see the drop off to the 2nd best at both positions isnt much better than day 2 picks anyway,and getting an instant day one impact player at another need helps the team quicker.(teams would probably trade up for Jeudy,both Atlanta and Buffalo have traded up for dynamic number 1 type recievers recently) |
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 7, 2019 12:30:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately, we have some really weak teams coming up on our schedule. I don't think we get to draft either one, might not even be able to to draft the second best OT or edge/DE if we beat the Jets, Skins, Dolphins, all realistically winnable games. The 2ne Best pass rusher or 2nd best OT would be a bad reach where we are picking. Best case scenario is Jeudy is there and a QB and we trade back to the early teens and get at least one more day 2 pick and take Lamb,because from what I see the drop off to the 2nd best at both positions isnt much better than day 2 picks anyway,and getting an instant day one impact player at another need helps the team quicker.(teams would probably trade up for Jeudy,both Atlanta and Buffalo have traded up for dynamic number 1 type recievers recently) We have so many holes ... DG really needs to consider trade back scenarios to accumulate picks |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 7, 2019 12:34:51 GMT -5
The 2ne Best pass rusher or 2nd best OT would be a bad reach where we are picking. Best case scenario is Jeudy is there and a QB and we trade back to the early teens and get at least one more day 2 pick and take Lamb,because from what I see the drop off to the 2nd best at both positions isnt much better than day 2 picks anyway,and getting an instant day one impact player at another need helps the team quicker.(teams would probably trade up for Jeudy,both Atlanta and Buffalo have traded up for dynamic number 1 type recievers recently) We have so many holes ... DG really needs to consider trade back scenarios to accumulate picks We likely miss out on these 2 so that would really be the best case scenario to be honest. The only way I'm disconnecting the phone the day of the draft is if we are guarenteed one of these 2. |
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Post by giants8493 on Nov 7, 2019 14:40:12 GMT -5
The 2ne Best pass rusher or 2nd best OT would be a bad reach where we are picking. Best case scenario is Jeudy is there and a QB and we trade back to the early teens and get at least one more day 2 pick and take Lamb,because from what I see the drop off to the 2nd best at both positions isnt much better than day 2 picks anyway,and getting an instant day one impact player at another need helps the team quicker.(teams would probably trade up for Jeudy,both Atlanta and Buffalo have traded up for dynamic number 1 type recievers recently) We have so many holes ... DG really needs to consider trade back scenarios to accumulate picks Especially with no third! |
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Post by lasion2 on Nov 7, 2019 14:42:10 GMT -5
A Presumed 3rd round comp pick is coming for LC
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Post by Kase1 on Nov 7, 2019 20:45:20 GMT -5
Id be totally fine with either, or even Jeudy or Delpit at this point in time.
If i had to choose 1, its Thomas, we have a young QB and a young RB who would greatly benefit from having someone like Thomas leading the way. He is the most complete OT prospect to come out in A LONG TIME
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 7, 2019 22:01:09 GMT -5
Id be totally fine with either, or even Jeudy or Delpit at this point in time. If i had to choose 1, its Thomas, we have a young QB and a young RB who would greatly benefit from having someone like Thomas leading the way. He is the most complete OT prospect to come out in A LONG TIME I like Delpit too,but if he is taken and either Young or Thomas are there for us I will join the pitchfork and torch mob that will form the second his name is called. |
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Post by cruzsoldier on Nov 7, 2019 22:21:18 GMT -5
I would take Chase Young. But it wasn’t without some pearl clutching. It came down to impact. Young could wreck any game if dex, Tomlinson, williams and hill are used in a way to just let them do their jobs. I echo the “if we don’t get Chase Young, we better get Thomas” thought. The notion of Young lining up over Solder in a skins jersey is...distressing. That's why I also lean toward Young as well. Examples of a player like this having an instant impact on that side of the ball so much it elevated the team to a playoff team LT in 1981 Mack with the Bears Bosa with the 49ers(along with Garapolo) Will make everone on that young defense better This is why you sign a Conklin long term..shore up one tackle spot.in case Young is available The rest of the draft then you go offense (o line and WR for Jones) But you can make ths case Jones now has probably a top 5 tackle day one with Thomas and a dominant o line possibly Daym.... I like Young too but I think with Jones poor internal clock if we don’t get a bonafide LT he’s going to end up getting killed. History should teach us a lesson let’s not make the same mistake we made with Eli. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 8, 2019 16:40:48 GMT -5
That's why I also lean toward Young as well. Examples of a player like this having an instant impact on that side of the ball so much it elevated the team to a playoff team LT in 1981 Mack with the Bears Bosa with the 49ers(along with Garapolo) Will make everone on that young defense better This is why you sign a Conklin long term..shore up one tackle spot.in case Young is available The rest of the draft then you go offense (o line and WR for Jones) But you can make ths case Jones now has probably a top 5 tackle day one with Thomas and a dominant o line possibly Daym.... I like Young too but I think with Jones poor internal clock if we don’t get a bonafide LT he’s going to end up getting killed. History should teach us a lesson let’s not make the same mistake we made with Eli. I do think the clock eventually speeds up as the game slows down for him. Daym I can't make up my mind between the 2 even though Young changes the e true defense by himself and thus the team but Jones having his blind side locked up 10 plus years .. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 21:47:23 GMT -5
If both were available, that would indeed be a tough choice.
Good question,
I believe Chase Young is taken first by most teams if they watch that Badger game. Haha. He is a destruction on defense we have not seen in a while, his speed, first step, hand usage and technique are flawless....
Andrew the nullifier is the IMHO, smarter choice for the Giants situation, with Thomas as the peace maker up front. Add another right tackle of quality, and center...the offensive line is then set for Jones development.
Again, for the Giants, Andrew Jones.
But I sure would enjoy watching Chase Young destroy QB's and blow up backfields.
As Kase says...can't be unhappy if that happened either or.
Like Tony, I would trade back if we had a QB seeking dance partner... if those 2 players are gone.
Another aspect...the year of the pass rusher was last...this is the year of the WR and offensive line...oh yeah, and QB.
Young is the by far, best pass rusher on an average graded class of them. If we took him over Andrew, there will be a few potential 1st round OT talents gotten in the 2nd round....
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Post by lasion2 on Nov 10, 2019 22:41:53 GMT -5
It honest to god looks like we will be in a position for one of them.
Pretty straightforward. If one is gone, take the other without a thought.
If they’re both there? This thread just got legs.
I’m still, tentatively, going with Young. My reasoning is that with a rook at qb. Banged up oline. Bark, Shep, engram all in various forms of walking wounded; the offense is still miles ahead of the defense. Don’t misread me. The offense isn’t good. But 20th is better than the worst defense In the league.
It’s a real tough call. I want to help DJ. I want to see an offense that can dig a hole and put an opponent in it. Franchise LTs, X weapons will be there, too. But, if we were up 10, 12, 14? Coming in to the 4th qtr the last month of games....do you think our record would be any different?
For the record, I’d be happy with Thomas, Young, or Jeudy. Or a trade back if the first two are gone. I’ll also reiterate that if given the option, I think DG goes with the playmaker, regardless of what I think.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 10, 2019 23:47:46 GMT -5
The 2ne Best pass rusher or 2nd best OT would be a bad reach where we are picking. Best case scenario is Jeudy is there and a QB and we trade back to the early teens and get at least one more day 2 pick and take Lamb,because from what I see the drop off to the 2nd best at both positions isnt much better than day 2 picks anyway,and getting an instant day one impact player at another need helps the team quicker.(teams would probably trade up for Jeudy,both Atlanta and Buffalo have traded up for dynamic number 1 type recievers recently) We have so many holes ... DG really needs to consider trade back scenarios to accumulate picks We should have done that 2 years ago. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 11, 2019 0:26:22 GMT -5
It honest to god looks like we will be in a position for one of them. Pretty straightforward. If one is gone, take the other without a thought. If they’re both there? This thread just got legs. I’m still, tentatively, going with Young. My reasoning is that with a rook at qb. Banged up oline. Bark, Shep, engram all in various forms of walking wounded; the offense is still miles ahead of the defense. Don’t misread me. The offense isn’t good. But 20th is better than the worst defense In the league. It’s a real tough call. I want to help DJ. I want to see an offense that can dig a hole and put an opponent in it. Franchise LTs, X weapons will be there, too. But, if we were up 10, 12, 14? Coming in to the 4th qtr the last month of games....do you think our record would be any different? For the record, I’d be happy with Thomas, Young, or Jeudy. Or a trade back if the first two are gone. I’ll also reiterate that if given the option, I think DG goes with the playmaker, regardless of what I think. Yeah if it's a choice Gettleman will trust his scouting depth and his record of finding lots of talent in the middle rounds if Young is there. Also We can get a good RT in FA...so one spot is shored up and I'd prefer to go balls out this next draft to get as much around Jones as possible early Young is an instant one side of the ball gams changer. We get young I'd actually go all offense the rest of the way(line and playmKers) in a BPA way Interestingly I think if only Washington is ahead of us they go offense (and they would be that team to take Jeudy over both of these guys Because Redskins)so there is an extremely good chance we end up with Young |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 8:27:27 GMT -5
We have so many holes ... DG really needs to consider trade back scenarios to accumulate picks We should have done that 2 years ago. Building around a running back at pick 2, in a historically deep class at running back.... lacking the brilliant adjective?  |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 11, 2019 8:44:31 GMT -5
We should have done that 2 years ago. Building around a running back at pick 2, in a historically deep class at running back.... lacking the brilliant adjective? Which means he takes Jeudy in a historically deep WR class this year. Yeah as much as I want to replace what we lost when we traded Odell I'd be throwing shit at whatever media device I will be watching/listening to the draft as. Even if Jeudy is his BPA at a need,trade the **** down and get Lamb and more day 2 assets instead of being obtuse and sit there... |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 11, 2019 9:21:28 GMT -5
Building around a running back at pick 2, in a historically deep class at running back.... lacking the brilliant adjective? Which means he takes Jeudy in a historically deep WR class this year. Yeah as much as I want to replace what we lost when we traded Odell I'd be throwing shit at whatever media device I will be watching/listening to the draft as. Even if Jeudy is his BPA at a need,trade the **** down and get Lamb and more day 2 assets instead of being obtuse and sit there... Jeudy is going to be a monster. A Julio Jones type impactful WR. And it is absolutely embarrassing and frustrating we should not take him if he falls to our lap. If DG takes him, he should be fired on the spot. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 11, 2019 10:04:50 GMT -5
Which means he takes Jeudy in a historically deep WR class this year. Yeah as much as I want to replace what we lost when we traded Odell I'd be throwing shit at whatever media device I will be watching/listening to the draft as. Even if Jeudy is his BPA at a need,trade the **** down and get Lamb and more day 2 assets instead of being obtuse and sit there... Jeudy is going to be a monster. A Julio Jones type impactful WR. And it is absolutely embarrassing and frustrating we should not take him if he falls to our lap. If DG takes him, he should be fired on the spot. I've seen monsters that can be just as good that will be 3rd round values or further back this year. I'm really liking Justin Jefferson the more I see him,similar hight speed big play ability that can be had probably in the 3rd bow that he can show off his skills in a legit modern passing offense and a great qb. A lot of these recievers skillsets I'm seeing translate well to the modern NFl style The guy from SMU looks like a faster version of Hakeem Nick's and he will be there early day 3 The guy aris brought up from UCF. These days it's all about YAC yards and speed,you get a highly accurate qb(which Jones is)that can perfectly place the ball for optimal YAC yards and these guys can step in and be gams changers,as long as they have deep speed to pull safeties back out of the box.. With that said,if we end up outside the young/Thomas zone we have to trade back ... Taking Jeudy when we have the opportunity for a clone of him with Lamb 7-10 picks back and additional day 2 picks to pour a ton of recourses into O line and LB would infuriate me to no end in the way that someone would pour ketchup on a high end steak |
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